Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Fatmanonice]

AdamBel731 Markomaro has proven he knows things even if they're not 100% accurate. He broke the Metroid and Paper Mario story before anyone else and he was correct on the Mystery Dungeon remake. He's kind of like Mii Costume Guy: someone who has made a lot of claims but only a handful have come to fruition so far. People like to dunk on him because of dates but, as this year has proven, knowing when things are actually going to happen is borderline impossible because Nintendo has changed a lot of their plans with little notice. In my opinion, he is someone worth paying attention to.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

He also answered me about the fighters pass
""Yeah...relax about that...don't expect next character until late in the year even if they can announce it before summer is finished."
https://twitter.com/Newmarkomaro/status/1279813465574604802
We not getting the character any time soon during a time like this? Who would have thought?

He's clearly speculating in that particular tweet. He doesn't know and neither do you

 

[AdamBel731]

He also answered me about the fighters pass
""Yeah...relax about that...don't expect next character until late in the year even if they can announce it before summer is finished."
https://twitter.com/Newmarkomaro/status/1279813465574604802
We not getting the character any time soon during a time like this? Who would have thought?

(Yeah I just edited that in along with his third post, thanks for the heads up!)

Honestly, I have 0 idea what will happen with Fighter #7. I know Fatman and some others in the thread were thinking a July announcement at some point, but it's just so hard to predict Nintendo at this point.

 

[Enigma735]

markomaro just posted some more possible hints of Nintendo's upcoming plans.

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Also some potentially bad news in regards to what we've been speculating...

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Is this guy actually credible? Apologies if we've talked about this before, but as with any supposed "insider/leaker", I see debates on the legitimacy of this guy. Fatmanonice , you have some inside scoops and seem to have a good ear to the pulse, whaddya say, do you think this guy has any merit?

About Markomaro's Smash tweet, he honestly sounds like he is just speculating and doesn't definitively know for sure when we will get CP7. I think he is just trying to lower people's expectations.

At the latest, however, I can see CP7 getting revealed in September.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I've felt an August announcement for the character at the earliest seems likely, though I still could see it in July with the possible direct.

September seems way too long to me, especially as they're trying to get out 6 characters by 2021.

 

[AdamBel731]

AdamBel731 Markomaro has proven he knows things even if they're not 100% accurate. He broke the Metroid and Paper Mario story before anyone else and he was correct on the Mystery Dungeon remake. He's kind of like Mii Costume Guy: someone who has made a lot of claims but only a handful have come to fruition so far. People like to dunk on him because of dates but, as this year has proven, knowing when things are actually going to happen is borderline impossible because Nintendo has changed a lot of their plans with little notice. In my opinion, he is someone worth paying attention to.

I see. That makes sense I suppose. Oh, but what do you think about his comments on the Smash DLC? It sounds like he's speculating more than a definitive prediction, but nevertheless I'm sure you have some Fatman insight™

 

[Icewolff92]

About Markomaro's Smash tweet, he honestly sounds like he is just speculating and doesn't definitively know for sure when we will get CP7. I think he is just trying to lower people's expectations.

Or it could be that most if not all are first-party and (if there are third parties at all) they are planned for the latter part of the pass And yes I´m more on Twitter nowadays because I have my co-workers there (writing for WOBAM among do some pod recording here and there)

 

[Fatmanonice]

I've been watching the Polish site that accidentally leaked the next Amiibo wave and, given the dates are still the same, I think it's locked in. Every single DLC for Ultimate has been paired with an Amiibo wave with their release so we know that "someone" is getting released in September. Amiibo Theory has been 7 for 7 so far so something so trivial has by far been our most reliable predictor to this point.

 

[YsDisciple]

To be fair in regards to the Smash DLC bit, within the first Fighters Pass' cycle, CP 2 and 3 were revealed both in June, and released on late July and early September respectively. Factoring in the delays this year on Fighters Pass Vol. 2, it would still follow Markomaro's wording with the potential announcement of two challenger packs (7 and 8) around mid or late July, and they'd release in later months (maybe August, September, October?).

