Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I agree that the whole "timeframe" is a really poor argument. Byleth was maybe possible. But the only other time beyond that was ARMS, which, you know, is months on end later.

However, after learning more about NDA's, the fact the leak was not taken down(while all other video leaks were taken down immediately) is actually important too. No way Nintendo would've ignored it.

As for the whole "nobody has replicated it", well... that's cause they can't. You can't literally remake the same model as is. You can only come close, but it's impossible to outright replicate. Quite a few modders have come close to the same one as the leak. It's impossible to prove it's fake or real from modders outside of a video of the original being made. It's more or less not a useful argument to make overall.

Overall, honestly? It's fake due to them not taking it down. Keep in mind NDA's do exist for unused content. Leakers are constantly gone after, and we just saw that people leaking unused content were arrested too. Clearly it does matter. Why wouldn't it in this case? We knew jiggle physics were possible, and modders are actually good at what they do. This is an Artsy Omni case here, a master modder who fooled people well. And then realized they failed to make a proper creation video, so can't even admit they made it because they can't legitimately recreate the model since it's entirely impossible.

Which doesn't matter for Geno's chances, since it never was affected by this leak anyway.

 

[Droodle]

I haven't seen the source for the Cacomallow or the Grinch leak. And no one has come out to claim credit for it either.

Therefore they must both be real.

We're getting Isaac, Chorus Kids, Mach Rider, Shadow, and Geno. They ran into trouble getting them ready for the base game, but they have been ready since E3 last year, Springman was a last minute addition; which is why he didn't leak with the Grinch. That is our 6.

 

[Lord Woomy]

As for the whole "nobody has replicated it", well... that's cause they can't. You can't literally remake the same model as is. You can only come close, but it's impossible to outright replicate. Quite a few modders have come close to the same one as the leak. It's impossible to prove it's fake or real from modders outside of a video of the original being made. It's more or less not a useful argument to make overall.

Overall, honestly? It's fake due to them not taking it down. Keep in mind NDA's do exist for unused content. Leakers are constantly gone after, and we just saw that people leaking unused content were arrested too. Clearly it does matter. Why wouldn't it in this case? We knew jiggle physics were possible, and modders are actually good at what they do. This is an Artsy Omni case here, a master modder who fooled people well. And then realized they failed to make a proper creation video, so can't even admit they made it because they can't legitimately recreate the model since it's entirely impossible.

Which doesn't matter for Geno's chances, since it never was affected by this leak anyway.

Nintendo can be wildly inconsistent on this, they never took down any vids covering the Ken Leak like they have for other leaks, despite its legitimacy. Nintendo only seems to go after big leaks that essentially leak the whole game before release (Pokemon breaking street date comes to mind, in which vids covering that got the hammer). I could honestly see Nintendo just not bothering with taking the leak down, hoping not to give it more attention or legitimacy (Things like SwSh though were obviously not fakes, so Ninty prolly saw it as the only method of damage control)
Either way, the sole fact of Nintendo not taking the leak down does not just instantly deconfirm it.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Regarding Cacomallow, I'm not sure any modders came close to replicating it without the weird empty space through the sides of the mii's head; they also ran into compression problems. I know one guy did a Mallow hat, but it had the weird head issue I just mentioned, and it was a port of a hat from Smash 4. I guess modders did manage to come close with the Cacodemon hat, though, even if they didn't position it correctly.

Sounds like it's either Ocarina of Time or it's a collection of Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword. Honestly makes sense since Zelda's 35th anniversary is next year and it's borderline effortless to sell games on Switch.

Sounds disappointing if Majora's Mask doesn't get included, though at least OoT and TP are good too (I haven't played SS yet so I guess that would be a plus).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Nintendo can be wildly inconsistent on this, they never took down any vids covering the Ken Leak like they have for other leaks, despite its legitimacy. Nintendo only seems to go after big leaks that essentially leak the whole game before release (Pokemon breaking street date comes to mind, in which vids covering that got the hammer). I could honestly see Nintendo just not bothering with taking the leak down, hoping not to give it more attention or legitimacy (Things like SwSh though were obviously not fakes, so Ninty prolly saw it as the only method of damage control)
Either way, the sole fact of Nintendo not taking the leak down does not just instantly deconfirm it.

