Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

By the by, here's a Cacomallow meme I made a couple weeks back but never shared here for some reason:

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I recognize all but the guy in the various middle. Geno, Cacodemon, Dimentio. Who's the blue haired one?

 

[Malo Mart]

I recognize all but the guy in the various middle. Geno, Cacodemon, Dimentio. Who's the blue haired one?

It's Ouma from Danganronpa. He's there in the dumpster as a tongue and cheek joke with an old friend per se, lol.

 

[Qeomash]

I don't think of being an upgraded Mii as an insult.
Dixie is one of my most wanted characters and I think her shot into the game is as a glorified echo.
Echoes and Mii costumes are a way to get more characters in the game. There is a limit to the number of characters we can get in, and I certainly have a lot I'd like to see.
There is no assumption it's negative.

To us, the thread who wants Geno in the game, him being a costume for a second time would be kind of insulting. That's our general opinion, and believe me we've been over and around this same conversation dozens of times with users who come into the thread with the good idea of "Hey, just make him a costume with music! Everyone's happy!" Except, well, we aren't happy. For me, Geno appearing as a costume in Smash 4 was enough to get me to stop caring about the game entirely. I didn't buy the last round of DLC, partially because I was honestly very disappointed at Geno being just a costume.

Honestly, in my opinion, we have enough Mii costumes. Nobody plays the Isaac costume and is happy they have that instead of a playable character. Geno would be exactly the same. People want their characters playable, not for the chance to have a mii cosplay as their character.

However, if this thread has continually been locked, and then when new people come in (twice in a couple pages, quite possibly more), it's seen as their problem for bringing up different points of view, I think it's a bit hypocritical to think it's simply the new person at fault.

The times the thread has been locked is because people come in with the intent to inflame, and too many of our own members rising to the bait. Sorry that some of our members are a little mistrusting of newcomers to the thread.

I don't understand why this thread or this character would be the exception to that exploration. Wouldnt people in here want to help others explore that curiosity?

People in this thread want Geno as a full character. And, again, we have nearly 2700 posts. We've been around the conversation about a return of the Mii Costume--with a songor two included even!--many, many times. While it's never an excuse to get heated, you should've expected a generally negative reaction to the suggestion of a costume instead of playable.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Chrono Trigger wasn't even on the SNES Classic even though it's regarded as one of the best games Of all time, and other Square games like Final Fantasy 3 and, yes, SMRPG were on it too. Square wants to distance themself from Chrono as much as possible it seems

Man, I'm not even a fan of Chrono Trigger and the sting of rejection it gets from Square hurts, you hate to see it

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

...I'm just going to say I'm extremely happy Isaac got a Mii Costume. I'm a huge fan of him being playable, but I can't deny it's a great first thing to have.

There's a lot of characters I'd love to have in, but I'm very happy with Mii costumes too.

That said, I get what you mean. Being a costume again, just slightly more updated and two songs, isn't some big thing. It might be for Nintendo/Sakurai, sure, but not for the fans.

 

[Qeomash]

...I'm just going to say I'm extremely happy Isaac got a Mii Costume. I'm a huge fan of him being playable, but I can't deny it's a great first thing to have.

There's a lot of characters I'd love to have in, but I'm very happy with Mii costumes too.

That said, I get what you mean. Being a costume again, just slightly more updated and two songs, isn't some big thing. It might be for Nintendo/Sakurai, sure, but not for the fans.

I'm glad he wasn't forgotten. I'm still sad he's not playable. A mii costume just isn't the same.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm glad he wasn't forgotten. I'm still sad he's not playable. A mii costume just isn't the same.

Honestly, I'll take it over two(kind of) games of not existing. It's a huge step up.

Of course it isn't the same, but it's a huge improvement over 4. Golden Sun got a ton of content as is, which is really nice. I wish a lot of series got even that much, heh.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Dodo did nothing wrong.

#FreeMyMansDodoHeDidNoMisdeeds

 

[Polarthief]

Dodo did nothing wrong.

#FreeMyMansDodoHeDidNoMisdeeds

Ah Valentina, the one fight where Bowser is not useless because it's 1-on-1 with an all-physical attacker. Seriously, I don't know how else to get past her w/o Bowser taking on the big bird.

