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Not really. Byleth was available with gameplay at simply the right time.
Rex & Pyra were not. People need to stop acting like the development timing was ever good for both. It wasn't just "upcoming game". A month difference can change development time enough to make someone miss out entirely for the actual addition as playable. Timing matters severely.
Sakurai actually noted how the timing was perfect for Byleth, so it wasn't just "latest Fire Emblem character". It was because development had the perfect timing that the Xenoblade game simply did not have. This is basically why it worked out and Sakurai was able to make Byleth work. If Byleth was released too early or too late at that point, he would've veto'd them. Nintendo is also aware of Sakurai's development schedules and how timing matters to a massive degree. They asked for the right character at the right time to make it happen. The bonus was that they came with the weapon triangle, and was probably the biggest thing that made Sakurai find them worth adding(he was going to do due to correct timing, but this made them stand out gameplay wise anyway).
If Three Houses wasn't massively delayed, Byleth would not have gotten in. That's how lucky the timing in itself was. It was developed during the time which Sakurai could outright play the beta and get an idea of how they'd work. This doesn't happen with a ton of characters. This is generally how some 1st party games will go. Others have more unique factors(Isabelle worked because she was easy to remake off of Villager. She wasn't in a great "timing" position either way. She just was a massively popular character on the ballot and the new mascot, so even without a new game coming, she'd have been in for those reasons alone. Now if Villager didn't exist, she'd be in a pickle because she didn't have a moveset to bum from. They would've gotten in first, probably based upon New Horizons' design at that point. Now, Isabelle might've gotten in too at the same time as a semi-clone, but Villager was always the first option due to being the player character and meant to represent the core gameplay. Isabelle is a sweet option, but she's not there for that either. She'd have a different moveset anyway if she wasn't a semi-clone option. Either cause she'd have been a quick echo or based upon her own various things she does. Note that her moveset puts her own personal touch, so it's clear her own personal abilities was still pretty important too, just not as important as the fact she had the wrong body structure, the core reason for her sweet semi-clone status).
Backing up Beth, there is definitely a possibility that the Origami King started as a remake and morphed into something else when it jumped platforms. Lots of games do this where they start off as one idea and morph into something else by the final product. That said Markomaro likely wasn't lying but his information was outdated or it changed without him knowing. For example, Hero at E3 2019. Paragon had info that Hero was supposed to be revealed at the E3 Smash tournament but, when this didn't happen, people burned his ass for it. Almost two months later, Imran Khan backed up that was supposed to happen but nobody knows why Nintendo backed out of the plans.
One thing I want to emphasize on insider info is that it's kind of like a snapshot. You see how things are at a very specific point of time and you're lucky to get updates and follow ups on information. For example, Mii Costume Guy's last update was December. This is why there's been several times this year where insiders have been left with their hands in their pockets about presentations and reveals that were supposed to happen but didn't for some unknown reason.
Backing up Beth, there is definitely a possibility that the Origami King started as a remake and morphed into something else when it jumped platforms. Lots of games do this where they start off as one idea and morph into something else by the final product. That said Markomaro likely wasn't lying but his information was outdated or it changed without him knowing. For example, Hero at E3 2019. Paragon had info that Hero was supposed to be revealed at the E3 Smash tournament but, when this didn't happen, people burned his ass for it. Almost two months later, Imran Khan backed up that was supposed to happen but nobody knows why Nintendo backed out of the plans.
One thing I want to emphasize on insider info is that it's kind of like a snapshot. You see how things are at a very specific point of time and you're lucky to get updates and follow ups on information. For example, Mii Costume Guy's last update was December. This is why there's been several times this year where insiders have been left with their hands in their pockets about presentations and reveals that were supposed to happen but didn't for some unknown reason.
Except an interview with origami king producer Kensuke Tanabe proves they had no intention of going back to the original party system or creating an experience like the old ones, which kind of shoots this whole idea down in one fell swoop.
Origami King was always going to be a new experience, for better or worse. I can’t see a scenario in which it’s “mistaken” for a 3DS port of Paper Mario 1. It doesn’t make sense to me
Don't trust that Markomaro guy, he is simple making some guesses based on other rumours, Imran Khan was the first who reported that Nintendo cancelled some 3DS projects that were planning for 2019/20, he mentioned one of them was a Fire Emblem Remake. Latest N3DS games were low budgets projects, mostly remakes or ports like Luigi's Mansion or Kirby Epic Yarn, so it's easy to guess, that if they would have continued, they would probably be more low effort stuff.
Wario Land VB remake rumour came from a 4chan post that also talked about Wario Ware Gold (that came true) and Zelda Link's Awakening Remake (he stated that was being developed for 3DS and instead got released on Switch, maybe he got old info)
Paper Mario 64 Remake rumour started from one of those Gamexplain guys that predicted on their direct predictions videos of that game for N3DS.
I think that Style Saavy 4 wasn't mentioned everywhere but I think that is also very easy to predict. Last game released at 2017 and I don't think those games required a large development time. I also think its likely it will be released on Switch later this year.
Yeah iirc there were “return to form Paper Mario” rumors outside of what Markomaro said. If he just saw a screenshot of inside the castle during the intro I can understand him thinking it was a remake, but idk.
For example, Hero at E3 2019. Paragon had info that Hero was supposed to be revealed at the E3 Smash tournament but, when this didn't happen, people burned his ass for it. Almost two months later, Imran Khan backed up that was supposed to happen but nobody knows why Nintendo backed out of the plans.
Speaking of Paragon, he seems to be a bit fishy too. Not in a “false info” way, as his info stuffs could still be correct, but did y’all see what Sabi and some Froggit dude (who backed up Sabi) said about him? Supposedly he did to Sabi what the weird competitive Smash players have been doing - or at least, saying weird stuff to him through discord.
I’m not really sure about it either; it is Sabi, but apparently others saw it too...idk.
It seems the tweet about it is gone now, though; I can’t find it. I think Froggit is the one who posted it, so I guess he decided to delete it for some reason...
...God, I just want Geno in Smash at this point. Then I can finally sleep and maybe not wake up already exhausted for once. I already have no idea how you guys like Fatman have been doing this for so long, and I'm not even really a part of the 'Geno scene', am I?
Yeah iirc there were “return to form Paper Mario” rumors outside of what Markomaro said. If he just saw a screenshot of inside the castle during the intro I can understand him thinking it was a remake, but idk.
Speaking of Paragon, he seems to be a bit fishy too. Not in a “false info” way, as his info stuffs could still be correct, but did y’all see what Sabi and some Froggit dude (who backed up Sabi) said about him? Supposedly he did to Sabi what the weird competitive Smash players have been doing - or at least, saying weird stuff to him through discord.
I’m not really sure about it either; it is Sabi, but apparently others saw it too...idk.
It seems the tweet about it is gone now, though; I can’t find it. I think Froggit is the one who posted it, so I guess he decided to delete it for some reason...
Froggit is a neo nazi and known troll and I wouldn't trust anything he says. Had some brief interactions with him last year:
Pretty much the entire Forest Maze staff was able to back up not only Paragon's innocence but the fact Froggit has a long and disturbing history of doing stuff like this, getting banned multiple times in the process.
Pretty much the entire Forest Maze staff was able to back up not only Paragon's innocence but the fact Froggit has a long and disturbing history of doing stuff like this, getting banned multiple times in the process.
Oh, okay, cool - except for Froggit, of course, that’s not cool of him. When I first saw the tweet, I looked in the replies, and yeah I saw the nazi hat stuff/what one or two other users said to him regarding that. I thought maybe it was some weird dark humor, but yeah what he said and this doesn’t make him look good at all.