Ken didn't have videos(Cacodemon aside). He had images. And those were actually impossible to take down too, since people just reupload them on 4chan over and over. You also have to remember Youtube's video taken down policy is a lot different from what 4chan's policy is. How is Nintendo able to do anything? Sue them if they don't comply? On a website that is gigantic, throws out 50 million fake leaks a year, and doesn't even cause them any real trouble? How often does real leaks go on there? They would also be shutting down a very popular website entirely to completely stop the leaks, which would affect what people think of them. It's a nightmare to go after places like 4chan. The only thing they do to Youtube is take down certain videos if they fall under copyright issues, and even then they were met with some harsh language for taking down let's plays along with music. It was not a good time for their reputation. They're not going to go after stuff on 4chan as is.

They've taken down every single video leak they could. They aren't remotely inconsistent about it.

Nintendo doesn't work that way, though. This whole "they changed business practices" makes no sense. We saw they hard go after people releasing unused content less than a week ago. Clearly the policy hasn't changed, as we can evidently see.

 

[Springwood Slasher]

Regarding Cacomallow, I'm not sure any modders came close to replicating it without the weird empty space through the sides of the mii's head; they also ran into compression problems. I know one guy did a Mallow hat, but it had the weird head issue I just mentioned, and it was a port of a hat from Smash 4. I guess modders did manage to come close with the Cacodemon hat, though, even if they didn't position it correctly.


Sounds disappointing if Majora's Mask doesn't get included, though at least OoT and TP are good too (I haven't played SS yet so I guess that would be a plus).

you’re not missing much...SS is a linear bore with recurring bosses you fight wayyyy too many times.

OoT > TP > SS

and Cacomallow is REAL!!!

 

[MisterMike]

Oh boy am i ready to make a bingo with some predictions, if those rumors end up being true then what's left of this year will be fantastic

Bingo? Don't you mean Bing?

 

[Malo Mart]

Two things to note:

1. I'm fairly certain Nintendo wouldn't issue takedowns over Cacomallow since at the end of the day, it's just small potatoes compared to other occasions where a substantial amount of content got leaked like with the Pokemon Sword and Shield stuff last year. There's no need to bring more attention to something they'd see as insignificant in the long run, it's called the Streisand Effect.

2. And speaking of which, the exact same thing happened with the Ken leak in 2018, which has way more parallels to Cacomallow than the Grinch leak. Thank you for your services, Thumbs Up Ken!

 

[Lord Woomy]

2. And speaking of which, the exact same thing happened with the Ken leak in 2018, which has way more parallels to Cacomallow than the Grinch leak. Thank you for your services, Thumbs Up Ken!

But no Mallow, you don't seem to understand! CacoMallow = video leak from 4chan that got put on Youtube and was never taken down by Nintendo. Ken Leak = image leak from 4chan that got put on Youtube and was never taken down by Nintendo. See? Completely different!

 

[Franco Geno]

Bingo? Don't you mean Bing?
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Yeah my bad, that's much better

 

[Malo Mart]

But no Mallow, you don't seem to understand! CacoMallow = video leak from 4chan that got put on Youtube and was never taken down by Nintendo. Ken Leak = image leak from 4chan that got put on Youtube and was never taken down by Nintendo. See? Completely different!

****, that's right! How could I forget that Nintendo treats takedowns for image and video leaks differently for some reason? Mission failed, back to the dumpster...

 

[Let Geno Smash]

I haven't seen the source for the Cacomallow or the Grinch leak. And no one has come out to claim credit for it either.

Therefore they must both be real.

We're getting Isaac, Chorus Kids, Mach Rider, Shadow, and Geno. They ran into trouble getting them ready for the base game, but they have been ready since E3 last year, Springman was a last minute addition; which is why he didn't leak with the Grinch. That is our 6.

But.... What happens with KosMos Or SkullKid?

 

[Lord Woomy]

I haven't seen the source for the Cacomallow or the Grinch leak. And no one has come out to claim credit for it either.

Therefore they must both be real.

We're getting Isaac, Chorus Kids, Mach Rider, Shadow, and Geno. They ran into trouble getting them ready for the base game, but they have been ready since E3 last year, Springman was a last minute addition; which is why he didn't leak with the Grinch. That is our 6.

Holy false equivalencies, Batman! If I weren't sitting already, then I'd need to sit down for a minute because good lord that was... something...

 

[Droodle]

Holy false equivalencies, Batman! If I weren't sitting already, then I'd need to sit down for a minute because good lord that was... something...

Doesn't matter!

CACOMALLOW AND GRINCH ARE REAL.

 

[ActualGarbage]

****, that's right! How could I forget that Nintendo treats takedowns for image and video leaks differently for some reason? Mission failed, back to the dumpster...

