Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Was just scrolling down through Twitter and saw these tweet from Geoff and upon thinking about it more, Nintendo can be quite the obscurely clever rival.

I hope Nintendo never stops being Nintendo.

Two massively next gen consoles launched this week - and then Nintendo dropped this on Friday.

It’s such a vibe. pic.twitter.com/9FrcOkdTxe

— Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley) November 15, 2020

Microsoft and Sony launch their next gen consoles, and here comes good ol' Nintendo, yet again defying what many in the industry may consider the "normal flow" of progression, and Nintendo launches their special edition Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary GAME & WATCH handheld. Sure, it's more of a collector's item, but the playful contrast is almost naughty.

It's charming, but at the same time I am kinda jealous of the next gen consoles right now? This is the first time I've ever REALLY felt the disconnect between Nintendo and the other systems. I thought most Wii games looked great even compared to the 360 and PS3, clearly stuff like Mario Galaxy still holds up visually. Even with the Wii U I was always more impressed more by the consistent frame rates of stuff like Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon than whatever the PS4 and Xbox One were doing at the time (Seriously, why did it feel like it took 2-3 years for last gen to actually start?). But we've reached the point now where we finally have consoles that are actually prioritizing framerates (or atleast giving options to). Actually seeing games like Miles Morales and Demon Souls running at 60fps is the most a game has impressed me in a long time, hell even "last-gen" stuff like God of War and Kingdom Hearts 3 not being stuck on machines that were underpowered at release back in 2013 is fantastic. And consoles actually adopting SSD's? Finally.

Then I look at Pikmin 3 Deluxe still running at 720p 30fps and Age of Calamity's insane frame drops like

(it also doesn't help that I have a decent number of other issues with Nintendo, and that we don't really know what's actually coming out next year that is getting to me a little)

 

[QQS]

Thank you for your words. SpiritOfRuin Enigma735 MisterMike
7NATOR

Geno is waking up very soon brooooos !

 

[Bobthealligator]

Are you guys open to an outsider's perspective on this whole situation?

 

[HudU]

Just got a bit of hope today for Geno again after watching a few videos today. Just a reminder, hope is what pulls people through, and I hope we can pull through and get a spot during this fighters pass.

 

[GenoDoge]

Are you guys open to an outsider's perspective on this whole situation?

I am open to that!

 

[Bobthealligator]

I feel like the main problem with this thread is one a lot of Smash fans are a little bit guilty of (I used to post in the Elma thread a lot, but stopped because they do this too), but seems to effect Geno and Crash the most. There seems to be a mindset that by coming up with these increasingly farfetched theories as to why you think your character will get in, will somehow make your character get in Smash. The reason why is probably due to Fatmanonice and Papagenos, who take this further than most, which has led to the two of them almost being worshipped in a way. The reason why I and many other people have an issue with this is that it demonstrates a tenuous, even downright delusional grip on reality. Another reason that this might have happened to you guys is that Geno had only appeared in one game, so there genuinely isn't anything else to talk about.
If Geno does get in, which, in all fairness I do believe has a decent chance of happening, the ridiculous theory crafting will have nothing to do with it.

 

[Griselda]

I feel like the main problem with this thread is one a lot of Smash fans are a little bit guilty of (I used to post in the Elma thread a lot, but stopped because they do this too), but seems to effect Geno and Crash the most. There seems to be a mindset that by coming up with these increasingly farfetched theories as to why you think your character will get in, will somehow make your character get in Smash. The reason why is probably due to Fatmanonice and Papagenos, who take this further than most, which has led to the two of them almost being worshipped in a way. The reason why I and many other people have an issue with this is that it demonstrates a tenuous, even downright delusional grip on reality. Another reason that this might have happened to you guys is that Geno had only appeared in one game, so there genuinely isn't anything else to talk about.
If Geno does get in, which, in all fairness I do believe has a decent chance of happening, the ridiculous theory crafting will have nothing to do with it.

I, personally, have stated many times before that speculation is, in the end, completely meaningless. Whoever's getting into the game has already made the cut. I'm pretty sure nobody here actually believes that by speculating we're actually changing things. I think maybe you're missing the point: It's not "Let me craft a theory to put Geno into the game", but rather, "Geno might be in the game. Let me look for any details that might support that".

While I can't speak for Crash fans, in this thread people have pointed out a ton of tiny details and bits of information that, when taken together, could be used to support the idea that Geno might be coming as DLC some time soon. They could also very well just be a series of coincidences that amount to nothing. It's hardly a "When I connect all the dots, Sakurai will reward me by putting Geno in" situation. All character speculation amounts to looking for potential evidence to back up your character, otherwise it would just be "I wonder if my character is coming." over and over without much in the way of engagement.