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I've felt an August announcement for the character at the earliest seems likely, though I still could see it in July with the possible direct.

September seems way too long to me, especially as they're trying to get out 6 characters by 2021.

Don't forget that the deadline is December of 2021 for the 2nd Fighter's Pass so wanting until August or September doesn't seem too far fetched when we waited 4 to 5 months from Joker to Hero and from Terry to Byleth.

 

[Fatmanonice]

We No Speak Americano

Sorry, mate. As a smelly American, I often forget that English isn't everyone's first language and that there's a ton of people from Europe and Latin/South America here. It's a recent meme where you change something singular to plural because communism believes in shared ownership in public works and the like. For example: Myspace becomes "Ourspace" or meme becomes "weme." It's just a dumb little thing that's popular at the moment.

 

[MrJudd]

markomaro just posted some more possible hints of Nintendo's upcoming plans.

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Also some potentially bad news in regards to what we've been speculating...

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Is this guy actually credible? Apologies if we've talked about this before, but as with any supposed "insider/leaker", I see debates on the legitimacy of this guy. Fatmanonice , you have some inside scoops and seem to have a good ear to the pulse, whaddya say, do you think this guy has any merit?

I'm going to break down his posts with my thoughts:
- "Nintendo will give an update soon about what is coming to Switch in late Q3 and Q4" -> Now we have a third person talking about a possible showcase, and considering how journalists and other insiders haven't talked about it yet + uncertainty about dates, I think it will take at least a week for the update to happen. July 14th BABY [insert it's happening gif here]
- "Besides Paper Mario, IS has at least 2 more games in development for 2021" -> That caught me off guard at first, but it would make sense: IS always has one team working on Paper Mario, one on Fire Emblem and also sneaks some projects in between (such as Codename S.T.E.A.M).
- "No More Heroes 3 likely coming in Q1 2021, NMH 1 and 2 are coming eventually." -> I would be surprised if they weren't brought over.
- "Metroid will be a good way to start 2021 - Pokemon Snap Nov 20th 2020 (internal date ATM)" -> I think Metroid was pushed to 2021, hence so many references to an announcement but nothing happened. I don't expect it in January, so the question is: February or March?
- "Since Pikmin 3 original plans are mess up they plan to reveal everything at the same time (yes multiple surprises about Pikmin are coming)" -> Pikmin 4 has such a weird dev cycle, makes sense if Pikmin 3 must bridge the gap until 4 is out.
- "Likely no retail game on August, 28th maybe?" -> That's what I was expecting anyways, because of the 2 month retail cycle that's needed. The only way for an August retail release right now is if it's announced tomorrow.
- "Nintendo will start being aggressive from Sept 11" -> A Mario Game is releasing this day, but will it be 3D World or Mushroom Kingdom Collection
- "Mostly Mario games as big hits on Sept and Nov" -> If this is true, I'll give more credence to Mario Kart 9 happening: I don't think we need one since 8 Deluxe already satiates that need. But it could something else...
- "E3 reveals to 2021 will have a second chance in September." -> In recent years, Nintendo always divided the next year announcements between the E3 and September Directs, so this isn't something new: just that proportions will be weighted more towards the Direct after this one.
- "You will know about Zelda before summer is over" -> Expected, but the lack of time window in his post strikes me as really odd: why not just say 2021, since everyone thinks that's when it will come out? Unless, they haven't decided if they want to release this year or not? March 2021 makes more sense to me, but I wouldn't mind a December 2020 release (Plus, it would break everyone's minds if it happened). However, it could also mean that it will still take a long while...
- "Bravely, Late Sept" -> Kinda doubtful on that, since the time between their "Feedback Demo" and release is almost a year: Mid October would make more sense to me on this one.
- "From Nintendo? i will say 2 as much.... " (When talking about original releases) -> This is to be expected, considering what was talked about before and during this pandemic, though it's anyone's guess in my opinion on what those are, but I wouldn't count eShop releases in this parameters. But the amount may also be wrong, so I would wait and see on this statement,
- "Yeah...relax about that...don't expect next character until late in the year even if they can announce it before summer is finished." (When talking about Smash) -> I think he's talking about the next character's release and September would be kinda late in the year, so it's nothing we don't already expect. Announcements will happen anyways since a Direct is happening, so nothing to worry about right now...