I'll bake cookies for when you come, I haven't had company in forever!

 

[Fatmanonice]

****, that's right! How could I forget that Nintendo treats takedowns for image and video leaks differently for some reason? Mission failed, back to the dumpster...

Don't worry guys, if Geno's not in, I'll invite you all over to my deluxe mansion to drink away the pain.

 

[Vector Victor]

Sounds like it's either Ocarina of Time or it's a collection of Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword. Honestly makes sense since Zelda's 35th anniversary is next year and it's borderline effortless to sell games on Switch.

Meanwhile, been over 10 years since they last got a newcomer. Which is bull****.

I wonder what made them remake Link's Awakening instead of ALttP or the Oracle games.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The 2018 leak was a pure image one.

Anybody using Youtube to comment on it is not posting a "video leak". That's not what a video leak is. Nor ever has been. It means actual video of the gameplay in action. If Nintendo can't take down the 4chan images, do you honestly think they can do anything to anyone discussing those images? That's actually pointless because they can't take any action against 4chan equally. They can't play favorites. It's an all-or-nothing thing for how much they have to go for.

Do you know how hard it is to pinpoint the actual image poster? And to stop people from posting the image again? Removing a video and suspending the account temporarily on Youtube is vastly easier to do.

 

[Malo Mart]

I'll bake cookies for when you come, I haven't had company in forever!

Don't worry guys, if Geno's not in, I'll invite you all over to my deluxe mansion to drink away the pain.

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Wow, I'm flattered by the welcoming reception of the Geno thread dumpster! I just found some tasty shattered beer bottles and dead rats on the street, we'll have a real banquet tonight!

 

[Franco Geno]

Wow, I'm flattered by the welcoming reception of the Geno thread dumpster! I just found some tasty shattered beer bottles and dead rats on the street, we'll have a real banquet tonight!

We're eating like kings tonight boys, i found two Froot Loops stuck in the wall

 

[pinshadow]

Meanwhile, been over 10 years since they last got a newcomer. Which is bull****.

I wonder what made them remake Link's Awakening instead of ALttP or the Oracle games.

It's the game that most needed a remake and the Oracle games have Capcom ALL over them, plus it's, you know, two games.

The 2018 leak was a pure image one.
Anybody using Youtube to comment on it is not posting a "video leak". That's not what a video leak is. Nor ever has been. It means actual video of the gameplay in action. If Nintendo can't take down the 4chan images, do you honestly think they can do anything to anyone discussing those images? That's actually pointless because they can't take any action against 4chan equally. They can't play favorites. It's an all-or-nothing thing for how much they have to go for.
Besides that, the 2018 Ken image could've still been fake. Just like the Palutena image was. We don't know for sure.

Ken leak is 100% real dude, it has his render.

Sounds like it's either Ocarina of Time or it's a collection of Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword. Honestly makes sense since Zelda's 35th anniversary is next year and it's borderline effortless to sell games on Switch.

Not Wind Waker? I think the idea of Nintendo doing a collection of 3D Zelda remakes makes sense given 2 already exist, and it's weird the Wii U remakes haven't been ported yet, but it doesn't really make any sense not to include that.

-Major early 2010's game getting a Remaster

This is a new one. Well, it's clearly something more OUT there if you won't just say what it is, major early 2010's Nintendo remaster, not Xenoblade, Mario, Zelda...OH. I'm like 90% sure what you're talking about, and all I can say is good luck with that panning out given whats been said about the idea already.

 

[Lord Woomy]

Doesn't matter!

CACOMALLOW AND GRINCH ARE REAL.

Grinch Leak: Trying to decipher blobs that (in hindsight) even looked out of place despite its low quality. Only had a buncha weird coincidences and some marginal effort it would've taken to move some characters going for it. Every insider screamed it was fake hours after it came out.
CacoMallow: High quality looking leak that literally no one has managed to replicate, several modders saying it's probably impossible. Mii hats look like they belong on said characters and are high quality. Insiders never attack legitimacy, meaning it doesn't directly contradict with anything they've heard.
"Surely, these are the same thing!"

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ken leak is 100% real dude, it has his render.

Already removed that. My edited post still stands here.

Nintendo has 100% gone after every real video leak of gameplay footage every time. As long as it's on a place like Youtube where they can easily stop it from happening again. They would've hard taken it down since it's a massive breach of an NDA, and a massive distrust towards them. They expect people to keep it secret when they sign an NDA. It's a legal thing too. They're legally obliged to go after those who break NDA.