As for him doing nothing wrong, I mean, he did choose to be Valentina's servant/slave/pet(?), didn't he? He still follows her around in the epilogue-

Spoiler: Minor SMRPG spoilers for the few of you who haven't beaten the game yet, oh gee oh my

even after she fails to keep/rule over Nimbus Land

-so I mean, he's consciously choosing to be on her side and she's clearly a nutcase. I mean, why does she have a parrot on her head? Why does she always have to drink, even in the middle of battle (she's such a lush)? Why doesn't she wear a bra, again, even during battles? Also, why is Dodo called Dodo despite being a toucan instead of a dodo? That's pretty weird. His parents were total jerks to mess with his head like that. That's not really relevant, I just wanted to say dodo a few more times.

So did he really commit no wrong? I dunno if I can agree with that. He is a cutie patootie, but man, I just don't see why he stays with her.

 

[Spatulo]

Honestly, I'll take it over two(kind of) games of not existing. It's a huge step up.

Of course it isn't the same, but it's a huge improvement over 4. Golden Sun got a ton of content as is, which is really nice. I wish a lot of series got even that much, heh.

For what it’s worth, I was ecstatic to see Custom Robo get as much love as it did (a costume and some spirits). It’s the most acknowledgment the series has gotten in ages lol. Golden Sun I probably would’ve been really happy about were it not for the Grinch stealing Christmas.

But to tie this back into Geno and the idea of him getting a Mii Costume, yes if it happened it would at least be SOMETHING, but if we’re campaigning here there’s no reason we shouldn’t be shooting for the stars.

 

[ZeldaPlayer87]

So I have an interesting question, and I’m sorry if this has been discussed in this thread prior—I haven’t waded my way through all of the pages yet—but what do you guys think about Geno having a voice? He talks in Super Mario RPG right? Do you think he’ll have one, and if so, what will it sound like?

 

[Loliko YnT]

All I'm going to say about the mii costume ;

Sakurai brought back nearly every third party mii costumes , even the one wich had a lot of roles in base game (Knuckles was an AT/Stage Cameo/Spirit , but still got his costume back as DLC) , and Nintendo/Sakurai are the one asking for content , not the other way around.
Sure , SE could have said no to a Geno mii costume. But why ? It's recylcing asset for extra cash , and were fine with the costumes and spirits in Sm4sh/Base Ultimate.
Or is it that Square and Enix are still extremely separated , and you have to talk to one or the other for that kind of stuff ?
It's not like Sakurai didn't wanted the Geno costume back , the vast majority of third party costumes came back (only exception are like MH who got Rathalos as a boss , and the weird lack of Namco costumes) , so why would he ignore the costume when he wouldn't be all that hard to get back ? Especially when he made it such a big deal back in Sm4sh ? It's not like SE has any tangible reason to say no to an extra Geno costume , it's easy extra cash.
If SE really insisted that only DQ content should be added , AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE , then I'll honestly be baffled at why. Maybe Chocobo isn't on the Enix side of negocations (and even then , we have to prove that Square and Enix would be different sides) , but like... Geno belong to SE and nothing else. It's not like he's shared with his OG chara designer or something , if Nintendo ask them for Geno , then only SE decision will matter. He's litteraly one of the easiest characters to fill paperwork with , since he's fully owned by SE and nothing else.
If Sakurai asked for the costume (and I mean , why wouldn't he ? He does it for EVERYONE except Geno , the mii costume he was like , the most proud off back in Sm4sh) then SE virtually had no reason to say no.
Then this beg the question ; WHY DIDN'T HE ASKED TO GET THE MII COSTUME BACK ?! WOULD IT HAVE BEEN REALLY THAT HARD TO GET IT BACK?!

But the more I think about it , and the more arguments I see from each side , and the more I feel like I'm trying to solve a Rumix cube with broken pieces...
God , Square Enix legal rights are such a mess sometimes...

It's just too weird to ignore , and with all the weird stuff that's happening behind the scenes (see PolarThieft list) it's just...
Maybe I'm setting up myself to disapointment even if the Geno fanbase is easily the one who get people everyday saying "TEMPER YOUR EXPECTATIONS AND LOOK AT ALL THE DOOM AND GLOOM SURROUNDING YOUR DANG PUPPET" so lol but I'm sure Geno is coming. Sure they can be tonedeaf at times , but like...
I would honestly be mad if all of this cumulate to nothing because , in the end , we wouldn't even be allowed to make a mii wear Geno's clothes anymore , we don't get a cool trophy with a 3D render , we litteraly got a png we had since years.

 

[Spatulo]

So I have an interesting question, and I’m sorry if this has been discussed in this thread prior—I haven’t waded my way through all of the pages yet—but what do you guys think about Geno having a voice? He talks in Super Mario RPG right? Do you think he’ll have one, and if so, what will it sound like?

