Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Icewolff92]

They were in the trailer during a Max Raid.

Meaning they are coming sooner or later.

We were well aware that Giratina was going to be apart of the crown tundra since it was announced. So this is nothing new. I thought you talked about Isle of Armor

 

[Deleted member]

Prophet, please predict that Shantae is getting in as well... Please?

Don't call me a profet seriously, lol. Just having fun with the fact the stuff I want has been happening recently.

But anyways, Shantae... I could see her as one of the possible promotions in this pass.

She has the fandemand, the good sales of her games, the support from Wayforward and popularity in the Smash fandom. She is a very reasonable pick to consider.

We were well aware that Giratina was going to be apart of the crown tundra since it was announced. So this is nothing new. I thought you talked about Isle of Armor

What I remember from the original reveal of the two DLCs was just Zorua getting confirmed alongside another chunk of characters.

Didn't remember Giratina being announced back then if that's the case.

But even then, don't take these posts too seriously.

 

[StarLight42]

So has anyone ever heard of Mudkip971? He is the guy with the Smash Kingdom Geno avatar on Youtube. I see him a lot in Geno related videos. I wonder why he isn't on Smashboards.

He’s not a Geno fan

 

[RetrogamerMax]

He’s not a Geno fan

If he is not, than why has he had a Geno avatar for like over a decade on his Youtube channel?

 

[StarLight42]

If he is not, than why has he had a Geno avatar for like over a decade on his Youtube channel?

he said he just likes smash kingdom or something and refuses to change his pic. He’s on some discord servers that I am

 

[RetrogamerMax]

he said he just likes smash kingdom or something and refuses to change his pic. He’s on some discord servers that I am

I see.

 

[Deleted member]

If Geno was a Pokémon I feel he would be Fairy/leaf type.

 

[SSGuy]

I don't know. I don't really dabble with mods or anything so let's try to summon our resident tech wizard, @Slender .

The reason I ask is because I have never been under the impression that characters like Captain Falcon are treated any differently from characters like Ness. I think the idea of making that claim compared to someone like Mario or Terry who we know have separate hats from his model would be more understandable. But I don't believe for a second Ness is any different from Captain Falcon. Falcon is a character who has no separate model from his character so his helmet seems to be as glued on as Ness' hat is.

I get the point you are getting at with Geno's hat being compared to Ness' hat, but claiming that isn't the case with characters like Falcon, ICs or even Pokemon Trainer doesn't really have much legs to stand on when they have no evidence pointing to that being the case.

 

[Powerman293]

I have given up on trying to follow the trail that is "Character glitches matching up to certain wanted future characters". I mean, has anything from Bayonetta's recent glitches been able to correspond to anything with Min Min?

 

[Lyncario]

I have given up on trying to follow the trail that is "Character glitches matching up to certain wanted future characters". I mean, has anything from Bayonetta's recent glitches been able to correspond to anything with Min Min?

Huge arms that hurts a lot and who have no hitbox on them.

 

[helloiamhere]

Baseless speculation:

I have a feeling that Bethesda is the next character. Original plan was that E3 was supposed to be 2 characters like it was last year. Start with the 'expected pick' (Arms character and Hero) and end with the wtf holy **** character (Bethesda and Banjo) I was one of the 5 people that wanted Vault Boy as a playable character but welp. It looks like it will be between Doomguy or Dragonborne and I would rather much have Doomguy but Todd will stop at nothing to get Skyrim in literally everything.

Geno will probably be the second half of the FP, I'm pretty confident he's in.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I have given up on trying to follow the trail that is "Character glitches matching up to certain wanted future characters". I mean, has anything from Bayonetta's recent glitches been able to correspond to anything with Min Min?

Yep, quite a bit actually. This is a link to my post in March that has a link to my theorycraft in February:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-2598#post-23887709

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Baseless speculation:

I have a feeling that Bethesda is the next character. Original plan was that E3 was supposed to be 2 characters like it was last year. Start with the 'expected pick' (Arms character and Hero) and end with the wtf holy **** character (Bethesda and Banjo) I was one of the 5 people that wanted Vault Boy as a playable character but welp. It looks like it will be between Doomguy or Dragonborne and I would rather much have Doomguy but Todd will stop at nothing to get Skyrim in literally everything.

