Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[JarBear]

IDK what to think about Cacomallow at this point tbh but I find it hilarious that a Mii costume leak comes up and gets debunked in 10 minutes yet it's been like half a year or whatever of Cacomallow existing and we still don't have proof of the maker of it / if it was fake in the first place lol

Ah yes, it is part of the mystery around the CacoMallow. I think both sides can at least agree, (at least the more open minded on either side) that the "leak" is still in play until Fighter 7, or the absolute latest, Fighter 8. After that ... the feasibility of its reality is pretty dang low.

Man ... just need that confirmation on either which way it goes. Both sides have fair enough arguments or at least things going for it or against it.

 

[MisterMike]

What are the actual arguments against Geno now? Sakurai said relevancy doesn't matter, it's mostly whether the character is fun, and also that he thinks Geno would be a great character. With Spirits deconfirming dead and Geno at the height of his popularity, how are they justifying him not being possible? Like actually, without calling Sakurai a liar you can't "deconfirm" Geno.

The same way they always argue against any character getting in: downplay and dismiss. Downplay their demand as nothing but a big circlejerk by the "Smash Bubble", and dismiss anything that these characters may have going for them as the conspiracy theories of desparate Chris-Chan types.

I know this is a topic we have done several times before, but what do you guys think will be Geno's alternate colors? I was quite surprised by how there was no notable referential alts to other characters in Min Min's selection, so it does make me reconsider what Geno would get.

As I've mentioned in my Geno Moveset Concept post:
-= Alternate Colors =-
I already posed this earlier, but for convenience sake I'll put it here as well.

Alt 1 - Default colors, based on his character art.
Alt 2 - Baby blue alt, resembling his in-game palette in Super Mario RPG. Brighter blue, brown eyes and more faded orange for his hair.
Alt 3 - Purple alt, based on his poisoned palette. I made his hair a bit more brownish, thought it'd look better.
Alt 4 - Yellow alt, based on the statues in Nimbus Land. I opted for blue accents so it wouldn't look too monotonous.
Alt 5 - White alt, based on Mallow. I'm actually impressed with how well this works.
Alt 6 - Green alt, based on Bowyer. I was originally going to make this a red alt, but I was struggling to think of something/someone significant that was green to base it on.
Alt 7 - Red alt, based on Yaridovich. Not gonna lie, I really like this one.
Alt 8 - Black alt, based on Smithy. Originally, I was going to make an entirely grey alt based on the Machine Made versions of the Smithy Gang leaders, but I thought that would be too boring and opted for this.

 

[Vector Victor]

While making up a spirit board for Geno is easy due to all the colorful cast of characters in the game, who would be difficult to make into a battle?

Like, how would you represent Bundt?

 

[Deleted member]

While making up a spirit board for Geno is easy due to all the colorful cast of characters in the game, who would be difficult to make into a battle?

Like, how would you represent Bundt?

Giant white Mr. Game and Watch, only hits 7s and spams neutral B when you're at range.

 

[Lagguino]

What are the actual arguments against Geno now? Sakurai said relevancy doesn't matter, it's mostly whether the character is fun, and also that he thinks Geno would be a great character. With Spirits deconfirming dead and Geno at the height of his popularity, how are they justifying him not being possible? Like actually, without calling Sakurai a liar you can't "deconfirm" Geno.

I mean...they still pull the same things such as

"Irrelevent side character"
"One game"
"Nintendo/Square does not care"
"I don't understand the appeal"

Basically the same stuff as before but now even more repeated over and over like a broken record.

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

Smash character detractors have never changed, they always just use the same 4 or so arguments until Sakurai comes to their house personally to tell them they are wrong. When CHARACTER THEY DONT LIKE gets in, they'll just find something new to screech at, probably an equally reactionary character.

 

[AdamBel731]

Recently I bet money down on Geno that he would be in the game (it is only $10 on the line, but I'm usually pretty scrupulous with my money so this is saving something). The reason I did so is because I am so confident in his chances for a myriad of reasons. Let's catalog them chronologically.


- Sakurai wanted Geno for Brawl

Spoiler: Sakurai's Desire

Big boon for Geno. If Sakurai himself says he wants you as a fighter, your chances if getting an invitation are exponentially better.

