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I cannot believe this user quoted put up a picture of a weapon afterwards. That's actually a first for me on this forum.
I didn't want to insert myself into this argument, and I'm not planning on continuing, but I had to call out this section of this post in particular.

COME ON

It's a ****ing meme. There's literally no way you thought this person was threatening to find your address and come shoot you. This is literally nothing. It's like the airport security that confiscated the tiny plastic gun from the Woody doll and the elementary school kid who got suspended for chewing his poptart into the shape of a gun. Let's not turn an innocent meme into a threat just for the sake of moral high ground.
 

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So, to drive the topic foward regarding Geno's character. Here's one what if scenario i want to plant.

Imagine, if you will, we live in a society............where Geno's rights belong to Nintendo. Besides the possibility of Geno beign featured in RPGs in minor and/or major roles, do you think Geno could have appeared in Mario Spin Offs like Mario Kart and Mario Tennis?. Those rosters are all over the place.
 

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I mean, I just come here to check out news and see if any incey wincey little developments have came out during this period of extreme news droughts from Nintendo. It’s very obnoxious to instead be met with pointless back-and-forth arguments.

I’ll even admit it’s a bit hypocritical for me to say that considering I was being pretty negative about Geno’s chances during January. But in my defense, I apologized for that long ago and the whole reason for that sort of, outburst from me was because, while I knew in my heart that FP5 was going to be a disappointment, I did not expect it to be THAT level of disappointment. And I was also upset that they went straight to Pass 2 with no bonuses to make up for the stinky BYproduct. (I don’t hate Byleth that much, I was just upset that there was no other reveal to “counter balance” the fiery discussion he/she caused.) It was a rough start to the year in terms of Nintendo news.

Even so, I still find the arguments I came up with back then to be stronger than any of the arguments I see these people bring up now.

I didn't want to insert myself into this argument, and I'm not planning on continuing, but I had to call out this section of this post in particular.

COME ON

It's a ****ing meme. There's literally no way you thought this person was threatening to find your address and come shoot you. This is literally nothing. It's like the airport security that confiscated the tiny plastic gun from the Woody doll and the elementary school kid who got suspended for chewing his poptart into the shape of a gun. Let's not turn an innocent meme into a threat just for the sake of moral high ground.
This, along with many other subtle hints, like calling people delusional, gave it away to me pretty quick that this guy was just a troll and really was not here for any type of worthwhile discussion, even if said discussion wouldn’t have been worthwhile to begin with. It’d be nice if these type of guys made it less obvious as to why they are here, because it’s just laughable when they try to pull the victim card.
 
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So, to drive the topic foward regarding Geno's character. Here's one what if scenario i want to plant.

Imagine, if you will, we live in a society............where Geno's rights belong to Nintendo. Besides the possibility of Geno beign featured in RPGs in minor and/or major roles, do you think Geno could have appeared in Mario Spin Offs like Mario Kart and Mario Tennis?. Those rosters are all over the place.
I don't know - we don't even have Fawful or a bunch of the Donkey Kong cast in Mario spin-offs. Even Dixie Kong hasn't made it into Mario Kart yet - Dixie Kong! I'm not sure why - with so many characters from Mario's various games, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Wario Land, Wario Ware, etc., you'd think that we'd be able to get one of them in a Mario spin-off instead of Pink Gold Peach, Sprixie, or Spike.
 

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So, to drive the topic foward regarding Geno's character. Here's one what if scenario i want to plant.

Imagine, if you will, we live in a society............where Geno's rights belong to Nintendo. Besides the possibility of Geno beign featured in RPGs in minor and/or major roles, do you think Geno could have appeared in Mario Spin Offs like Mario Kart and Mario Tennis?. Those rosters are all over the place.
yes. I remember when Mario kart double dash was about to be released, and I could visualize both Mallow and Geno getting in as racers and tag-teaming. They work well as a team just by themselves, hell, even as teams on the tennis court.

Being a long time supporter of both Mallow and Geno, they are both very unique characters that I feel both of them fit well in the Non-rpg Mario universe.

If Nintendo had the rights to both of them, I can see them appearing in some of the mainstream Mario games as well.

