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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Lord Woomy

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It doesn't matter that literally no other modder can make as clean a costume as CacoMallow
"How do you guys not understand? You just copy and paste the Mii hats on to the Miis, it's not that hard! Don't tell me you've never used the copy and paste feature on your computer, see you have to do is either right click or press ctrl+c..." (Followed by 8 more paragraphs that somehow all manage to be about absolutely nothing)
 
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"How do you guys not understand, you just copy and paste the Mii hats on to the Miis, it's not that hard! Don't tell me you've never used the copy and paste feature on your computer, see you have to either right click or press ctrl+c..." (Followed by 8 more paragraphs that somehow all manage to be about absolutely nothing)
"Also I don't think he'll be a fighter, therefore, he won't be!"
 

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Or sometimes...
"I actually love Geno but after insert tragic backstory here I can't see him getting in anymore as a fighter. In this essay, I will..."
“but the Deluxe Mii Costume treatment is perfect for him... let me explain why...”
 

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“but the Deluxe Mii Costume treatment is perfect for him... let me explain why...”
"He just fits better as a costume instead of a fighter."

"... what? You don't agree with me? ****ing toxic community, you guys just don't get it. Why are you entitled to Geno more than me, a fake fan who doesn't actually want him?"
 

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Alright let’s drop the passive aggressive jabs it’s entirely childish and is incredibly ill mannered. If it continues from this point each one will be warned.

How about this, the music licensing has apparently been an issue with all Square characters up to this point. So theoretically if this is a big enough issue to effect Geno, and Geno is a Bonus post-pass fighter, would you rather Geno come with just a stage and no new music or no new stage but new music?
 
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How about this, the music licensing has apparently been an issue with all Square characters up to this point. So theoretically if this is a big enough issue to effect Geno would you rather Geno come with just a stage and no new music or no new stage but new music?
With the updated text, I'd say music, then. I can live without the stage, but the music, there muuuuuust be some.
 
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Or sometimes...
"I actually love Geno but after insert tragic backstory here I can't see him getting in anymore as a fighter. In this essay, I will..."
"I actually love Geno but after a Dodo killed my parents i can't see him getting in anymore as a fighter. in this essay i will also explain why toucans are scary"
 

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or no new stage
Legally impossible for this to happen since that would be false-advertising of his challenger pack. I also feel like he'd come with more music (and a stage, naturally), unless they want to take him out of FP2 and put him in as a bonus character, then the legality of needing a stage would vanish. I do hope he gets a full challenger pack though.

"I actually love Geno but after a Dodo killed my parents i can't see him getting in anymore as a fighter. in this essay i will also explain why toucans are scary"
Specifically toucans named Dodo or all toucans in general?
 
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Legally impossible for this to happen since that would be false-advertising of his challenger pack. I also feel like he'd come with more music (and a stage, naturally), unless they want to take him out of FP2 and put him in as a bonus character, then the legality of needing a stage would vanish. I do hope he gets a full challenger pack though.



Specifically toucans named Dodo or all toucans in general?
In terms of a Bonus character it’s not impossible. I figured that was implied but I’ll edit it in.
 

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Alright let’s drop the passive aggressive jabs it’s entirely childish and is incredibly ill mannered. If it continues from this point each one will be warned.

How about this, the music licensing has apparently been an issue with all Square characters up to this point. So theoretically if this is a big enough issue to effect Geno, and Geno is a Bonus post-pass fighter, would you rather Geno come with just a stage and no new music or no new stage but new music?
I'd rather him come with music honestly, especially remixes. We have a lot of Mario stages already and being able to bop that music to all of them would be great.
 

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You know...

It would be pretty funny if during Geno's gameplay trailer , there is a shot with him being surprised at a mii wearing his outfit , like he's some kind of imposter that's trying to infiltrate Star Road lol.
For all we know we could get BOTH a playable Geno , and his costume. It's not like they removed the K.Rool and Isabelle costume after all.

