WARNING!! LONG POST INCOMING
It's because the GS franchise is pretty much dead, apparently. Geno at least has a shot because he is tied to the Mario RPG franchise as a whole, which include the Mario & Luigi games, which are still going strong. (And he's heavily tied to Mario's history). GS was definitely big for the GBA-era and DS era to a smaller extent, but he's not quite considered retro yet or anything. He got an AT and mii costume to compensate his fans. Apparently NoA did NOT expect the backlash.
That's...strange. And interesting. Remember tht GameFAQs link I posted a while back imply that NoJ had the ballot? Didn't Isaac place well on the ballot? He places pretty high on fanpolls out here too. I guess yeah you could argue the legitimacy of GS as being strictly GBA and DS games. Any evidence of any GBA or DS only games making it in as reps?
Anyone think this fact hurts Geno's chances? I know Geno is attached to Mario and is technically retro, but idk...still not sure one way of the other.
Well, I blanked out his name. He seems to be offline and I can't get ahold of him, but he's told me numerous time he doesn't mind me sharing his info, so long as I don't give his name out. This is what my source sent me today (also, don't judge Discord light theme
also, I was the Sabi person he was tagging, haha)
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"Small" group of Isaac fans...? What? If theyre small then...what about us? It's a little difficult for me to believe they think the Isaac fanbase is smaller than the Geno fanbase. However, I love the counterargument that because Geno is connected to Mario series, he still has a fighting shot. (pun intended) Still gives me hope!! Maybe if NoA was taken aback by the disappointment, NoJ would take measures to avoid this by giving us Geno? He also said "still only" which is interesting as that implies thats always his intention. Cool to get to know a little more about his mindset.
Also, I've taken the liberty to list (filtering out non-name/party characters) the list of returning and new Mii Costumes for ultimate (according to the datamine leaks which interestingly enough didn't include Rex, but I added him at the bottom), now also adding in what I assume is added in for compensation. I also placed an asterisk next to each Mii Costume returning from Smash 4.
1. Ashley (AT)*
2. Black Knight (AT)*
3. Captain Falcon (Fighter)*
4. Chibi Robo (Compensation?)
5.
Chrom (Fighter)*
6. Ray MK III (Compensation?)
7. Dunban (FS)*
8. Flying Man (SH)*
9. Isabelle (Fighter)*
10. King K. Rool (Fighter)*
11. KK Slider (Stage Background)*
12. Link (Fighter)*
13. Champion (?)
14. Lip (AT?)
15. Builder Mario (Fighter ALT)
16. Viridi (PaluGuidance)*
17. Nia (...who?)
18. Ribbon Girl (Compensation?)
19. Isaac (Compensation)
20. Saki Amamiya (Compensation?)
21. Samus (Fighter)*
22. Skull Kid (AT)*
23. Inkling (Fighter)*
24. Spring Man (AT)
25. Fox (Fighter)*
26. Takamaru (AT)*
27. Toad (Part of Peach moveset)*
28. Rex (Implied Compensation)
Highlighting all of the costumes I think are compensation in goldish yellow, and looking at the returning characters, it makes sense that the Isaac costume is compensation. Remember, Sakurai gave us the Geno costume as compensation. That's practically what he said. And if you look at returning characters from Smash 4, several of them got upgrades into Ultimate, and also some of them were probably "compensation" in Smash 4. (Black Knight, Inkling, Chrom, Zero, MegaMen, King K. Rool, Takamaru, Akira, Geno) I think the "compensation" characters this round: Chibi Robo, Ray MK III, Ribbon Girl, Isaac, Saki, Rex all reflect characters wanted in but couldn't get in as a fighter. Since all the 3rd party reps except Square and Bandai Namco have their characters in game in some way shape or form as MODELS (Akira, Rathalos, Zero, Wily [presumably replcing Elec Man], Knuckles this could be good for our boi.
You know, and this may seem off topic, but your icon really personifies you in a way I can't quite place into words. Does anyone else get that feeling?
I FEEL THE EXACT SAME WAY. Especially about PolarPanda, to the point where it was weird seing a different icon for him on discord.
Meant "suggestions" rather for the wording, but you get my meaning.
Another thing to consider is that we've known for a while now Sakurai is buds with Yuji Horii (Dragon Quest's creator) and there's still that old
Nintendo Dream round-table discussion from August 2016 that I've had a hard time overlooking possible relevance to Smash way before Ultimate was ever even revealed.
I guess my point is don't jump the hype gun yet and assume Geno will be it.
We still don't know what's goin' on for sure and it's hard to ignore certain aspects and possibilities that could've made Dragon Quest get the nod.