I think Geno would have been a part of Super Mario Galaxy and would have been Rosalinas soldier (almost echoing the relationship of Pit and Palutena.), Maybe even a FPS game for Geno, but I digress.

edit:thinking about it, though, I see how the rosters of the recent games are for Mario Kart, Tennis, Party, etc., it’s hard to say. But for a long time the koopalings Weren’t in the spotlight and then they returned... I have to really think about that one, good question Phoenix Douchebag Phoenix Douchebag
 
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I guess I'll weigh in on this whole Mii Costume thing. The main thing that leads me to believe that we're not going to see him costume'd again is simply because of how many times we could've gotten his costume back but didn't.
  1. We could've gotten it in base game alongside his Spirit, but we didn't.
  2. We could've gotten it with Hero, which would've been the most opprotune time to get it back given that the fighter was from SquareEnix, but we didn't.
  3. We could've gotten it with Banjo & Kazooie, since their wave was a random grab bag of different series and costumes, but we didn't.
  4. And we could've gotten it with Byleth, who similarly had a rather random assortment of Mii Costumes for their wave, but we didn't.
That's four goddamn chances over the course of this DLC season, four perfect opprotunities to bring his costume (and the Chocobo Hat) back and crush our dreams, and it never came. If Geno's Mii Costume is coming back at this point, it's most likely only coming back alongside the man (star?) himself. This also goes for Heihachi, who has a costume that could've come back at any time, with Terry being the perfect moment, that just never did.

I cant speak for everyone, but I came in here for conversation.
And I think that was pretty clear.
And it was, until you started poisoning the well with **** like this (particularly the bolded parts):
I don't know if youre tone is bratty or if I'm just reading it that way- but if you think asking a question in earnest to the room about Geno's shape is the same as your comparison to Chrom, then clearly youre right, one of us is being a bit delusional about finding common ground. There's no reason for me to mention Upgraded Mii's obviously not existing until fighter pack 4, since you seem hell bent on arguing versus conversing, but I'll work harder to give you the benefit of the doubt.
How would Geno have been an upgraded Mii costume at that point at the beginning? For all we know, and all evidence suggests, it didnt exist early on. Hell, Sans really may have been testing ground, followed up with Cuphead, to see if the idea was well received.

Anyway, thanks for your input, even if I find the comparison to Chrom completely illogical and quite blatantly passive aggressive.
And started complaining that people weren't agreeing with your position, trying to manage other people's expectations.
I appreciate this comment a lot. I understand that the thread here is of course in high favor of Geno- but I truly don't understand how the concept of costumes is being dismissed as if it's completely implausible. It sounds like a really easy way to be utterly disappointed.... and I understand vividly and being interested in best wishes. But I get a bit concerned that, if Geno is a costume, this thread could react in a pretty negative way. Which ultimately would probably not be in its best interest.
There may be some reasons to think Geno is possible... but there are lots of possibilities for characters, as the post above states. Square Enix is also a big company, with some huge icons still in Sora and Lara Croft. There are many ways that a Geno character could not pan out. We don't have to live in that assumption, but to not consider the possibility could lead a bad turn up ahead.
When you act like this, it gives people the distinct impression that you're actually a troll trying to start ****. Like, you began by merely stating your opinion, then you move on to trying to convince us that your opinion is right or that we should agree with it. That's not, nor should it ever be, how polite interactions go. If you think Geno would work better as a Deluxe Mii Costume, that's totally fine. But you're not entitled to having the whole thread agree with you for it.

By the way, I don't believe you're actually a troll trying to start **** or anything like that. I just think you're terrible at reading a room.

I understand why Geno has such adverse reactions though. This community is absolutely one of the most hostile. That's quite clear pretty quickly.
Actually, most people here were pretty chill about things regarding your posts. You asked questions, and people gave their answers in a civil way. People only started getting "hostile", as you put it, when you started poisioning the well and attempted to convince us to agree with you. (See above)

I cannot believe this user quoted put up a picture of a weapon afterwards. That's actually a first for me on this forum.
It's a meme, you dip.

And I've seen some people here that have gone on to do some pretty heinous things post forum (I'm thinking of that Mario guy who bought all the Rosalina amiibo).
I've heard people describe MarioTehPlumber buying up hundreds of Rosalina amiibo just so nobody else could as being stupid, but I've never once heard it described as heinous.

