Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Geno Boost]

Since many are currently playing FF7 remake it’s time for a good reminder that once open a time Geno was added to a FF7 mod side quest.

 

[StarLight42]

I was viewing Imran posts yesterday and he says some interesting things (check dates for time context)

Seems to think fan rules don’t mean anything and most of Fighterpass 2 will be First Party

also eyebrow raising how he randomly speculates about Byleth just a few days before the reveal for FP 5

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

I was viewing Imran posts yesterday and he says some interesting things (check dates for time context)

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Seems to think fan rules don’t mean anything and most of Fighterpass 2 will be First Party

also eyebrow raising how he randomly speculates about Byleth just a few days before the reveal for FP 5

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NGL i don't hate Tingle but i would be PISSED if he was the first (or second in this possible case) AT promotion and not Waluigi.

 

[Polarthief]

I disagree on that notion. It's very possible by the time Smash 6 is beign developed/released, there will be more Xenoblade games and the latest will not feature Rex (just like most JRPG franchises, where the main cast is completely new aside from recurring mascot creatures) and will put Rex in the hands of bad timing.

So was Chrom bad timing too? If people want Rex, they'll put him in.

Just look at Gen 3 and 5 Pokémon which were completely skipped entirely

Yeah but Pokemon don't have a "main protag". Even FE has main protags.

and the same could apply to certain FE characters like Erika (whose game came out after Roy and Lyn's games but before Ike's) and Alm and Celica.

Or because they realized adding every single main FE protag would be stupid, even though we have 8 now.

Chrom got lucky because he was an echo, and Rex is simply not Echo material. Hell one could argue Elma already suffered the fate as these characters. Bad timing screwed over Rex, and it will likely the reason for his demise in the next game.

Except Xenoblade has 1 rep and Nintendo seems to want to push it a bigger series than it currently is, so I wouldn't be surprised if Smash 6 added Rex (& Pyra?) and whoever the XC3 rep is, assuming there will be another game by then.

NGL i don't hate Tingle but i would be PISSED if he was the first (or second in this possible case) AT promotion and not Waluigi.

I don't hate him either but I'd be pissed if he was picked over Impa (or a more popular pick), unless they really give him a nice kit, and don't make him look like he does in the N64 Zeldas. Keep him cartoony like he was in his spin-off series (but pull from everything for the kit). Would be so weird to have only the 3 main Zelda reps, we finally get a fourth, and oh it's Tingle.

 

[BigZGaming2015]

I was viewing Imran posts yesterday and he says some interesting things (check dates for time context)

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Seems to think fan rules don’t mean anything and most of Fighterpass 2 will be First Party

also eyebrow raising how he randomly speculates about Byleth just a few days before the reveal for FP 5

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I wouldn't mind if this is the case, their are a lot of Nintendo characters that I would love to get into Fighters Pass 2. I'm still rooting hard for Geno(maybe the only exception when it comes to third party?) and the Waah but I think other first parties like Rex and Bandana Dee could be dope

 

[MattX20]

Unless Imran is leaking actual information, I'd take his words for now as just speculation. I've a hard time believing most of the second fighter pass would be first party, and little to no third party involvement

 

[Enigma735]

Since everyone seemed to have made predictions except for me, I might as well make some predictions too. Just remember, my opinion changes all the time and somedays I feel certain characters are more likely then others, but as of right now, these are who I am betting on:

Challenger Pack 6: ARMS Rep - This is already confirmed, except for who it is exactly. I am of the opinion that this will be a Hero situation where four ARMS characters will be in one slot. Yes, I have played ARMS and yes I know each character has different abilities, but in the grand scheme of things, they all still play very similar to one another. The only four characters I can see working as alts of each other are Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, and Min Min. SM and RG make sense since they are the posterboy\girl of the franchise, and the other two because in the Crash Bash, Min Min was #1 and apparently, upon doing research, Ninjara was #2. So it makes sense to have the main iconic characters while also throwing in the two fan favorites as well.

Challenger Pack 7: Geno - What can I say that hasn't already been said a thousand times in this thread? The copyright takedowns from Nintendo seems oddly suspicious, since they also took down Banjo-Kazooie tracks and MEGALOVANIA before they were added in to Smash. Geno is also another fan-favorite character that the fanbase continues to say will never get included, much like Ridley, K. Rool and Banjo and he truly would be the Banjo of this Pass. I also think CacoMallow could still be real since the outfits looks so good and no mod has ever been able to match the quality of the leak, his Mii Outfit has not returned yet, which is strange seeing how Sakurai made a big deal about it back in Smash 4, Nintendo has been acknowledging Mario RPG more then ever by posting about it on Twitter occasionally and referencing Megasmilax in Piranha Plant's Palutena's Guidance, and just the fact that Sakurai acknowledges the fan demand and even wants him himself. Honestly, I'm pretty confident in Geno, moreso then I have ever been, and I will be shocked if he isn't one of these fighters.