In general, it was mostly realistic observations about possible timeframes, but I don't expect it to happen exactly like he says. He does have insider information, but it's sometimes outdated.

 

[Vector Victor]

I've felt an August announcement for the character at the earliest seems likely, though I still could see it in July with the possible direct.

September seems way too long to me, especially as they're trying to get out 6 characters by 2021.

And how Sakurai has repeatedly said that despite some set backs, they are still on schedule and its going well.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

I think Markomaro did something with this before, complete with saying not to expect any Smash reveals in a previous statement on what he expected from a Direct around that time. If I remember that correctly, I'd say he is just speculating.

 

[MisterMike]

markomaro just posted some more possible hints of Nintendo's upcoming plans.

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Also some potentially bad news in regards to what we've been speculating...

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Is this guy actually credible? Apologies if we've talked about this before, but as with any supposed "insider/leaker", I see debates on the legitimacy of this guy. Fatmanonice , you have some inside scoops and seem to have a good ear to the pulse, whaddya say, do you think this guy has any merit?

>Nintendo will start being aggressive from Sept 11th

I've been watching the Polish site that accidentally leaked the next Amiibo wave and, given the dates are still the same, I think it's locked in. Every single DLC for Ultimate has been paired with an Amiibo wave with their release so we know that "someone" is getting released in September. Amiibo Theory has been 7 for 7 so far so something so trivial has by far been our most reliable predictor to this point.

So if that's the alleged release date, and we're usually given about 1-2 months in between reveal and release...
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... LADS.

 

[StarLight42]

I’m not sure why we’re still paying attention to Markomaro. I struggle to even come up with what he’s gotten right because he’s gotten so much wrong.

I also don’t think he deserves credit for Paper Mario at all. That series gets a new entry once every four years on average so it was an easy prediction ON TOP of the fact that he said it was going to be a Paper Mario 64 remake since day 1 when from a hindsight perspective I highly doubt Nintendo wants to touch that game.

 

[Blankiturayman]

I think the next character releasing late into the year, the tail end or so (last 3 months) makes enough sense, we're already more than halfway through it anyway. But having it announced this month or the next seems pretty plausible too, I'd imagine we'd already know about it if stuff like E3 presentations had not been cancelled. Nintendo's mentioned they're on schedule too, so I suppose we could see something in the coming months. Of course, that's all just guessing; just going to wait and see personally.

 

[Theguy123]

Still waiting on that paper mario 64 remake he said that was happening.

 

[pinshadow]

Markomaro is pretty damn inconsistent though, I remember him saying that Pikmin 3, Style Savey 4, and Prime Trilogy were meant to be early 2020 releases. If you read through his tweets theres JUST enough there on point where it seems legitimate but also a bunch of stuff that hasn't/never panned out. It's not really worth paying attention to him seriously at the moment.

Also the idea that Nintendo would wait until near the end of Summer to even announce the character when they were meant to be at E3 is silly. Nintendo Announced Mewtwo and Joker like 4-6 months before they released with nothing but a 3D Model and an anime trailer just to keep the hype machine going. Christ when Min-Min got pushed back they still chose to reveal it as "An ARMS rep" just to keep the community satiated. I don't think we are going to be waiting that much longer.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Some thoughts on the new Markomaro stuff:

Pikmin: The more that time has gone by, the more I believe the Prime Collection, 3D World HD, and Pikmin 3 Deluxe were always meant to be "companions" to other releases and why we've been hearing these games since 2018. Metroid Prime 4 got nuked and started from scratch and Pikmin 4 is a Miyamoto project so you know it's going to take ****in' forever and the dude is notorious for delaying games as short out in advance as two months. Pikmin 3 meaning to be an appetizer for Pikmin 4 would not surprise me at all at this point.