Actually Geno thread, I do gotta ask. In the situation where Geno becomes Playable, are you prepared for him to be Voiced. He could be mute of course, but if i remember discussions on here, Geno is actually talkative in the actual game. In anycase i can't really think of how he should sound, except for maybe the guy that voiced him in Smash Kingdom
Lemme put it this way: I think it'd be weirder for Geno to get into Smash without being fully voiced. That'd be like if Simon got in without a voice because he never spoke in the classic Castlevania games. In terms of a voice, I imagine Geno sounding something like a typical young man. Think Roy only less intense.

Post yfw the Arms Rep is upgraded from a spirit/assist trophy.
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So, to drive the topic foward regarding Geno's character. Here's one what if scenario i want to plant.

Imagine, if you will, we live in a society............where Geno's rights belong to Nintendo. Besides the possibility of Geno beign featured in RPGs in minor and/or major roles, do you think Geno could have appeared in Mario Spin Offs like Mario Kart and Mario Tennis?. Those rosters are all over the place.
Nah mate, they need to keep a space open for Bronze Waluigi.

Whenever I see Poggersdemon I feel a little part of my soul die.
Which is probably what they want, since I believe Cacodemons eat souls. don't quote me on that, though, I'm not up-to-date on my DOOM lore.
 

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A quick reminder to you (and anyone responding to the "your face when" post) to include some text aside from the quoted material; otherwise, it counts as spam. (it's just ten characters, but still - it would be best to not have pages of reaction gifs without any real discussion)
 

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I like it with when people coming into the server have contrasting opinions on Geno's chances, as long as they:

1) Stay calm
2) Don't hit below the wait (personal comments not related to Geno himself)
 
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A quick reminder to you (and anyone responding to the "your face when" post) to include some text aside from the quoted material; otherwise, it counts as spam. (it's just ten characters, but still - it would be best to not have pages of reaction gifs without any real discussion)
Fixed, I knew about the text rule but I didn't know it had to be 10 characters or more lol
 

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User was warned for this post
People: "Oh, I'm gonna go to the Geno Thread and tell them their character will be a Mii Costume, I'm sure they'll receive me well!"
Finds out Geno thread is actually full of people dedicated to the idea of Geno being a full fledged fighter
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I don't care if you agree with me or not. If you think posting a picture of a gun aimed at the screen is an appropriate response, then perhaps you aren't mature enough to own your own technology.
I mean you literally came into the thread to say "I think Geno works better as an upgraded mii costume" to the thread who wants him in as a playable character and specifically wants NOT that. What are you expecting? That this is somehow different than going into any other character thread and doing the same thing just because Geno was already a costume last game and that he somewhat fits the proportions of Mii Gunner?
Bro, you’re literally the one that came in here with your argument. Don’t act like the victim when someone doesn’t like or agree with your statement.
Ya know... I actually like Geno. I thought I made that clear in my initial posts. I don't know why anyone in this thread is entitled to say what 'proper' representation is, but I am always looking to understand it.

Again, I came in here and asked questions. I even walked on eggshells because this is known as a hostile community (which I wouldn't think would be so readily clear). You are welcome to reread my posts prior to a gun threat (which yes, I call a threat, because that's how it was used. Considering I live in a country with a mass shooting every third day, I don't think this is an unreasonable statement. Also, it's blatantly against the rules). The fact that you can defend that is not only ridiculous, it demerits the value of other opinions that could be held with more validity, opinions I'd like to understand.

Please tell me how I'm acting like a victim for thinking someone posting a weapon, against the rules of the forum clearly, is a mature response to an opinion?

Again. I like Geno. I think there is a lesson in here for everyone, including myself.
 
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I don't care if you agree with me or not. If you think posting a picture of a gun aimed at the screen is an appropriate response, then perhaps you aren't mature enough to own your own technology.
When you not understanding someone else's meme means that I lose my internet privileges for the week.
 

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I don't care if you agree with me or not. If you think posting a picture of a gun aimed at the screen is an appropriate response, then perhaps you aren't mature enough to own your own technology.



Ya know... I actually like Geno. I thought I made that clear in my initial posts. I don't know why anyone in this thread is entitled to say what 'proper' representation is, but I am always looking to understand it.