Challenger Pack 8: Lloyd Irving - I think the missing Namco outfits is just really odd, especially considering the fact that Namco is developing this game and the only character they have on the roster is PAC-MAN. Tales Of is also one of the most iconic RPG's of all time and Lloyd is the most iconic. Sakurai even stated himself that if a Tales Of character were to make it in Smash, it would be Lloyd. Theirs really not much to talk about on this one. I just feel the evidence is painfully obvious.

Challenger Pack 9: Rex & Pyra - Rex, along with ARMS, was talked about by Sakurai stating that he wanted to include both in the base roster, but due to time constraints, they weren't able to make it. Now that ARMS is getting a rep, I feel the same will happen to Rex & Pyra. This year will also be huge for Xenoblade since Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition is coming out and now would be the perfect time to add another Xenoblade character to the massive roster, which would obviously be Rex & Pyra since Sakurai stated himself that he was going to include him.

Challenger Pack 10: Sol Badguy Or Rayman - Honestly, I seriously had a difficult time deciding who is more likely out of these two that I just couldn't help ranking them in the same place. I think they are both equally likely. Arc System Works And Ubisoft have a solid relationship with Nintendo, and they both oddly have content in Smash, but without a rep. Arc recently got Spirits in a post-launch Spirit Event, and Ubisoft has had Spirits as far back as base game, and recently got Mii Outfits in the last update. Also, in Ubisoft's case, they made a Mario + Rabbids crossover game, which shows that Ubisoft is definitely the Western company with the best relationship with Nintendo, besides Microsoft of course. These show that Nintendo might be having serious talks with both Arc And Ubisoft about Smash and it might result in getting a character from those two companies. And obviously, Sol Badguy would be chosen for Arc, and Rayman would be chosen for Ubisoft. Both of these characters I think are extremely likely.

Challenger Pack 11: Rillaboom - The obvious shill pick of the Pass, and as much as people may not want this, we got to admit, its probably gonna happen. Pokemon is the biggest multimedia franchise of all time after all, and we always usually get a new Pokemon from the newest gen. The reason why I give the edge to Rillaboom is simply because I feel he would complete the water, fire and grass starter type trifecta, although Nintendo can be unpredictable when it comes to choosing a Pokemon rep. Afterall, most people did expect Decidueye to be the Gen 7 rep, yet it ended up being Incineroar instead, so who really knows. But the one I think is the frontrunner for Gen 8 is Rillaboom imo.

Also, some honorable mentions that almost made the list are Travis Touchdown And Arle Nadja, although I am not as confident with these two characters and I think the characters on my actual predictions are a bit more likely in my opinion, although I also think these two have a great shot as well.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Unless Imran is leaking actual information, I'd take his words for now as just speculation. I've a hard time believing most of the second fighter pass would be first party, and little to no third party involvement

Sakurai said that this is an ultra-secret project so I'm a bit skeptical about leakers, even one like Imran who supposedly has really good sources and knows a lot of inside stuff from Nintendo. But well, we will see in a near future. It's probably that he knew about ARMS character way before it got announced and the rest is just speculation from him.

 

[Polarthief]

Sakurai said that this is an ultra-secret project so I'm a bit skeptical about leakers, even one like Imran who supposedly has really good sources and knows a lot of inside stuff from Nintendo. But well, we will see in a near future. It's probably that he knew about ARMS character way before it got announced and the rest is just speculation from him.

It could potentially be true if they're trying to keep the budget lower. It (lower budget) could also be total BS since I don't think that was ever from a confirmed source and was also just speculation(?). Feel free to tell me I'm a big dumb if wrong.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

It could potentially be true if they're trying to keep the budget lower. It (lower budget) could also be total BS since I don't think that was ever from a confirmed source and was also just speculation(?). Feel free to tell me I'm a big dumb if wrong.

I don't remember reading anything about low budget for FP2. Who said that ? If its true, it can be a reason to speculate that most of FP2 characters are from first party. But as I say before, who really knows. Lots of insiders mixes speculation with truth facts. And sometimes, they get old information about products. So, we must take with a grain of salt everything regarding Smash speculation.

For example, imagine that you heard from your sources various names from first party characters, so you first think "these are all FP2 fighters" but what if it is that they are adding new assist trophies? What if it is a leakbait and only one or two from those names became true?

 

[Icewolff92]

I would not be surprised unfortunately if this pack is mainly the first party when they start off with Arms of all things after Byleth... Hell, it could explain the absence of the Luigi's Mansion spirits and they are adding King Boo as Sigran is suspecting. Granted King Boo could be interesting I¨m, not gonna lie...

It could potentially be true if they're trying to keep the budget lower. It (lower budget) could also be total BS since I don't think that was ever from a confirmed source and was also just speculation(?). Feel free to tell me I'm a big dumb if wrong.