- Sakurai said he believes Geno would have an interesting moveset and claimed he knew Geno was popular

Spoiler: Sakurai's Acknowledgment

Another big boost for Geno. If Sakurai acknowledges your moveset would be a good fit for Smash and recognizes your popularity, your chances to be added to Smash are much higher. And these comments Sakurai said are on top of his Brawl plans to add Geno.

- Sakurai added a Geno Mii costume in Smash 4 ... and the costume hasn't returned yet

Spoiler: Mii Costume Shenanigans

Once the Smash 4 Ballot ended, a lot of supposed frontrunners of the ballot such as King K. Rool, the Inklings, Isabelle, and Chrom received Mii fighter costumes. All of these characters were then upgraded to playable status in Ultimate. Geno getting a Mii costume meant Sakurai specifically asked Square Enix for it so he could likely acknowledge Geno's popularity like he did with the previously mentioned characters of the Ballot. Oddly enough, it hasn't returned yet despite Super Mario RPG content alreadybeing in the game. Why would they have content from the game but not bring back the costume in the base game? "To release it as DLC alongside a Square Enix DLC fighter!" Ok... where was it alongside Hero? Yes the Heihachi costume was held for a bit, but Tekken content isn't in the base game aside from Pac-Man's little taunt. It is odd that Super Mario RPG cotnent has been signed off already but Sakurai didn't add that popular of a popular character back.

- Square Enix are on board with Smash and don't seem to care about Nintendo using Super Mario RPG content.
...
- As such, Square Enix don't have a reason to say no to the idea if Geno as a playable character

Spoiler: Square Enix's Openness and Probable Apathy

I know Square Enix doesn't have the most content in Smash, but that is due to Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest having copyright issues up the wazoo. Sakurai specifically went to Square Enix about adding a Final Fantasy character and a Dragon Quest character, that didn't approach him. As such, all of the character choices have been Sakurai's/Nintendo's own. So I know people worry about Geno's Square Enix "competition," but honestly, at this point he doesn't have much in his way. When Sakurai was going to bring Square Enix on board for Smash, you better believe he is going to go after the massive franchises that are Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. He's trying to make Smash the celebration of gaming and as a Japanese developer you bet he thinks they're the top priority Square Enix franchises to add. Yes, Square Enix are protective of those IP, but those are for their legendary storied franchises. Those franchises have a rich, long history that Square Enix cares about the integrity of. ...Whereas I doubt Square Enix gives much of a hoot for Super Mario RPG. It isn't like the company can do anything with the characters from the game except give them time Nintendo whenever they ask, so why on Earth would they ever decline the idea of having Geno as a playable character? (I wonder if they even think of Geno as their character really.) The answer is that they wouldn't because they probably don't care about Geno too much, he isn't Cloud Strife or their Dragon Quest protagonists. Super Mario RPG fans love Geno, but I doubt the game and its characters mean much to Square Enix (but hey, maybe I'm wrong). And in this case, that's a good things because that means Square Enix is seemingly really open to the game being referenced. As such, I'm willing to bet Square Enix gave little more than a shrug and a nod whenever Sakurai asks for Super Mario RPG content. If the company will allow Dragon Quest protagonists to fight together (which the company itself said it never allows), how would they say no to Geno? "What if Square Enix asks for another fighter instead?" Well if that happened (which I doubt), then Sakurai would get that requested character and Geno. Square Enix isn't going to say no to more money and Sakurai isnt going to turn down two Square Enix characters. If Sakurai is set to get Geno (which Nintendo says they've never been turned down a character request) he'll get him alongside the Square-requested fighter. One does not replace the other and it wouldn't make sense for that to happen.

- "Geno is irrelevant to Nintendo despite his popularity"

Spoiler: A Vocal Fan Demand Shows Nintendo

Oh, hello

- "Geno is pretty irrelevant to Nintendo and a 3rd party nonetheless"

Spoiler: Never Underestimate Sakurai

Oh, hello

- "Geno is a Spirit"

Spoiler: Stop Making Up Rules

Oh, hello

- Ultimate is about granting fan wishes

Spoiler: Ultimate's Precedent Has Been Set

Why would Sakurai go after Geno? Well, not only does he like the character and has openly wanted him and Smash, but he has also acknowledged his popularity and his moveset potential. Ultimate seems to be adding characters that did well in the Smash 4 ballot and it is highly likely Geno placed highly as evident by his Mii costume. Irrelevancy or popularity isn't an issue since Sakurai said as much in the Terry presentation. Geno is one of the final fan-demanded characters who have been requested for years. Despite his popularity, he isn't an Assist Trophy, his Mii Costume is absent, and he isn't playable. Sqaure Enix has no reason to say no if Nintendo wants it and if Sakurai wants to make the fans happy like he's been doing, it'll happen.