When it come to music , one thing to know is that the rights to FF/DQ music is a mess. But despise that , Sakurai managed to bring 8 DQ songs (4 Heroes logic or not , it's super impressive considering SE barely give music with DLCs usually) , and the SMRPG ost fully belong to Square Enix.
I don't understand why people are so pessimistic about that part when Hero brought so much music , I think we could easily get around 10 songs and 2/3 remixes at least.
-Fight Against Monsters (remix)
-Fight Against an Armed boss
-Fight Against Smithy/Who likes transforming (remix (I know it's 2 tracks but SHHHHHHHHH))
-Beware the Forest Mushrooms (remix)
-Booster Tower/My Name is Booster
-Barrel Volcano
-Let's go down the Wine River
-Docaty Mountain Railroad
-Slope
-Goodbye Geno (remix)

Also , one thing to remember everyone ; If Nintendo want to come back to SE for a character , it's really for someone they would consider super important imo. After all , they have all their first party catalogue , and ton of other companies to ask characters from.

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Also , when it come to that deluxe mii costume treatment...
I find it both a blessing and a curse ; It give spotlight to characters who didn't had much of a chance to get in Smash to start with , but it also became impossible to talk about any Indie character without the "YOU KNOW WHAT , THEY WOULD FIT NICELY AS A COSTUME DESPISE ALL THEIR COOL MOVESET POTENTIAL. ALSO BRING THE MOST BORING TRACK WITH THEM." (Seriously , I would be disapointed if we got Hat Kid , but no "Your Contract has expired" or "Battle of Award 42")
 

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Alright let’s drop the passive aggressive jabs it’s entirely childish and is incredibly ill mannered. If it continues from this point each one will be warned.

How about this, the music licensing has apparently been an issue with all Square characters up to this point. So theoretically if this is a big enough issue to effect Geno, and Geno is a Bonus post-pass fighter, would you rather Geno come with just a stage and no new music or no new stage but new music?
At least from what I understand, all the original tracks composed for Super Mario RPG were handled by Yoko Shimomura and possibly owned by her too (this part I'm not sure of). Given her contributions to Smash Bros since Brawl, I doubt there would be the same legal headaches FF and DQ had
 
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At least from what I understand, all the original tracks composed for Super Mario RPG were handled by Yoko Shimomura and possibly owned by her too (this part I'm not sure of). Given her contributions to Smash Bros since Brawl, I doubt there would be the same legal headaches FF and DQ had
If Yoko own the OST , I'm sure we would have got some SMRPG tunes in Smash by now.
I think SE fully own the OST , making negociations very easy.

It's also worth nothing that some SMRPG tracks are remixes of music from older Mario games. (Like how "Fight against an armed boss" is a remix of Super Mario Bros 3 boss theme)
 

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Alright let’s drop the passive aggressive jabs it’s entirely childish and is incredibly ill mannered. If it continues from this point each one will be warned.

How about this, the music licensing has apparently been an issue with all Square characters up to this point. So theoretically if this is a big enough issue to effect Geno, and Geno is a Bonus post-pass fighter, would you rather Geno come with just a stage and no new music or no new stage but new music?

Honestly I'll take geno as a fighter and nothing else. But if i had to go with one then it's music with no stage.
 

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Not related to Geno, but I just wanna take a moment to wish this man a Happy Birthday. Etika was my favorite YouTuber and I was so devastated when I heard he passed away. I miss his streams and Smash reactions so much. I hope he has a damn good one up in Heaven today.
Etika_.jpg
 
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Honestly I'll take geno as a fighter and nothing else. But if i had to go with one then it's music with no stage.
I feel like the majority will agree with this. Music tends to be more important than stages, even moreso when you mostly/only play BF/FD versions of stages.

Also considering Geno is Mario-universe, like how Byleth is FE-universe, I do hope that means regardless if he gets a stage or not, that all his SMRPG tracks get added to all Mario stages. That will be amazing and I'll have to tweak all those stages to favor his songs.
 
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So good morning everyone. Anything new in the realm of Geno fandom? Any juicy rumors or leaks perhaps?

EDIT: Didn't see the "no more passive aggressive jabs" until after posting about my treatise.
 
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So good morning everyone. Anything new in the realm of Geno fandom? Any juicy rumors or leaks perhaps?