 

[StrangeKitten]

I feel like the main problem with this thread is one a lot of Smash fans are a little bit guilty of (I used to post in the Elma thread a lot, but stopped because they do this too), but seems to effect Geno and Crash the most. There seems to be a mindset that by coming up with these increasingly farfetched theories as to why you think your character will get in, will somehow make your character get in Smash. The reason why is probably due to Fatmanonice and Papagenos, who take this further than most, which has led to the two of them almost being worshipped in a way. The reason why I and many other people have an issue with this is that it demonstrates a tenuous, even downright delusional grip on reality. Another reason that this might have happened to you guys is that Geno had only appeared in one game, so there genuinely isn't anything else to talk about.
If Geno does get in, which, in all fairness I do believe has a decent chance of happening, the ridiculous theory crafting will have nothing to do with it.

Can you point to specific examples of people "worshipping" Fatman and Papagenos? Because, quite frankly, I've never understood where people got that impression. Yes, we like their posts and videos, but what about that implies that we worship them?

 

[Griselda]

^ This, too. I hear the whole 'Geno cult led by Fatman' thing pretty often, when in reality it feels like even the people in this thread are after his head at least once a month. Now, some people definitely look up to Fatman and defer to his opinion, but that's just how seniority tends to work. He's been doing this for a very long time, so even if nothing else, he's got more experience and history with Geno support.

 

[Fatmanonice]

"Guys want to know my outside opinion?"

(I wonder if this guy will say something new?)

"Well, you guys are actually a cult led by Papagenos and Fatmanonice and all super delusional but I mean that in the absolute nicest of ways."

Can I at least have my morning coffee first before we start another episode of "Fatman Bad™?"

 

[MattX20]

If Geno is ultimately confirmed to be one of the remaining 4 fighters, I'll be grateful for the end of the "we're delusional" comments. We just like to speculate based on certain bits and pieces of information we get

 

[Enigma735]

Yeah, that's why I just want Geno to be revealed soon. Not because I'm impatient or anything, but moreso because I'm tired of the hate that gets thrown at us and the "delusional" comments. The sooner Geno makes it in, the sooner I don't have to listen to them anymore.

 

[Trevenant]

Based on last pass, Geno is either next or the one after. BK were midway first pass and I think that's a pretty prime time for him idk why but it feels as such.

Just to not dredge up last couple pages would just like to say that while I did make a post a couple of days ago which I feel is somewhat tethered to this. I said that purely on the basis that I saw a high frequency of people just ignoring factors which were going against the less optimal outcome but quickly list off things going in favour of them. I said that obviously it shouldn't be treated like it's doomsday but having an idea of what is going against it instead of just ignoring it can help get a more objective view on things and in quite a lot of cases as it's shown that said person have a more objective view about it and still feel it's likely then they certainly have more reason to be more optimistic. Like I said, hopefully no one here takes smash spec that seriously as it's all for fun at the end of the day and I am literally taking about stuff I saw in a lot of places but they are on the sites that are filled with obnoxious users. 4chan, GFaqs, Twitter, Reddit etc. There is also the fact that when trying to structure arguments towards something and such, realising things going against it can really help in the long run since you can also counteract that counterpoint and just make a better constructed point. It doesn't matter much in the long run.WE

Nothing wrong with optimism and in QQS's case, said optimism is really appreciated since it shows how passionate they are. It's not based on Geno not having a shot since if that were the case then this thread certainly wouldn't be as frequented. I could easily point out tonnes of other users but I'm sure no one can deny that QQS is kind of the front man I that regard since there posts are literally brimming with optimism and passion and that's it. I feel as though sometimes the curb your expectations mentality can sometimes be deflected back onto itself as it can be said that they take the people being optimistic too seriously and I think that's the major problem.

I think those people are equating the generally positive reaction to if Geno became playable and then applying it to the other end of the coin and literally taking all of that and shoving it into the minuses starting at 0 when that's not the case at all. The reason the optimism and the pessimism in this case if he were to be deconfirmed are not equivalent is because the passion shows through the optimistic side and said passion allows people to keep a level mindset including his likelihood and that pretty much allows them to keep it in check and should the worst happen, it would pretty much be down for a couple of hours and that's it, not going to rob a bank to relieve yourself of some stress or something or have it negatively impact the rest of their life.