I personally don't see any big argument against Geno at this point. Most of what I listed are either completely factual comments Sakurai has said, or lines of thinking that aren't too difficult to get to due to what we have been seeing already. "Actions speak louder than words." This doesn't even take the suspicious Cacomallow shenanigans into account (my boy Malo Mart ) or even Thinwomanunderfire's ( Fatmanonice ) theory crafting. I just think there are way too many things stacking up and even if you hate Geno it is kinda hard to ignore them. I mean detractors can keep on trying to move the goalpost, but all of the facts, at the very least, will remain.

Prepare for Geno is what I'm saying. I don't know if he'll be Fighter #7, but just ready yourselves. Of course, Geno isn't a lock, but I'd say he is the closest you can get to it (aside from when the Inklings were before Ultimate was revealed). Geno's chances are looking amazingly high and precedent has already been set to make long-time fans happy. I think you guys will be in for a treat soon enough. Just gotta wait a little longer. As always, I'm with you all until the end of the line.

 

[EarlTamm]

Can I just say, do you guys think they may have held out on the Heihachi Mii costume because Tekken has mechanics that focus on using different limbs like Min Min does in Smash? I don't know that much about Tekken, but that is an idea I overheard and am considering.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Can I just say, do you guys think they may have held out on the Heihachi Mii costume because Tekken has mechanics that focus on using different limbs like Min Min does in Smash? I don't know that much about Tekken, but that is an idea I overheard and am considering.

He and Ninjara are the only two Mii costumes that actually fit with Min Min. The other 3 are just another Grab Bag. It's quite possible, since Min Min would've been planned as an idea before Terry came out. And since Namco Bandai is with Sakurai's team working on DLC, it would've been very easy to move the costume from Terry to Min Min.

Likewise, this would've made it very easy to move Geno and Chocobo Hat's costumes(if Geno is a costume, basically) in the same way. Plans can easily change, as long as they form an agreement.

It's worth noting this is why I don't think Mii costumes taking a while means anything. Plans get made and sometimes changed. It could easily take over a year for a costume to be ready to come out, because they intend it for a specific character. You can easily have a team work only on costumes, and work only on characters too. There's too many small specifics/variables to consider "time" a key factor. Of course, Cacomallow applies to this too(I will note people should be aware the only reason I consider it fake is it not being taken down by Nintendo, but I see nothing else legitimately making it look fake whatsoever). Time is not a key factor for costumes to come out. "It takes too long" assumes a lot about development cycles. We know next to nothing about when they're made. We know it can be over 6 months in advance at least maximum, but that's assuming Sans is an outlier, and not an average. How soon would Doomslayer(for instance) or Cacodemon have been licensed? No clue. We had all the way to September 2019 for the costumes to be set up. They were clearly in development/unreleased from the video we saw. But was the recording done in November too?

And that's kind of the thing. We don't know if they were ready/in development by November or not. Now, I'm not saying this as a knock against the leak either. I'm saying this is how variable time is. The only thing that's clear is that they wouldn't have been recorded by Terry at best. That left two characters it skipped, realistically. Assuming the presentation records everything at once, anyway. However, when you think of how quickly they recorded Hero and B&K's presentations back to back, that could make an argument Mii costumes were recorded during those presentation recordings, or quite the opposite, at a very different time. So if Cacomallow is real, that gives a lot of leeway for when the recordings could be done. But that only shows how ridiculously early they can be ready but not allowed to come out. A Costume won't release until a specific character it's going to be with releases. That's the hard reason time will never matter. So the only way to truly prove it's fake is when the Modder comes out or they never come out to begin with. That's how strange this situation is. Well, anybody who believes "Nintendo would ignore it" can go with this strategy too.

 

[AugustusB]

Can I just say, how did I know Verde Coeden Scalesworth would humor me in the Newcomer thread lol.