EDIT: Didn't see the "no more passive aggressive jabs" until after posting about my treatise.
Man if we got something weekly that'd be amazing. I'm totally expecting like a ton of stuff to start being fake-leaked (potentially even real-leaked) in 2-3 weeks though with June coming up, considering that direct or no, they can't leave the ARMS rep hanging past June.
 
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Listen fellas, I don't have much time, I have information on Geno's inclusion in Sma-
 

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Man if we got something weekly that'd be amazing. I'm totally expecting like a ton of stuff to start being fake-leaked (potentially even real-leaked) in 2-3 weeks though with June coming up, considering that direct or no, they can't leave the ARMS rep hanging past June.
In the sales reports that came out last week it says that the Smash DLC will come out from June, which means that the character of Arms is not going to be delayed
 

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.............Burb is that you?
Sorry to respond to an old post, but I have some guy in my Inbox actually accusing me of being the banned user you're responding to, and used this post as proof that the user in question was an alt account of mine, so I want to make things clear.

I dunno if you were joking here or were actually trying to accuse this guy of being me, but we're not the same person. I don't even know who that guy was. I've already come to this thread on multiple occasions to make callouts using my real account, so there's no reason for me to suddenly decide to do it while disguised on trip #4.
 

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"It's just coming with the Square rep in FP2. Also CacoMallow and Mii Costume Leaker are clearly fakes. It doesn't matter that literally no other modder can make as clean a costume as CacoMallow and MCL just got lucky with random guesses." -The Detractors
I think Geno has a shot, but I don't belive Cacamallow
 

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In the sales reports that came out last week it says that the Smash DLC will come out from June, which means that the character of Arms is not going to be delayed
Even if the release got delayed, there's no reason the reveal has to be anyway, so even without that knowledge, unless Sakurai and everyone at Nintendo got sick, it's a guarantee June will reveal the ARMS rep at the bare minimum, but honestly I'm expecting #7 as well. Would also be nice to see #8 or an extra character (outside the FP).

I think Geno has a shot, but I don't belive Cacamallow
Which is fine, but it is kinda suspect that no other modder can replicate it, y'know? Which means you literally have the best of the best Smash SuperModder making a fake leak, or it's legitimate. This isn't at all the same thing as Grinch Leak or even Rayman Leak. Grinch was a total gray area and anyone *could* make the Rayman one.

As soon as another person is able to replicate CacoMallow, that's when I'll start to doubt it greatly. It's just weird that it's been months since it's been out and NOT ONE OTHER PERSON can do it.
 
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Which is fine, but it is kinda suspect that no other modder can replicate it, y'know? Which means you literally have the best of the best Smash SuperModder making a fake leak, or it's legitimate. This isn't at all the same thing as Grinch Leak or even Rayman Leak. Grinch was a total gray area and anyone *could* make the Rayman one.

As soon as another person is able to replicate CacoMallow, that's when I'll start to doubt it greatly. It's just weird that it's been months since it's been out and NOT ONE OTHER PERSON can do it.
The leak did a titanic for me with that interview that people argue debunk Doomguy or not (with me being on the debunk part) + it has taken so long yet we have gotten nothing. The fact that they just added Ken into that video leak screams "winkwink" this is fake. Had they shown it of without Ken, then it would slice some doubt off.

PS And yes, the MCL could be just lucky or it could have some info right sprinkle out with some false like a lot of leaks has
 
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So, there was something I just realized that may affect when we're getting the next character presentation and the next character reveal (theory time): Remember how Byleth's presentation came out two weeks before release to avoid possible leaks within Nintendo? While we know the franchise and the reveal didn't leak for ARMS, if a shadowdrop happened, we would know something about who it is beforehand. Byleth almost was revealed before then and the Mii Costumes leaked minutes before, even with these measures. They're possibly doing the same thing for ARMS. They said that the character is going to be announced and released in June, but not that the announcement and the release would be in the same day.

Applying that same logic, they would only be able to shadowdrop a character if he was announced, at least, 2 weeks before. So, I think it's really unlikely that we get only #6 in June and we're kept in the dark again. "Then, why not do a presentation for #7 the same way"? By the time #7 is ready for launch, it will be around the next Direct, which is not happening anytime soon, so instead of a jumbled: #7 Presentation -(1 week)-> Direct -(1 week)-> #7 Release, we get #7 shadowdropped in a Direct, but announced beforehand.