If the budget is as high, higher, or lower, that has not been confirmed. This pack, as far as we know (would his sources be correct) could be a leftover money pack of character

 

[PatPrime]

Having the pass mostly be first party would deconfirm a lot of my most wanted picks but there would be a lot of characters I would be very happy to see. Examples include Waluigi, King Boo, Bandana Dee, anything DK or Metroid, etc.

 

[Polarthief]

I don't remember reading anything about low budget for FP2. Who said that

If the budget is as high, higher, or lower, that has not been confirmed.

Yeah that's what I thought. There was plenty of talk about it a bit ago, that it'll be mostly first party to keep costs low, but no one ever gave a source to that.

For example, imagine that you heard from your sources various names from first party characters, so you first think "these are all FP2 fighters" but what if it is that they are adding new assist trophies? What if it is a leakbait and only one or two from those names became true?

For sure. Geno's in so that's at least 1 third party for sure.

I would not be surprised unfortunately if this pack is mainly the first party when they start off with Arms of all things after Byleth... Hell, it could explain the absence of the Luigi's Mansion spirits and they are adding King Boo as Sigran is suspecting. Granted King Boo could be interesting I¨m, not gonna lie...

Inb4 it's all first party and Geno (who still exists in a first-party universe so he technically counts but not really): ARMS, Geno, Wah, King Boo, Rex & Pyra, and... idk, blanking on a 6th.

I don't think that's happening, nor King Boo though. I do think we'll get more than just ARMS for first party though (and no, Geno doesn't count at all, I was just meme-ing).

 

[TheCJBrine]

A full first-party pass would disappoint me a bit due to no Steve personally but it would also soften the blow since I love a lot of first parties and really only care about Steve and Alex, Creeper, Geno, Mallow, Banjo-Kazooie and some indies like Undertale as far as third-parties in Smash go (though there are some others I would like too since they seem cool, such as Doomguy and Reimu). Still hope at least Geno would be in the pass of course.

 

[Icewolff92]

Yeah that's what I thought. There was plenty of talk about it a bit ago, that it'll be mostly first party to keep costs low, but no one ever gave a source to that.

If I¨m not mistaken, those rumblings started after the Arms reveal, and quite frankly, I can¨t blame it for happening. It doesn¨t really signal as high, or higher budget if you start off with a first-party if you know what I mean.

I don't think that's happening, nor King Boo though. I do think we'll get more than just ARMS for first party though (and no, Geno doesn't count at all, I was just meme-ing).

Like Fatman said the other day or so.... They might just wait with the spirits for LM3 for the last batch of DLC... And what other game did they do that for? Three Houses and that ended up with us getting Byleth as a character. So it's not like the idea of missing spirits = character on the horizon has come out of nowhere.

 

[Polarthief]

If I¨m not mistaken, those rumblings started after the Arms reveal, and quite frankly, I can¨t blame it for happening. It doesn¨t really signal as high, or higher budget if you start off with a first-party if you know what I mean.

Oh for sure, especially given that you're starting off with a rather lukewarm open after Terry, who was very eh for most people, and Byleth, who was by far the most disappointing pick for most people.

Like Fatman said the other day or so.... They might just wait with the spirits for LM3 for the last batch of DLC... And what other game did they do that for? Three Houses and that ended up with us getting Byleth as a character. So it's not like the idea of missing spirits = character on the horizon has come out of nowhere.

I'm absolutely not denying the possibility, I just personally don't think it'll happen. I also didn't think the direct would take til late March (and contain very little substance), and the PAX East event would have nothing as well. I've been wrong a lot and I could easily be wrong about King Boo too. I just really don't see it, unless they are in fact going with a mostly first party pass, and even if they were, there's still other picks I'd consider first. Here's a list:
- Rex & Pyra: Cucked in FP1. ARMS is here, no more excuses (even though idc if they get in or not).
- Kirby Rep (probs BWD): Kirby's extremely low on reps for a still-ongoing series. They deserve another.
- Zelda Rep (I'd pick Impa): ^. They have more than Kirby already, but 3 of them are literally Links and play extremely similar (and 2 are different-playing Zeldas). For their secondary flagship franchise (excluding Pokemon since it's not fully theirs), Zelda should be repped more.
- Wah: Because of all the reasons.
- Birdo: If they wanted to add some echoes, I could see them (her?) being a Yoshi echo. Originally a Doki Doki enemy, Birdo's been in a lot of spin-offs, including SMRPG. I also think they've been in the occasional mainline game (obviously is if you consider SMB2/USA a "mainline Mario game"). Everyone always thinks of Daisy and Wah as being the main spin-off characters, but people tend to forget Birdo's been around since SMB2, meaning they even predate Daisy by half a year! (and obviously Waluigi by over a decade, but Daisy did that too) Again, only if they wanted to add some echoes. If they didn't, then nvm on Birdo completely since I don't see them making a whole new kit for them.
- Paper Mario/"Mario RPG" rep: Obviously I'd pick Geno first over PM, but if they were going with an all first-party pass, I don't see why PM shouldn't be in, especially if the rumors about a new PM game pan out to be true (again, assuming Geno isn't in, but that's not gonna happen, because he is in ).