I thought Sabi was probably faking it, as I remember the stuff surrounding him regarding throwing others under the bus and stuff (and lying about things for clout), but y’know, I didn’t want to assume right away.
...God, I just want Geno in Smash at this point. Then I can finally sleep and maybe not wake up already exhausted for once. I already have no idea how you guys like Fatman have been doing this for so long, and I'm not even really a part of the 'Geno scene', am I?
A lot of it is just being involved in a lot of other stuff. I study multiple languages, I'm very involved in my community, I have a full vegetable/herb garden, marriage is practically a hobby in itself if you take it seriously, I cook almost daily, I run a Halloween Facebook group with my wife, etc. Growing up, my parents told me that your childhood and teen years were supposed to be the best years of your life and I grew to resent that sentiment because it felt like waiting for death starting in your 20's. During the Brawl days, Smash speculation and video games were practically my only real hobbies and part of why things felt so crushing because I had dedicated years of my free time towards the "Geno campaign." Another reason was that I turned 20 shortly before Brawl came out and I unironically thought I was coming towards the end of the "good" part of my life because I was told up until that point that adulthood was terrible for the most part. I also thought Brawl was going to be my "last video game" because "real adults don't play videogames ®" and that was super depressing too. By the time Smash 4 speculation rolled around, I learned that adulthood is actually pretty groovy if you bother to develop yourself and have a life outside of work so that's honestly what keeps me anchored.
Not really. Byleth was available with gameplay at simply the right time.
Rex & Pyra were not. People need to stop acting like the development timing was ever good for both. It wasn't just "upcoming game". A month difference can change development time enough to make someone miss out entirely for the actual addition as playable. Timing matters severely.
Sakurai actually noted how the timing was perfect for Byleth, so it wasn't just "latest Fire Emblem character". It was because development had the perfect timing that the Xenoblade game simply did not have. This is basically why it worked out and Sakurai was able to make Byleth work. If Byleth was released too early or too late at that point, he would've veto'd them. Nintendo is also aware of Sakurai's development schedules and how timing matters to a massive degree. They asked for the right character at the right time to make it happen. The bonus was that they came with the weapon triangle, and was probably the biggest thing that made Sakurai find them worth adding(he was going to do due to correct timing, but this made them stand out gameplay wise anyway).
If Three Houses wasn't massively delayed, Byleth would not have gotten in. That's how lucky the timing in itself was. It was developed during the time which Sakurai could outright play the beta and get an idea of how they'd work. This doesn't happen with a ton of characters. This is generally how some 1st party games will go. Others have more unique factors(Isabelle worked because she was easy to remake off of Villager. She wasn't in a great "timing" position either way. She just was a massively popular character on the ballot and the new mascot, so even without a new game coming, she'd have been in for those reasons alone. Now if Villager didn't exist, she'd be in a pickle because she didn't have a moveset to bum from. They would've gotten in first, probably based upon New Horizons' design at that point. Now, Isabelle might've gotten in too at the same time as a semi-clone, but Villager was always the first option due to being the player character and meant to represent the core gameplay. Isabelle is a sweet option, but she's not there for that either. She'd have a different moveset anyway if she wasn't a semi-clone option. Either cause she'd have been a quick echo or based upon her own various things she does. Note that her moveset puts her own personal touch, so it's clear her own personal abilities was still pretty important too, just not as important as the fact she had the wrong body structure, the core reason for her sweet semi-clone status).
Hear hear, this be a good point. As much as Byleth may have been a lame way to end the pass for many, as I have said before and others have explained, Fire Emblem has so many characters due to a perfect storm of circumstances.
was the original and was added because in Melee Sakurai added more characters by making clones (as also seen with Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link, and Ganondorf).
Brawl had with the newly added because his games were recent (and luckily Ike is a unique character who is popular to boot).
Then we have Smash 4, where people consider things got crazy. In the original roster, there was and (these two being back was celebrated since they were both popular and unique). Then Sakurai added in and . Robin was definitely a good pick because he came from the critically-acclaimed, franchise-saving Awakening (and had a unique moveset to boot). Lucina, like Roy in Melee, was just added to pad out the roster. People gave Lucina and Dark Pit grief, but as Sakurai explained, they were bonuses that didn't take space. They either wouldn't been there as skins with no extra characters, or clones. 4 Fire Emblem characters in Smash 4 with one clone seems totally fine to me. It was just like Melee.
Smash 4 DLC is when things started to sour. Roy being brought back was fine because people wanted veterans back, so he was kind of grandfathered in. However, ruined it all I think. I said in a post I made recently, but I hate to jump on the Fire Emblem hate wagon (because it is honestly played out and I like the series). However, Corrin was a bad, hollow choice for Smash. You all know the story with him. Now, gets hate, but unlike Corrin, Three Houses had been out for a while and was a critical and commercial darling. Three Houses was a huge hit so Byleth being included, while admittedly still a little bit of a shill, felt more genuine because the game Byleth was from was loved. Corrin is the opposite of that and you all know the story.
In the end, "Everyone Is Here" was amazing but it also showed people how Fire Emblem could have used more diversity. Unfortunately, while being included was cool because he was popular and shafted in Smash 4, he was also the 7th Fire Emblem character and people were burned on the franchise in Smash after Corrin. So then Byleth was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, based off of notoriety, legacy, and moveset, Marth, Ike, Robin, Byleth, and Lyn should be the current Fire Emblem fighters (with maybe an Echo in the form of Lucina or Chrom). I think Fire Emblem shouldn't get hate as a franchise due to its inclusion in Smash (that's silly because it isn't the franchise's fault), but I agree it does have a few too many fighters. However, people should remember that there are only that many due to timing and a specific set of circumstances.
A lot of it is just being involved in a lot of other stuff. I study multiple languages, I'm very involved in my community, I have a full vegetable/herb garden, marriage is practically a hobby in itself if you take it seriously, I cook almost daily, I run a Halloween Facebook group with my wife, etc. Growing up, my parents told me that your childhood and teen years were supposed to be the best years of your life and I grew to resent that sentiment because it felt like waiting for death starting in your 20's. During the Brawl days, Smash speculation and video games were practically my only real hobbies and part of why things felt so crushing because I had dedicated years of my free time towards the "Geno campaign." Another reason was that I turned 20 shortly before Brawl came out and I unironically thought I was coming towards the end of the "good" part of my life because I was told up until that point that adulthood was terrible for the most part. I also thought Brawl was going to be my "last video game" because "real adults don't play videogames ®" and that was super depressing too. By the time Smash 4 speculation rolled around, I learned that adulthood is actually pretty groovy if you bother to develop yourself and have a life outside of work so that's honestly what keeps me anchored.
Yeah, I remember I was pretty disappointed with Brawl lacking Geno at the time and wrote a letter to Sakurai/Nintendo at the time expressing my disappointment.
I’ve been kind of up and down on Geno’s chances lately.
But I still believe he will be in still supporting him till the end.
Even if he’s just a Mii Costume as this point I will be here backing our puppet boy here’s hoping to seeing him soon cause I do believe he will be arriving soon.
Hear hear, this be a good point. As much as Byleth may have been a lame way to end the pass for many, as I have said before and others have explained, Fire Emblem has so many characters due to a perfect storm of circumstances.
was the original and was added because in Melee Sakurai added more characters by making clones (as also seen with Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link, and Ganondorf).
Brawl had with the newly added because his games were recent (and luckily Ike is a unique character who is popular to boot).
Then we have Smash 4, where people consider things got crazy. In the original roster, there was and (these two being back was celebrated since they were both popular and unique). Then Sakurai added in and . Robin was definitely a good pick because he came from the critically-acclaimed, franchise-saving Awakening (and had a unique moveset to boot). Lucina, like Roy in Melee, was just added to pad out the roster. People gave Lucina and Dark Pit grief, but as Sakurai explained, they were bonuses that didn't take space. They either wouldn't been there as skins with no extra characters, or clones. 4 Fire Emblem characters in Smash 4 with one clone seems totally fine to me. It was just like Melee.