Again, I came in here and asked questions. I even walked on eggshells because this is known as a hostile community (which I wouldn't think would be so readily clear). You are welcome to reread my posts prior to a gun threat (which yes, I call a threat, because that's how it was used. Considering I live in a country with a mass shooting every third day, I don't think this is an unreasonable statement. Also, it's blatantly against the rules). The fact that you can defend that is not only ridiculous, it demerits the value of other opinions that could be held with more validity, opinions I'd like to understand.

Please tell me how I'm acting like a victim for thinking someone posting a weapon, against the rules of the forum clearly, is a mature response to an opinion?

Again. I like Geno. I think there is a lesson in here for everyone, including myself.
Because it’s literally a harmless joke. It’s a photoshopped image of a MARIO character holding a gun for comedic effect. If you even think that’s any form of harassment or threat, let alone complaining about it, that’s pretty pathetic.
 
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This also goes for Heihachi, who has a costume that could've come back at any time, with Terry being the perfect moment, that just never did.
Reminder that Lloyd also has a Sm4sh costume. That's gonna be awk. I do hope Lloyd wins purely because I played ToS and not Tekken, but I won't be sad or anything if Heihachi gets it. Dude looks neat.

Why exactly are you more entitled to Geno than I am?

I like Geno and think he'd be a great addition- and I think he was made to be a Mii costume.
People who want him playable are definitely more entitled than those wanting him as a costume; what the hell are you trying to say right now? If you explicitly want someone as a costume instead of playable, then you never really wanted them to begin with. Costume = the consolation prize. That's not something you should be aiming for.

I don't care if you agree with me or not. If you think posting a picture of a gun aimed at the screen is an appropriate response, then perhaps you aren't mature enough to own your own technology.
Literally no one here but you are having an issue with a MEME POST. Take a chill pill.

Again, I came in here and asked questions. I even walked on eggshells because this is a hostile community.
You literally came in here, did have a civil discussion at first, then started attacking *us* and calling us hostile because we didn't agree with you. Who is the one actually being hostile? The guy who starts crap and plays the victim, or the people responding to it?

Look at MisterMike MisterMike 's post because frankly he nailed it perfectly. Sorry mate but you were the one in the wrong here, otherwise Mods would shut us down for being rowdy. There's literally been a mod in here, posting, and it has had nothing to do with this conversation, so that's another layer of "you're clearly the one in the wrong here".

You are welcome to reread my posts prior to a gun threat. The fact that you can defend that is not only ridiculous, it demerits the value of other opinions that could be held with more validity.
If you're not trolling and actually this thin-skinned to get legitimately upset over a meme pic, I don't know how you survive on the Internet in any capacity. Good luck stepping into 4chan and anon people who *really* don't care to do anything but actually upset you for fun.

Again. I like Geno. I think there is a lesson in here for everyone, including myself.
If you truly did like him, you'd be fighting for his support as playable instead of settling for the consolation prize and telling us all to agree with you.

Because it’s literally a harmless joke. It’s a photoshopped image of a MARIO character holding a gun for comedic effect. If you even think that’s any form of harassment or threat, that’s pretty pathetic.
Seriously. Anyone who gets legitimately upset at meme reactions really shouldn't be on anything social at all on the Internet with anon randos.


pupNapoleon pupNapoleon Here's a TL;DR summary of the discussion you had:
You: "Hey guys, Geno should be a costume"
Us: "We disagree."
You: "Wow okay, you guys are so hostile and rude for disagreeing with me because my word is law, I cannot believe how hostile you guys are."
Us: *starts memeing you because you're clearly not here for an actual discussion*
You: "OMG GUN THREATS?! HOSTILE COMMUNITY!!!"

^ this is literally how we saw your conversation. If you'd like to have an actual discussion with opinions and legitimate reasons for wanting Geno as a costume more than "because I say so", then feel free to post again and I'd be more than willing to bet people would have a pleasant and civil conversation, but when you start accusing us of being hostile and playing the victim after people (civilly) disagree with you, you're not going to be welcome when you're seen as a detractor. You're basically The Boy Who Cried Wolf and then got mad at us because we said "uh, there's no wolf".
 