I agree with you on that as well as in here. Cacomallow seemed real, but we do not have the answer on 'Time' with development. And the 1:1 replica is wild to me. I just want to know if a modder found out how to get past the file size limit on hats. THAT would be a find.

Also, Geno is still looking pretty good though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Can I just say, how did I know Verde Coeden Scalesworth would humor me in the Newcomer thread lol.

I agree with you on that as well as in here. Cacomallow seemed real, but we do not have the answer on 'Time' with development. And the 1:1 replica is wild to me. I just want to know if a modder found out how to get past the file size limit on hats. THAT would be a find.

Also, Geno is still looking pretty good though.

I have an avatar of a Ghost. I literally can haunt a thread.

Joking aside, the one thing I didn't mention on here is that 1:1 is not possible no matter how much time people have. You can come extremely close, but models cannot be outright replicated. Companies port over assets constantly for that reason alone, cause it saves a significant amount of development time. That's why we see so much Uprising stuff in Smash For 3DS, for instance. It was easy. And for some things, getting a new model may not be as easy(this is why Mewtwo took till DLC to come out in Smash For. They can't just port over the model either. They have to do it from scratch). Etc.

Models are pretty hard to work with, heh.

 

[Deleted member]

Can I just say, do you guys think they may have held out on the Heihachi Mii costume because Tekken has mechanics that focus on using different limbs like Min Min does in Smash? I don't know that much about Tekken, but that is an idea I overheard and am considering.

In my limited knowledge of the game, Tekken does have a big focus on "what if punching with the other hand mattered", and many people have speculated that just as Ryu (and later Ken and Terry) brought full on input commands with him, Heihachi or any other Tekken character would bring some sort of right hand/left hand mechanic, among other things.

The rumors are that Sakurai thought about adding Heihachi into Smash 4 but settled with a Mii Costume due to it being hard to make that left/right concept work properly in Smash, though I have never read any interview or column that proves this to be the case (would be happy if someone could provide it), but if it's true, it could be the situation that Sakurai could get the left/right punch to work properly, but couldn't come up with a system for it to be balanced. I mean, Sm4sh Ryu already had a situation in which weak utilt could walk opponents back and forth across the stage and finish with a true shoryuken and the only thing that kept it from being a game destroying mechanic was the relatively small size of the hitbox and the intense input demand. Imagine that situation in a game where you can simply run up and confirm a jab that does essentially the same thing.

The point to my musings here is that Sakurai was interested in the mechanic but not interested in the baggage it would carry attached to a close range fighter... so he opted this time to go for a long range fighter that uses it as a tool to cover their laggy, ranged move rather than a combo mechanism. Knowing that they were going to be making a second fighters pass, likely even before Terry was shown off and certainly long before we knew about a second fighters pass, I think the decision to save Heihachi for the ARMS fighter, regardless of how soon in the process Min Min was chosen, was an easy call to make.

I don't think this means anything good or bad for Geno, though. No other character would come with his gimmicks save for someone like Paper Mario, assuming that he would rely on timed hits/action commands as a driving part of his moveset... but since we still operate under an as of yet unbroken assumption that Square content comes with Square content, Geno coming with Paper Mario would seem out of place. Another Square rep was honestly going to be a death knell for our boy, regardless. However, I can't help but want to echo myself from all the way back in December that if Lloyd and Geno's costumes both remain missing, I can't see a future in which both make it. It would be too obvious of a move for Nintendo to withold both of these HUGE Brawl era personalities, especially now that Heihachi returned alone, and then make them both fighters. For the purposes of this particular fanbase, we're fortunate that Geno has so much more going for him than Lloyd.

 

[waterhasataste]

Can I just say, do you guys think they may have held out on the Heihachi Mii costume because Tekken has mechanics that focus on using different limbs like Min Min does in Smash? I don't know that much about Tekken, but that is an idea I overheard and am considering.

Possibly. Though another theory I'm entertaining is that they held back the Heihachi costume because they were entertaining characters for a 2nd wave and Heihachi was one of them

I'm honestly curious what the original plans for the Mii Costumes were if a 2nd wave didn't exist. There definitely seemed to be a shift in direction with them after Hero

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Serenade01 http://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/26/800/ Here's the link. To quote; "Sakurai: That’s right. However, implementing Heihachi’s movement in Smash would be difficult…"

It's not clear what he means by that. Though it's thought it's referred to things like the limb stuff, or 3D factors at the time. Being he's still not in, it could be limb-related for all we know. The one thing that is suggested is he isn't saying anything like "moveset is too boring".