Smash 4 DLC is when things started to sour. Roy being brought back was fine because people wanted veterans back, so he was kind of grandfathered in. However, ruined it all I think. I said in a post I made recently, but I hate to jump on the Fire Emblem hate wagon (because it is honestly played out and I like the series). However, Corrin was a bad, hollow choice for Smash. You all know the story with him. Now, gets hate, but unlike Corrin, Three Houses had been out for a while and was a critical and commercial darling. Three Houses was a huge hit so Byleth being included, while admittedly still a little bit of a shill, felt more genuine because the game Byleth was from was loved. Corrin is the opposite of that and you all know the story.
In the end, "Everyone Is Here" was amazing but it also showed people how Fire Emblem could have used more diversity. Unfortunately, while being included was cool because he was popular and shafted in Smash 4, he was also the 7th Fire Emblem character and people were burned on the franchise in Smash after Corrin. So then Byleth was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, based off of notoriety, legacy, and moveset, Marth, Ike, Robin, Byleth, and Lyn should be the current Fire Emblem fighters (with maybe an Echo in the form of Lucina or Chrom). I think Fire Emblem shouldn't get hate as a franchise due to its inclusion in Smash (that's silly because it isn't the franchise's fault), but I agree it does have a few too many fighters. However, people should remember that there are only that many due to timing and a specific set of circumstances.
Funny thing is Chrom was given a lot more leeway due to the echo status. Not even Lucina was that lucky. Marth, Roy(original entry, not nearly as much for 4), Ike, and Robin were reasonably taken well. Though Robin got some negative feedback simply for not being Chrom. Made worse when Lucina, who was an Echo, got in(despite unique circumstances, guess how many people care?). It's a mess.
I feel bad for the series. I mean, sure, I don't mind if every series got trimmed down. I'd only remove the clones at best(that includes Echoes) if anything, and Roy may be unique enough to stay(otherwise I'd just remove all clones overall. The only issue is you have to make exceptions anyway. Luigi has no business being cut, despite being a semi-clone to this day. Jigglypuff is more acceptable, same with Lucas. And then you have Falco who would make more sense to cut than Wolf, despite both being derived from Fox. It's a mess. You either make exceptions or don't, and some of the "more unique clones" still get shafted. You kind of get the idea of how ridiculous it is now...).
I think my favorite one is misunderstanding how hard it would've been to add any other possible clones in 4. Who was left plausible? Pikmin & Alph? The only option was Rock Pikmin, which require an all new model and animations, as well as new properties, to work. Only Dr. Mario got something major, and that's due to being a veteran as is. The rest got simplistic updates to do it. And we know the Pikmin are just as important as the Captain. It's only crazy how the whole idea of Rock Pikmin came about. We don't know if it was directly an idea for Alph or just in general or mainly for Olimar. Would Alph be split off without Rock Pikmin either? Who knows. Maybe? He can be easily, due to tons of unique animations, but when you realize the Pikmin are literally a core part of the character, they will always be taken into account anyway. And that's just the only other one considered in Smash 4 we know of. Maybe Daisy was already on Sakurai's mind(but Dr. Mario took priority so he just shrugged at her as an idea at the time and gave no real consideration. Similar to how he considered James Bond, but possibly less thought).
If this person is believed to be accurate then tomorrow should be another day to look forward to. I doubt it’s Paper Mario again given how we got two trailers already. So maybe a presentation announced for this week?
Not only that, we also have another spirit event to look forward to tomorrow. Since Min Min is out, I’m curious if they will finally release new spirits or continue to recycle base spirits.
If this person is believed to be accurate then tomorrow should be another day to look forward to. I doubt it’s Paper Mario again given how we got two trailers already. So maybe a presentation announced for this week?
If it's Direct-related or even just a Smash presentation, it'll likely be an announcement in advance for a Direct/presentation on either Wednesday or Thursday this week.
I am not sure about these "leaks" or "rumors" or what not on the timing of things. However, even with delays caused by Corona and what not, it's still at least possibility a fighter will at least be revealed either this month or next ... let's look at the numbers/dates:
July 2019 - behind the scenes information that really leans towards Fighter Pass 2 being green lit.
September 2019 - Fighter's Pass two, or at least confirmation of more DLC for Smash is confirmed.
November 2019 - final fighter for Pass 1 is revealed, the shill pick, and gives us the official Fighter's Pass 2.
April 2020 - quick announcement that first fighter is from ARMS series.
June 2020 (towards end of the month mind you) - Min Min is revealed and released, first FP2 is shown and revealed.
That's a LOOOOONG time span for the new DLC. Either which way it "officially" started, you are looking at a 8 - 10 month span from the start of it. Even with the Virus stuff, it really shouldn't affect the REVEAL of the next fighter. The release could be affected due to the pandemic, but the reveal doesn't have that "excuse." (I am using that term VERY loosely.)
EDIT: I would like to add I am not trying to be ignorant, or an "entitled" person expecting Smash stuff, it just would seem strange to wait until September for just a reveal. Not a release. I understand this pandemic has cause major upheavals, heck, I've been affected by it ... but we are talking about a REVEAL, not a release. We know these kinds of things are done in advanced ... so if the lockdown for Japan was in May ... we are talking about a couple of months (May till now) compared to July/September to the end of April. We know the team works on multiple fighter at a time, or at least staggers them since it would take years and years to complete the DLC if they worked on fighters one at a time ... which is beyond inefficient.
What if instead of getting a Direct on July 7, Nintendo pulls a Paper Mario: Origami King and randomly drops a reveal trailer for Geno in Smash out of nowhere without any warning? If Nintendo REALLY wants to be clever in the event Geno is in fact CP7, then I could see them doing this.
I am not sure about these "leaks" or "rumors" or what not on the timing of things. However, even with delays caused by Corona and what not, it's still at least possibility a fighter will at least be revealed either this month or next ... let's look at the numbers/dates:
July 2019 - behind the scenes information that really leans towards Fighter Pass 2 being green lit.
September 2019 - Fighter's Pass two, or at least confirmation of more DLC for Smash is confirmed.
November 2019 - final fighter for Pass 1 is revealed, the shill pick, and gives us the official Fighter's Pass 2.
April 2020 - quick announcement that first fighter is from ARMS series.
June 2020 (towards end of the month mind you) - Min Min is revealed and released, first FP2 is shown and revealed.
That's a LOOOOONG time span for the new DLC. Either which way it "officially" started, you are looking at a 8 - 10 month span from the start of it. Even with the Virus stuff, it really shouldn't affect the REVEAL of the next fighter. The release could be affected due to the pandemic, but the reveal doesn't have that "excuse." (I am using that term VERY loosely.)
EDIT: I would like to add I am not trying to be ignorant, or an "entitled" person expecting Smash stuff, it just would seem strange to wait until September for just a reveal. Not a release. I understand this pandemic has cause major upheavals, heck, I've been affected by it ... but we are talking about a REVEAL, not a release. We know these kinds of things are done in advanced ... so if the lockdown for Japan was in May ... we are talking about a couple of months (May till now) compared to July/September to the end of April. We know the team works on multiple fighter at a time, or at least staggers them since it would take years and years to complete the DLC if they worked on fighters one at a time ... which is beyond inefficient.
The long waiting period between Byleth and Min Min has likely (and hopefully) given them enough time to get Fighter 7 (and possibly Fighter 8 as well) into a presentable state and ready to be revealed (not released, just revealed). I'll be more surprised if we don't get anything Smash-related until September.
