Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[KuroganeHammer]

Also note that it's literally impossible for lux to land max range things

if you're lux and doing max range stuff, then you have literally no prescence in lane

also black shield is just broken tbh, I wish we had a morgana everytime I played fiora, it would be glorious.

but yeah, to land lux things you have to be at least mid range.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If your doing stuff from max range it's hard to help bully harass and keep presence in lane, Sona can do this while being fine with engages and if he she is engaged on she can W for a heal + Armor/MR buff and has ult if need be.

Sona really fits what support lux wants to do only better.

 

[Player-3]

note that lux is not a BAD support per se, its like renekton jungle, it works and its okay but its just outclassed, lux support is doable its just hard to validate picking it over practically any other popular support champion in any situation

 

[Z'zgashi]

note that lux is not a BAD support per se, its like renekton jungle, it works and its okay but its just outclassed, lux support is doable its just hard to validate picking it over practically any other popular support champion in any situation

^ This.

 

[Dre89]

Why would my AD get murdered if I sit back? I'd still be contributing damage with my spells. I just don't auto in lane because then she has to get in range to be harassed herself.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Because they blow their load on the AD.
Oh joy you're doing around 150 damage with E at level 3 under the warm comfort of the turret while your ad is trying to farm in the middle of the lane.
Oh goodness, leona stunned your ad and you're still under turret where your snare can't land. Wut do.

Also dre, you're comparing a very good, **** ur CC for 5 seconds ability from a 2/1 second snare that you don't even max as "support" lux, and a CC AOE stun if people do not escape from the slow to a damaging ult that you need to aim during a teamfight to hopefully be able to hit even a single person.

 

[Dre89]

Under my turret? Talk about an exaggeration. I don't see what's wrong with staying at range that a Cait normally would and constantly harassing and keeping enough mana for your bind if something goes wrong. Also note that the Lux's lane, if she's playing well, will have more HP than the enemy lane most of the time due to how much unanswered harass she gets off. I thought that the general answer to all-in lanes was to poke them down enough so that it was too dangerous for tham to engage.

 

[Zano]

I think it's your avi I dislike the most when I see your posts, it's like you're giving yourself an excuse to ignore anyone that disagrees with you, even if they give you clear examples.

I don't know how much clearer they can say it.

 

[Ussi]

That feel your aram team is Soraka, Nidalee, Nami, Morgana, and Veigar

 

[Sinister Slush]

You brought up quite a bit that you'll be at a range far away from the all in supports to harass still. Ult/E is about that range (or Ult is more like middle of inner/outer turret to hit people in middle of both outer turrets from blue/purple side) So yes, under turret to throw E out to hit from the very outside of it and still keep away from harass.

Being that far away just gives the enemy support/AD the idea that you're scared of them so they can just all in your ad instead since they're gonna have to go in for CS eventually.
Cait is of course different, 650 range and an escape, but still possible to hit her out of it. Otherwise she's the 2nd or 3rd safest ad to choose from with Lucian being first. But if we use cait then fine to be far away since she is too, but if it's someone like twitch or sivir it's not ok to be 1000+ range from your ad.

Spoiler

Here's random CDR things, From level 3 when you have all abilities and going 9/0/21 so 10 CDR

Lux Snare Q: 13.5
Morgana snare Q: 9.9

Lux Shield W: 12.6
Morgana Shield E: 20.7

Lux AOE E: 9
Morg AOE W: 9

Now here's a morg/Lux with frostqueen/talisman (20 CDR) and morello or any other items to give 40 CDR level 18

Lux Snare Q: 6.6
Morgana snare Q: 6.6
Now they're the same here, but since I know you'll bring something else up. Morgs binding is 3 seconds long when it hits somebody and 40 more base damage and 20% more AP damage to it (90%)

Lux Shield W: 6
Morgana Shield E: 9
Now Lux's is 3 seconds lower, but let's remember that the morg shield lasts 5 seconds and shields for 175 more, 35% more based off AP and cause of 5 seconds of it lasting essentially 4 seconds while yours is basically 1 second but only shielding incoming damage while morgs is around 400+ AP damage and immunity to all CC and targetted. Another problem with lux, her shield is a skillshot and believe it or not, most lux's miss their teammates quite a bit with it.

Lux AOE E: 6
Morg AOE W: 6
Lux's does more in an instant while morg's is less cause need lower health, but usually combo'd with extremely strong Q so it makes up for it and they get the entire tormented soil damage so more than lux's E when used after a snare.

Lux R: 30
Morg R: 60
So Lux has a long range damaging ult every half minute that she can hopefully land on enemies instead of using it for waveclear cause team losing, while Morgana has an AOE slow and after a few seconds 1.5 stun every minute.