Just my two cents at nearly 2 AM (getting a touch delirious TBH since I've had really bad sleep this last week). Honestly, it'd feel pretty weird to get a "Luigi's Mansion" rep over a Mario RPG one, Waluigi, or Rex & Pyra who again have been cucked for pretty long (and LM3 also came out well after XC2; it'll have been 2.5 years/30 months in June for XC2 vs only 8 months (in June) for LM3!). All that said though, if King Boo does end up getting inm I feel like they'd hold him back for the Q3/4 direct, likely character #8/9, to be shown off for spoopy month and probably releasing before or on the holiday. He's not at all something to be shown off at E3, so putting him in the Q3/4 direct (and also because Spoopyween) seems like the most logical choice.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I don't watch Blocked Content but can I just say that I doubt this is legit?:

It's more the idea that this wouldn't still be public if it was legit. It's a confirmed mod and UC is just being a leech because they have nothing better to do. All their content is like that. Quickly! Let me make a fake leak so they can post it on their channel!
(Image found on Twitter)

 

[RetroBro]

Since everyone seemed to have made predictions except for me, I might as well make some predictions too. Just remember, my opinion changes all the time and somedays I feel certain characters are more likely then others, but as of right now, these are who I am betting on:

Challenger Pack 11: Rillaboom - The obvious shill pick of the Pass, and as much as people may not want this, we got to admit, its probably gonna happen. Pokemon is the biggest multimedia franchise of all time after all, and we always usually get a new Pokemon from the newest gen. The reason why I give the edge to Rillaboom is simply because I feel he would complete the water, fire and grass starter type trifecta, although Nintendo can be unpredictable when it comes to choosing a Pokemon rep. Afterall, most people did expect Decidueye to be the Gen 7 rep, yet it ended up being Incineroar instead, so who really knows. But the one I think is the frontrunner for Gen 8 is Rillaboom imo.

I'm not nit picking or anything. But I feel a bit more comfortable asking in this thread since it's been my home for a long time lol

Out of all the franchises to guess a character entry. Pokemon is the MOST bizarre to me. I can't even imagine trying to guess what pokemon Sakurai thinks will translate to smash well or at least be cool. I've seen so many pokemon suggestions at this point over the years and they're never right.

But really? Rillaboom? The grass monkey with drums... I just don't see it.

 

[Icewolff92]

I'm absolutely not denying the possibility, I just personally don't think it'll happen.

You have to keep in mind that Nintendo potentially has a "want to push parts here"... why else would they announce that you could play Arms for free online for a certain amount of time directly after they revealed Arms as the next playable fighter? And there is certainly enough potential candidates for an all "promotional pass" if they so wanted. I mean

Isaac (in hope to revive Golden Sun)
An Advance Wars rep (in hope to review Advance Wars, which is rumored to get a restart soon)
Lyn if the FE 6&7 remakes are true (if they didn¨t care about people obvious rage that would happen with Byleth, I don¨t see why they would care to be bothered now)
Paper Mario if they are doing more PM games as its rumored
King Boo because of the LM3 DLC
Urushifu or Calyrex because of Pokemon DLC
A Breath of the Wild 2 character because of Breath of the Wild 2...
Crystal if they want to revive Star Fox
Ashley for a new Wario Ware....

And that¨s just from the top of my head

 

[Loliko YnT]

I just want to say one thing about this LM3 spirit event :

The big thing is that King Boo already is a spirit. Personnaly , I think being a spirit doesn't change a single thing about your chances in Smash , unless it's a timing thing. (Like the spirit event for the mana stuff , if they wanted to include a character , they wouldn't have done that. But anything from base game is fair game to me.)

If we were to get LM3 spirits , they would probably be :
-Hellen Gravely
-Steward
-Poltergust G-00
-Gooigi

Those are the characters (well , beside the litteral vaccuum) with official artworks. The regular ghosts are pretty much the same from Dark Moon , and all the other boss ghosts only have 3D renders. E.Gadd and King Boo , the 2 BIG Luigi's Mansion characters are already in base game as spirits.

Now , the DLC stuff. You know what this DLC is ?
It's a multiplayer expension pack. It basically give you more type of randomly generated rooms based on the hotel for scarescrapper , new minigames for screampark , and a few costumes. This DLC is also separated in two packs. The first pack was already released in April I think , and the second should be late July.

