I’m... gonna call outboth sides here
CannonStreak
If you want to leave the thread, that’s totally your choice. Hell, i’d say it’s actually a healthy decision if you don’t like how things are playing out currently. There’s been times where I haven’t posted on smashboards for months.
However, your way of going about it has been extremely childish. Did you seriously go rant about us on the Newcomer Thread when you know how much bad blood there is between here and there? Not cool at all man. Least you could do is take a peaceful leave and not go talk about how we‘re delusional and biased or whatever for still thinking Geno has a good chance. Who‘s side are you even on?
I'm sure you're a cool guy SonicSmasher, but this is not okay. I was guilty of this myself.
I'm going to mention names because I don't like having to censor names. Might be wrong for me to do, I apologise, but you've been mentioning names yourself so it's "only fair" I guess.
Drama went down between me and another user (Cutie Gwen) in that same thread. People seem all too happy for Geno to get a deluxe Mii costume. Now as you know, I've always been against that. I don't like the argument because it's always specifically applied to Geno, and no one else, although I'm okay with it if other characters get it - especially the lesser known ones, or ones who never had a chance to begin with (Vault Boy)
Anyways, I don't really like consolation prizes, whereas others are. I get that, I really do.. but I prefer either the full thing.. or just nothing. I don't like a middle-ground, especially after years of support. Is that wrong of me to think? Debatable, really. I just want Geno as well.. Geno. I don't want Geno as "Geno the Mii costume". I'm not a fan of making Sora or Reimu deluxe Mii costumes either, because it feels a disservice to those fanbases. Hence my comment of mii costumes being a "slap in the face" to those fanbases. Obviously I don't think this now, but at the time I did.
When I said this, people called me entitled and spoilt, especially Gwen and DarthEnderX. Gwen was very condescending to me in particular, telling me to "go off I guess" on both my old account and this account when I entered the thread. It's not a nice thing to say to someone else, and it was rightfully called out. Thanks N3ON.
I was essentially kicked from that thread, if I posted more, I would have gotten more flack. I complained about the event in the Social Thread, because this was not the first time this has happened. I saw most of their toxicity first-hand through lurking, and I wanted to complain.
You know the first thing that happened? Shroob called me cowardly, and said I was overreacting. To sum things up, it felt like I was also being kicked out of the Social Thread. Most people there are the same users as in the Newcomer Thread, and sometimes it shows. They were perfectly acceptable with calling out similar toxic behaviour, but as soon as it came to what I said? They looked the other way. Bad double standards showed there, and it was called out like it should have.
I've always felt like the Newcomer thread was full of toxicity, and I never liked it for that reason. Most of the Social threads are toxic, and it's more so a problem with the
users than it is a staff problem - because it was usually the same people, yet no punishments were being done to them. They got off scot-free for their bad behaviour. When I went to report these same users for encouraging and actively partaking in bad behaviour, I was met with a "Report abuse" warning. I've always been a little bitter since then.
It does feels like things are finally starting to change, at least from what I've noticed. The same perpetrators are being punished for being awful people. Good.
Since then, I realized I was going too far with it. I would never hurt anyone in real life, but it wasn't right of me to hold grudges. I dropped my own crusade against that thread. I still don't like that thread, hell I've even blocked myself from viewing it at all - I can't access it, nor see it in the thread list. But I did have a personal vendetta against Gwen and other folks there, and I apologised for it a while back. I don't like them as people, especially Gwen, but I can at least forgive them and move on. It happened.
So why did you do this? Like StarLight said, there is bad blood between the two threads. For good reason, I think. This thread, and that thread, can never get along.
This is an undisputed fact. We just handle things differently.
I completely understand where you're coming from SonicSmasher, because I was guilty of the same thing. But please do not go to a thread that actively hates us and intentionally stir up trouble. Not only is it really scummy to do, but it also promotes thread brigading. This isn't Reddit. But even if it isn't, that kind of behaviour should not be encouraged. I hate it there, and I hate it here. Please keep all drama related to this thread
to this thread, and nowhere else. I'm saying this because despite me dropping my vendetta, I have seen numerous cases of that thread brigading this one, and vice versa. It's a
bad thing to do. I don't think this should be allowed at all on both sides.
Speculation In General Rant
This drama and speculation as a whole, shows how it's not a nice place to be. Gatekeeping, toxicity.. everything you could imagine from the speculation community, is there, not only in the Newcomer thread but everywhere else - Twitter being the prime example.
-ARMs being a "dead game", most of all. The amount of times ARMs fans had to hear this, you'd be rich. I like Min Min and I'm happy she's in. If you're unironically mad about her, seek help - Smash Bandicoot, for example.
-Also unironically saying that characters like "Mr Game & Watch" deserve nothing more than an AT is a gross statement, to me. I saw DarthEnderX say this, and I shook my head.
-Relevancy still being an argument - since when was Banjo relevant?
-Calling characters like Ashley and Shantae "pedo bait" or something akin to "Only pedophiles want them". I think this is why this thread hates GameFAQs in general, and the Newcomer thread is basically GameFAQs in a way. I've always said they were one and the same, they share a similar user base.
I feel so bad for characters like Banjo, Steve and Min Min because they had so much pushback, especially the latter two. I'm happy you got your characters in. You guys deserve it, after all the crap you've been through.
So what can be done? Well, the Smash speculation community deserves a wake-up call. For sure. Videos need to be made, I think. They already have, but they haven't garnered enough attention. This deserves to be called out more. This community by far is the worst community I have ever been in, and that's saying a lot, seeing as I've been in hundreds of others. I have never seen so much drama and toxicity from a game that's supposed to be family-friendly.. to a degree.
It's quite honestly embarrassing, and even disgusting. Everyone on both sides should grow up.
Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on this topic. SonicSmasher, this was not an okay thing to do, and StarLight is 100% right on things making it more difficult for us to forgive you when you talk smack behind our back - not only in the thread, but also in your profile posts. It's a scummy thing to do - I know because I did it. I've been dealt with insults thrown my way because of this similar scenario that you're in now, I've been at the brunt of it.
Again, you are a cool person, but I still feel things should be called out, rather than shoved to the side.
Edit: Geno is such a divisive character as of late. I wonder why? Even in the Smash 4 days, there has never been this much pushback against him. Is it because devoted fanbases are seen as a bad thing nowadays? I've said this in the past, but the Switch brought a lot of toxicity towards Nintendo communities because of it's huge install-base. It's sad, because I loved the Wii U days. People should have supported that console. I did. I personally think it's because of that, that and this weird take of "fans don't deserve anything" or "fans are entitled" comments I've been seeing lately. So many franchises and communities have been through this same song and dance. Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, even Smash has been through it several times. Why is criticism seen as a bad thing nowadays? Or fanbases being happy? Nothing wrong with that. They're your loyal customers.
I blame Twitter, honestly. It's always Twitter, isn't it?
Edit 2: Spoke to Smasher. He meant no harm. He does agree it was a bit scummy to do, but just forgot about the.. bad blood this thread and the Newcomer thread has. I don't blame him for anything, though. He's cool.
I wish our threads could get along, although that ain't happening any time soon. We just aren't compatible, I guess. People there can be so hostile towards us for no good reason, and the same goes for here.