Intelligent Systems working on 2 more projects: One is most definitely the Fire Emblem 6/7 Remaster because it's yet another one of those Nintendo rumors that has reached critical mass. It's either real and it's just a matter of when or it's total bull**** and a ton of people, including myself who first heard it last September I believe, were hard bamboozled. Not sure what the other one could be. It could be MOAR Fire Emblem for all we know. Supposedly Advance Wars was meant to get a mobile game but, given Nintendo's recent statements, they probably nuked the project and maaaaaaaaaybe decided to make it a full fledged game. No clue.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Still waiting on that paper mario 64 remake he said that was happening.

Wait... WHAT?!!!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Wait... WHAT?!!!

It's not what the leaker said. They said a new game similar to Paper Mario 64(or more specifically, like the first two Paper Mario games). Considering you can see partners and equipment, it's definitely got a similar vibe. It's easy to mistake something like that to being closer to the first two games. It depends exactly what you see and that means the information you get from other insiders/sources and such will be a bit misleading.

Remember when Vergeben wasn't sure if Isabelle was an echo or a semi-clone? That makes sense. His source lacked clear data on it. It's the exact same case here.

 

[Fatmanonice]

It's not what the leaker said. They said a new game similar to Paper Mario 64(or more specifically, like the first two Paper Mario games). Considering you can see partners and equipment, it's definitely got a similar vibe. It's easy to mistake something like that to being closer to the first two games. It depends exactly what you see and that means the information you get from other insiders/sources and such will be a bit misleading.

Remember when Vergeben wasn't sure if Isabelle was an echo or a semi-clone? That makes sense. His source lacked clear data on it. It's the exact same case here.

This. Getting 100% accurate information is incredibly hard. For example, Mii Costume Guy. He largely just sent people lists with little or no explanations to WTF they were supposed to be. This is why when anybody does leaks that are super detailed, describing things like Final Smashes or their entire moveset, it's bull****. It's often a game of telephone and, more often than not, it's a matter of you don't get much of a say in the information you actually get.

 

[Icewolff92]

I would not be suprised if Nintendo is silent about new stuff until Paper Mario is released concidering it is not that far off until the game is releasing and all.

 

[StarLight42]

It's not what the leaker said. They said a new game similar to Paper Mario 64(or more specifically, like the first two Paper Mario games). Considering you can see partners and equipment, it's definitely got a similar vibe. It's easy to mistake something like that to being closer to the first two games. It depends exactly what you see and that means the information you get from other insiders/sources and such will be a bit misleading.

Remember when Vergeben wasn't sure if Isabelle was an echo or a semi-clone? That makes sense. His source lacked clear data on it. It's the exact same case here.

No, this is false.



While I see your point, this is still false. Marko was 100% on the “Paper Mario 64 remake” bandwagon since the day he began mentioning Paper Mario. He never once said “a game like Paper Mario 64”. It was always stated to be a remake. And i’m not sure how you can see Origami King footage and assume it’s a remake of 64. They’re too wildly different.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No, this is false.



While I see your point, this is still false. Marko was 100% on the “Paper Mario 64 remake” bandwagon since the day he began mentioning Paper Mario. He never once said “a game like Paper Mario 64”. It was always stated to be a remake. And i’m not sure how you can see Origami King footage and assume it’s a remake of 64. They’re too wildly different.

Too bad he never once said nor implied it's a remake whatsoever. It's possible to take "remake" from it, but he definitely is not saying it and you can see from context it's clearly not in any way, shape, or form, related to a remake.

You put words in his mouth and took his statement in an incorrect direction. Don't blame him because you misunderstood the wording too.