In resume:
- 1st half of June: Presentation for #6 and reveal for #7 (can reveal more characters, but I only expect these two).
- 2nd half of June: Release of #6.
- Next Nintendo Direct: Reveal of #8 and presentation for #7 after the Direct.
 
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How about this, the music licensing has apparently been an issue with all Square characters up to this point. So theoretically if this is a big enough issue to effect Geno, and Geno is a Bonus post-pass fighter, would you rather Geno come with just a stage and no new music or no new stage but new music?
I'd say it's better to get a new stage and no new music, in this scenario. Why? Geno's advantage is that since he's from a Mario game, they could technically use all of the Mario songs for his hypothetical stage. So compared to Hero and Cloud, while he might not get new music here like they did, he can have a total of 90+ songs for use on his stage and his game gets more representation, so I'd say that's a pretty good outcome.
 

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I'd say it's better to get a new stage and no new music, in this scenario. Why? Geno's advantage is that since he's from a Mario game, they could technically use all of the Mario songs for his hypothetical stage. So compared to Hero and Cloud, while he might not get new music here like they did, he can have a total of 90+ songs for use on his stage and his game gets more representation, so I'd say that's a pretty good outcome.
I actually agree. And to developp on this ;

Geno could bring music from other Mario RPGs as a bonus. There is barely any Paper Mario music in Smash , and Mario and Luigi still have a lot to offer.
 

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So, there was something I just realized that may affect when we're getting the next character presentation and the next character reveal (theory time): Remember how Byleth's presentation came out two weeks before release to avoid possible leaks within Nintendo? While we know the franchise and the reveal didn't leak for ARMS, if a shadowdrop happened, we would know something about who it is beforehand. Byleth almost was revealed before then and the Mii Costumes leaked minutes before, even with these measures. They're possibly doing the same thing for ARMS. They said that the character is going to be announced and released in June, but not that the announcement and the release would be in the same day.

Applying that same logic, they would only be able to shadowdrop a character if he was announced, at least, 2 weeks before. So, I think it's really unlikely that we get only #6 in June and we're kept in the dark again. "Then, why not do a presentation for #7 the same way"? By the time #7 is ready for launch, it will be around the next Direct, which is not happening anytime soon, so instead of a jumbled: #7 Presentation -(1 week)-> Direct -(1 week)-> #7 Release, we get #7 shadowdropped in a Direct, but announced beforehand.

In resume:
- 1st half of June: Presentation for #6 and reveal for #7 (can reveal more characters, but I only expect these two).
- 2nd half of June: Release of #6.
- Next Nintendo Direct: Reveal of #8 and presentation for #7 after the Direct.
Your theory faults on the fact that they added him due to DlC. And marketingmoves like that is somethink you don't move for the "sake of not leaking it". If that was the logic then we would have know everything about Smash Ultimate when it were announced
 
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The leak did a titanic for me with that interview that people argue debunk Doomguy or not (with me being on the debunk part)
Doomguy doesn't matter in any way when we have other 100% unrelated third parties (like Ubisoft) with costumes but no fighter. Even with the interview that said they have no plans, that can always be talk under NDA. Remember Grant Kirkhope when he was fully aware that BK was coming?

Plus it'd be a much bigger surprise if they're like "we haven't even talked" so no one is expecting it and then being all like "HAHA GOTCHA, DG IS IN SMASH!". Not that I think that's happening, but I can still see CacoMallow being real despite DG not being in.

+ it has taken so long yet we have gotten nothing.
As irrelevant as Geno in today's gaming industry. Mii costumes can be made long in advance.

The fact that they just added Ken into that video leak screams "winkwink" this is fake. Had they shown it of with Ken, then it would slice some doubt off.
It actually gives a nod to the Ken leak and doesn't affect the legitimacy in any way. The fact of the matter is no one can replicate the costumes being that clean.

PS And yes, the MCL could be just lucky or it could have some info right sprinkle out woth some false like a lot of leaks has
Totally possible. I don't believe MCL as much as I do CacoMallow since it's just text on a screen vs something that no other modder can do. That said, we still have CacoMallow as an unconfirmed leak.
 