 

[JTB]

morg support is pretty goddamn stupid

i only tolerate it now because ive been playing a lot of karma and she ****s on morg from my experience

 

[Sinister Slush]

I can imagine a karma vs morg lane already.
Pokepokepokepoke
Inspire + tether, Here I come morg better blackshield yourself before you get rooted :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

just kidding lel, Mantra +Q AD for half his health after baiting blackshield :^)

 

[Dre89]

I think it's your avi I dislike the most when I see your posts, it's like you're giving yourself an excuse to ignore anyone that disagrees with you, even if they give you clear examples.

I don't know how much clearer they can say it.

What? I'm not ingoring people, I'm responding to their arguments. I'm doing the same thing as Slush, addressing an argument and responding to it, yet apparently when I do it I always think I'm right and ignore people.

Slush- You don't have to be that far back, you can always be in xp range and harass safely. You just have to harass from a diagonal position, that lets you abuse your range, whilst keeping relatively close to your adc and staying in xp range. I use the bushes a lot too, but that's not always safe so it's situational.

I started playing Janna, just stacking AP after sighstone and FQ, not even getting boots and it's pretty funny. I didn't even complete my build and my shield was giving 120 AD and my ult was healing for 1.5k (full duration). She seems to lack playmaking potential though.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

dre did you read my post about ranked 5s

 

[john!]

http://i.imgur.com/fzJ90Ze.png

there is no justice in this world

 

[KuroganeHammer]

What is that Nidalee doing

 

[john!]

What is that Nidalee doing

looks like she carried herself to plat

 

[Shaya]

Why are people banning twitch?

 

[Sinister Slush]

I honestly do not know.

I think people either forget how he works, or "Oh look, I'm caitlyn and he's twitch. Imma harass him" ENEMY DOUBLE KILL "WTF Y I DIE TO HIM?!"
Seriously, my cs is so low on twitch cause people focus so much on trying to kill me instead of letting me farm in peace.

 

[Shaya]

It's pretty easy to deny cs to twitch, that's for sure. But not many champs can actually out damage him in longer trades.

 

[Dre89]

What do people think about playing supports that have no kill potential. Supports like Janna, Raka, Sona pre6 etc. I'm not sure having hectic peel or sustain really justifies the lack of kill potential.

 

[Life]

What do people think about playing supports that have no kill potential. Supports like Janna, Raka, Sona pre6 etc. I'm not sure having hectic peel or sustain really justifies the lack of kill potential.

Roughly 15-20 CS is a kill goldwise. If you have enough harass that your lane opponents can't farm, your low early kill potential doesn't really matter that much.

My good support repertoire is basically Thresh right now, so I guess I don't play a lot of things where that's a problem? I used to play a lot of Janna but can't get into her lately.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

you're right dre

especially in bronze

there is literally no reason that justifies not playing support fiora

let's look at support fioras pros and cons:

pros:

- lots of poke, plus a weapon that you poke people with! Never again complain about the enemy support poking you down, just max riposte and give their autos right back!

- lots of kill potential! Being pretty much the only champion in the game that excels at smacking people, theres always a chance to all in someone or something and kill it!

- Never lose another ward battle ever again! Because you're fiora, you can duel entire teams! Sona tryin to kill your pink ward? "I long for a worzy opponent". Janna trying to kill your pink ward? "I long for a worzy opponent!" The enemy adc and support killing your pink wards? "I LONG FOR WORZY OPPONENTS!"

- Flexible build, you can build any item you want and still be fabulous since everything synergizes with your kit and your utility.

- extreme utility and peeling potential. I don't even have to say anything about this really. Peel for your carries by simply killing the person who dives on them. Yes, you're Fiora and you can do this.

cons

- tem wil call u troll but dont listen to them, show them the truth of support fiora


Go dre~

I look forward to seeing your results.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why are people banning twitch?

He's picking up popularity and I can see why.

His early game in the right situations is really strong. As an assassin carry, sorry I think he is like this role wise, he is really good at harassing with the right supports. Any support, hi thresh, that can give him the opening can let him do some of the highest 2 man damage in the game early on. And on top of this he scales well into late game.

I don't consider him ban worthy but I see why people are picking him up, I've started focusing on him more recently myself.

 

[Dre89]

Life- I guess that's true. It just sucks when you go from a champ that has good harass and kill potential, to a champ with just harass.

Aero- Trolling aside, I'd get reported/flamed for going Fiora support. I'm 5-2 with her in ranked anyway. She's easy to play and incredibly hard to counter if she gets fed. My combined Fiora and Jax win-rate (the only two carries that I play) is like 66%, because they're easy champs to win with. The main reason why dropped from 95 LP in B1 to B5 was because I stopped playing them and started playing more supportive champions.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Not even trolling Dre :^)

Support Fiora new meta in Bronze.

Fiora is basically the chest of Bronzodia. You MUST pick her if she isn't picked or banned.

 

[Plum]

I just go support Gragas these days. He's been among my favorite champs for a long time and my Gragas experience feels like a waste if I try to take him mid/jungle/top. To me his kit feels lackluster if you want to do any sort of carrying, but man is his kit jammed full of utility now. You can make early plays in lane with E into Q and of course once you have your ult you can start engaging or disengaging fights from a distance. If you're ahead you can become amazing at making plays, and from behind you are fantastic at peeling.