That is the hope. Best case scenario would be this upcoming week, but I don't think it will. Even though I will lose my mind if it is on 7/7 because...all the coincidences would line up.
I have been doing well! Trying to be more active since I have been mostly lurking these last couple of months.
While the 7/7 would be really interesting. Nintendo hasn't really shown to care about numbers lining up to showcase a character before. That's more something I would expect from Netherealm and Ed Boon as that is something they would do. Nintendo though seems more content to release something when they are good and ready, and not try to match specific dates. That said it is possible Geno could be revealed if a July direct happens, so you never know. Sakurai and Nintendo can be unpredictable at times.
I think a Nintendo direct is 90% likely for the month of July. Given that most insiders seem to think so, and Nintendo is running out of time to let its audience know its plans for the rest of 2020 and beyond. Also Nintendo will have some fierce competition this coming winter holiday as both Sony and Microsoft are bringing out their heavy hitters. Im sure Nintendo wants to at least make some profit this upcoming winter holiday so they will need to let people know what they plan to release in order to compete. So for now we just have to wait and see what they will do.
Im glad you are doing well my friend. It's good to hear you are more active, I think your thoughts on things are really interesting.
I don't feel in the least that it's 'entitled' for people to expect a company to put out information about a product that they're asking money for. I mean, there's obviously no call for sending the team threats or anything (which I don't think anyone is even doing) but hasn't even Sakurai made statements about not feeling good about charging people for a Pass without being able to tell them up front what's in it?
One thing I feel should be added to this tinfoil hat theory (reposting the comment I left on the video): The Tanabata Festival involves writing your wishes on colorful pieces of paper and affixing them to the branches of a small bamboo tree. Geno inhabits a body made of what appears to be wood and has what appear to be two orange paper curls for hair.
While the 7/7 would be really interesting. Nintendo hasn't really shown to care about numbers lining up to showcase a character before. That's more something I would expect from Netherealm and Ed Boon as that is something they would do. Nintendo though seems more content to release something when they are good and ready, and not try to match specific dates. That said it is possible Geno could be revealed if a July direct happens, so you never know. Sakurai and Nintendo can be unpredictable at times.
I don't think anyone here honestly believes we'll get Geno revealed on 7/7, I mean I'm sure as hell not holding my breath. That said, it's a fun thing to talk about.
Papa goes bring up a good point I don't think we've considered yet: we're already 1/4th of the way of the timeline through Season 2 if Sakurai means to pull the plug by New Years 2022. Even if you low ball things at literally 3 characters a year, this still heavily suggests that 7 would have been announced by now if you split characters into 4 month intervals: two months between announcements and then a two month wait for the character. Season 2 was formally announced in January but we didn't actually get Min Min until almost July. Based on this "ideal" 3 a year character model, we're already halfway through 7's waiting period for release but there's no announcement.
If we were to adjust this, however, this model could technically still be kept if 7 was announced in July and released in September. A small adjust that would need to happen for this to work is that the gap between 7 and 8 would need to be shorter, 8 being announced no later than October to theoretically still be out by 2021. Since we currently have strong evidence for a September release anyways, I think this might actually hold up and be what we see happening anyways.
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Been a long time since I’ve been here, late March to be more exact. It’s taken until now for us Smash fans to get hit with a whole hell of a lot of information, and with everything that has happened and the talks about what could happen, I have decided to return from my slumber.
Before I give my opinion on anything else, I want to clarify something: yes, I am returning from my slumber, and the statement means exactly what it sounds like.
For some of the goons who praised my ban both here and on Star Road Discord Server, I requested my own ban. I have the receipts to prove it and should anyone question it and demand receipts I will deliver them, but just know I would never lie to you.
Now you may ask “Why on earth would you ask to be banned?” Well, sometimes people truly know their vices and you need to pick your battles. Basically, I came here everyday and in my frustration of seeing people not actually read posts and spread misinformation, I could not resist the compulsion to call it out. It got to the point where all I was doing was sassily loud-typing at people about how they were wrong about my opinion or the situation and I’d honestly just got sick of it because the situation never changed. I knew that I couldn’t resist the urge, so knowing that if I couldn’t respond I would lose interest, I requested Venus to ban me until I asked her to undo it after we got real Smash news.
Within about a week I stopped coming back here, and in about two I forgot all about this place. Honestly, my life has improved a lot, and I’m still my sassy debating self, so I can only assume it was the environment here rather than myself that needed a change. Not sure what it’s like here now, but I still don’t plan to be very active until Geno is revealed so I guess for me it doesn’t really matter if things are better here or not.
Speaking of Geno in the Geno Thread, I will get to talking about that beloved blue puppet boi here soon enough, but first I want to cover other Smash news in terms of my opinion. If you only care about my thoughts on Geno, that will come last so feel free to scroll down there as it’s my trait to get wordy.
So first things first, let’s talk about the new character, Min Min!
Since I wasn’t here for speculation before her release, let me be honest and open about my thoughts: I really thought that only Spring Man had a chance in the case of a single character as opposed to another Hero situation. My logic was that Smash is still made by businesses, and the logical business maneuver is to take the face of your game and have them playable first, and this is something Smash has always done since the beginning up until now...but that doesn’t make this a ‘broken fan rule’ as I will explain shortly.
Hero was very unique, as there wasn’t a single character they could truly pick to represent the franchise of Dragon Quest as a whole and have it go over perfectly well. Thus, the incredibly intelligent decision was made to have multiple Heroes as alternates to properly represent the series and it’s popularity in every region. Because of how ARMS had many popular characters but only two that rose above the others, I was so sure that we would get that same deal as Hero with Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara and Min Min. I was wrong about the character, but I wasn’t wrong about ‘face of the game’ or mascot or leading character, whichever terms suits you best.
In the presentation, Sakurai admitted that Kosuke Yabuki (Producer of ARMS) preferred Min Min, which we’ve heard it rumored before with Greninja and Incineroar that a higher executive wanting the character has had some impact on Sakurai’s decision, but at the end of the day Sakurai still gets the final say even with Nintendo. Sakurai himself said he already thought of making it her or Ninjara, who seems like Sakurai’s personal favorite though we can’t confirm that. What is interesting is that when Sakurai brought up Spring Man, two things happened that I didn’t expect:
Sakurai confirmed that the producer and the ARMS team don’t see any one character as the de facto mascot of the game, though this can easily change now with Min Min.
Sakurai never expressed that Spring Man couldn’t happen because he was already an Assist Trophy, but rather it seemed as if he was in fact on the table at some point but Min Min ended up winning out.
For the first, this means that if there is no ‘leading character’ or ‘mascot’ for a game and popularity for multiple characters, things can go many ways. This doesn’t mean that down the line it will always be like this, but rather that both Hero and Min Min were special scenarios. I would still expect ‘mascots’ of a game to get in first down the line, IE Coco or Apu Apu won’t get into Smash before Crash. Thus, if anyone tells you ‘mascot character first fan rule broken’ just remember this really isn’t a fan rule as it is a common business practice used by companies that have multiple characters they own. Hell, Terry Bogard being in so many things recently and ESPECIALLY genderbent to be in an all-female cast as well as Haohmaru in SC6 is more proof of this.
On the second, I find it fascinating that Spring Man was in consideration despite being an Assist Trophy, but not because of the concept but because Sakurai did all but admit it himself on camera. It was always a dumb fan rule to think things can’t change because of what was already in the game at launch from the moment DLC was introduced to Smash Bros, but Min Min being a Spirit and becoming playable as well as Spring Man being considered despite being an AT is a huge boon for those who couldn’t pierce through the thin veil setup by 4chan and GameFAQs users.