It also is worth noting this is where he mentioned he wanted to use Pac-Man's classic design. At this time, all he said about the 2013 design is that he might consider not using Pac-Man if that was forced onto him. There was no "I'd only use him if it was one specific design". He's not nearly as pedant as people claim he is. He's actually pretty open to negotiation on things.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

If there’s anything this thread knows

It’s what a real Mii Costume leak looks like

Exactly! CacoMallow is real. People can say what they want about that, but I'm choosing to believe it's real until it's confirmed or it's debunked.

IDK what to think about Cacomallow at this point tbh but I find it hilarious that a Mii costume leak comes up and gets debunked in 10 minutes yet it's been like half a year or whatever of Cacomallow existing and we still don't have proof of the maker of it / if it was fake in the first place lol

Again, CacoMallow is real. #CacoMallowisreal

Edit: Papa uploads:

A juicy 45 minute video.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

I really don't believe in CacoMallow, but i DO believe that Geno will be in Smash soon.

 

[Theguy123]

View attachment 276510

Gotchu. Barely worth even mentioning. If they look this fake don't even bother mentioning it here. It's way too plastic-y to be real, which is what a lot of mods are. Also the outfit is piercing the face in the character icon box. Bigly fake.

Wouldn’t it say mii gunner as well in the bottom If it was a mii costume. It wouldn’t say Geno I think. Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[MattX20]

With June ending in just two days from now, July is going to be possibly the biggest month for Nintendo news we've had in a long while

 

[RetrogamerMax]

With June ending in just two days from now, July is going to be possibly the biggest month for Nintendo news we've had in a long while

I feel like July or Summer in general is going to feel really long this year. Probably do to the fact Geno is most likely the next Smash fighter and all.

 

[Vector Victor]

So, tomorrow, the points of interest to look out for are

what happens to Min Min's base spirit (renamed, removed, etc),

her spirit in World of Light,

when you can use her in WoL (the other DLC all appear after a certain number of fights. Will she too or is she unlocked after her fight),

what her fighter spirit will look like,

will she get a fighter spirit,

any other spirit battles get changed where she is the opponent?

 

[Fatmanonice]

With June ending in just two days from now, July is going to be possibly the biggest month for Nintendo news we've had in a long while

I think so too and that Amiibo stuff I talked about yesterday was really eye opening because it possibly gave heavy hints towards upcoming announcements and it all lined up with a couple of major rumors that I heard last September/October. Like Imran Khan said the other day, I think people over understate Nintendo's ability to surprise and even flat out overwhelm its fans. July is shaping up to be one for the history books.

 

[Springwood Slasher]

I think so too and that Amiibo stuff I talked about yesterday was really eye opening because it possibly gave heavy hints towards upcoming announcements and it all lined up with a couple of major rumors that I heard last September/October. Like Imran Khan said the other day, I think people over understate Nintendo's ability to surprise and even flat out overwhelm its fans. July is shaping up to be one for the history books.

Maybe we’ll finally get some info on the Mario Remasters and those rarely discussed Zelda remasters??

 

[Fatmanonice]

Maybe we’ll finally get some info on the Mario Remasters and those rarely discussed Zelda remasters??

Looking at the Amiibo stuff from yesterday, not only did it give pretty heavy evidence that the Mario Remasters and Zelda Remasters are probably real but Nintendo has deliberately held off on specific Amiibo for specific games/potential Smash characters. For example, it's a big boon (baboon?) towards Markomaro's DK platformer rumor from November because neither DK or Diddy have been rereleased yet and DK was registered for reprints in 2018. There's other stuff too but it's another one of those "if you know what I'm talking about, don't blurt it out."

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

What are the actual arguments against Geno now? Sakurai said relevancy doesn't matter, it's mostly whether the character is fun, and also that he thinks Geno would be a great character. With Spirits deconfirming dead and Geno at the height of his popularity, how are they justifying him not being possible? Like actually, without calling Sakurai a liar you can't "deconfirm" Geno.