Geno will probably be the second half of the FP, I'm pretty confident he's in.

Considering Bethesda had nothing of their own to show for E3, since everything got delayed they could've had Vault Boy moved to FP6 instead of FP7.

 

[SSGuy]

I have given up on trying to follow the trail that is "Character glitches matching up to certain wanted future characters". I mean, has anything from Bayonetta's recent glitches been able to correspond to anything with Min Min?

Yes.

The noodle arm turning into a dragon's arm via grab. That was why I was thinking Min Min was the most likely choice. Most of my thoughts for FP6 before ARMS had to do with character that could change visuals. Dante was a character that came to mind but Min Min was the only ARMS character to have a key visual change to justify her fitting Bayonetta's template.

 

[AugustusB]

Yep, quite a bit actually. This is a link to my post in March that has a link to my theorycraft in February:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-2598#post-23887709

Looking back over your posts and honestly, it is becoming really hard for me to not think Ness could have been used as inspiration for Geno as far as properties go. I am even taking out the eye glitch that could be nothing.

-Ness uses PSI for attacks.
-Geno is a mage (be it red, black or blue) who is a literal star spirit who uses star MAGIC to attack. (Also guns)
-Both of these characters use their hands to attack with their ability (PSI or Magic)

Just something to add to the table.

 

[EarlTamm]

Hey, does anyone have a link to the video that showcases this Ness eye glitch? I can't seem to find it.

 

[7NATOR]

Hey, does anyone have a link to the video that showcases this Ness eye glitch? I can't seem to find it.

 

[RuffyYoshi]

I'm getting more and more confident that Ness is being used as a base for Geno, the way Bayo was used for MinMin, or how Mii Sword Fighter and Duck Hunt were used for Hero and Banjo, or how Simon was used for Byleth. If say...Sonic ever has a glitch with his forward smash (when he twirls his fist before throwing it) then I have some good news for Rayman fans.

 

[SeasideKingDumb]

This Ness thing is actually huge. I can't think of another character personally who would use the same base code for eye animations than Geno.

This obviously isn't confirmation so I'm not bringing my hopes up but this should narrow down FP7 down a lot

 

[Fatmanonice]

This Ness thing is actually huge. I can't think of another character personally who would use the same base code for eye animations than Geno.

This obviously isn't confirmation so I'm not bringing my hopes up but this should narrow down FP7 down a lot

Exactly and that's the takeaway. Ness is the only character with both "texture" eyes and a stationary hat. Also helps that he's slightly shorter than Mario and has a fairly big (and round) head for his size.

 

[Vector Victor]

Looking back over your posts and honestly, it is becoming really hard for me to not think Ness could have been used as inspiration for Geno as far as properties go. I am even taking out the eye glitch that could be nothing.

-Ness uses PSI for attacks.
-Geno is a mage (be it red, black or blue) who is a literal star spirit who uses star MAGIC to attack. (Also guns)
-Both of these characters use their hands to attack with their ability (PSI or Magic)

Just something to add to the table.

Ness is earthbound. Geno is starbound.

 

[SeasideKingDumb]

I will say I think Ness could be an inspiration for a lot of characters, but I doubt a super realistic / normally proportioned one will be FP7 given the information. I think alongside Geno, it could be someone from possibly the Kirby, Mario, or even Earthbound series (Porky's spirit is still gone, I could see him as a character). But either way this is definitely a good sign, but let's not act like Geno's 100% in just yet lol

 

[Fatmanonice]

Wasn't there a super snarky "Geno from Earthbound" meme on GameFAQs/4chan last year because Geno was supposed to be such a literal who that nobody actually knew what game he came from? ... You love to see it.

 

[JarBear]

Can anyone else remind me what other visual glitches that lead to the idea of characters model was used for another? I recall in the back of my mind their were others but can't quite recall it. I felt like there were more to add to this "visual glitch theory" if that's what we can call it.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Can anyone else remind me what other visual glitches that lead to the idea of characters model was used for another? I recall in the back of my mind their were others but can't quite recall it. I felt like there were more to add to this "visual glitch theory" if that's what we can call it.