And fyi, "a game like something" just means they have similarities. That's all it overall means and always has meant. That's the purpose of the statement. He might as well said "similar to" and it'd mean the same thing. Context is hard clear people took it wrong from what he actually said. Don't blame him for you misunderstanding his wording, which again, he did not say in any form it was a remake. That's on you alone for making an assumption of wording.

And it's clear he misunderstood it to be a lot more similar to Paper Mario 64 according to his sources than what it really is. Which makes sense. Sources can only see so much. I absolutely see Paper Mario 64 in Origami King and it has blatant similarities. In fact, if it was "the same gameplay", that would've been a far clearer statement than saying they're just "similar". Which they didn't. The statement fits extremely well within the context of the situation.

Marko was never on the remake train. Where are you getting this from?

 

[A.G.L.]

I would not be suprised if Nintendo is silent about new stuff until Paper Mario is released concidering it is not that far off until the game is releasing and all.

If the rumors of July direct are true, then I could see Paper Mario getting a bit of the spotlight to explain more of how the game will run. It does seem like another direct is likely, considering we know almost nothing of Nintendo's plans for the rest of the year. Even SpawnWave who has correctly guessed dates in the past, seems to think that another direct should be coming up.

So who knows what other announcements, besides a more in depth look at Paper Mario we could get.

 

[AugustusB]

If the rumors of July direct are true, then I could see Paper Mario getting a bit of the spotlight to explain more of how the game will run. It does seem like another direct is likely, considering we know almost nothing of Nintendo's plans for the rest of the year. Even SpawnWave who has correctly guessed dates in the past, seems to think that another direct should be coming up.

So who knows what other announcements, besides a more in depth look at Paper Mario we could get.

Absolutely. I do think however, we already got a semi rundown video about the game not to long ago. To me, it looks like a good paper mario game and can't wait to play it.

However if they needed to say more on the matter, than I could see it being highlighted in a direct...hopefully a Mario themed one.

Also....Good to see you buddy! Hope you are well

 

[A.G.L.]

Absolutely. I do think however, we already got a semi rundown video about the game not to long ago. To me, it looks like a good paper mario game and can't wait to play it.

However if they needed to say more on the matter, than I could see it being highlighted in a direct...hopefully a Mario themed one.

Also....Good to see you buddy! Hope you are well

Agree, I think we pretty much know 85% about how Paper Mario Origami King will run. Still it does seem like a Nintendo thing to do and highlight it a bit more in a direct. Especially since Paper Mario is their last big game of the year, that we know of so far. Especially since Nintendo had that share holders meeting recently, it does seem like they will announce their upcoming plans soon.

It's good to see you as well my friend, it has been a long time. Iv been well thank you for asking . How have you been my friend?

 

[AugustusB]

Agree, I think we pretty much know 85% about how Paper Mario Origami King will run. Still it does seem like a Nintendo thing to do and highlight it a bit more in a direct. Especially since Paper Mario is their last big game of the year, that we know of so far. Especially since Nintendo had that share holders meeting recently, it does seem like they will announce their upcoming plans soon.

It's good to see you as well my friend, it has been a long time. Iv been well thank you for asking . How have you been my friend?

That is the hope. Best case scenario would be this upcoming week, but I don't think it will. Even though I will lose my mind if it is on 7/7 because...all the coincidences would line up.

I have been doing well! Trying to be more active since I have been mostly lurking these last couple of months.