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Look at MisterMike MisterMike 's post because frankly he nailed it perfectly. Sorry mate but you were the one in the wrong here, otherwise Mods would shut us down for being rowdy. There's literally been a mod in here, posting, and it has had nothing to do with this conversation, so that's another layer of "you're clearly the one in the wrong here".
To be clear, I'm just posting in here because I like posting in here, and I've been trying to get the conversation to move on since it's clear that nobody's going to budge on the issue. (pupNapoleon thinks that Geno should be a Mii costume, most of the regulars feel like that's a poor consolation prize, and as far as I can tell, nobody's going to change anyone else's mind) I certainly don't speak for or imply anything for all of the mods because I, personally, choose to post here.
 
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To be clear, I'm just posting in here because I like posting in here, and I've been trying to get the conversation to move on since it's clear that nobody's going to budge on the issue. I certainly don't speak for or imply anything for all of the mods because I, personally, choose to post here.
Totally fair. I just see a mod and assume the current convo is fine because of it. (I) Probably shouldn't do that, haha.
 
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^ this is literally how we saw your conversation. If you'd like to have an actual discussion with opinions and legitimate reasons for wanting Geno as a costume more than "because I say so", then feel free to post again and I'd be more than willing to bet people would have a pleasant and civil conversation, but when you start accusing us of being hostile and playing the victim after people (civilly) disagree with you, you're not going to be welcome when you're seen as a detractor.
I thought I gave my answer to this- but perhaps I didn't.
I don't see a likelihood of Geno getting in as a character. Of course, I could be wrong. Ideally he'd just get a lead role in more Mario RPGs, quite frankly, since Nintendo knows how to market a character. And he's not like something else Nintendo has- which would be exciting.

I just think that is incredibly wishful thinking. It looks like the Mii Costume upgrades were made for Geno to be one of them.

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but I see the likelihood as him being either an upgraded Mii, or nothing at all. I don't care if others agree with that thought process or not, I'm just wondering what the reasons are people see the Mii costume upgrade as unlikely. I even recounted the reasons stated hoping I'd hear something a bit more than just 'it would have been done already.'
 
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Seeing as to how this guy just cried and whined over a simple gun meme, i'm not sure how he functions on a day-to-day basis when millions of memes are being made daily over coronavirus, a disease that kills more people daily than 9/11 did overall.
 

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I thought I gave my answer to this- but perhaps I didn't.
I don't see a likelihood of Geno getting in as a character. Of course, I could be wrong. Ideally he'd just get a lead role in more Mario RPGs, quite frankly, since Nintendo knows how to market a character.

I just think that is incredibly wishful thinking. It looks like the Mii Costume upgrades were made for Geno to be one of them.

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but I see the likelihood as him being either an upgraded Mii, or nothing at all. I don't care if others agree with that thought process or not, I'm just wondering what the reasons are people see the Mii costume upgrade as unlikely. I even recounted the reasons stated hoping I'd hear something a bit more than just 'it would have been done already.'
Yeah and that kind of post would be met with "yeah we don't agree with you, but you're more than welcome to have your opinion". That's literally how I feel about your post: I don't agree with it, but again, it's your opinion. It's when you start playing the victim or calling us names because we (civilly) disagree with you, or you start pushing your opinion as fact, that's when there's a problem.

For the record, we have compiled a list of leaks and circumstantial evidence that does point to the doll getting it (if you ever lose it, it's the link in my signature); give it a read sometime and it might convince you otherwise. Even if it doesn't and you still want to claim he's not getting in, that's fine, but you're going to be met with the majority of us who disagree with you, so it would help to present evidence or reasons to why you don't think so more than just your feelings.

Seeing as to how this guy just cried and whined over a simple gun meme, i'm not sure how he functions on a day-to-day basis when millions of memes are being made daily over coronavirus, a disease that kills more people daily than 9/11 did overall.
*shrug* Some people don't know jokes and memes when they see one and I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt if they're willing to understand why their hostile actions may turn people hostile in return, especially if they have an unpopular opinion to the majority of the people they're discussing with.
 

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I seriously got modded over my last post despite bringing a perfectly valid point...

Megadoomer Megadoomer Come on man. This discussion has been pleasant for the past two-three weeks, all the sudden this guy comes in to obviously stir **** with a passive aggressive tone and a "you're delusional" elitist mindset, and you're defending him?