Spoiler: DLC PACK 1

Spoiler: DLC PACK 2

And I think the 2 packs together are 10 dollars.
As much as I would love a LM character (You talk to the guy that finished the OG Luigi's Mansion , like , 15 damn times) , it would be a weird tactic to promote this kind of DLC with Smash. The game already sold very well (enough to be in top 10 best sellers of the Switch) , so you wouldn't get much more sales going on , since a good chunk of Switch players own the game. People who will buy these DLCs are LM fans , and people who just want more out of the multiplayer. I doubt anyone would buy LM3 for these specifics DLCs , they buy LM3 for the core experience , this DLC is basically just a big bonus in the end.

Also , yes , FE 3H had DLC going on.
The big thing is... FE had a huge expension pack in 4 WAVES. It also costed 25 dollars. It added characters , costumes , a lot of stuff to the gameplay , and especially a big story expension. It made sense to promote that , there's a lot of content and sales would give quite some cash ; You get an experience that's even more complete.
With LM3... You can ignore the DLC and have a complete experience. The core experience is the story mode , and the DLC don't add anything to that. It's just to add more side content , supplementary stuff for people who want it.

That's why I don't buy that logic. I could be completely wrong , and Nintendo want to push that game even more but... They prefered to push ARMS instead , they understand that it's smarter to give help to their smallers IPs , so they could rise and be more notable and stuff.

"So why the lack of spirit event ?"
My best bet is linked to how Sakurai like to do things : He often prefer to ask companies if they can use their stuff , even if Nintendo own it and gave Sakurai the permission to do so. And Next Level Games is a canadian studio. So it would be quite tricky to communicate , even it's possible , it's just a question of : It is worth it ?
And yes , LM3 characters are Mario characters , but NLG still made all these characters. It's kind of like Alphadream , they don't exactly own Fawful and coe , but they still made them.

Or maybe they forgot , or had another spirit event at the same time.

 

[Icewolff92]

That's why I don't buy that logic. I could be completely wrong , and Nintendo want to push that game even more but... They prefered to push ARMS instead , they understand that it's smarter to give help to their smallers IPs , so they could rise and be more notable and stuff.

Byleth just so happens to be revealed when the final part of the DLC pack was revealed (you can only buy as a bundle that expanded for free overtime for those that are unaware) the same day that they put out a trailer for Ashen Wolves storyline. Januari reveal of the character -> the Ashen Wolf story releasing in February. The last pack of DLC for Luigis Mansion comes out in July. So if they want to do another Byleth, they are going to wait around that time to reveal him then. Not have him start off as the first character

 

[Loliko YnT]

Byleth just so happens to be revealed when the final part of the DLC pack was revealed (you can only buy as a bundle that expanded for free overtime for those that are unaware) the same day that they put out a trailer for Ashen Wolves storyline. Januari reveal of the character -> the Ashen Wolf story releasing in February. The last pack of DLC for Luigis Mansion comes out in July. So if they want to do another Byleth, they are going to wait around that time to reveal him then. Not have him start off as the first character

My main issue with that is...

Byleth promote a DLC including a major new storyline in the game.
King Boo would litteraly promote 3 costumes and 3 minigames.
What sound more exciting to you ?

Granted , King Boo would promote more LM3 as a whole , rather than the DLC.
However , this worked for FE 3H , because it sold around 2,5 millions units , you could still convince a lot of players to buy it (especially when Ultimate sold near 20 millions).
Luigi's Mansion 3 already sold around 5,5 millions units. You would still convince some people to buy it , sure. But the game sales are already a big success. You can't sell much more units than that to be honest , especially since Luigi's Mansion isn't for everyone , gameplay wise. (It's an adventure/action game)

When you compare it to FE 3H , this helped a lot. JRPG and RPGs in general do super well on the Switch , and while I didn't played it yet , Iv'e heard nothing but good stuff about this game. So there was a lot of potential there. On top of that , they do a loooooot of DLCs , and it's kind of a shame that only this specific playerbase would buy them.
As to the DLC , if I understood correctly , (I also double checked on the eshop to be sure) you could only buy this DLC fully. You had to spend 25 dollars for the expension pack , wich came with 4 waves that released overtime. And each wave both had free content that came through updates , and paid content. You can check on the eshop each description of the waves , but you can't buy a single one , you have to buy everything.

Compared to the LM3 DLC , wich has the same format ; It only has 2 packs , and the total only cost 10 dollars. And as Iv'e said before , considering the content they offer , while good , is still side stuff you can easily ignore.
You can't exactly ignore the FE 3H DLC considering what it gives , especially for a new storyline.