4chan is an anonymous website. It's near impossible to pinpoint who actually posted the original image leak(video leaks aren't even posted on 4chan that were real. The last video leak on there was a fake somebody created), so shutting that person down and making sure every single reposted image is removed is impossible. They'd have to shut down the entire website to force that. Nintendo can't get it shut down when only one person who they aren't able to easily pinpoint is breaking NDA, and only possibly. They might just be a person who was given the content while the actual person who broke NDA never posted. Youtube? Pfft, that's easy to remove any video leak with no hassle. Youtube is strict like that and will follow up on it immediately.

It's a matter of ease, and video leaks coincidentally aren't thrown on 4chan if they're real. At least when it comes to Nintendo products. Probably the luckiest coincidence ever for Nintendo to take action too.

 

[Spatulo]

-Major early 2010's game getting a Remaster

Oh my...
If that’s

If that’s what I think it is

There’s gonna be an Uprising

 

[MattX20]

Well, I missed a big update it seems. Tony Hawk remasters of all things helps Geno and Crash Bandicoot's chances? I never thought that would be a thing, but here we are

 

[Lord Woomy]

Someone: Leaks NDA info via images
Nintendo: kalm
Someone: Leaks NDA info via video
Nintendo: panik

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

So, I guess I'll do a quick recap of all the major lingering Nintendo rumors since the fall since it sounds like we're probably no more than a month away from a major news dump:

-BotW 2 for 2020 or pretty damn close
-3D Mario and 3D Zelda Remasters
-Pikmin 3 and Super Mario 3D Squirrel ports
-New Paper Mario or Paper Mario 64 Remake
-New 2D Metroid or Super Metroid Remaster
-Tomodachi Life/Miitopia sequel or Switch Remaster
-Fire Emblem 6/7 Remake
-New Donkey Kong platformer
-Major SNES Online game dump

And for the super vague ones that you all hate but the surprises will be worth it if true:

-Remake of a dead franchise (possibly two)
-New installment of a dead franchise
-Major early 2010's game getting a Remaster

-At this point im not expecting BotW 2 at least until mid 2021. Such a large to be released this soon during this time period.
-3D Marios are something that even Gamexplain's Jonneh reported upon.........but im not seeing it. At best i see upscaled digital only ports. I do see Skyward Sword making it into the Switch though.
-Pikmin 1 and 2 made it to the Wii, so this doesn't surprise me. Neither does 3D World.
-Not now. Super is the ONE game that doesn't need a remake, and Metroid's focus for now seem to be solely on developing that damn 4th Prime game that will never come out.
-Possible. But at the same time, Miis on the Switch are an afterthought. Compared to their presence on the Wii, Wii U and 3DS, they are more of an artifact and formality in Nintendo now.
-Again, possible. I do remember seeing an old interview saying how one of the IS guys wanted to remake the Elibe games, but that was years back when the 3DS was brand new (i remember ChronoBound poiting out this interview no less)
-If Retro is working on Prime 4 as i remember correctly, yeah not not happening for now. Unless Monster Games (the ones behind DKCR 3DS) take the lead on this project. Also if im wrong and a new DK game is made, is fair to say it will feature K.Rool right?
-Ehhh? Sure.

-You mean Golden Sun right? Remake of possibly 2 games, and Golden Sun and Lost Age were supposed to be one game. This one seems a little obvious to me.
-............no comment.
-I Swear this one should be easier to point out but my stupid brain is not functioning.

Overall, a lot of these rumors sound they will likely not be announced this year. Maybe by the end of 2020 (assuming we get there) 4 or 3 of the things you mentioned will pan out. and i wouldn't be surprised if a "Gematsu Leak" situatoin pans out (A.K.A these rumors WERE supposed to happen, but got postponed and/or scrapped)

 

[Franco Geno]

Well, I missed a big update it seems. Tony Hawk remasters of all things helps Geno and Crash Bandicoot's chances? I never thought that would be a thing, but here we are

Yeah pretty crazy isn't it?

 

[Lord Woomy]

Detractors: "Haha, Geno can't get in because he's not hip with the kids."
Geno:

Yeah pretty crazy isn't it?View attachment 271583

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, I missed a big update it seems. Tony Hawk remasters of all things helps Geno and Crash Bandicoot's chances? I never thought that would be a thing, but here we are

There's a ton of great games. Also, Crash got a game within the past couple years, so... I'd say Geno needs way more help.