 

[Droodle]

So another Smash poll result is floating around the newcomer thread, and this time it's from the a poll done on 5chan recently. Since we don't really have anything to discuss, I thought I may as well post it here. Credits to Ayumi Tachibana in the Newcomer thread,

Total of 479 valid votes

Wanted characters got more than 10 votes
1. Rex (& Pyra) - 43 votes
2. Arle - 30 Votes
3. Crash - 21 Votes
3. Reimu - 21 Votes
3. Hunter - 21 Votes
6. Ryu Hayabusa - 18 votes
7. Phoenix Wright - 13 votes
8. Dante - 12 votes
8. Sora - 12 votes
8. Cinderace - 12 votes
11. Bandana Waddle Dee - 10 votes
11. Geno - 10 votes
11. Sol Badguy - 10 votes

Wanted franchises got more than 10 votes
1. Xenoblade - 46 votes
2. Puyo Puyo - 31 votes
3. Monster Hunter - 26 votes
3. Pokemon - 26 votes
5. Super Mario - 23 votes
6. Crash Bandicoot - 21 votes
6. Touhou Project - 21 votes
8. Kirby - 19 votes
9. Ninja Gaiden - 18 votes
10. Ace Attorney - 13 votes
10. Tales of - 13 votes
12. Devil May Cry - 12 votes
12. Kingdom Hearts - 12 votes
14. Guilty Gear - 10 votes

Other Notables compare to the west
15. Steve - 7 votes
16. Lloyd - 6 votes
18. Master Chief - 5 votes (they miscalculated him in the pdf)
34. Waluigi - 2 votes
34. Rayman - 2 votes
34. Dovahkiin - 2 votes
34. 2B - 2 votes
66. Dr. Eggman - 1 vote
66. Lara Croft - 1 vote
66. Layton - 1 vote
--. Doomguy - 0 vote
--. Scorpion- 0 vote

Never seen them in west polls but I see their names here and there among Japanese communities
25. Ryza - 3 votes
34. Estelle Bright - 2 votes
34. Shiren - 2 votes
34. Gran & Djeeta - 2 votes
34. Gespenst - 2 votes
34. Cybuster - 2 votes
34. Pawapuro-kun - 2 votes


Obviously none of this matters in the long run, but it's just fun to look at the characters that people want. Especially comparing Japan vs West. Geno ended up doing pretty well with 10 votes and placing at number 11, from this list he ended up doing the best of any Square character (unless you count Sora). Sad for Waluigi as he ended up only getting 2 votes in total, which was a surprise. On the other hand, I thought Rayman would get 0 votes as he's pretty unpopular in Japan (like Doomguy and Scorpion) but I guess he had enough of a presence to tie with the Wah.

I'm not surprised that Rex and Pyra are among the most requested in Japan (and in this poll they won with a healthy lead as well). I am surprised Arle did so well, but she has been a longstanding request over there for a while now. Reimu also is rising rapidly over there, tieing with the likes of Crash and Hunter is no small feat. Bandana Dee being number 11 was a surprise as well, considering he was amongst the most requested in Japan pre-release; although it could just be an outlier considering 5chan doesn't represent the casual audience that would vote for Dee that well. Oh and they see Cinderace as the most likely Pokemon, while the West has a lot more discussion of Urshifu/Toxtricity.

 

[AdamBel731]

More fan art for the thread to feast its eyes on

 

[Vector Victor]

I believe that Rex/Pyra got a huge bump after Byleth's reveal, mostly from people annoyed at the surface double standard between the games (and going further shows that its not a 1 to 1 comparison).

 

[MattX20]

I believe that Rex/Pyra got a huge bump after Byleth's reveal, mostly from people annoyed at the surface double standard between the games (and going further shows that its not a 1 to 1 comparison).

Elma too given the spirits deconfirm argument being overthrown

 

[StarLight42]

I mean this in a respectful way but can we please stop giving so much attention to Markomaro? His track record is not good at all and he’s been said to not have legitimate connections by many insiders.

I understand things change, but not things like misinterpreting the new Paper Mario for a PM64 remake when they’re very different games.

Verde Coeden Scalesworth Also what you claimed was false. General Paper Mario rumors were always from Zippo. Marko has only ever said a Paper Mario 64 remake on the dot.