As for Min Min as a character, I think she’s the perfect choice. She is very faithful to her game, she is the most popular female character and overall the most popular character from the game, she’s a cute Chinese girl who loves her some ramen, Spring Stadium looks like an absolute blast, ARMS music ****ing slaps and her reveal trailer was amazing. Captain Falcon and Kirby were amazing picks for that trailer. I can’t wait to try her out when I get a Switch because she’s just so different from anything else. In addition, the new Amiibo are confirmed and they look fantastic, and this means all future DLC characters will get Amiibo...which means (say it with me)....GENO AMIIBO! I loved how the Spirits team flexed on us so hard and how Sakurai dropped knowledge on us that hardcore Smash fans, including myself, already knew about and how they got the VA for Captain Falcon back just to do eating noises. Sakurai continues to deliver yet again.
Now, we get onto the really sad Smash news: all these pro players getting called out for the disgusting behaviors they had done in the past.
On a personal note, I watched Nairo about everyday and almost the same with Zero, and I was a big fan of D1. Needless to say, I was very caught off guard when this all came out and I was heavily disappointed but personally I am fine. Much like when Byleth and an ARMS rep were announced, I basically got over it in a day or so, just in case any of you were worried about me and my mental state. As a person that respects well-delivered dark humor, I’m already cracking jokes about these scumbags, which is a good way to tell I’m in a good mental state.
You all know me (most of you anyway) and you all know that I have ideals that don’t always agree with the masses, but that I’m also not afraid to speak my mind. As far as this situation goes, all I can say is that we need to breathe and recover the competitive scene over time, but we personally need to be careful and smart about all this.
Cancel Culture is a thing, we’ve proven it here in the past couple weeks with all the careers that are now most definitely over. It’s a modern weapon that has been developed to remove nasty people from positions we feel they shouldn’t have, but we have all seen how it’s been used inappropriately. Having kept tabs on this situation, there has been a fair share of allegations thrown out. There have been admittances of guilt, and there have been denials that have ended in admittance, but we also have those who are wholly resisting this and claiming false allegations. As someone who has gone through 1FOW1 and Infiltration as well as seeing what happened with ProJared, we need to be careful who we dogpile on and how fast we do it.
Victims need to be heard for sure, but people do lie about horrible things for dark reasons. Nasty people should be called out and punished, but innocents shouldn’t be caught in the crossfire. I have no doubt this runs even a bit deeper than we have seen thus far, but let us be careful with this weapon that we wield, especially since it’s all on the internet and evidence outside of testimonials tends to be more scarce than not.
That said, I want to encourage everyone to keep their chins up and not let this get them down about Smash Bros. I see a lot of people saying they ‘failed Sakurai’ or to ‘cancel the DLC, we don’t deserve it’ or ‘Smash as a community is over’ when it couldn’t be further from the truth. Even if every single name I’ve seen is guilty, that's still a fraction of the Pro Smash Community...and the Pro Smash Community is an even smaller fraction of the whole Smash Community. This is more akin to a dog shaking off some fleas, just that these fleas are really big fleas that have been on this dog’s back for a long time. Those horrible people don’t represent all of any part of the community, and they certainly don’t represent Smash.
We will make it through this stronger and better than we were before, it will just take time to heal these wounds of trust and idolatry as well as to rebuild and restructure. If you ever stop playing Smash, I pray it never be because of this.
Now, for what many of us care so much about: Geno!
So, there is much discussion right now about dates like the 6th and the 14th due to one HotGirlVideos69 as well as general suspicion of the month of July due to credible sources all around and I must say, it all does sound spicy. People are all hyped up because Min Min opens the door to so many picks to the general public who believed in Spirits deconfirming, and Smash speculation is in a good place right now.
Honestly, I love it. I think this is healthy, and while I don’t expect too much in the way of Smash this month myself (though I am always hopeful) I do get the feeling Nintendo has something up their sleeves for us. If this comes off as negative I apologize, but I encourage all of you to keep your hopes up, and here’s why.
There is absolutely no ****ing way Geno doesn’t get into this game in this pass.
I know, this sounds SO very bold and brash considering how I could never be sure, coming from the guy who always says ‘only official when Nintendo says so’ but it’s just too good right now for us Geno bros.
Think about all the evidence, both direct and circumstantial that is in Geno’s favor. Think about how common his name is brought up within Smash circles. Think about how nothing is in Sakurai’s way to bring closure yet another long chapter. Think about how almost everyone in the speculation circle on YouTube thinks he’s a lock. Think about how the one obstacle he never really had was just shattered by a girl with noodles for arms. Guys, Geno was TRENDING ON TWITTER with 6,000+ comments the day of the Min Min’s reveal and her Fighter Spirit has got haters sounding like bad beatboxers trying to come up with real reasons as to why Geno still can’t get in.
It’s just SO much welling up that it just feels right in my bones to say Geno is coming to us so soon.
THE BLUE PUPPET MAN COMETH~!
All we have to do now is bide our time, and in the near future, we will all fly into the sun together and rejoice as we do Geno challenges, admire our Geno Amiibos, have silly Geno mirror matches, enjoy Geno content on social media and weekly get together to watch BestGuyEver’s Geno video when it releases to celebrate our victory.
This pretty much covers it all, but I wanted to share you such an awesome moment I had with a SMRPG Randomizer run just to prove a point.
You can’t make this stuff up my bros, ya just can’t.
He's coming. Just y'all wait and see.4
Oh, also heya Fatmanonice
and AugustusB
and others who I frequented with around here but don't remember at the moment.
Papa goes bring up a good point I don't think we've considered yet: we're already 1/4th of the way of the timeline through Season 2 if Sakurai means to pull the plug by New Years 2022. Even if you low ball things at literally 3 characters a year, this still heavily suggests that 7 would have been announced by now if you split characters into 4 month intervals: two months between announcements and then a two month wait for the character. Season 2 was formally announced in January but we didn't actually get Min Min until almost July. Based on this "ideal" 3 a year character model, we're already halfway through 7's waiting period for release but there's no announcement.
If we were to adjust this, however, this model could technically still be kept if 7 was announced in July and released in September. A small adjust that would need to happen for this to work is that the gap between 7 and 8 would need to be shorter, 8 being announced no later than October to theoretically still be out by 2021. Since we currently have strong evidence for a September release anyways, I think this might actually hold up and be what we see happening anyways.
Just watch: Sakurai isn't going to announce anything until next September. He'll announce the characters early in the month, and release them on the last possible day of each month, with the final character being released a couple hours to midnight on New Year's Eve.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WHAT’S GOOOD MY GENO BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS~!
Been a long time since I’ve been here, late March to be more exact. It’s taken until now for us Smash fans to get hit with a whole hell of a lot of information, and with everything that has happened and the talks about what could happen, I have decided to return from my slumber.
Before I give my opinion on anything else, I want to clarify something: yes, I am returning from my slumber, and the statement means exactly what it sounds like.
For some of the goons who praised my ban both here and on Star Road Discord Server, I requested my own ban. I have the receipts to prove it and should anyone question it and demand receipts I will deliver them, but just know I would never lie to you.
Now you may ask “Why on earth would you ask to be banned?” Well, sometimes people truly know their vices and you need to pick your battles. Basically, I came here everyday and in my frustration of seeing people not actually read posts and spread misinformation, I could not resist the compulsion to call it out. It got to the point where all I was doing was sassily loud-typing at people about how they were wrong about my opinion or the situation and I’d honestly just got sick of it because the situation never changed. I knew that I couldn’t resist the urge, so knowing that if I couldn’t respond I would lose interest, I requested Venus to ban me until I asked her to undo it after we got real Smash news.