"Hype responsibly" as the saying goes.
I'm neutral about who in that list is actually it (if true) since anyone from that list of Square Enix characters could actually be really fun and bring something different to the table for different fans.
Geno gettin' in would be cathartic, absolutely. But Dragon Quest gettin' in would be too for not just fans of the series, but people who feel it's just oddly missing among Smash's "video game history" aspect it has goin' on.
You
say you're neutral but idk.....seem a little TOO for DQ to me lol
Partly kidding. But you have a good point here. This could hint at a DQ meeting before DLC was even confirmed. However, still gotta go thru Armor Project and Square. Not to say is impossible tho.
I know Geno would make a lot of people happy, and I'd quite like to see him in the game, but there's a lot against him.
I heard Geno's name from multiple sources, but each of them had the same thing to say, which boiled down to "the Square character isn't Geno". There are other reasons which I'd prefer not to share (enough info I don't want to come out has found it's way out). On top of all of that, there are a lot of things pointing to a different character.
Just a question, not an attack. Earlier when you said this (on gamefaqs i think?) you said something similar but instead of there's a lot against him, it was a definitive not Geno. Is there a reason you're less sure outside of your sources all saying its a red herring, or am I tin foiling here?
Do you have a source on this? I heard Yermum was cut due to a ***** error.
Am I...am I gonna be the only one to-
I'll do it-
Because i mean how did you all miss-
....What's *****?
I was directly told that Nintendo operators got hate calls over Isaac just the same as they did with Waluigi. If there is a wave 2 (since wave 1 WON'T) with AT promotions, Waluigi or Isaac would definitely be first. Then Skull Kid.
Or I could definitely see it being Matthew, to avoid promoting an AT and having to take an asset out. Matthew could even make DLC if the situation is dire enough. Matthew is pretty much Isaac and is only a Spirit.
I have a terrible, strange hypothetical thet just popped into my head.
It’s Spring of 2020. The pass has just completed a couple months ago, without Geno as part of it. At the end of a Nintendo Direct, a Smash character trailer starts out of nowhere.
As it turns out, Nintendo has decided to take two of the most-requested Mario-series characters... and combine them. Enter Waluigeno, literally just Waluigi in Geno’s cloak and a small gun on his arm, with all of Geno’s expected moveset(including timed hits) but also Waluigi’s racket and stomp.
How would you take this news? Excitement that the moveset at least got in? Horrified at the amalgamation? Something in-between?
Yuck. Worse than Geno Mii Costume or Geno AT lmaoooo
Honestly, the reaction to the Grinch leak has put Nintendo in a weird place when it comes to DLC.
If that leak never happened, they could have shoved basically any Square character at the fans, and while Geno supporters would be quite disappointed that it wasn’t him, the majority would be satisfied.
But no, instead we had a full week-and-a-half where basically the majority of the gaming Internet(thanks to news sites publicizing the leak far and wide) legitimately believed that Geno was in. And then it turned out that not only was Geno not in, we essentially knew about all the characters since mid-September. And on top of that, the two characters(not counting Ken) that seemed the most likely from the leak were deconfirned as ATs, while three others were nothing more than .PNGs in a glorified Event Match/gacha mode.
Since that leak happened and got everyone’s hopes up, now anything besides Geno and Banjo is going to feel like a massive letdown for a pretty sizable group of people that believed that they were really, finally happening a month ago, even ones that never really followed either character too closely. Especially if we get DQ and Steve instead, there’d effectively be riots.
(For another contender, I’d personally expect Crono to be about 60% well-received, with an extra 40% mix of “Er, did anyone really request him?”, “Really, another anime swordsman?”, and “Come on, where’s Geno?”)
I wonder how much the Grinch leak helped any of those potential characters for DLC...I agree that ALMOST anything less than that will feel like a letdown. I feel like Geno and Banjo would be special cases as let downs because they were requested before the grinch leak. (I myself wasn't too keen on Shadow and Ken but they cool I guess) and I don't think anyone was really clamoring for Mach Rider.
TL:DR
1. Isaac has a huge fanbase, hard to see us being exponentially larger and it didnt work to get him in. Worries me. The argument that Geno is attached to Mario, thus still safe in this regard is very reassuring.
2. List of all "Compensation" Mii fighters and their connection to Smash as well as "compensation" Mii Fighter Costumes for Smash 4 and how that correlates to no 3rd party costumes in Ultimate.
3. What's *****? (It's the joke isnt it?)
4. Speculation on how much the Grinch Leak may have impacted DLC.
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