My point is , when you will buy FE 3H , there's a big chance you will buy the DLC considering how much it expend on the game.
While if you bought LM3 , DLC or not , it doesn't change all that much , since the core experience and multiplayer are already very complete. (Not saying FE 3H base game is incomplete , rather that it add so much that it's basically a 4th house)

Yes , the timing is a bit odd but... I mean , not everything that release in July/June mean that they'll get Smash content. Looking at this list , they still have a lot of stuff coming for May/June/July (+Bayo 3 and Botw 2 possibly getting announced) , even if a lot of stuff is third party :
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-01-06-nintendo-switch-upcoming-games-list-release-dates

So yeah , to resume :
While yes , it has a good time window , so does a lot of other games , even if they don't have a missing spirit event.
On top of that , the DLC for LM3 is way smaller than FE 3H DLC , and can be ignored pretty easily. King Boo would more promote LM3 as a whole , but it already sold 5,5 millions units and is already a success , and while it would bring some sales , it wouldn't do much in the end , since a good chunk of the Switch playerbase already own LM3.
It's not like FE 3H , who only had around 2,5 millions units sold and could get more , especially with it's expension pack.

 

[Icewolff92]

As to the DLC , if I understood correctly , (I also double checked on the eshop to be sure) you could only buy this DLC fully. You had to spend 25 dollars for the expension pack , wich came with 4 waves that released overtime. And each wave both had free content that came through updates , and paid content. You can check on the eshop each description of the waves , but you can't buy a single one , you have to buy everything.

I know. I even mentioned that in the post you quote. If there is someone that knows about that detail here, it's me.

Yes , the timing is a bit odd but... I mean , not everything that release in July/June mean that they'll get Smash content. Looking at this list , they still have a lot of stuff coming for May/June/July (+Bayo 3 and Botw 2 possibly getting announced) , even if a lot of stuff is third party :

The only first-party title (and my mentioning of King Boo where for the aspect of first-party tittle promotion due to Imran Khans claim) that is officially releasing within these release windows is Xenoblade Chronicles Remake.

On top of that , the DLC for LM3 is way smaller than FE 3H DLC , and can be ignored pretty easily. King Boo would more promote LM3 as a whole , but it already sold 5,5 millions units and is already a success , and while it would bring some sales , it wouldn't do much in the end , since a good chunk of the Switch playerbase already own LM3.

If Nintendo believes that they can squees out more sales for this, they will do that. There is also the Super Mario celebration around that time, and King Boo is arguably the last big (as in recognizable) bad guy left to add.

 

[Loliko YnT]

I know. I even mentioned that in the post you quote. If there is someone that knows about that detail here, it's me.



The only first-party title (and my mentioning of King Boo where for the aspect of first-party tittle promotion due to Imran Khans claim) that is officially releasing within these release windows is Xenoblade Chronicles Remake.



If Nintendo believes that they can squees out more sales for this, they will do that. There is also the Super Mario celebration around that time, and King Boo is arguably the last big (as in recognizable) bad guy left to add.

For the first comment , it was just to be sure we were on the same page.

Yes , I agree that first party content is very lacking now. But you said it yourself ; Xenoblade Chronicles DE , Fiora could promote that upcoming game , too.

Yes , but Nintendo could squeeze more sales from games that were already released , or from games that will be released. They could do it , but when you look at the sales numebers and what it promote , it wouldn't make sense.

I can give you that one , even if we don't know how they will exactly do that Mario celebration in Smash , even if it happen. After all , with that logic , the rumored Paper Mario game seem like the way to go by adding Paper Mario to Smash , or go for the fans and add Wah or Geno.

 

[Icewolff92]

Yes , I agree that first party content is very lacking now. But you said it yourself ; Xenoblade Chronicles DE , Fiora could promote that upcoming game , too.

That¨s one of the things I missed

Yes , but Nintendo could squeeze more sales from games that were already released , or from games that will be released. They could do it , but when you look at the sales numebers and what it promote , it wouldn't make sense.

We don¨t know the full POV on what Nintendo is seeing things. If they see it is worth it, it's worth. I mean, from a sales perspective, it would make more sense to add Steve or Master Chief, yet they went with the fan-favorite Banjo Kazooie. As I said... we don¨t know how they look at things

I can give you that one , even if we don't know how they will exactly do that Mario celebration in Smash , even if it happen. After all , with that logic , the rumored Paper Mario game seem like the way to go by adding Paper Mario to Smash , or go for the fans and add Wah or Geno.

I argue that King Boo is a bigger deal then Paper Mario, Geno (if this is mostly first, unfortunately, is third) and Waluigi... well unless they are going to give him his own game, or at worst being player two in a Wario Land game all Super Mario Bros style, King Boo is the safest bet with promotion + celebration in mind

 

[Super10ZX]

I had a bad dream last night where Geno was added to Smash... as some kind of special item or Assist Trophy with all the effort of an actual character put into him but you couldn’t play as him. Everyone hated it, the video had 140k dislikes. Also Geno was slightly redesigned, his cape was now touching the ground with how long it was.

Aw well, it’s nothing to worry about. Geno for Smash!