Within about a week I stopped coming back here, and in about two I forgot all about this place. Honestly, my life has improved a lot, and I’m still my sassy debating self, so I can only assume it was the environment here rather than myself that needed a change. Not sure what it’s like here now, but I still don’t plan to be very active until Geno is revealed so I guess for me it doesn’t really matter if things are better here or not.
Speaking of Geno in the Geno Thread, I will get to talking about that beloved blue puppet boi here soon enough, but first I want to cover other Smash news in terms of my opinion. If you only care about my thoughts on Geno, that will come last so feel free to scroll down there as it’s my trait to get wordy.
So first things first, let’s talk about the new character, Min Min!
Since I wasn’t here for speculation before her release, let me be honest and open about my thoughts: I really thought that only Spring Man had a chance in the case of a single character as opposed to another Hero situation. My logic was that Smash is still made by businesses, and the logical business maneuver is to take the face of your game and have them playable first, and this is something Smash has always done since the beginning up until now...but that doesn’t make this a ‘broken fan rule’ as I will explain shortly.
Hero was very unique, as there wasn’t a single character they could truly pick to represent the franchise of Dragon Quest as a whole and have it go over perfectly well. Thus, the incredibly intelligent decision was made to have multiple Heroes as alternates to properly represent the series and it’s popularity in every region. Because of how ARMS had many popular characters but only two that rose above the others, I was so sure that we would get that same deal as Hero with Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara and Min Min. I was wrong about the character, but I wasn’t wrong about ‘face of the game’ or mascot or leading character, whichever terms suits you best.
In the presentation, Sakurai admitted that Kosuke Yabuki (Producer of ARMS) preferred Min Min, which we’ve heard it rumored before with Greninja and Incineroar that a higher executive wanting the character has had some impact on Sakurai’s decision, but at the end of the day Sakurai still gets the final say even with Nintendo. Sakurai himself said he already thought of making it her or Ninjara, who seems like Sakurai’s personal favorite though we can’t confirm that. What is interesting is that when Sakurai brought up Spring Man, two things happened that I didn’t expect:
Sakurai confirmed that the producer and the ARMS team don’t see any one character as the de facto mascot of the game, though this can easily change now with Min Min.
Sakurai never expressed that Spring Man couldn’t happen because he was already an Assist Trophy, but rather it seemed as if he was in fact on the table at some point but Min Min ended up winning out.
For the first, this means that if there is no ‘leading character’ or ‘mascot’ for a game and popularity for multiple characters, things can go many ways. This doesn’t mean that down the line it will always be like this, but rather that both Hero and Min Min were special scenarios. I would still expect ‘mascots’ of a game to get in first down the line, IE Coco or Apu Apu won’t get into Smash before Crash. Thus, if anyone tells you ‘mascot character first fan rule broken’ just remember this really isn’t a fan rule as it is a common business practice used by companies that have multiple characters they own. Hell, Terry Bogard being in so many things recently and ESPECIALLY genderbent to be in an all-female cast as well as Haohmaru in SC6 is more proof of this.
On the second, I find it fascinating that Spring Man was in consideration despite being an Assist Trophy, but not because of the concept but because Sakurai did all but admit it himself on camera. It was always a dumb fan rule to think things can’t change because of what was already in the game at launch from the moment DLC was introduced to Smash Bros, but Min Min being a Spirit and becoming playable as well as Spring Man being considered despite being an AT is a huge boon for those who couldn’t pierce through the thin veil setup by 4chan and GameFAQs users.
As for Min Min as a character, I think she’s the perfect choice. She is very faithful to her game, she is the most popular female character and overall the most popular character from the game, she’s a cute Chinese girl who loves her some ramen, Spring Stadium looks like an absolute blast, ARMS music ****ing slaps and her reveal trailer was amazing. Captain Falcon and Kirby were amazing picks for that trailer. I can’t wait to try her out when I get a Switch because she’s just so different from anything else. In addition, the new Amiibo are confirmed and they look fantastic, and this means all future DLC characters will get Amiibo...which means (say it with me)....GENO AMIIBO! I loved how the Spirits team flexed on us so hard and how Sakurai dropped knowledge on us that hardcore Smash fans, including myself, already knew about and how they got the VA for Captain Falcon back just to do eating noises. Sakurai continues to deliver yet again.
Now, we get onto the really sad Smash news: all these pro players getting called out for the disgusting behaviors they had done in the past.
On a personal note, I watched Nairo about everyday and almost the same with Zero, and I was a big fan of D1. Needless to say, I was very caught off guard when this all came out and I was heavily disappointed but personally I am fine. Much like when Byleth and an ARMS rep were announced, I basically got over it in a day or so, just in case any of you were worried about me and my mental state. As a person that respects well-delivered dark humor, I’m already cracking jokes about these scumbags, which is a good way to tell I’m in a good mental state.
You all know me (most of you anyway) and you all know that I have ideals that don’t always agree with the masses, but that I’m also not afraid to speak my mind. As far as this situation goes, all I can say is that we need to breathe and recover the competitive scene over time, but we personally need to be careful and smart about all this.
Cancel Culture is a thing, we’ve proven it here in the past couple weeks with all the careers that are now most definitely over. It’s a modern weapon that has been developed to remove nasty people from positions we feel they shouldn’t have, but we have all seen how it’s been used inappropriately. Having kept tabs on this situation, there has been a fair share of allegations thrown out. There have been admittances of guilt, and there have been denials that have ended in admittance, but we also have those who are wholly resisting this and claiming false allegations. As someone who has gone through 1FOW1 and Infiltration as well as seeing what happened with ProJared, we need to be careful who we dogpile on and how fast we do it.
Victims need to be heard for sure, but people do lie about horrible things for dark reasons. Nasty people should be called out and punished, but innocents shouldn’t be caught in the crossfire. I have no doubt this runs even a bit deeper than we have seen thus far, but let us be careful with this weapon that we wield, especially since it’s all on the internet and evidence outside of testimonials tends to be more scarce than not.
That said, I want to encourage everyone to keep their chins up and not let this get them down about Smash Bros. I see a lot of people saying they ‘failed Sakurai’ or to ‘cancel the DLC, we don’t deserve it’ or ‘Smash as a community is over’ when it couldn’t be further from the truth. Even if every single name I’ve seen is guilty, that's still a fraction of the Pro Smash Community...and the Pro Smash Community is an even smaller fraction of the whole Smash Community. This is more akin to a dog shaking off some fleas, just that these fleas are really big fleas that have been on this dog’s back for a long time. Those horrible people don’t represent all of any part of the community, and they certainly don’t represent Smash.
We will make it through this stronger and better than we were before, it will just take time to heal these wounds of trust and idolatry as well as to rebuild and restructure. If you ever stop playing Smash, I pray it never be because of this.
Now, for what many of us care so much about: Geno!
So, there is much discussion right now about dates like the 6th and the 14th due to one HotGirlVideos69 as well as general suspicion of the month of July due to credible sources all around and I must say, it all does sound spicy. People are all hyped up because Min Min opens the door to so many picks to the general public who believed in Spirits deconfirming, and Smash speculation is in a good place right now.
Honestly, I love it. I think this is healthy, and while I don’t expect too much in the way of Smash this month myself (though I am always hopeful) I do get the feeling Nintendo has something up their sleeves for us. If this comes off as negative I apologize, but I encourage all of you to keep your hopes up, and here’s why.
There is absolutely no ****ing way Geno doesn’t get into this game in this pass.
I know, this sounds SO very bold and brash considering how I could never be sure, coming from the guy who always says ‘only official when Nintendo says so’ but it’s just too good right now for us Geno bros.