This has been brought up but I think it’s still worth discussing cause it feels like everyone has a different take on it haha. My personal opinion is that he should be voiced by Sean Chiplock, take his Revali voice and dial back the asshole and I think he’d be perfect.

In another life I’d want him to be voiced by Chris Niosi but in this universe I don’t see that happening unfortunately

 

[Lagguino]

So I have an interesting question, and I’m sorry if this has been discussed in this thread prior—I haven’t waded my way through all of the pages yet—but what do you guys think about Geno having a voice? He talks in Super Mario RPG right? Do you think he’ll have one, and if so, what will it sound like?

I think it's possible for him to have a voice and im totally ok with it. however im leaning towards him just having Super Mario RPG sound effects which I'm also ok with.

 

[MattX20]

I imagine Geno would have a voice, if only so he can say his "I serve a higher authority" line, whether as a taunt or a win quote

 

[Loliko YnT]

I imagine Geno would have a voice, if only so he can say his "I serve a higher authority" line, whether as a taunt or a win quote

I want him to say "Geno whirl !" just so I can spam the heck out of that side-b and driving my opponent mad lol

 

[Shado-will]

My personal opinion is that he should be voiced by Sean Chiplock, take his Revali voice and dial back the asshole and I think he’d be perfect.

Holy crap, why didn't I think of this before? That would be perfect, but now I'm sad because I know it's not likely to happen.

 

[Polarthief]

I want him to have a voice line for "My name is--" and then followed by some kind of synthesized noises mixed with speech, then resumes: "---but just call me Geno". Maybe as a victory line, maybe as something else, I would just love if it's *somewhere* in the game.

 

[Firox]

Honestly, in my opinion, we have enough Mii costumes. Nobody plays the Isaac costume and is happy they have that instead of a playable character. Geno would be exactly the same. People want their characters playable, not for the chance to have a mii cosplay as their character.

Amen, Reverend. And to be fair, people would be a lot less bitter towards having a mii costume if it actually LOOKED like the given character instead of an alien-headed chibi.

 

[Vector Victor]

Geno: 'In order to properly say my true name, I would have to rip out your tongue and slap you in the face with it. So call me Geno.'

Peach: 'And in the spirit of name changes, I am now known as Peach instead of Toadstool. And for the 7th time, Bowser, I am not changing my name to Chesty LaRue.'

 

[Sigran101]

A lot, and, a lot.. of people forget that Cloud in Sm4sh was meant to be our FF7 Remake celebration.
It was likely way it was a bit easier for them to agree with Cloud rather then any of FF protag like they wanted at the time.
So that "remake celebration" character is already done, the remake was revealed at E3 2015 and Cloud was revealed in November 2015, so the timing fits well for it too.

The "Seven Square" memo is still in effect, many people forget that memo's just don't become useless after one character, it's Square's list of characters Nintendo could pick from, that's what it is.

Nintendo would have no interest in promoting FF7R again, they'll make almost no profit outside of smash with that deal, so it'll be kind of pointless.
Chrono Trigger wasn't even on the SNES Classic even though it's regarded as one of the best games Of all time, and other Square games like Final Fantasy 3 and, yes, SMRPG were on it too. Square wants to distance themself from Chrono as much as possible it seems, so I doubt Nintendo would also want to pick that too, to make Square feel off about it, and the fact they'll once again make little profit outside of smash because they aren't going to release it on Switch, and they aren't going to remake it on the switch either.
ToM spirits also enforces the idea that it's still in effect.

With a overwhelming amount of evidence for Geno, and the fact the timing lines up with him perfectly, like a Hero or Banjo, I believe it's going to be his time.

Citation needed. I don't think Sephiroth has a chance in hell either way, but I definitely don't recall anything about a remake celebration. Sakurai said Square suggested Noctis or Lightning, so I very highly doubt this is accurate. Cloud got in due to his own iconicness, not as an advertisement.

 

[Firox]

Citation needed. I don't think Sephiroth has a chance in hell either way, but I definitely don't recall anything about a remake celebration. Sakurai said Square suggested Noctis or Lightning, so I very highly doubt this is accurate. Cloud got in due to his own iconicness, not as an advertisement.

Exactly. If Cloud were to have been released with Smash ULTIMATE DLC, then I'd buy the fact that he was shilling FF7R. But Sm4sh? Nope. That was a good ol' combination of Sakurai magic and Cloud's own iconicness.