Due to this, I would just bring up the so close yet so far mentality since people were obviously really hopeful for Geno but it's conversations like this that make it murky to save the least. Never lose sight of the main goal and how close it is considering how like Banjo, Geno is probz in one of the 2 next slots. It's a waiting game yes but not too long. It's pretty much a lot less than a year

 

[Megadoomer]

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The Mario tournament is happening on December 5th, so at least there's a concrete date for that now. Hopefully the large amounts of maintenance scheduled for tomorrow means something as far as a Direct or announcement goes.

 

[Trevenant]

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The Mario tournament is happening on December 5th, so at least there's a concrete date for that now. Hopefully the large amounts of maintenance scheduled for tomorrow means something as far as a Direct or announcement goes.

Thats cool. I don't think it gives much flexibility in terms of a date since we're pretty much only looking at December and now that kind of leaves it between the 1st and the 5th and if not on the VGAs, then yeah whoever is next is going to be waiting till January

 

[AceAttorney9000]

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The Mario tournament is happening on December 5th, so at least there's a concrete date for that now. Hopefully the large amounts of maintenance scheduled for tomorrow means something as far as a Direct or announcement goes.

If they're planning on revealing Geno, Waluigi, or anything else Smash-related before this tournament, we now have roughly three weeks left for it to happen. Not that I think it affects Geno's chances all that much if it doesn't happen, but if that's what they're going for, at least now we have a date to look forward to.

 

[Bobthealligator]

If Geno is ultimately confirmed to be one of the remaining 4 fighters, I'll be grateful for the end of the "we're delusional" comments. We just like to speculate based on certain bits and pieces of information we get

That wasn't my point. If Geno is in the pass, my point still stands. There has been months and months of: Geno is the next character and here's why. I think Geno is probably in, which honestly only makes the theory crafting even dumber from my point of view. It's a way of feeling like you have some control over the Smash team, but you don't.

 

[StrangeKitten]

That wasn't my point. If Geno is in the pass, my point still stands. There has been months and months of: Geno is the next character and here's why. I think Geno is probably in, which honestly only makes the theory crafting even dumber from my point of view. It's a way of feeling like you have some control over the Smash team, but you don't.

Yeah, how dare we theorycraft! Even though nowhere in any of our theories do we suggest or act like we "have some control over the Smash team"; even though we pretty much always say, "This could mean something or it could mean nothing" or we might say "This is pretty tinfoil hat so it's mostly just for fun and should be taken with a grain of salt". Bad Geno thread! Bad!

 

[Bobthealligator]

Yeah, how dare we theorycraft! Even though nowhere in any of our theories do we suggest or act like we "have some control over the Smash team"; even though we pretty much always say, "This could mean something or it could mean nothing" or we might say "This is pretty tinfoil hat so it's mostly just for fun and should be taken with a grain of salt". Bad Geno thread! Bad!

If you have no way of knowing if something says something then it says nothing.

 

[YsDisciple]

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The Mario tournament is happening on December 5th, so at least there's a concrete date for that now. Hopefully the large amounts of maintenance scheduled for tomorrow means something as far as a Direct or announcement goes.

Alrighty then!

Now that we've got the date for the Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary-themed Smash tournament, we've got two potential windows/scenarios for when CP 8 might be revealed.

• CP 8 reveal this upcoming week, with potential release date near the end of November in order for there to be time for the character to be playable on the upcoming tournament (IF CP 8 is Geno).
• CP 8 reveal at TGA 2020, thus following a somewhat consistent pattern of this year's Smash NA Online Open/VS Challenge Cup tournaments (which days after wrapping up, we've had Smash reveals such as Min Min and Steve/Alex).

EDIT: Also, courtesy of the chad Push Dustin, a link portraying the official main four criterias for character selection in Super Smash Bros.

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Actual link -> https://i2.wp.com/www.sourcegaming.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/GDC-Scan-01.png

 

[StrangeKitten]

If you have no way of knowing if something says something then it says nothing.

How dare we speculate! How dare we entertain what-ifs! Bad Geno thread!

 

[MattX20]

So, December the 5th? Okay, we now have a firm timeline for a potential announcement, all of which could transpire before the Game Awards this year. The question now becomes whether or not we'll get something substantial for this week in regards to Smash

 

[StrangeKitten]

We shall indeed see what happens. There's still enough time to reveal and release Geno before the Mario tournament. But if that doesn't happen, don't lose hope! If we also don't see Smash at the Game Awards, at least we probably won't have too much longer to wait. A January reveal and release will be very likely. And keep hope alive if the next character isn't Geno, since he could be the very last character for all we know.

 

[MattOnwheels]

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL! I guess I might as well offer my take on this, er, semi-argument/discussion we're havin'!