I understand it we were treating Marko as a speculator but he’s trying to come off as some sort of leaker here it’s not really speculation, he’s trying to gather more attention than he deserves. He does not have solid connections at all. It’s just kind of frustrating to see him brought up again and again on this thread when the rest of the internet has pretty much written him off. Sorry for the rant, but I just think we should not pay be paying attention to marko for more productive speculation. He didn’t get Paper Mario right, that’s a pretty big twist to say that he did, his track record is very unstable

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

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I mean this in a respectful way but can we please stop giving so much attention to Markomaro? His track record is not good at all and he’s been said to not have legitimate connections by many insiders.

I understand things change, but not things like misinterpreting the new Paper Mario for a PM64 remake when they’re very different games.

Verde Coeden Scalesworth Also what you claimed was false. General Paper Mario rumors were always from Zippo. Marko has only ever said a Paper Mario 64 remake on the dot.

I understand it we were treating Marko as a speculator but he’s trying to come off as some sort of leaker here it’s not really speculation, he’s trying to gather more attention than he deserves. He does not have solid connections at all. It’s just kind of frustrating to see him brought up again and again on this thread when the rest of the internet has pretty much written him off. Sorry for the rant, but I just think we should not pay be paying attention to marko for more productive speculation. He didn’t get Paper Mario right, that’s a pretty big twist to say that he did, his track record is very unstable

So why didn't you bother to post any of these claims while tagging me? I'm not going to believe my memory is faulty when you just say words. Post the tweets/logs then. You made a counterclaim and you should be able to prove it then. Otherwise why should anyone believe you? Even then, see down below why Marko's statement still makes a ton of sense despite his source simply taking the wrong conclusion.

And no, when Zippo(as you claim) says it was just a new Paper Mario game, not a lot of people "jumped to the conclusion it must be a remake" either. Definitely not due to his statement. Why? Because people already were sure it'd be similar to the current versions because that's what was told we'd have. We had zero reason to believe any kind of remake was coming outside of apparently Marko's statement alone.

In addition, Origami King has a ton of traits from Paper Mario 64, including a very similar opening. It's pretty easy for any insider to see only bits and pieces and assume that the beta version they saw is a remake. It's very clear how similar the games are. So if he claimed it, I frankly agree with him entirely his information made sense at the time. In the end, it turned out something changed during development or they saw just the wrong bits and took a wrong conclusion. This happens all the time with leaking. In addition, this isn't the first time a remake would undergo a massive change but still heavily resemble the original in many ways(like Origami King very easily resembles Paper Mario 64 in more than one way. The equipment system is an upgrade to the badge system, made to be way more balanced. Practically the same opening to Paper Mario 64 with Peach's Castle and all, only changing it up last second, partners are quite clearly back). Sonic 06 is quite clearly still similar to Sonic Adventure 1 and did start out as a remake of it. Many of the levels heavily resemble the original, even to the point a glitch in level 1 is literally the same as Adventure 1.

 

[StarLight42]

So why didn't you bother to post any of these claims while tagging me? I'm not going to believe my memory is faulty when you just say words. Post the tweets/logs then. You made a counterclaim and you should be able to prove it then. Otherwise why should anyone believe you? Even then, see down below why Marko's statement still makes a ton of sense despite his source simply taking the wrong conclusion.

And no, when Zippo(as you claim) says it was just a new Paper Mario game, not a lot of people "jumped to the conclusion it must be a remake" either. Definitely not due to his statement. Why? Because people already were sure it'd be similar to the current versions because that's what was told we'd have. We had zero reason to believe any kind of remake was coming outside of apparently Marko's statement alone.

In addition, Origami King has a ton of traits from Paper Mario 64, including a very similar opening. It's pretty easy for any insider to see only bits and pieces and assume that the beta version they saw is a remake. It's very clear how similar the games are. So if he claimed it, I frankly agree with him entirely his information made sense at the time. In the end, it turned out something changed during development or they saw just the wrong bits and took a wrong conclusion. This happens all the time with leaking. In addition, this isn't the first time a remake would undergo a massive change but still heavily resemble the original in many ways(like Origami King very easily resembles Paper Mario 64 in more than one way. The equipment system is an upgrade to the badge system, made to be way more balanced. Practically the same opening to Paper Mario 64 with Peach's Castle and all, only changing it up last second, partners are quite clearly back). Sonic 06 is quite clearly still similar to Sonic Adventure 1 and did start out as a remake of it. Many of the levels heavily resemble the original, even to the point a glitch in level 1 is literally the same as Adventure 1.