I'll leave before the inevitable thread lock, but man, I really wish you mods would be more aware of how these thread locks are happening (someone comes in to stir ****)
 

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To be clear, I'm just posting in here because I like posting in here, and I've been trying to get the conversation to move on since it's clear that nobody's going to budge on the issue. (pupNapoleon thinks that Geno should be a Mii costume, most of the regulars feel like that's a poor consolation prize, and as far as I can tell, nobody's going to change anyone else's mind) I certainly don't speak for or imply anything for all of the mods because I, personally, choose to post here.
Essentially, “My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of Smash Boards dot com” yeah?

Anyway, as to the topics at hand, yeah that sums it up pretty well, at this point a Mii Costume would be a very hollow victory. No unique animations, no stage, no spirits, no classic mode, no sweet sultry voice clip of Xander Mobus saying “Geno”...
 

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I assume you're comparing Edelgard to Geno, to which I respectfully disagree.



She's very important (the other house leaders are too, especially when you play their houses) in an entire third of the game. The problem with 3H compared to FE is that there aren't "sections" of the game. 3H has the first section, then the middle section that you're mostly talking about, and finally, the last section, and the last section is so vastly different from the first two, that it's basically its own story arc after the events of the end of the previous section. Edelgard is a very vital character in the second section, but not so much the first and third.

Honestly, she's more akin to Smithy, except doesn't last nearly as long and has a much bigger driving force. Geno however has been affected from the very beginning, and drives the party onward in the right direction by about a quarter/third through the game. From then on, he's always been there to guide the party onward in pursuit of his goal (that is for the greater good). Geno is also, as we said earlier, absolutely a flat character, while Edelgard is anything but flat (except not in that way because she's actually not well-endowed, don't be a pervert you guys!). She's got plenty of, albeit not the best paced, tons of development that gets shoved down your throat very quickly.

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I said it wasn't a 1:1, just that they're comparable from a narrative theory perspective and how that diverges from their out of game perception among the fanbases. Also, Edelgard's massive role starts right at the prologue, so not sure the section breaking up is especially helpful.

In the end, my point was that to actually consider Geno as a protagonist, we have to go deeper than Nintendo's general advertising and portrayed perception of the character are willing to go (REGARDLESS of his role in the story upon actually analyzing it), which I think is vital here. So for all intents and purposes, Geno is a side character in one game. With that, we can draw a point of comparison to other solo game side character reps. Or rather, rep, which is Dark Pit. A character only 2 years old at the time of his roster entrance, and from a game developed by Sora and Sakurai himself. Whether that makes a difference or not for future inclusion obviously remains to be seen, but it's quite clear why Geno is in a different place than not only the other characters in a similar product prevalence space as him, but the other massive fan requested characters that have gotten in as well (all of which are multi-game reps). Again, that could very well mean nothing for Geno's chances, but it's not hard to understand why he has detractors, both on a skepticism level and a more personal one.
 
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Anyway, as to the topics at hand, yeah that sums it up pretty well, at this point a Mii Costume would be a very hollow victory. No unique animations, no stage, no spirits, no classic mode, no sweet sultry voice clip of Xander Mobus saying “Geno”...
For the record, this wasn't mentioned in detail (meaning, when I asked why a costume would not appeal to some, I didn't actually get a specific answer, only vague). I asked 'why would people not want it,' because honestly I dont personally value things like Spirits and wouldnt even consider it in my head. I appreciate the actual response rather than the assumption that I dislike Geno as a character.
 
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Essentially, “My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of Smash Boards dot com” yeah?

Anyway, as to the topics at hand, yeah that sums it up pretty well, at this point a Mii Costume would be a very hollow victory. No unique animations, no stage, no spirits, no classic mode, no sweet sultry voice clip of Xander Mobus saying “Geno”...
Honestly kind of wish that they'd do that last thing for these Deluxe Mii Costumes if you wear the full set.
 

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Also, Edelgard's massive role starts right at the prologue, so not sure the section breaking up is especially helpful.
If you play as Bleagles, maybe. I only finished a Golden Deer route and never got that impression. Like I said, house leaders are way more vital to the story if you're in that house. Edelgard didn't become important til later for me.

In the end, my point was that to actually consider Geno as a protagonist, we have to go deeper than Nintendo's general advertising and portrayed perception of the character are willing to go, which I think is vital here. So for all intents and purposes, Geno is a side character in one game.
But he's not. He's a flat-arc main character that drives the story, the story affects him, and he affects the story. Those are all attributes of a main character. Another attribute is when the story is in their POV (such as Mario, which is why he's also a main character despite not being nearly as involved as Geno).