There's a ton of games who could use an updated re-release too. SMRPG is just one example. Obviously we all know I'd love Quest 64 to get one(done right, Changing the battle system is a big no-no in an rpg. There's nothing to fix. You can give it some updates to make it better, but a complete overhaul misses the point. Just make a sequel then).

 

[Griselda]

Yeah pretty crazy isn't it?View attachment 271583

..I was just getting ready to do something like this.

I still might.

 

[Franco Geno]

Detractors: "Haha, Geno can't get in because he's not hip with the kids."
Geno:

I still can't believe they're actually remaking these classic games
Edit: Griselda please do and also nice to see you again!

 

[MarioRaccoon]

So, I guess I'll do a quick recap of all the major lingering Nintendo rumors since the fall since it sounds like we're probably no more than a month away from a major news dump:

-BotW 2 for 2020 or pretty damn close
-3D Mario and 3D Zelda Remasters
-Pikmin 3 and Super Mario 3D Squirrel ports
-New Paper Mario or Paper Mario 64 Remake
-New 2D Metroid or Super Metroid Remaster
-Tomodachi Life/Miitopia sequel or Switch Remaster
-Fire Emblem 6/7 Remake
-New Donkey Kong platformer
-Major SNES Online game dump

And for the super vague ones that you all hate but the surprises will be worth it if true:

-Remake of a dead franchise (possibly two)
-New installment of a dead franchise
-Major early 2010's game getting a Remaster

- In a normal year I would totally think that BOTW2 is releasing late 2020 to compete PS5/XSX launches, after COVID19 situation, I thought of a earlier 2021 (late march like AC NH) situation. Now after Nintendo's software forecast for FY2020-21, I think it will released spring 2021. I mean, the game would have more than 4 years of development (reusing the same engine and some assets), that would be a lot of time to make an incredible game (with the assistance of Monolith)
- We already know about the 3D Mario remasters and I agree we will have 3D Zelda remasters in the future (9 months later after BOTW2 would be a correct release, so if BOTW2 releases May 2021, this 3D collection would be early 2020), but I think it will be a collection of Zelda Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and Skyword Sword HD remasters. They already have WW and TP remastered for WiiU so it would be very easy to port it to Switch (hopefully they change for better TP remaster). SS requires some retweaks of his controls to be playable at portable mode. Ocarina of Time deserves a reimagination like FFVII or Resident Evil 2 than a HD port of 3DS version.
- I agree, SM3DW DX will probably release this 2Q and Pikmin 3 DX early 2021.
- Agreed, I think that Paper Mario 64 remake was a 3DS project that got canned and Switch we will get a new PM later this year.
- Agreed, as Paper Mario case, I can see Super Metroid remake as another 3DS project that didn't happen and we will get a brand new Metroid 2D early 2021. (for this FY)
- I had a dream of a future RPG Mii based game being very similar of Persona formula but with more emphasize of SIM component, like a mix of Tomadochi Life with Miitopia. I think this is a late 2021 or 2022 project. Is one of the few IPs that don't have an entry of Switch and can sell more than 10 million copies.
- Its already being mentioned but a FE remake was planned for 3DS, I think that it will be release for Switch but mid 2022, Three Houses was released last year and DLC finished 3 months ago, also IS are occupied with Paper Mario and maybe a new Wario Ware, so I think that we should wait a bit.
- I agree that we will get a new DK platform but the question is who would be the developer as Retro Studios are with Metroid Prime 4. Maybe Next Level Games ? They are a great studio with potential to make an excellent Donkey Kong game (hopeful is full 3D). But in that case, we will not see it until late 2022.

About the revival of dead franchises, I would love remakes of Last Story, Pandora's Tower or Sin & Punishment with gameplay tweaks and QoL changes but that part is pure speculation.

With all of this, I think that Switch 2020-22 lineup from Nintendo may be, I'm only thinking of retail releases:

2020 (2H): Paper Mario, SMW3D DX, Super Mario 3D Collection, Wario Land VB remake, 1 IP revival, 1 expanded audience title (Nintendogs?) (Total: 6 + 5 H1 = 11)
2021: Pikmin 3 DX, Metroid 2D, Bayonetta 3, Zelda BOTW2, Mario Golf, new Kirby, Detective Pikachu 2, Wario Ware, Pikmin 4, Pokemon Diamond/Pearl remake, 1-2 expanded audience titles, 1-2 IP revivals. (14)
2022: Zelda 3D Collection, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Kirby 3D Collection (Crystal Shards, Epic Yarn and Return to Dreamland), Fire Emblem 6/7 remake, Donkey Kong 3D (NLG), Wario Land (Good-Feel), next Grezzo title, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (new or remake), Tomadochi Life/Miitopia, 1-2 expanded audience titles, 1-2 IP revivals. (13)

 

[TheCJBrine]

The 2018 leak was a pure image one.