Personally? I can't blame people if they want a break! The constant "Something might happen this week, GUUUUUUUUUUYYYYYSSS! I dunnnoooooo~" can get a little repetitive after the billionth time. especially when it involves something finally happening that you've wanted for years. It's natural to have that fatigue and im quite shocked that we would look down on that person for wanting to get some relief when i know good and damn well every one of you at some point or another have wanted it. I can state emphatically that in the star road discord server alone there were people who quit after long enough a bunch of times, and don't even get me started on the melt down after Steve. Hell, I was a part of it and though i quickly got over it (Though i was pretty awful before I did) there was one person in particular that nearly drove himself nuts with defeat. You can make the argument it was his fault for investing hope. but at the end of the day when you're told something is likely to happen enough and it doesn't, yeah! You start feeling hurt and lead on. If someone wants to quit because they fear that happening, they shouldn't be tongue-lashed for it.

We all take speculation to different extremes and there is no right or wrong way to handle it. It's up to the person to decide how much they care to invest in it, and for some of us we invest a lot because, yeah, it's a big deal to us. It might not matter to some of you whether or not it ends up happening, but some of us have faced a lot of personal torment over the fact we want it to happen at all. We're treated awfully, we're bullied, and some of us have even had our personal lives endangered because of it. After enough of that happens, it can't help but become at least slightly personal. Those of us then that choose to finally say enough is enough and walk away owe NOTHING to anyone here.


Look: We all know this is at the end of the day about a video game character and in the grand scheme of things it's unimportant, but in the realm of the subject of games, it absolutely is. These passions get us through the day and represent a part of who we are. We want things we love to be preserved, and Geno is one of those things to people. It matters. None of us would be here - or feel affected enough to have to leave here - if it weren't. People need to respect that instead of acting like their own way of dealing with it is better than anyone else's.

As for me? I'm here. Never left, won't leave. I'm in too deep now. It's just a shame I can't say what's really on my mind a lot of the time because my opinions are so closely tied to my politics (Which i refuse to alter for the sake of anyone's own feeling of "Safeness", but There's also a matter of class and tact to be considered here) so I'll just close by saying these things:

- I want Geno

- I probably want him more than you

- I don't care if you don't like how much I want him

- If you come after me for wanting him, I'm going to make your life a living hell after he gets here

- I will not regret any of my support and reserve the right to be unreasonably angry until I get what i want.

- Apples.

That is all.

 

[xNovaNebulax]

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL! I guess I might as well offer my take on this, er, semi-argument/discussion we're havin'!

Personally? I can't blame people if they want a break! The constant "Something might happen this week, GUUUUUUUUUUYYYYYSSS! I dunnnoooooo~" can get a little repetitive after the billionth time. especially when it involves something finally happening that you've wanted for years. It's natural to have that fatigue and im quite shocked that we would look down on that person for wanting to get some relief when i know good and damn well every one of you at some point or another have wanted it. I can state emphatically that in the star road discord server alone there were people who quit after long enough a bunch of times, and don't even get me started on the melt down after Steve. Hell, I was a part of it and though i quickly got over it (Though i was pretty awful before I did) there was one person in particular that nearly drove himself nuts with defeat. You can make the argument it was his fault for investing hope. but at the end of the day when you're told something is likely to happen enough and it doesn't, yeah! You start feeling hurt and lead on. If someone wants to quit because they fear that happening, they shouldn't be tongue-lashed for it.

We all take speculation to different extremes and there is no right or wrong way to handle it. It's up to the person to decide how much they care to invest in it, and for some of us we invest a lot because, yeah, it's a big deal to us. It might not matter to some of you whether or not it ends up happening, but some of us have faced a lot of personal torment over the fact we want it to happen at all. We're treated awfully, we're bullied, and some of us have even had our personal lives endangered because of it. After enough of that happens, it can't help but become at least slightly personal. Those of us then that choose to finally say enough is enough and walk away owe NOTHING to anyone here.


Look: We all know this is at the end of the day about a video game character and in the grand scheme of things it's unimportant, but in the realm of the subject of games, it absolutely is. These passions get us through the day and represent a part of who we are. We want things we love to be preserved, and Geno is one of those things to people. It matters. None of us would be here - or feel affected enough to have to leave here - if it weren't. People need to respect that instead of acting like their own way of dealing with it is better than anyone else's.

As for me? I'm here. Never left, won't leave. I'm in too deep now. It's just a shame I can't say what's really on my mind a lot of the time because my opinions are so closely tied to my politics (Which i refuse to alter for the sake of anyone's own feeling of "Safeness", but There's also a matter of class and tact to be considered here) so I'll just close by saying these things:

- I want Geno

- I probably want him more than you

- I don't care if you don't like how much I want him

- If you come after me for wanting him, I'm going to make your life a living hell after he gets here

- I will not regret any of my support and reserve the right to be unreasonably angry until I get what i want.