Too lazy to go back, but I did write a whole comparison to Undertale's playable Human character that I personally think is a better comparison, and also mah-up of Mario's POV with Geno's story-focused narrative.

For the record, this wasn't mentioned in detail (meaning, when I asked why a costume would not appeal to some, I didn't actually get a specific answer, only vague). I asked 'why would people not want it,' because honestly I dont personally value things like Spirits and wouldnt even consider it in my head. I appreciate the actual response rather than the assumption that I dislike Geno as a character.
Because he was already a costume, so why would we be okay with that? After waiting forever now, we got the costume in Sm4sh and then... we get the costume again? No, that would leave a lot of us sour as hell and doesn't represent the character at all outside of the character's visual (NOTHING but the character's visuals, with none of their moves/projectiles/sound effects, nada), no voice clip, and 1 (possibly 2?) measly song(s) to go with it. That's hardly a consolation prize; I would personally prefer nothing over that. I'd prefer nothing over a slap-in-the-face. Sans and Cuphead are one thing because no one would have ever expected them, but Geno's been biding his time since Melee; it'd be horribly unfair to shaft him yet again when there's enough of a fan-demand.
 
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I can feel that geno only has the chance to be an upgraded mii costume. He will never be able to be a fighter but i will be happy to download a mii costume for him.
 

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I can feel that geno only has the chance to be an upgraded mii costume. He will never be able to be a fighter but i will be happy to download a mii costume for him.
bro im gonna have to quote my main man terry b here because are u ok??????

My guy Polarthief Polarthief has compiled a list full of stuff for Geno's inclusion, some of it spanning even a few years back I think, and you think he has no chance? Gonna pull a hard disagree on this one. If you haven't read The List yet, give it a read, it's concisely put-together and is maintained pretty well. Our guy's chances are better than ever, if you ask me.
 
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Because he was already a costume, so why would we be okay with that? After waiting forever now, we got the costume in Sm4sh and then... we get the costume again? No, that would leave a lot of us sour as hell and doesn't represent the character at all outside of the character's visual (NOTHING but the character's visuals, with none of their moves/projectiles/sound effects, nada), no voice clip, and 1 (possibly 2?) measly song(s) to go with it. That's hardly a consolation prize; I would personally prefer nothing over that. I'd prefer nothing over a slap-in-the-face. Sans and Cuphead are one thing because no one would have ever expected them, but Geno's been biding his time since Melee; it'd be horribly unfair to shaft him yet again when there's enough of a fan-demand.
I suppose I find it difficult to believe that the regular, uncanny valley, terror inducing regular Mii costumes are anything like the deluxe ones.
At least for me- I think most Mii outfits are not at all on the level of these upgraded Mii costumes.
The originals make me cringe to look at.
The new ones, when just playing Smash itself, still invoke a large amount of the fun of the full characters.
They are practically bonus characters in my eyes.

Additionally- I don't understand why, if you had an entire, easily referenced list to use, it wasn't brought up in any of your initial responses to me (until maybe fifteen posts up). Did I just miss it?
 
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I can feel that geno only has the chance to be an upgraded mii costume. He will never be able to be a fighter but i will be happy to download a mii costume for him.
>joined less than 30 minutes ago
>first post is direct jab at geno in the geno thread
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bro im gonna have to quote my main man terry b here because are u ok??????

My guy Polarthief Polarthief has compiled a list full of stuff for Geno's inclusion, some of it spanning even a few years back I think, and you think he has no chance? Gonna pull a hard disagree on this one. If you haven't read The List yet, give it a read, it's concisely put-together and is maintained pretty well. Our guy's chances are better than ever, if you ask me.
i am sorry that my last message came off as trolling. I did not expect it to be that way. English isn’t first language. I do believe that geno has what it takes to have a fighter moveset. But! I do not think Mr. Sakurai will addhim to the game. There are more big characters he can get such as 2b or sephirothh from Final Fantasy. Geno is my favorite character in mario rpg but i do not believe he will get into the second fighter pass
 

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I suppose I find it difficult to believe that the regular, uncanny valley, terror inducing regular Mii costumes are anything like the deluxe ones.
At least for me- I think most Mii outfits are not at all on the level of these upgraded Mii costumes.
The originals make me cringe to look at.
The new ones, when just playing Smash itself, still invoke a large amount of the fun of the full characters.
They are practically bonus characters in my eyes.