 

[Ussi]

Low kill potenial supports are also better at teamfights generally speaking. Then there is Zyra and Annie.

My main issue is having an adc who doesn't want to fight lol.


For support gragas what is your skill order?

 

[Z'zgashi]

W first cuz the damage is real.

 

[Ussi]

... No adc is gonna let you walk up to him lol

 

[Player-3]

q > w > e

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Support Janna is where it is at for "do not fight at all" supports.

 

[victra♥]

I was skeptical about gragas support but it's great. Going full tank, your kit's utility allows for so much engage/disengage, and spamming w every 8 seconds just gives you so much sustain in lane that I found myself capable of stay in lane forever.

The only problem i've had is mana issues, so i've been getting chalice->crucible quite often on gragas. Also, if you body slam into an Alistar and Ali headbutt's you, you go the full length of e but in the opposite direction.

 

[Plum]

For support gragas what is your skill order?

Generally Q, but occasionally E for level 1 fights for the hard CC and the mobility to get both in and out of an early jungle fight; flash E for the surprise stun out of nowhere is a great way to catch somebody out of position.
E or W at level 2 depends on the lane or if you'll have early jungle pressure. E is fantastic if you want to get aggressive early, E is basically a free Q followup to slow them after the stun wears off. If the lane is passive or the other team is poke heavy I would probably take W for the free regen w/ passive, and the damage reduction will be good if they try to poke.
Prioritize Q>W>E. Thank god they made E's CD flat at all levels so you don't have to put ranks into it anymore. Part of me still wants E to be as low CD as it was, or still getting half CD refunded on hit instead of 3 seconds but that would be way too good with E being a stun now...

Build wise I basically just go full tank. I like to get an early Chalice, and then just whatever tank items I need, and CDR wherever I can get it obviously.

 

[Shaya]

Support Janna is where it is at for "do not fight at all" supports.

Not at all.
Janna is actually all about going IN.

Any passive janna I've ever played with or as is likely to lose lane/game. Any janna I've played with who knows what they're doing? The plays are real and continuous.

Unlike Thresh or Leona where it's blatantly obvious ques (Qs! get it, hurr) from them, Janna requires more partner synergy and has a ramp up for harass/trades that need to be pulled off properly. Janna moving forward and auto attacking the support/ad forces reaction by their team, she's used her shield to tank harass and is now being the red herring for the sneaky ADC play, oh just in time to give the ADC a shield when they've committed to something they realise they cannot win until its too late, KNOCK UP, SLOW, DOUBLE KILL.

 

[Dre89]

What I think Ryu means is that Janna's kit is designed for peeling, specifically for peeling melee. I max Q first for the harass, then E then W. To me it makes sense to makes the spell I use the most, which is Q. I know the conventional wisdom is to max E, but I find that even a rank 1 E, which is still giving around 10 AD and a 90 damage shield is enough to turn a fight for your ADC in the early levels. I get lots of AP anyway so it still has some scaling without ranks.

By the way what do people think of flat AP quints vs scaling AP quints. I've always gone flat because they outperform scaling until level 6, and I don't 27 AP at leve 18 is enough to justify having less strength in the laning phase.

 

[Get Low]

So, is Urgot supposed to be an ADC, or...
I don't know. He seems like an interesting champion that no one ever plays,
but I can't really figure out what his purpose is supposed to be other than being ugly and fat.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

What I think Ryu means is that Janna's kit is designed for peeling, specifically for peeling melee. I max Q first for the harass, then E then W. To me it makes sense to makes the spell I use the most, which is Q. I know the conventional wisdom is to max E, but I find that even a rank 1 E, which is still giving around 10 AD and a 90 damage shield is enough to turn a fight for your ADC in the early levels. I get lots of AP anyway so it still has some scaling without ranks.

By the way what do people think of flat AP quints vs scaling AP quints. I've always gone flat because they outperform scaling until level 6, and I don't 27 AP at leve 18 is enough to justify having less strength in the laning phase.

flat ap, especially on FIORA!

 

[Asdioh]

So, is Urgot supposed to be an ADC, or...
I don't know. He seems like an interesting champion that no one ever plays,
but I can't really figure out what his purpose is supposed to be other than being ugly and fat.

He was good once upon a time in bot lane as basically an anti-adc because he was a lane bully and reduced the target's damage. If you snowballed and won the game fairly quickly he was beast, and he was pretty common in games. Then they nerfed him into crap and haven't touched him. As far as I know (I don't own him) he's somewhat viable top lane if you REALLY wanted to play him for some reason (like being hipster )

 

[Z'zgashi]

Hes still good bot if you have Soraka so she can just continuously dump all her mana into you while you poke the opposing ADC constantly with Q's.