 

[MattX20]

After listening to Sean Chiplock's work as Revali, I can see him working as Geno, though Yuri Lowenthal could also pull the character off too

 

[JoscarGamma]

Citation needed. I don't think Sephiroth has a chance in hell either way, but I definitely don't recall anything about a remake celebration. Sakurai said Square suggested Noctis or Lightning, so I very highly doubt this is accurate. Cloud got in due to his own iconicness, not as an advertisement.

https://sourcegaming.info/2016/01/20/sakurai-x-nomura-creator-interview-2016-part-one/

here is the interview with Sakurai about Clouds inclusion. I don’t remember if there was another one

 

[Firox]

After listening to Sean Chiplock's work as Revali, I can see him working as Geno, though Yuri Lowenthal could also pull the character off too

Every time I try to think of Yuri Lowenthal's voice in my head, all I see is Suzaku Kururugi from Code Geass.

 

[Spatulo]

After listening to Sean Chiplock's work as Revali, I can see him working as Geno, though Yuri Lowenthal could also pull the character off too

I mean **** yeah if we can get the heaven piercer himself I’d definitely take that haha

 

[Sigran101]

https://sourcegaming.info/2016/01/20/sakurai-x-nomura-creator-interview-2016-part-one/

here is the interview with Sakurai about Clouds inclusion. I don’t remember if there was another one

This source literally says they avoided an advertising FF pick and did Cloud instead because he is the most popular and iconic. Pretty much exactly what I said.

 

[Paraspikey]

Citation needed. I don't think Sephiroth has a chance in hell either way, but I definitely don't recall anything about a remake celebration. Sakurai said Square suggested Noctis or Lightning, so I very highly doubt this is accurate. Cloud got in due to his own iconicness, not as an advertisement.

Yes, and I agree with that.

However, the timing honestly fits well with the theory, Square Enix might of not said anything publicly about it to Sakurai but I just have a feeling it was a bit easier for Square to accept Cloud for, yes mostly for his iconicness, but also they'll get a little bit of promotion due to the timing of each reveal.

Apologizes if I acted like it was "fact", it was mostly speculation on my end with that, and I should of explained it more, but it made a lot of sense to me, so.

 

[Sigran101]

After listening to Sean Chiplock's work as Revali, I can see him working as Geno, though Yuri Lowenthal could also pull the character off too

I really can't picture Yuri Lowenthal as Geno. It just doesn't fit imo. Plus I couldn't not picture Sasuke from Naruto and Yosuke from Persona 4. Those are not images that I want to associate with Geno.

 

[Firox]

I really can't picture Yuri Lowenthal as Geno. It just doesn't fit imo. Plus I couldn't not picture Sasuke from Naruto.

But Sawsookay is so edgy! And that hair! So brooding. He'd be a perfect fit for Geno. You know, cuz capes are edgy too. /JK

 

[MisterMike]

So I have an interesting question, and I’m sorry if this has been discussed in this thread prior—I haven’t waded my way through all of the pages yet—but what do you guys think about Geno having a voice? He talks in Super Mario RPG right? Do you think he’ll have one, and if so, what will it sound like?

I shared this a couple of pages ago:

Lemme put it this way: I think it'd be weirder for Geno to get into Smash without being fully voiced. That'd be like if Simon got in without a voice because he never spoke in the classic Castlevania games. In terms of a voice, I imagine Geno sounding something like a typical young man. Think Roy only less intense.

 

[MattX20]

I really can't picture Yuri Lowenthal as Geno. It just doesn't fit imo. Plus I couldn't not picture Sasuke from Naruto and Yosuke from Persona 4. Those are not images that I want to associate with Geno.

Never watched Naruto, I was thinking of his performance as Wonder White from Wonderful 101 myself

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, and I agree with that.

However, the timing honestly fits well with the theory, Square Enix might of not said anything publicly about it to Sakurai but I just have a feeling it was a bit easier for Square to accept Cloud for, yes mostly for his iconicness, but also they'll get a little bit of promotion due to the timing of each reveal.

Apologizes if I acted like it was "fact", it was mostly speculation on my end with that, and I should of explained it more, but it made a lot of sense to me, so.

Except according to the previously linked interview, Nomura literally said that Cloud wasn't from a recent game so he had to ask if Sakurai was sure about it. It's right here:

Nomura: When we first talked, I asked “are you sure you’re okay with Cloud?” He’s not a character from a new game, after all.