 

[Enigma735]

I'm not nit picking or anything. But I feel a bit more comfortable asking in this thread since it's been my home for a long time lol

Out of all the franchises to guess a character entry. Pokemon is the MOST bizarre to me. I can't even imagine trying to guess what pokemon Sakurai thinks will translate to smash well or at least be cool. I've seen so many pokemon suggestions at this point over the years and they're never right.

But really? Rillaboom? The grass monkey with drums... I just don't see it.

I think Rillaboom could work. Maybe he could have some rhythm mechanic to his moveset or something.

 

[Polarthief]

The last pack of DLC for Luigis Mansion comes out in July. So if they want to do another Byleth, they are going to wait around that time to reveal him then. Not have him start off as the first character

Push another ad pick at E3? Bruh. I almost want them to pull that now. ARMS (which is already partially a shill) and King Boo at E3. Like no, I do not see that happening unless they want to bombard us with ads and mediocre/meh choices since Terry. (not saying I don't like Terry, just the overall reaction to him was a resounding 'meh' across most of the world)

That kind of DLC isn't really the one you need to promote, much less at E3. If he's in, he's gonna be at the end of the year direct or (less likely) the start of next year's. I do not see him coming at E3 in any way, shape, or form. That would absolutely turn off people if they haven't been from Terry/Byleth/ARMS yet.

 

[Icewolff92]

Push another ad pick at E3? Bruh. I almost want them to pull that now. ARMS (which is already partially a shill) and King Boo at E3. Like no, I do not see that happening unless they want to bombard us with ads and mediocre/meh choices since Terry. (not saying I don't like Terry, just the overall reaction to him was a resounding 'meh' across most of the world)

That kind of DLC isn't really the one you need to promote, much less at E3. If he's in, he's gonna be at the end of the year direct or (less likely) the start of next year's. I do not see him coming at E3 in any way, shape, or form. That would absolutely turn off people if they haven't been from Terry/Byleth/ARMS yet.

Concidering we have had 3 not so internet breaking dlc charachters in a possitive light back to back, with last 2 being first party, I would not discount the chances. Especially if its mostly first we are getting now

I will say this though. I rather see King Boo then the kung fu bear

 

[Vector Victor]

I wouldn't mind an ad pick if the pick has an actual history and fan demand. Dixie would be a good ad pick if they revealed her in 4 when Tropical Freeze came out. Corrin is a bad ad pick as he was developed as a fighter before his game came out (Byleth too, but at least there was a gap between game and character where people COULD form a fanbase for him).

And just because a series as a cast of many playable characters doesn't mean they should get a spot automatically reserved for the series. If that was the case, then why aren't there 7 Links in Smash? So if a Pokemon rep comes, it should be a Pokemon with an established fanbase, not just whoever they put in the spotlight to advertise the next game.

 

[Polarthief]

Concidering we have had 3 not so internet breaking dlc charachters in a possitive light back to back, with last 2 being first party, I would not discount the chances. Especially if its mostly first we are getting now

Eh, not at E3.

I will say this though. I rather see King Boo then the kung fu bear

Oh I'll drink to that in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't mind an ad pick if the pick has an actual history and fan demand. Dixie would be a good ad pick if they revealed her in 4 when Tropical Freeze came out. Corrin is a bad ad pick as he was developed as a fighter before his game came out (Byleth too, but at least there was a gap between game and character where people COULD form a fanbase for him).

And just because a series as a cast of many playable characters doesn't mean they should get a spot automatically reserved for the series. If that was the case, then why aren't there 7 Links in Smash? So if a Pokemon rep comes, it should be a Pokemon with an established fanbase, not just whoever they put in the spotlight to advertise the next game.

Exactly. Also whoops I always forget Dixie even though I'd be pretty happy if she got in. DKC2 (her debut) is amazing.

If we do end up getting a Pokemon, I keep hoping it'll at LEAST be one the community loves, and looking at fanart, Toxtricity comes up *EXTREMELY* often. Urshifu is lucky to have a few pieces, and that's only because he's a DLC character (and therefore was thrown in our faces a handful of times).

 

[Springwood Slasher]

I wouldn't mind an ad pick if the pick has an actual history and fan demand. Dixie would be a good ad pick if they revealed her in 4 when Tropical Freeze came out. Corrin is a bad ad pick as he was developed as a fighter before his game came out (Byleth too, but at least there was a gap between game and character where people COULD form a fanbase for him).

And just because a series as a cast of many playable characters doesn't mean they should get a spot automatically reserved for the series. If that was the case, then why aren't there 7 Links in Smash? So if a Pokemon rep comes, it should be a Pokemon with an established fanbase, not just whoever they put in the spotlight to advertise the next game.

I don’t know if I would consider Corrin or Byleth as “bad picks” because they were developed before their game came out. I think a better term is a “forced pick” which leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the fan base who had already had their newcomer wishlists set and didn’t anticipate newbies. (But truth be told - I’m in full agreeable...I consider Byleth and Corrin to be pretty lame).