Probably the Heihachi Costume coming back bothers a lot of people. It shows that even this late into the Game's DLC life we can still get Mii Costumes from 4.

The only other reason i can come up with is "Square would prefer to push their other franchises" even though im pretty sure outside of KH's Sora, none of these seem to actually be likely in the slightlest.

Outisde of that, it's fair game.

 

[SNEKeater]

@Serenade01 http://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/26/800/ Here's the link. To quote; "Sakurai: That’s right. However, implementing Heihachi’s movement in Smash would be difficult…"

It's not clear what he means by that. Though it's thought it's referred to things like the limb stuff, or 3D factors at the time. Being he's still not in, it could be limb-related for all we know. The one thing that is suggested is he isn't saying anything like "moveset is too boring".

It also is worth noting this is where he mentioned he wanted to use Pac-Man's classic design. At this time, all he said about the 2013 design is that he might consider not using Pac-Man if that was forced onto him. There was no "I'd only use him if it was one specific design". He's not nearly as pedant as people claim he is. He's actually pretty open to negotiation on things.

As you said Sakurai probably was talking about the limb system from Tekken. I don't think the 3D combat of Tekken would be it, we have other characters that aren't from 2D games and they work fine.
Tekken has a button for both arms and both legs, that means 4 attack buttons the player can use in different patterns, and the combos are things like AAB (left punch, left punch and right punch), and so on. That was just an example I made up, it's been some years since I played Tekken so maybe I said something wrong but I think that my point is clear. Adding Heihachi would have been difficult, not impossible. He would probably be one of the more complex characters of the roster.

Smash has 2 attack buttons, one for specials. For that reason during Min Min's presentation when Sakurai said that she had the B button for her right arm, some people thought of Heihachi/Tekken. Of course, any possible hope disappeared when they revealed his returning Mii Costume.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

For years I have been predicting we would probably be getting Skyward Sword HD in 2021 since next year is the game's 10th anniversary. Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD both came out on their 10th anniversaries, so I'm expecting Skyward Sword HD next year along with maybe a bundle port of Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD together to come along beside or near Skyward Sword HD's release. I believe Skyward Sword HD could be one of the Zelda remasters Fatman was talking about. With this possibly in mind and BOTW2 coming soon, next year is looking to be a good year for us Zelda fans.

 

[Deleted member]

It’s this

And people say that Cacomallow is fake because it can easily be a mod, but you get awful botch attempts like this. Cacomallow doesn't have that janky, unofficial feeling.

If it is fake, it is NOT a mod. More likely a pre-render, if anything.

 

[YsDisciple]

The Paper Mario: The Origami King website got updated with a bit of more info and, it would seem that one can now acquire... summons? They are known as the Vellumental bosses and so far it would seem there are three of these confirmed (the water dragon shown off in the first trailer, the giant origami turtle, and the Moltress-looking boss which is named Beat the Heat).

 

[Spatulo]

Looking at the Amiibo stuff from yesterday, not only did it give pretty heavy evidence that the Mario Remasters and Zelda Remasters are probably real but Nintendo has deliberately held off on specific Amiibo for specific games/potential Smash characters. For example, it's a big boon (baboon?) towards Markomaro's DK platformer rumor from November because neither DK or Diddy have been rereleased yet and DK was registered for reprints in 2018. There's other stuff too but it's another one of those "if you know what I'm talking about, don't blurt it out."

Wait Zelda remasters? I haven’t seen anything about that besides Skyward Sword HD, what’s the rumor there?

 

[Deleted member]

Wait Zelda remasters? I haven’t seen anything about that besides Skyward Sword HD, what’s the rumor there?

Sounds like the Wii U remasters (like Wind Waker HD) coming to Switch, possibly in a bundle?

 

[Vector Victor]

Wait Zelda remasters? I haven’t seen anything about that besides Skyward Sword HD, what’s the rumor there?

The Zelda remasters have all the previous Zelda games exactly as they originally presented but now instead of Link, you control Ken Masters in his quest to save various Hyrules and Zeldas. Save the world with your newest ocarina song, 'Boom of Hadoken.'

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I was scrolling through the archives awhile ago and I found this: https://smashboards.com/threads/the-official-geno-thread.72298/page-17

If you scroll down a bit you'll see Fatman's first post in the Geno Brawl thread and I think his first Smashboards post entirely.