Here's my post on the topic back in early February:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-2387#post-23826396

 

[AugustusB]

Yep, quite a bit actually. This is a link to my post in March that has a link to my theorycraft in February:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-2598#post-23887709

Can anyone else remind me what other visual glitches that lead to the idea of characters model was used for another? I recall in the back of my mind their were others but can't quite recall it. I felt like there were more to add to this "visual glitch theory" if that's what we can call it.

Go down Fatman's link then the other one. It is quite a nice read.

EDIT: 'ed in a millisecond!

 

[QQS]

Next Saturday 4thJuly is my birthday and the greatest gift for my 30 years and also some good news in this Virus thing, would be a Geno CGI reveal in #7 during the first 2 weeks of July, to be showcased/explained/available in a September day probably.

Im just way too positive that this is going to end and Geno in Smash will have a part of everyone’s soul that loves him like us.

 

[JarBear]

Thanks Fatmanonice, that's where that came from. So interesting.

 

[Heoj]

I heard from somewhere that the ness glitch was caused by faulty sd's or something like that, is anyone able to debunk that?

 

[Vector Victor]

I'm glad that Ness is already in Smash, even before big named stars like Bowser, Zelda, Sonic, Banjo and Corrin. I could only imagine the opposition he would get when people request him.

'Only one game.'
'No personality.'
'Old obscure character forgotten to time.'
'Only had a cameo in one other game.'
'Creators don't care about him.'
'Only has ironic or bandwagoning fans.'
'Unoriginal character.'
'Irrelevant.'
'There's more important characters.'
'Does nothing for the plot.'

Whew, good thing this never comes up from detractors.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I heard from somewhere that the ness glitch was caused by faulty sd's or something like that, is anyone able to debunk that?

I think the Piranha Plant, Duck Hunt, and Mii Swordfighter glitches were the same way, crashing the game on Multi-man Smash if your SD card was a certain kind, at least if your game was a digital copy (maybe it happened on physical copies as well, I’m not sure).

 

[MisterMike]

Exactly and that's the takeaway. Ness is the only character with both "texture" eyes and a stationary hat. Also helps that he's slightly shorter than Mario and has a fairly big (and round) head for his size.

Another thing to note is how similar they are in terms of their abilities:

• In SMRPG, Geno's main form of offense involves firing projectiles, both physical munitions as well as magic. In Smash, Ness uses a lot of magic-based projectiles.
• In SMRPG, Geno has the ability to temporarily boost his attack with Geno Boost. In Smash, Ness can use PSI Magnet to absorb energy-based projectiles and heal himself. Both are abilities that allow the user to augment their stats, and I can easily see them using the latter as the basis for the former.
• Ness' recovery involves firing off a small projectile. I could easily see this being the basis for Geno's recovery. Example here: Go to the secontion about Geno's Up Special.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Ok I’ve done research on Geno’s moveset and I came to the conclusion that he should stay in cannon form at all times

 

[Spatulo]

Ok I’ve done research on Geno’s moveset and I came to the conclusion that he should stay in cannon form at all times

Monkey’s paw, Geno is playable but he’s literally only the cannon, he never changes form

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Monkey’s paw, Geno is playable but he’s literally only the cannon, he never changes form

a monkey paw has downsides tho

 

[AdamBel731]

So, here's my biggest theory of all-time: do you guys remember how we we're supposed to get a Mario presentation in March/April/June (depends on who you believe). What if the presentation (or it's contents) was delayed to a Nintendo "E3" showcase in July? More specifically, July 14th, the last date mentioned by that Twitter. I mean, think about it:

• This is the 35th anniversary of Mario, which is supposed to have a lot of announcements for our plumber boy. Plus, with Nintedo saying that everything is on schedule for this fiscal year (if another spike doesn't happen) means that announcements should be coming soon. That also means that they would be able to talk about BOTW2 and other big releases (they would keep some hidden, of course) from this timeframe anytime now. Combine that with the fact that they like to sit on finished games and you get a pretty reasonable holiday lineup. That also explains why the first half of the year felt slow: it was because they hold off some finished games to better pace the releases.
• "But we already got announcements for Paper Mario, LEGO Mario, Mario Kart Tour and the Mario Maker 2's update separately Why won't they just shadow drop" So here's where it gets interesting and what triggered this crazy theory... Let's say that this presentation had this date of July 7th already decided after E3 was cancelled and the world went crazy. What happens to it's rumored contents?
  • Mario Kart Tour's content would've released either way in April, so it was dropped anyways, plus we got another update in the meantime.
  • Mario Maker 2 update had it's development cut short, because we know it was meant to have a Mario 2 style, so it released in April anyways.
  • Paper Mario: The Origami King would've release 2 weeks after this date, which is a really small marketing cycle for a important first-party release.
  • Lego Mario is releasing early August, but since it's a licensed toy, marketing cycles may be different.
  • Super Mario 3D World Deluxe was supposedly delayed from this year's first semester. We have no idea of it's new date, but it's probably in October or November.
  • Mario: The Mushroom Kingdom Collection is probably a September release to tie into the anniversary of Mario.
• Add in any other surprise games and announcements they want to show and you have a pretty solid showcase.
• After E3 was cancelled, some press conferences that usually in June, such as Ubisoft and Microsoft, had their dates set for July. The same could be applied for Nintendo.
  • "So, what happens on July 6th that twitter profile posted?" It's announcement for this showcase happening, since they don't reveal their E3 presentations a day beforehand, because they are the biggest of the year.
  • EDIT: "Why not not July 6 for the fans of the number 7?" Because that would contradict those Twitter dates: why reveal a game a week after you just made a big showcase and not include it in the same thing. (Pokémon is a different circunstance, because of Tencent's project)
• "But Nintendo said to 3rds to announce things anytime, so this means that there's no Directs coming" Actually, no: this only means that the presentation was delayed. It's a lot of work to communicate with other companies, so if they went with the usual, this presentation wouldn't happen until much later. That also means that 3rds wouldn't wait for them anyways, since they need to release their games. The same applies to Nintendo. I know that we entertain the idea of these shadowdrop trailers, but I think Paper Mario and the annoucements above happened for another reason: "They couldn't afford to wait for the presentation, since it would be too close to the planned release". By cutting 3rds from the E3 showcase, they only need their stuff to make it happen soon, rather than trying to put together something that would need to be redone anyways, because the games couldn't afford to wait.
• Now, what ties well into any Direct? That's right, SMASH! I think there was a tie-in reveal for this Mario presentation that was going to release in June, but was pushed to September. Now, remember when we said they would need to announce a character to release it September? So, here's the thing: Character Presentations aren't released far away from their character: at most, it's 2 weeks. So, we would need another presentation to get a reveal before it happens. However, September would be too late, because they would have the issue of another character being revealed alongside it. But "only" Min-Min was delayed based on what Sakurai said, meaning that #7 and #8 are "on track". So they would need to reveal them all in a Direct. A Smash-only Direct is unlikely, since it would take away the purpose of our usual character presentations and vice-versa. Also, they don't release multiple characters so close to each other. So, 7 and 8 would have to both be revealed in a normal one... Remember what we said about E3 never having less than 2 announcements? Yeah, this falls into place here too.
• Hero's release was almost 2 months after E3. Where does this place #7's release? September! What also happens in September? The Square and Mario amiibo restock. What character has ties to Square and Nintendo? That's right, Pinocchio Geno! And just like Hero, he was supposed to be an E3 release. Also, remember how Banjo's date was Fall? Yeah, that's also #8's release date.
• "What about the usual September Direct? Actually, it's kinda simple: since June's presentation was in July, September's would probably go to October (remember that a November Direct was when Cloud got revealed).
  • This also means that there's a good interval between character releases (June - Early September - October or November)
  • This also corroborates everything that was talked about and the drought that we have now is exactly like the droughts we have before E3.