Sakurai: But on the other hand, if you think about who to add from Final Fantasy, it’s hard to come up with a choice that’s not Cloud. We could have used Terra or Bartz, protagonists in their own right, but I feel like there would be some people who wouldn’t know who those characters are.

Sakurai absolutely wanted the Final Fantasy protagonist to be someone that everyone would know, not the most profound character or the newest character, or even the one most popular with longtime fans of Final Fantasy. The timing of the initial Final Fantasy Remake announcement, if it was around the time Cloud was revealed (I can't even remember) is likely pure coincidence, and for one major reason that I've brought up over and over: Nintendo stands to gain nothing from advertising Final Fantasy 7 Remake, and no, it is not at all similar to Banjo's situation.

 

[Paraspikey]

Except according to the previously linked interview, Nomura literally said that Cloud wasn't from a recent game so he had to ask if Sakurai was sure about it. It's right here:



Sakurai absolutely wanted the Final Fantasy protagonist to be someone that everyone would know, not the most profound character or the newest character, or even the one most popular with longtime fans of Final Fantasy. The timing of the initial Final Fantasy Remake announcement, if it was around the time Cloud was revealed (I can't even remember) is likely pure coincidence, and for one major reason that I've brought up over and over: Nintendo stands to gain nothing from advertising Final Fantasy 7 Remake, and no, it is not at all similar to Banjo's situation.

Ah, alright, thank you for clearing it up.

 

[SSGuy]

So I have an interesting question, and I’m sorry if this has been discussed in this thread prior—I haven’t waded my way through all of the pages yet—but what do you guys think about Geno having a voice? He talks in Super Mario RPG right? Do you think he’ll have one, and if so, what will it sound like?

I'm not expecting Geno to have much of a voice. He does have a good bit of dialog and it would be cool to see him speak but I think if they bring him in, it won't be anything major. They could always go the SMRPG sound effects for him as an option and treat him the same as Mega Man.

 

[Deleted member]

Ah, alright, thank you for clearing it up.

For what it's worth, I think we see this pattern repeated in almost every inclusion, especially third party, and we see Sakurai using similar wording very often about characters like Cloud. Smash is a Nintendo game, and as far as Nintendo's concerned, all of their characters and properties are iconic, so it's not outlandish to think we'd see characters like Ice Climbers or Pit when they hadn't had a game in 15 years, or for Rosalina to end up shoehorned into everything - not to mention that since they own the game and they own the characters, shoehorning turns the characters into icons, but we only start to see secondary characters after the icon has been added.

Third party inclusions are more nuanced. There are some obvious choices like Sonic and Mega Man, because of course you wouldn't add a rep from their franchise without adding them, I mean, their name is the title of the franchise! But let's look at Simon - two NES games, one SNES game (considered by many to be one of the greatest Castlevania games of all time). His name is on the box of the second game. He was in Captain N. Aside from Dracula, no one is more iconic to Castlevania than Simon, regardless of how many people think it'd be cool to have Alucard, you know, Alucard, from Castlevania 3!

Oh, wait, he uh... He looks like this nowadays.

Perfect.

The point to that joke was that Simon is an addition for the people who played Castlevania on the NES or the SNES. He's very limited in his movements and plays like a callback to when Castlevania was all 'vania, no Metroid. Richter, too, comes from that era and was an obvious echo pick because if you were growing up with Castlevania in the SNES era, you were playing Rondo of Blood or Dracula X. This is why not only do we get Simon, but we get gritty
manly

smelly


Simon ****ing Belmont. None of that Light Yagami looking, red hair having, anime pretty boy Simon Belmont.

Likewise, we always pin Persona 5 on being a Sakurai pick, but really... remember when I mentioned Sakurai's wording? "it’s hard to come up with a choice that’s not Cloud". That sure does sound like "who else but Lloyd". Long running JRPG franchises are known by their most successful, most iconic protagonist... and Joker fits the bill. Persona's been around for the entire lifespan of a lot of Smash fans, and they all have something unfortunate in common: the protagonist has no canon name. Manga or anime adaptations give them a name, and if they end up in, say, a fighting game, they get a name (that sometimes conflicts with the manga/anime), which is tough for Smash... but in Persona 5, not only do you have what is probably the most mainstream Persona title ever, but you have a protagonist that has a name that never changes, regardless of what you name him. He's Joker, and he's looking cool.