 

[Spatulo]

Sounds like the Wii U remasters (like Wind Waker HD) coming to Switch, possibly in a bundle?

The Zelda remasters have all the previous Zelda games exactly as they originally presented but now instead of Link, you control Ken Masters in his quest to save various Hyrules and Zeldas. Save the world with your newest ocarina song, 'Boom of Hadoken.'

The dichotomy of man

 

[Deleted member]

What are the actual arguments against Geno now? Sakurai said relevancy doesn't matter, it's mostly whether the character is fun, and also that he thinks Geno would be a great character. With Spirits deconfirming dead and Geno at the height of his popularity, how are they justifying him not being possible? Like actually, without calling Sakurai a liar you can't "deconfirm" Geno.

"Only boomers want him!"


"Min Min is an exception to the rule! Only first-party spirits don't deconfirm!"
This one is honestly just pathetic. This really is just goalpost-shifting.

"He's a side character from a 20-year old game!"


And Min Min is from a three-year-old game that was otherwise considered to be a flop, or "dead". Still didn't stop them getting into Smash.
Shiek is considered a separate character from Zelda nowadays, otherwise they would still be a part of Zelda's moveset like Melee and Brawl.

Other than the statement being completely wrong (he's the driving point being SMRPG's plot) it doesn't even make sense. He's a main character, and being the main character didn't stop Min Min from getting in, did it?

"You still aren't getting your character."
That's what you said for every other fan request.

When people say these, they really want to say this: "I don't like Geno, and I don't want him in."
But they will never say this. They will always try to come in with asinine reasons for why he can't be in.

Just say you don't want him in, instead of beating around the bush.

 

[Vector Victor]

I was scrolling through the archives awhile ago and I found this: https://smashboards.com/threads/the-official-geno-thread.72298/page-17

If you scroll down a bit you'll see Fatman's first post in the Geno Brawl thread and I think his first Smashboards post entirely.

His first presence in the Geno thread involved a blatant double post. How disgusting. How insulting.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

His first presence in the Geno thread involved a blatant double post. How disgusting. How insulting.

I know right?

 

[Vector Victor]

I know right?

Glad he's not still active in this thread. Why brutually subjugate this thread's idealistic fans and my awesome hair to his horrid double postinessity?

 

[AdamBel731]

Sounds like the Wii U remasters (like Wind Waker HD) coming to Switch, possibly in a bundle?

Nintendo? Releasing games in a bundle?

As cool as that'd be, I have trouble even believing those widely talked about 3D Mario remasters being in a collection. (I believe they're real, but unsure about the legitimacy of an "All-Stars 2.") Nintendo usually likes charging full price separately for remasters unfortunately.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I was scrolling through the archives awhile ago and I found this: https://smashboards.com/threads/the-official-geno-thread.72298/page-17

If you scroll down a bit you'll see Fatman's first post in the Geno Brawl thread and I think his first Smashboards post entirely.

Some of my earliest posts are kind of cringey (I was 18; what 18 year old isn't cringey?) but I was also straight out of high school and riding super high from all the attention my trip to Japan got. Also, fun stuff, I provide proof that there really was 5 mentions of SMRPG in Sakurai's Journal instead of just 4. And, oh look, even more proof that me and a number of other people have been at this for a decade and a half and that this isn't some con I came up with in 2019 according to a filing cabinet worth of hate mail.

 

[Vector Victor]

Some of my earliest posts are kind of cringey (I was 18; what 18 year old isn't cringey?) but I was also straight out of high school and riding super high from all the attention my trip to Japan got. Also, fun stuff, I provide proof that there really was 5 mentions of SMRPG in Sakurai's Journal instead of just 4. And, oh look, even more proof that me and a number of other people have been at this for a decade and a half and that this isn't some con I came up with in 2019 according to a filing cabinet worth of hate mail.

Its odd how people continually put down his support by claiming that its just people bandwagoning and how that's terrible and should be used as evidence against him and he should be dismissed . Well, what about the opposite? What if some of his detractors are just bandwagoning about their dislike of him? Shouldn't that also then dismiss his opposition?

How many of detractors legitimately dislike him and how many simply saw an opportunity to hate something and jumped on it?