Your memory is faulty, i’d assume you would give me the benefit of the doubt for correcting you, but I guess not. Here goes

I’m not sure what you’re going on about in the middle paragraph.

No, these two games aren’t mistakeable. The Peach’s Castle sequence is very clearly a different one, and the rest of the game isn’t that similar at all really. Even the battling is completely different.

If anything, i’m surprised it wasn’t mistaken for a color splash port

can we stop giving this guy excuses and attention please. Again, i’d understand it if it was speculation, but it’s not. This guy with questionable sources is trying to come off as a leaker and take your attention and some of you guys are biting that bait right off the hook.

 

[Vector Victor]

Elma too given the spirits deconfirm argument being overthrown

Here was a series that received further attention thanks to the fans, getting an overseas release and bumping up its status in the gaming world where it received more games. Honestly, I'm shocked that Xenoblade didn't get a second character in Smash despite requests for Elma, Rex and Pyra. And they fumbled the message badly with Xenoblade and Byleth (seriously, Byleth was like a checklist of how NOT to sell a character).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Your memory is faulty, i’d assume you would give me the benefit of the doubt for correcting you, but I guess not. Here goes

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I’m not sure what you’re going on about in the middle paragraph.

No, these two games aren’t mistakeable. The Peach’s Castle sequence is very clearly a different one, and the rest of the game isn’t that similar at all really. Even the battling is completely different.

If anything, i’m surprised it wasn’t mistaken for a color splash port

can we stop giving this guy excuses and attention please. Again, i’d understand it if it was speculation, but it’s not. This guy with questionable sources is trying to come off as a leaker and take your attention and some of you guys are biting that bait right off the hook.

Yeah, that still looks blatantly like the Paper Mario 64 opening sequence. It changed last second within the trailer. I still see how it's easy to confuse. So I entirely get where he got the confusion from. Still not the first time it happened. Origami King massively reminds me of Paper Mario 64 overall.

Here's the thing; you kept claiming it, I mistakeningly claimed otherwise. That was my bad. You should've immediately posted the screenshot to show where I made the mistake, posting a source. Nobody is going to easily remember everything perfectly either. I still think we should be looking at him because I see clear beta content being mistaken for something else. Which again, happens all the time. People massively can see things that weren't meant to be. For all we know, it was actually a remake at first and then changed up. Or did we forget that Sticker Star started off as having most of the same gameplay as The Thousand Year Door but was entirely reworked. That was confirmed too. It's pretty clear by now that using the older style of the games has been done before. Why wouldn't it happen again? Looking at TOK, it literally starts with the classic Paper Mario 64 opening but entirely goes a new direction in order to give a bit of nostalgia. It literally redoes the badge system in a new manner that balances it out. When you only see small pieces(which happens to all sources), you only get an idea from what's there. Just that alone screamed remake to me. I actually thought it was clearly the classic formula at first with tiny changes.

Also, to note, obviously a remake of PM64 would be in the new artstyle just like the other remakes of the RPG's. It'd definitely look like the SS/CS paper styles, not the ones from the first three. That makes it even easier to make a clear mistake(if it was even a mistake, anyway).

 

[MattX20]

Here was a series that received further attention thanks to the fans, getting an overseas release and bumping up its status in the gaming world where it received more games. Honestly, I'm shocked that Xenoblade didn't get a second character in Smash despite requests for Elma, Rex and Pyra. And they fumbled the message badly with Xenoblade and Byleth (seriously, Byleth was like a checklist of how NOT to sell a character).

If Nintendo doesn't learn from this debacle, they are in trouble