Additionally- I don't understand why, if you had an entire, easily referenced list to use, it wasn't brought up in any of your initial responses to me (until maybe fifteen posts up). Did I just miss it?
OK, calling the Cuphead and Sans costumes "practically bonus characters" is a stretch in my books. They look real good but it still has the Mii gunner's generic, clunky moveset on characters I would imagine to be faster. And again, most of us here wouldn't settle for an upgraded Mii- we'd have preferred the bandage get ripped off quick with Hero's presentation instead of this 11-month journey. Also, we have mentioned The List before, you probably did miss it. It's in Polarthief's signature.
 

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i am sorry that my last message came off as trolling. I did not expect it to be that way. English isn’t first language. I do believe that geno has what it takes to have a fighter moveset. But! I do not think Mr. Sakurai will addhim to the game. There are more big characters he can get such as 2b or sephirothh from Final Fantasy. Geno is my favorite character in mario rpg but i do not believe he will get into the second fighter pass
Don't take it personally.
This character thread, after a long time of feeling attacked, seems to come off that way more than I think it is intended.

In general this website is very supportive. I imagine it even can be in here.
 

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i am sorry that my last message came off as trolling. I did not expect it to be that way. English isn’t first language. I do believe that geno has what it takes to have a fighter moveset. But! I do not think Mr. Sakurai will addhim to the game. There are more big characters he can get such as 2b or sephirothh from Final Fantasy. Geno is my favorite character in mario rpg but i do not believe he will get into the second fighter pass
It should be noted Sakurai isn't actually choosing the DLC roster. Nintendo is.

A lot of characters have business factors towards it. Even Banjo-Kazooie, as they were able to advertise his current games on Microsoft, but more importantly, cause Nintendo and Microsoft were also tied together via Minecraft(which is what led to BK even getting in overall).

So it's possible Geno might get in for a business reason, not just a fan thing too. Fan demand certainly is in his favor, though.
 

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But! I do not think Mr. Sakurai will addhim to the game. There are more big characters he can get such as 2b or sephirothh from Final Fantasy. Geno is my favorite character in mario rpg but i do not believe he will get into the second fighter pass
The "there are bigger characters" argument got killed pretty early on when Banjo showed up instead of Steve or when Terry (i love using this guy to kill bad arguments) showed up instead of... anyone, really.
 
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i am sorry that my last message came off as trolling. I did not expect it to be that way. English isn’t first language. I do believe that geno has what it takes to have a fighter moveset. But! I do not think Mr. Sakurai will addhim to the game. There are more big characters he can get such as 2b or sephirothh from Final Fantasy. Geno is my favorite character in mario rpg but i do not believe he will get into the second fighter pass
This may not be agreed on by others, and I respect that, but I kinda feel the same way. I mean, I think Geno only has a small chance at NOT getting in, but his chances of getting in, I feel are overblown by some of us here.
 

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Wouldn't Sora as a bonus character be leaving out alot of his world out of Smash since as a bonus he wouldn't even come with a stage
Actually, this was just a worst case scenario because Disney can be really stingy even with their own studios. If, by any chance, Nintendo was able to get only Sora and nothing else from Kingdom Hearts, they have a way to make it happen. Even the keyblade can be a custom Smash design since he's entering the world of Smash. It's just an idea I had, although I prefer having a full pack for all characters moving foward.
So, to drive the topic foward regarding Geno's character. Here's one what if scenario i want to plant.

Imagine, if you will, we live in a society............where Geno's rights belong to Nintendo. Besides the possibility of Geno beign featured in RPGs in minor and/or major roles, do you think Geno could have appeared in Mario Spin Offs like Mario Kart and Mario Tennis?. Those rosters are all over the place.
I could see him appearing from time to time in Paper Mario before Sticker Star and more frequently in Mario and Luigi (which would probably be "Super Mario RPG" still). As for the sports and party series, I would have guessed Mario Party 6 (because of how Paper Mario is the theme), a cameo in a Mario Kart track and maybe one or two more games. The thing is that Nintendo focus on the "main" series too much sometimes, leading to some disastrous choices, like Pink Gold Peach in MK8.
 
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