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Plus it'd be a much bigger surprise if they're like "we haven't even talked" so no one is expecting it and then being all like "HAHA GOTCHA, DG IS IN SMASH!". Not that I think that's happening, but I can still see CacoMallow being real despite DG not being in.
They straight up said that the talk never went serious.. Which is why I doubt we aren¨t even gonna get a costume.
About, Kirkhope. His wording is basically a "maybe but I doubt it", whereas the one that got interviewed literally said "no". It¨s sort of like how when Phill Spencer were asked he was still asked about Banjo if he were okay, and he answered "Yes"... He didn¨t say that Banjo was in, he answered a yes about if he were okay with it. You always have to look at the wording + context.

Could the one being interviewed lied for the sake of NDA... Sure? But I think you see my point

As irrelevant as Geno in today's gaming industry. Mii costumes can be made long in advance.
And with Byleth and Banjo, we saw that we will get Mii Costume from said franchise. But sure.


It actually gives a nod to the Ken leak and doesn't affect the legitimacy in any way. The fact of the matter is no one can replicate the costumes being that clean.
I disagree. People do leak all the time without being caught/revealed. No matter the argument of the Grinch leak, its almost 1½ year, and said person is not revealed. Just because some have tried, does not mean it cannot be modded. And sorry, but having a "nod" just screams... haha, this is fake but people will believe me because of it." to me.
 
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So, there was something I just realized that may affect when we're getting the next character presentation and the next character reveal (theory time): Remember how Byleth's presentation came out two weeks before release to avoid possible leaks within Nintendo? While we know the franchise and the reveal didn't leak for ARMS, if a shadowdrop happened, we would know something about who it is beforehand. Byleth almost was revealed before then and the Mii Costumes leaked minutes before, even with these measures. They're possibly doing the same thing for ARMS. They said that the character is going to be announced and released in June, but not that the announcement and the release would be in the same day.

Applying that same logic, they would only be able to shadowdrop a character if he was announced, at least, 2 weeks before. So, I think it's really unlikely that we get only #6 in June and we're kept in the dark again. "Then, why not do a presentation for #7 the same way"? By the time #7 is ready for launch, it will be around the next Direct, which is not happening anytime soon, so instead of a jumbled: #7 Presentation -(1 week)-> Direct -(1 week)-> #7 Release, we get #7 shadowdropped in a Direct, but announced beforehand.

In resume:
- 1st half of June: Presentation for #6 and reveal for #7 (can reveal more characters, but I only expect these two).
- 2nd half of June: Release of #6.
- Next Nintendo Direct: Reveal of #8 and presentation for #7 after the Direct.
If I'm not mistaken, what happened to the miis is that Vergeben leaked them in GamefaQs in the middle while explaining it in Byleth's moveset
I'm not trying to be passive aggressive, I just thought this would be fun. I made a bingo card for Geno detractors.View attachment 271539
Three things
1- What are you refering with smashbubble?
2- You could add: He is a toy, that is so boring
3- You can another SE characters like Crono, Sora or Lara Croft
 

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If I'm not mistaken, what happened to the miis is that Vergeben leaked them in GamefaQs in the middle while explaining it in Byleth's moveset

Three things
1- What are you refering with smashbubble?
2- You could add: He is a toy, that is so boring
3- You can another SE characters like Crono, Sora or Lara Croft
People say Geno is only popular in the "smash bubble" (in other words the smash speculation community) and outside of that no one knows him. As far as the square characters, I just picked one to not get repetitive. And for the toy one, I wanted to do arguments detractors actually use, not like a spoof.
 

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People say Geno is only popular in the "smash bubble" (in other words the smash speculation community) and outside of that no one knows him. As far as the square characters, I just picked one to not get repetitive. And for the toy one, I wanted to do arguments detractors actually use, not like a spoof.
I mean... it¨s within the Smash bubble he is the most talked about. So that argument is not that weird with the "non-Europe release" and all. I¨m one of many that weren¨t aware of him until I stumble upon the game random on VC during the Wii era...
 
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