Think about all the evidence, both direct and circumstantial that is in Geno’s favor. Think about how common his name is brought up within Smash circles. Think about how nothing is in Sakurai’s way to bring closure yet another long chapter. Think about how almost everyone in the speculation circle on YouTube thinks he’s a lock. Think about how the one obstacle he never really had was just shattered by a girl with noodles for arms. Guys, Geno was TRENDING ON TWITTER with 6,000+ comments the day of the Min Min’s reveal and her Fighter Spirit has got haters sounding like bad beatboxers trying to come up with real reasons as to why Geno still can’t get in.
It’s just SO much welling up that it just feels right in my bones to say Geno is coming to us so soon.
THE BLUE PUPPET MAN COMETH~!
All we have to do now is bide our time, and in the near future, we will all fly into the sun together and rejoice as we do Geno challenges, admire our Geno Amiibos, have silly Geno mirror matches, enjoy Geno content on social media and weekly get together to watch BestGuyEver’s Geno video when it releases to celebrate our victory.
This pretty much covers it all, but I wanted to share you such an awesome moment I had with a SMRPG Randomizer run just to prove a point.
You can’t make this stuff up my bros, ya just can’t.
He's coming. Just y'all wait and see.4
Oh, also heya Fatmanonice
and AugustusB
and others who I frequented with around here but don't remember at the moment.
I really wish that this Tiffany user say about something 7/6 and 7/14 is true which means it could be Smash. I know we just got Min Min released but technically Nintendo told ARMS since March and Min Min was revealed in June so it’s like a two part reveal to me. We’re now 7 months into the year and only 1 fighter is revealed. I know the pandemic happened but still, it feels like they’re behind on reveals and we know they work on multiple fighters at a time. For all I care about, they could announce Fighter 7 shadow drop on twitter in July and release the fighter in September.
YOOOOOO ForsakenM
!!! Welcome back to the fray, my friend! I am honored to be named in your return post lol. Always enjoyed your posts (even if I skimmed from time to time...)
Truly...it is wild to see Geno in the best spot he has EVER been in...well, FOREVER.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WHAT’S GOOOD MY GENO BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS~!
Been a long time since I’ve been here, late March to be more exact. It’s taken until now for us Smash fans to get hit with a whole hell of a lot of information, and with everything that has happened and the talks about what could happen, I have decided to return from my slumber.
Before I give my opinion on anything else, I want to clarify something: yes, I am returning from my slumber, and the statement means exactly what it sounds like.
For some of the goons who praised my ban both here and on Star Road Discord Server, I requested my own ban. I have the receipts to prove it and should anyone question it and demand receipts I will deliver them, but just know I would never lie to you.
Now you may ask “Why on earth would you ask to be banned?” Well, sometimes people truly know their vices and you need to pick your battles. Basically, I came here everyday and in my frustration of seeing people not actually read posts and spread misinformation, I could not resist the compulsion to call it out. It got to the point where all I was doing was sassily loud-typing at people about how they were wrong about my opinion or the situation and I’d honestly just got sick of it because the situation never changed. I knew that I couldn’t resist the urge, so knowing that if I couldn’t respond I would lose interest, I requested Venus to ban me until I asked her to undo it after we got real Smash news.
Within about a week I stopped coming back here, and in about two I forgot all about this place. Honestly, my life has improved a lot, and I’m still my sassy debating self, so I can only assume it was the environment here rather than myself that needed a change. Not sure what it’s like here now, but I still don’t plan to be very active until Geno is revealed so I guess for me it doesn’t really matter if things are better here or not.
Speaking of Geno in the Geno Thread, I will get to talking about that beloved blue puppet boi here soon enough, but first I want to cover other Smash news in terms of my opinion. If you only care about my thoughts on Geno, that will come last so feel free to scroll down there as it’s my trait to get wordy.
So first things first, let’s talk about the new character, Min Min!
Since I wasn’t here for speculation before her release, let me be honest and open about my thoughts: I really thought that only Spring Man had a chance in the case of a single character as opposed to another Hero situation. My logic was that Smash is still made by businesses, and the logical business maneuver is to take the face of your game and have them playable first, and this is something Smash has always done since the beginning up until now...but that doesn’t make this a ‘broken fan rule’ as I will explain shortly.
Hero was very unique, as there wasn’t a single character they could truly pick to represent the franchise of Dragon Quest as a whole and have it go over perfectly well. Thus, the incredibly intelligent decision was made to have multiple Heroes as alternates to properly represent the series and it’s popularity in every region. Because of how ARMS had many popular characters but only two that rose above the others, I was so sure that we would get that same deal as Hero with Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara and Min Min. I was wrong about the character, but I wasn’t wrong about ‘face of the game’ or mascot or leading character, whichever terms suits you best.
In the presentation, Sakurai admitted that Kosuke Yabuki (Producer of ARMS) preferred Min Min, which we’ve heard it rumored before with Greninja and Incineroar that a higher executive wanting the character has had some impact on Sakurai’s decision, but at the end of the day Sakurai still gets the final say even with Nintendo. Sakurai himself said he already thought of making it her or Ninjara, who seems like Sakurai’s personal favorite though we can’t confirm that. What is interesting is that when Sakurai brought up Spring Man, two things happened that I didn’t expect:
Sakurai confirmed that the producer and the ARMS team don’t see any one character as the de facto mascot of the game, though this can easily change now with Min Min.
Sakurai never expressed that Spring Man couldn’t happen because he was already an Assist Trophy, but rather it seemed as if he was in fact on the table at some point but Min Min ended up winning out.
For the first, this means that if there is no ‘leading character’ or ‘mascot’ for a game and popularity for multiple characters, things can go many ways. This doesn’t mean that down the line it will always be like this, but rather that both Hero and Min Min were special scenarios. I would still expect ‘mascots’ of a game to get in first down the line, IE Coco or Apu Apu won’t get into Smash before Crash. Thus, if anyone tells you ‘mascot character first fan rule broken’ just remember this really isn’t a fan rule as it is a common business practice used by companies that have multiple characters they own. Hell, Terry Bogard being in so many things recently and ESPECIALLY genderbent to be in an all-female cast as well as Haohmaru in SC6 is more proof of this.
On the second, I find it fascinating that Spring Man was in consideration despite being an Assist Trophy, but not because of the concept but because Sakurai did all but admit it himself on camera. It was always a dumb fan rule to think things can’t change because of what was already in the game at launch from the moment DLC was introduced to Smash Bros, but Min Min being a Spirit and becoming playable as well as Spring Man being considered despite being an AT is a huge boon for those who couldn’t pierce through the thin veil setup by 4chan and GameFAQs users.
As for Min Min as a character, I think she’s the perfect choice. She is very faithful to her game, she is the most popular female character and overall the most popular character from the game, she’s a cute Chinese girl who loves her some ramen, Spring Stadium looks like an absolute blast, ARMS music ****ing slaps and her reveal trailer was amazing. Captain Falcon and Kirby were amazing picks for that trailer. I can’t wait to try her out when I get a Switch because she’s just so different from anything else. In addition, the new Amiibo are confirmed and they look fantastic, and this means all future DLC characters will get Amiibo...which means (say it with me)....GENO AMIIBO! I loved how the Spirits team flexed on us so hard and how Sakurai dropped knowledge on us that hardcore Smash fans, including myself, already knew about and how they got the VA for Captain Falcon back just to do eating noises. Sakurai continues to deliver yet again.
Now, we get onto the really sad Smash news: all these pro players getting called out for the disgusting behaviors they had done in the past.
On a personal note, I watched Nairo about everyday and almost the same with Zero, and I was a big fan of D1. Needless to say, I was very caught off guard when this all came out and I was heavily disappointed but personally I am fine. Much like when Byleth and an ARMS rep were announced, I basically got over it in a day or so, just in case any of you were worried about me and my mental state. As a person that respects well-delivered dark humor, I’m already cracking jokes about these scumbags, which is a good way to tell I’m in a good mental state.