So, in a resume:

• More strength to the fact that Min-Min was an April release
• We're getting our Nintendo E3 showcase (with no 3rds) July 14 (A Tuesday, just like E3)
• Everything is on track, just like Sakurai and Nintendo said. It's just that everything was pushed a little. So, our timeframe theories are still right and this Pass won't be the drag until December 2021 that most people believe. Also that BOTW has a chance for 2020 (which is CRAZY).
• #7 would be a part of the Mario Celebration, whenever it happened. Also, it's Geno, no doubt about it.
  • This also means that #7 would've released at E3, just like how Hero was supposed to last year.
  • But now, it will be Early September, with his presentation coming in the same day, since he was revealed beforehand.
• #8 would be shown at E3 anyways. If we get a full Nintendo showcase, he will appear there to crash the party.
  • He will also be released in a October Direct, just like Banjo was.
• #9 is revealed in that October Direct, because of how unnatural this year is (so #8 is shadow dropped here, not #7).
• #10 is probably a Game Awards reveal or another surprise presentation.
  • If Chief happens, I think he's on the Game Awards, no matter if he's #10 or #11.

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No but seriously, all of that seems awesome if it were true! Though whenever so many signs pile up like that, I feel like Nintendo loves to subvert expectations by shooting that house of cards down and just doing the opposite. That's why I'm always hesitant to get on board with things like this and Geno being Fighter #7. (Him being #7 would be cool, but I'm unsure if it'll actually happen then.) What do you think Fatmanonice ? This man spent a good while crafting this so I'm wondering if your line of thinking lines up with Judd here.

 

[YsDisciple]

Wasn't there a super snarky "Geno from Earthbound" meme on GameFAQs/4chan last year because Geno was supposed to be such a literal who that nobody actually knew what game he came from? ... You love to see it.

Huh, this reminds me of Ness when Super Smash Bros. (64) came out all those years ago.

 

[MrJudd]

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No but seriously, all of that seems awesome if it were true! Though whenever so many signs pile up like that, I feel like Nintendo loves to subvert expectations by shooting that house of cards down and just doing the opposite. That's why I'm always hesitant to get on board with things like this and Geno being Fighter #7. (Him being #7 would be cool, but I'm unsure if it'll actually happen then.) What do you think Fatmanonice ? This man spent a good while crafting this so I'm wondering if your line of thinking lines up with Judd here.

Thanks, AdamBel731 !
It wouldn't be Nintendo if they didn't always shoot our theories down. I know that this has a small odds of coming true, but speculating is still fun, no matter the season: be it E3, a Direct or the Game Awards!

 

[Fatmanonice]

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No but seriously, all of that seems awesome if it were true! Though whenever so many signs pile up like that, I feel like Nintendo loves to subvert expectations by shooting that house of cards down and just doing the opposite. That's why I'm always hesitant to get on board with things like this and Geno being Fighter #7. (Him being #7 would be cool, but I'm unsure if it'll actually happen then.) What do you think Fatmanonice ? This man spent a good while crafting this so I'm wondering if your line of thinking lines up with Judd here.

It's pretty solid. There's a lot suggesting that ARMS was delayed two months and so was the Mario presentation. Because Nintendo rarely makes major announcements in August, they likely decided to postpone the E3 presentation a month instead of two like the others. As others have mentioned, if 77 really is Geno/Waluigi then releasing them in the 35th anniversary of Super Mario Bros month would be all too perfect. Lots lining up in our favor.

 

[Lagguino]

Looking back over your posts and honestly, it is becoming really hard for me to not think Ness could have been used as inspiration for Geno as far as properties go. I am even taking out the eye glitch that could be nothing.

-Ness uses PSI for attacks.
-Geno is a mage (be it red, black or blue) who is a literal star spirit who uses star MAGIC to attack. (Also guns)
-Both of these characters use their hands to attack with their ability (PSI or Magic)

Just something to add to the table.

Another thing to note is how similar they are in terms of their abilities:

• In SMRPG, Geno's main form of offense involves firing projectiles, both physical munitions as well as magic. In Smash, Ness uses a lot of magic-based projectiles.
• In SMRPG, Geno has the ability to temporarily boost his attack with Geno Boost. In Smash, Ness can use PSI Magnet to absorb energy-based projectiles and heal himself. Both are abilities that allow the user to augment their stats, and I can easily see them using the latter as the basis for the former.
• Ness' recovery involves firing off a small projectile. I could easily see this being the basis for Geno's recovery. Example here: Go to the secontion about Geno's Up Special.

Another thing to add for these two is that ness' neutral B is a hold and release type of move something i can definitely see if geno beam was geno's neutral B, but hey i'm just stretching for this one.