 

[JudgeHeihachi]

With an ARMS character getting in and Sakurai explicitly saying once that they would have included one had they had more time and Sakurai making those weird remarks that he does not know what he will do once Ultimate's development is finished, I got the feeling that this Fighters Pass might be him finishing his work for good and settle every open matter from the past. If no further DLC is planned beyond this season and he also has no other future games in his mind he could as well continue supporting Ultimate with more DLC seasons. But he seems confident in not wanting to continue them. Which means he must already be satisfied with all the characters that will be added in this season. This could be him feeling to have finally finished the roster with adding most of the characters he once wanted to put in but couldn't for whatever reasons. In addition to an ARMS character I could very well see Rex, Geno and Heihachi getting in as they all have been considered before. While it is not feasible to search for a theme to unify six characters with only knowing one so far, I still have that weird feeling that this might be it. Sakurai feeling like this would be the roster he ever wanted Smash to have with every past character to ever be in Smash, long time requests like Ridley, K. Rool and Banjo finally getting in, huge 3rd party icons like Sonic, Megaman or Cloud and past considerations that never materialized which all made him see no reason to continue beyond that point. Basically the perfect roster that could never be topped again.

Springman quote: https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/0...r-originally-considered-other-pokemon-choices

 

[Icewolff92]

Eh, not at E3.

Call me cynical, but I would not be surprised if it happens.

Oh I'll drink to that in a heartbeat.

I mean, there is moveset potential for him, would Sakurai be interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2wOzf1Iirc&t=113s

past considerations that never materialized which all made him see no reason to continue beyond that point. Basically the perfect roster that could never be topped again.

This pretty much sums it up why I don¨t think we are ever going to get a "Smash 6, aka a Smash Brothers Reboot", like so many claims, with the series continuing on as ports, even with the third-party characters in mind, added more characters for each port (these that never got the chance to be added). I mean, majority of the casual fans (which is those that brings a large majority of the sales no matter what some hardcore fans like to believe), would just look at the reboot, see way less content with their characters that they enjoy playing being most likely cut and ask... Why should I buy this when I have the Ultimate installment? Even though this is clearly a love letter to Iwata in some way (creating Smash for Switch was Iwatas last request to Sakurai...) its pretty obvious that they have put themself in a corner.

 

[MattX20]

Did we ever discuss Geno's potential Mii Fighter costume wave?

 

[Penguinbowler]

I will say this though. I rather see King Boo then the kung fu bear

I can't help but feel any mario character getting in will cause backlash by some aspects of the community at this point, especially if it's one without a dedicated community like King Boo or Kamek, still i'd love them to get in

 

[Springwood Slasher]

Call me cynical, but I would not be surprised if it happens.



I mean, there is moveset potential for him, would Sakurai be interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2wOzf1Iirc&t=113s




This pretty much sums it up why I don¨t think we are ever going to get a "Smash 6, aka a Smash Brothers Reboot", like so many claims, with the series continuing on as ports, even with the third-party characters in mind, added more characters for each port (these that never got the chance to be added). I mean, majority of the casual fans (which is those that brings a large majority of the sales no matter what some hardcore fans like to believe), would just look at the reboot, see way less content with their characters that they enjoy playing being most likely cut and ask... Why should I buy this when I have the Ultimate installment? Even though this is clearly a love letter to Iwata in some way (creating Smash for Switch was Iwatas last request to Sakurai...) its pretty obvious that they have put themself in a corner.

what if the next logical step is a Fortnite-style Smash Bros game? Aka a brawler/MMO game with a huge 3D component?

 

[Icewolff92]

I can't help but feel any mario character getting in will cause backlash by some aspects of the community at this point, especially if it's one without a dedicated community like King Boo or Kamek, still i'd love them to get in

I say that goes for any Mario character TBH

what if the next logical step is a Fortnite-style Smash Bros game? Aka a brawler/MMO game with a huge 3D component?

Then that would not be Smash Brothers. That would be its own thing

 

[Vector Victor]

Kamek would be more tolerated and accepted as he would be seen as a far overdue addition to the Yoshi series. In fact, if a mook was to be promoted, it should have been Kamek, not Plant.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Did we ever discuss Geno's potential Mii Fighter costume wave?

I'd love to say Cacomallow, but why would it wait that long when it can just be released with ARMS. It couldn't be as ready any earlier than that. The leaks were already from currently developed versions, and those were leaked right before Terry's presentation. If they weren't ready by Terry, they wouldn't have been ready by Byleth. It effectively skipped "one character" since Byleth's presentation was recorded less than a week apart. We already know costumes don't follow a very clear pattern to begin with, so they can release literally whenever they feel like it, as long as they're outright ready. Albeit, the fact the video wasn't taken down makes me lean towards fake too, but eh.

Otherwise, I think a Mallow costume, Smithy head(maybe all his heads?), and Sephiroth are all excellent Costumes for Geno to come with.