You all know me (most of you anyway) and you all know that I have ideals that don’t always agree with the masses, but that I’m also not afraid to speak my mind. As far as this situation goes, all I can say is that we need to breathe and recover the competitive scene over time, but we personally need to be careful and smart about all this.
Cancel Culture is a thing, we’ve proven it here in the past couple weeks with all the careers that are now most definitely over. It’s a modern weapon that has been developed to remove nasty people from positions we feel they shouldn’t have, but we have all seen how it’s been used inappropriately. Having kept tabs on this situation, there has been a fair share of allegations thrown out. There have been admittances of guilt, and there have been denials that have ended in admittance, but we also have those who are wholly resisting this and claiming false allegations. As someone who has gone through 1FOW1 and Infiltration as well as seeing what happened with ProJared, we need to be careful who we dogpile on and how fast we do it.
Victims need to be heard for sure, but people do lie about horrible things for dark reasons. Nasty people should be called out and punished, but innocents shouldn’t be caught in the crossfire. I have no doubt this runs even a bit deeper than we have seen thus far, but let us be careful with this weapon that we wield, especially since it’s all on the internet and evidence outside of testimonials tends to be more scarce than not.
That said, I want to encourage everyone to keep their chins up and not let this get them down about Smash Bros. I see a lot of people saying they ‘failed Sakurai’ or to ‘cancel the DLC, we don’t deserve it’ or ‘Smash as a community is over’ when it couldn’t be further from the truth. Even if every single name I’ve seen is guilty, that's still a fraction of the Pro Smash Community...and the Pro Smash Community is an even smaller fraction of the whole Smash Community. This is more akin to a dog shaking off some fleas, just that these fleas are really big fleas that have been on this dog’s back for a long time. Those horrible people don’t represent all of any part of the community, and they certainly don’t represent Smash.
We will make it through this stronger and better than we were before, it will just take time to heal these wounds of trust and idolatry as well as to rebuild and restructure. If you ever stop playing Smash, I pray it never be because of this.
Now, for what many of us care so much about: Geno!
So, there is much discussion right now about dates like the 6th and the 14th due to one HotGirlVideos69 as well as general suspicion of the month of July due to credible sources all around and I must say, it all does sound spicy. People are all hyped up because Min Min opens the door to so many picks to the general public who believed in Spirits deconfirming, and Smash speculation is in a good place right now.
Honestly, I love it. I think this is healthy, and while I don’t expect too much in the way of Smash this month myself (though I am always hopeful) I do get the feeling Nintendo has something up their sleeves for us. If this comes off as negative I apologize, but I encourage all of you to keep your hopes up, and here’s why.
There is absolutely no ****ing way Geno doesn’t get into this game in this pass.
I know, this sounds SO very bold and brash considering how I could never be sure, coming from the guy who always says ‘only official when Nintendo says so’ but it’s just too good right now for us Geno bros.
Think about all the evidence, both direct and circumstantial that is in Geno’s favor. Think about how common his name is brought up within Smash circles. Think about how nothing is in Sakurai’s way to bring closure yet another long chapter. Think about how almost everyone in the speculation circle on YouTube thinks he’s a lock. Think about how the one obstacle he never really had was just shattered by a girl with noodles for arms. Guys, Geno was TRENDING ON TWITTER with 6,000+ comments the day of the Min Min’s reveal and her Fighter Spirit has got haters sounding like bad beatboxers trying to come up with real reasons as to why Geno still can’t get in.
It’s just SO much welling up that it just feels right in my bones to say Geno is coming to us so soon.
THE BLUE PUPPET MAN COMETH~!
All we have to do now is bide our time, and in the near future, we will all fly into the sun together and rejoice as we do Geno challenges, admire our Geno Amiibos, have silly Geno mirror matches, enjoy Geno content on social media and weekly get together to watch BestGuyEver’s Geno video when it releases to celebrate our victory.
This pretty much covers it all, but I wanted to share you such an awesome moment I had with a SMRPG Randomizer run just to prove a point.
You can’t make this stuff up my bros, ya just can’t.
He's coming. Just y'all wait and see.4
Oh, also heya Fatmanonice
and AugustusB
and others who I frequented with around here but don't remember at the moment.
Don't forget about the absolute UNITthat is the long-winded zoomer, AdamBel (unless you forgot me, then in that case R.I.P.)
Good to have ya back dude! I was wondering where you were. You came at a good time, as morale is pretty high in here. (As for me, I've been trying to keep up morale by showing fanart I've been finding and stupid memes I make.) Some of the past frequents have become less frequent, but we got some new lads and lassies in here so that's always good. Glad to have another long-winded compadré back in full force here!
I made a past post waxing poetic about this, but yeah, Geno is definitely coming. So many things are lining up for him that we don't even need out there theories/speculation to justify his good chances. I even bet money against my brother that he'd come in Vol. 2! (It was only $10, but I'm scrupulous with my money, so that's how confident I am.)
Welcome back ForsakenM
! It truly does feel like Geno's moments. "The stars have aligned!"
Just thought that it's funny many are aware of the coincidences of the number seven coming up on July 7th, with the next Challenger Pack to be announced being #7, for the character #77, it's such a coincidence that it beckons disbelief. Watch Sakurai pull a reverse psychology trick on us and be like "ah, you thought that announcing Challenger Pack 7 on July 7th would be neat, yet you refused to believe but, lo and behold here we are. Here's Geno".
Another idea that came to mind was that... what if all this time, Nintendo threw us the hint? By hint I mean the shadow dropped announcement of Paper Mario: The Origami King back in June. Albeit in recent years the Paper Mario franchise has drifted away from the more traditional elements of its first two games in the series, Paper Mario is the rebranding of what was once known as Super Mario RPG. What if the mere fact that Paper Mario: TOK is real and is coming in about two weeks, is the Geno-signal that's been lighting the sky these nights and we just haven't realized it because we're focused on expecting some news of SMRPG dropping on the SNES NSO Library, or other "coincidences"? Again, this is just humble speculation. Fascinating... isn't it?
Now, we get onto the really sad Smash news: all these pro players getting called out for the disgusting behaviors they had done in the past.
[CUT FOR BREVITY]
I feel like I'm alone on this, but an I the only one who simply can't muster up any ****s to give about this whole fiasco? Now don't get me wrong, it's not because they didn't do anything wrong, they (or at least the ones that are proven to have done something wrong) obviously did. But after all of the MeToo **** we've been dealing with since about 2016-2018, more specifically all of the catastrophic misses that have left innocent people scorned as pariahs and/or stripped of all employment, I just find myself feeling so... numb to it all.
Now sure, it helps that I didn't care for most of the people being outed (except RelaxAlax, but even then it doesn't hurt me much) and I don't give two ****s about the "competitive Smash community" beyond the video content they produce and the occasional cool combos. But at the same time I feel that, given the sheer scope of and scale of the controversy, I should be feeling so much more outraged about it than I actually am. Hell, even the memes aren't doing it for me, and as an edgy boy myself, memes based off of dark or tragic situations are almost always hilarious to me, or at least the good ones.
I'm feeling very weird about the 7th. A star festival where people write down wishes on the 7th day of the 7th month, wherein we could get the 77th Smash Bros character, as part of Challenger Pack #7 is all a little too
well
all I'm saying is that if Geno was intended to be shown at E3 and they had to cancel their plans, moving his reveal to that day would be kind of cute, wouldn't it?
We'll know by tomorrow afternoon what's ahead, anyway
Has anything "lined up" more for a Smash character ever than Geno right now? I don't think even Issac during the Grinch Leak or pre E3 whispers of Banjo made it this perfect.
was the original and 