Anybody using Youtube to comment on it is not posting a "video leak". That's not what a video leak is. Nor ever has been. It means actual video of the gameplay in action. If Nintendo can't take down the 4chan images, do you honestly think they can do anything to anyone discussing those images? That's actually pointless because they can't take any action against 4chan equally. They can't play favorites. It's an all-or-nothing thing for how much they have to go for.

Do you know how hard it is to pinpoint the actual image poster? And to stop people from posting the image again? Removing a video and suspending the account temporarily on Youtube is vastly easier to do.

To be fair, Cacomallow also came from 4chan originally. Though, I suppose at least a few or so of the Youtube channels sharing the videos should've been hunted by the Ninteninja-inator 9000, even if it couldn't stop the videos from repeatedly being uploaded again...

Tbh, anyone quick enough can easily download leak videos off Youtube too, using another website...

 

[YsDisciple]

Well Genobros, May 13th's right around the corner; making it SMRPG's 24th anniversary (NA release). Oh baby, can't wait for Nintendo to FINALLY shadow drop some more games to the SNES NSO library (which hopefully includes Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). *crosses fingers and attempts performing 100 jumps in a row*

 

[Fatmanonice]

pinshadow It's actually not new, I've just lumped it in with the "7 2020 Remakes/Remasters" rumor in the past. Since 4 of the 7 have come out thanks to other people and even more remasters/remakes have been teased since then, I figured I'd break it apart from the overall lump.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

To be fair, Cacomallow also came from 4chan originally. Though, I suppose at least a few or so of the Youtube channels sharing the videos should've been hunted by the Ninteninja-inator 9000, even if it couldn't stop the videos from repeatedly being uploaded again...

Everything on 4chan also happens to get taken down. Besides that, Nintendo can't pinpoint anyone without an extreme amount of work due to the anonymous factor, nor does 4chan itself hold responsibility for what is posted there due to their own policy. Nintendo... can't actually do anything at all. For Youtube, you remove a video and warn a specific account to not do it again. It's hyper easy in comparison. If they do it again, they can pinpoint who uploaded the video too since they aren't actually anonymous.

But that's good to know. However, it doesn't really change that Nintendo didn't go after the Youtube thing. They wouldn't ignore it once they knew it existed.

To clear it up, Nintendo doesn't know half the leaks that happen because they don't get mainstream enough to easily catch their attention. Youtube is one case where it does, because it goes viral and is very easy to see via a once in a while search.

That's why it not being taken own on Youtube alone is the problem. 4chan is just a different kind of website that they can do practically nothing about. Taking videos down is a matter of legal action. NDA's are worthless if they don't take legal action when a person breaks them. Nintendo has to consistently do something if they find a person is breaking NDA. Otherwise, the legal action has no meaning. Another example is protecting their IP. Due to copyright, they need to protect their IP whenever possible, or risk losing it. It's no different here with legal actions.

 

[Griselda]

Only took me a little while.

 

[axel_]

The leak did a titanic for me with that interview that people argue debunk Doomguy or not (with me being on the debunk part) + it has taken so long yet we have gotten nothing.

Doomguy doesn't matter in any way when we have other 100% unrelated third parties (like Ubisoft) with costumes but no fighter. Even with the interview that said they have no plans, that can always be talk under NDA. Remember Grant Kirkhope when he was fully aware that BK was coming?

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you .......

— Grant Kirkhope (@grantkirkhope) May 31, 2019

Plus it'd be a much bigger surprise if they're like "we haven't even talked" so no one is expecting it and then being all like "HAHA GOTCHA, DG IS IN SMASH!". Not that I think that's happening, but I can still see CacoMallow being real despite DG not being in.

Time for me to repeat this again: Marty Stratton is an executive producer at ID SOFTWARE. Cross-promotional stuff would 99% be handled by BETHESDA, and we already know that Pete Hines has talked to Nintendo about Smash. Even then, Stratton's wording conveniently brings up Nintendo asking them, not the other way around.

Spoiler: It's gonna happen.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Do you think Nintendo's still going to go through with that Mario presentation or do you think they've chopped it up to spread out over the summer?