- Apples.

That is all.

right. but heres the tough question...

...

what kind of apples?

i quite like pink ladies.

 

[StrangeKitten]

- Apples.

That is all.

Can it be apple pie? I love apples, but especially if it's apple pie!

 

[MattOnwheels]

right. but heres the tough question...

...

what kind of apples?

i quite like pink ladies.

Apple Records, of course!

 

[StarLight42]

Mario Tournament on the 5th, it’s also happening in the US as well (but they haven’t dated it here yet)
That leaves pretty much 3 weeks until a potential announcement, and puts a lot of pressure on next week if a Mario character is to be announced and released before then

 

[Fatmanonice]

"Speculating on a speculation board is bad."

Remember when speculation and theorycrafting was fun and didn't unironically upset people? Hang in there, comrades. T-minus roughly a year and we'll finally be free.

 

[MattX20]

"Speculating on a speculation board is bad."

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Remember when speculation and theorycrafting was fun and didn't unironically upset people? Hang in there, comrades. T-minus roughly a year and we'll finally be free.

So Fatman, given that we now have a date for the Mario 35th anniversary tournament, that would still potentially line up with some potential Smash news in the near future right?

 

[skydogc]

"Speculating on a speculation board is bad."

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Remember when speculation and theorycrafting was fun and didn't unironically upset people? Hang in there, comrades. T-minus roughly a year and we'll finally be free.

What!? Theory crafting and speculation in my speculation thread!? I didn't sign up for this madness! There should really be a sign or warning somewhere on this speculation/theory thread.
I only come here to see unoriginal reposts, sadness, and memes!
I say this has gone too far. Come on, Master Chief, let's get the **** out of here!

 

[Fatmanonice]

×Long awaited Mario Smash tournament is literally on my 33rd birthday.

 

[Bobthealligator]

Okay, we now have a firm timeline for a potential announcement

This sentence is a blatent contradiction of itself.

 

[xNovaNebulax]

Can it be apple pie? I love apples, but especially if it's apple pie!

OOH OHH!! DITTO ON THAT!!

 

[StarLight42]

This sentence is a blatent contradiction of itself.

How? He says firm timeline for a potential announcement. That means if there was to POTENTIALLY be an announcement before this thing, we know the timeframe in which it would take place.
Not sure how that’s a contradiction.

 

[Megadoomer]

This sentence is a blatent contradiction of itself.

Not really; it just means that if they're going to announce a Mario character in the lead-up to this tournament, we know the latest we'll have to wait for it.

 

[ctt4lfecw]

Nice! Keep my fingers crossed for a Geno reveal before the 5th!

 

[Fatmanonice]

So Fatman, given that we now have a date for the Mario 35th anniversary tournament, that would still potentially line up with some potential Smash news in the near future right?

Like I've been saying, we basically have this week and the first week of December left in 2020 that, historically, have a real shot at significant news so I'm glad the veil has been lifted on the tournament.

Trigger Warning (theorycraft): this also lines up with what ultimately happened with Byleth and Steve. Byleth and Steve had a 12 day gap between their reveal and release and, lo and behold, if we schedule a hypothetical reveal for this coming Thursday and add 12 days, we wind up at December 1st. Coincidentally, this also lines up perfectly with Amiibo theory because the next Amiibo wave is formally next Friday and the gap between Amiibo waves and character releases has, hell of a coincidence, averaged about 12 days. Like I pointed out the other day, yet another coincidence is that Byleth and Steve had Amiibo waves the day after their respective reveals as did Joker and Terry so there's precedent there too. (You may now remove your Theorycraft Thundershirt™).

It just adds more to the pile that this coming week could wind up really good. Guess we'll see.

 

[Paraspikey]

「第5回 #スマブラSPオンラインチャレンジ」、12月5日(土)に開催決定！#スーパーマリオ35周年 にちなんで、ファイター、ステージ、アイテムをほぼスーパーマリオシリーズに限定し、大乱闘形式で開催します。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/qlHXZ07QFI

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) November 15, 2020

I think it's more then possible to get a reveal this month, this upcoming week or the next maybe...

 

[Griselda]

So, in the midst of tossing and turning and melting, I have come to the conclusion that this crazy heat is actually coming from inside me.

Which leads to this question: Is Geno hot? He's got a star inside him. Is magic the only thing keeping him from burning up? Are Mario-universe stars even hot?