This "no name" business might be why we got Ness instead of Ninten - if you're a Mother fan, you know that Ninten's name is only Ninten because Nintendo named all of their RPG characters "Nintendo" until they ran out of spaces to put a name. It's been adopted as his real name nowadays, but the Mother 1 instruction manual actually calls him "boku" (Me/I, exclusively for little boys). You were supposed to name him to be you. Hell, even your partners in that game were supposed to be the names of people you knew, with the instruction manual calling them things like "girl" and "your friend".

This carries over to Terry, of course, because even those of us who don't play a lot of fighting games know Terry, or know of Terry. Terry's engrish was a prevalent joke on the internet nearly two decades ago and his moves like Buster Wolf and Power Geyser are the kind of things that get tossed around casually in such a way that you may have heard of them without ever knowing where they were from. But, seriously, look at these dudes:

Joe's wearing his name on his waistband and I couldn't have told you his name. Andy... exists. Any of these three can be considered the protagonists of Fatal Fury, but Terry's the only one that stands out. Sure, from his inclusion we got the famous line about how fun to play trumps recognizable, but that should be taken as a statement about the franchise a character is from, as well.

Speculation about Smash jokes about how a given character is a "nobody", or a "literal who" or any similar statement downplaying a character's perceived chances, but I think it's worth noting that Smash has no nobodies. Smash has some obscure characters from obscure games, but those characters are the face of their game. It's unlikely, sure, that if Nintendo wanted Sakurai to add Boktai to Smash, that he would add Sabata before Django (in a non-echo situation). You're scratching your head wondering who these goobers are, but that doesn't make either of them a nobody - you just don't know their franchise, but it's ok, because it's fun and not recognizable.

This is why I strongly stand by Spring Man being the ARMS rep. He's the face of the game to the people who haven't played it. The everyman, the Ryu, the Mario, the Captain Falcon. Sure, Min Min is the popularity contest winner, sure Ribbon Girl is on the cover, sure Max Brass is beefy and in charge of the league, but Spring Man is the character who was purposefully designed to carry the game on his back. He's the kind of character that Sakurai would say "who else" about.

 

[Nicnac]

I want him to have a voice line for "My name is--" and then followed by some kind of synthesized noises mixed with speech, then resumes: "---but just call me Geno". Maybe as a victory line, maybe as something else, I would just love if it's *somewhere* in the game.

TerminalMontage does pretty much exactly this in his video message to Sakurai posted a little before Smash 4 came out and it is great

 

[Powerman293]

TerminalMontage does pretty much exactly this in his video message to Sakurai posted a little before Smash 4 came out and it is great

IMO I hate most of Terminal Montage's videos, but the fact he sneaks Geno cameos in and is a huge advocate for him is great.

 

[Firox]

This is why I strongly stand by Spring Man being the ARMS rep. He's the face of the game to the people who haven't played it. The everyman, the Ryu, the Mario, the Captain Falcon. Sure, Min Min is the popularity contest winner, sure Ribbon Girl is on the cover, sure Max Brass is beefy and in charge of the league, but Spring Man is the character who was purposefully designed to carry the game on his back. He's the kind of character that Sakurai would say "who else" about.

While I totally get what you're saying with Springman, I just gotta say that I personally think Springman is one of the most "meh" poster boys a franchise could have. Aesthetically, he's kind of a turn-off and personality-wise he has all the charisma of a mailbox. Even as an "everyman", Ryu has way more personality, charisma and lore behind him than Springman. If Springman was designed to carry the game on his back, that might be part of the reason the franchise kind of fell flat. Not to bash him or his supporters, I'm just giving my two cents feelings about him.

 

[Loliko YnT]

While I totally get what you're saying with Springman, I just gotta say that I personally think Springman is one of the most "meh" poster boys a franchise could have. Aesthetically, he's kind of a turn-off and personality-wise he has all the charisma of a mailbox. Even as an "everyman", Ryu has way more personality, charisma and lore behind him than Springman. If Springman was designed to carry the game on his back, that might be part of the reason the franchise kind of fell flat. Not to bash him or his supporters, I'm just giving my two cents feelings about him.

The main reason ARMS flopped was never due to Spring-Man alone.
It's due to the lack of content , being overpriced for what it is , the game being extremely arcadey (like , fights can last less than a minute) , and the main gameplay while having depth , being pretty simple when you get to it.

And well , that we need some kind of story mode. We still have this visual novel/ARMS comic that is in development hell , but beside that , you have nothing.

They tried to make ARMS the new Splatoon but didn't fully understood why Splatoon worked so well imo.
The franchise deserve another shot , because it has a lot of potential , and while the first game layed the ground works , there is so much to built upon.