Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[SloppiestJoseph]

Don't take it personally.
This character thread, after a long time of feeling attacked, seems to come off that way more than I think it is intended.

In general this website is very supportive. I imagine it even can be in here.

why thankyou. It is yes. Like i said geno is my favorite character in mario rpg. But i just dont think he will get into smash. He is not a main villian like king k rool or an icon like banjo kazooie. He is a cool character but just has lots of bad things going against him unfortunatly

 

[Polarthief]

My guy Polarthief has compiled a list full of stuff for Geno's inclusion, some of it spanning even a few years back I think, and you think he has no chance?

uwu~

I suppose I find it difficult to believe that the regular, uncanny valley, terror inducing regular Mii costumes are anything like the deluxe ones.
At least for me- I think most Mii outfits are not at all on the level of these upgraded Mii costumes.
The originals make me cringe to look at.
The new ones, when just playing Smash itself, still invoke a large amount of the fun of the full characters.
They are practically bonus characters in my eyes.

Just because the costumes look like the characters doesn't at all make them the character. Sans and Cuphead are neat bonuses because no one thought they had a chance in hell, but in the end, you realize you're not at all playing them when you use moves that aren't remotely close to the character's actual moveset. I bought the costumes (mostly just for the tracks), but I never actually play them. The same would be for Geno's costume.

I do believe that geno has what it takes to have a fighter moveset. But! I do not think Mr. Sakurai will addhim to the game. There are more big characters he can get such as 2b or sephirothh from Final Fantasy.

Ah yes, the "Geno is too irrelevant to get in" argument. How many times have we answered this one? If Geno is too irrelevant, please explain why Ice Climbers, Pit, ROB, Duck Hunt, King K. Rool, Heroes besides Luminary/11, Banjo & Kazooie, and Terry got in over much more well-known/relevant characters? I mean heck, Banjo & Kazooie got in over Steve despite Nintendo and Microsoft coming together because of Minecraft. Steve is infinitely more relevant and well-known, but BK usurped him. Your irrelevancy argument is invalid, sorry.

The "there are bigger characters" argument got killed pretty early on when Banjo showed up instead of Steve or when Terry (i love using this guy to kill bad arguments) showed up instead of... anyone, really.

It got killed the second Ice Climbers got in. Even moreso when Pit made a revival and ROB of all things came back. It got killed off even further with BK and Terry.

He is not an icon like banjo kazooie

I disagree. He's an icon for what kicked off not one but two extremely popular RPG series: Paper Mario (which was originally to be SMRPG2) and Mario & Luigi. Sure both series have crashed quite a bit (M&L's studio went under sadly), but those first few games of each were amazing, and that all started with SMRPG, one of the first JRPGs to really shake up the gameplay (with Timed Hits). While not globally recognizable due to a lack of a release to PAL regions until the Wii Virtual Console, he's still an icon for Mario RPGs and definitely deserves a spot in Smash, considering he's been waiting since Melee to get in.[/QUOTE]

 

[Nicnac]

i am sorry that my last message came off as trolling. I did not expect it to be that way. English isn’t first language. I do believe that geno has what it takes to have a fighter moveset. But! I do not think Mr. Sakurai will addhim to the game. There are more big characters he can get such as 2b or sephirothh from Final Fantasy. Geno is my favorite character in mario rpg but i do not believe he will get into the second fighter pass

Don't worry about your English, it's good. Yeah, there are bigger characters like Sep, 2B and even Lara Croft, but we feel here that Sakurai is willing to go for a hardcore fan pick after snagging both Cloud and Hero, same way he did for Banjo. Hope springs eternal here!

This character thread, after a long time of feeling attacked, seems to come off that way more than I think it is intended.

In general this website is very supportive. I imagine it even can be in here.

Coming in here and saying "yeah I only see Geno as an upgraded Mii", getting called out on your attitude towards others and an upgraded Mii not making too much sense and then getting defensive about it and calling the whole thread hostile isn't really fair on us, man.

 

[axel_]

It got killed the second Ice Climbers got in. Even moreso when Pit made a revival and ROB of all things came back. It got killed off even further with BK and Terry.

Honestly using character additions from before Smash 4/Ultimate isn't fair. The relevancy factor was a little different back then, especially with Smash's fandom being smaller than it is nowadays.

 

[Paraspikey]

I'll like to make a few things clear.
1.) Before my main post, if someone comes in here with different opinions on Geno, I feel like thats perfectly acceptable, as long as if they aren't bashing or they're acting like a victim whenever they make a bad post and get called out, discussion is perfectly fine.
2.) Don't act surprised if you have different opinions on the character and you get posts disagreeing with your opinion, this is the support thread for a reason.

With that out of the way...

There is no "Deluxe Mii", nor any "special treatment" any characters get.
These "Deluxe Miis", are just a special ways to represent requested Indies in a way that wont sting like spirits, they aren't replacements for any character, they're just a way to give indies better representation because Nintendo/Sakurai, isn't fully ready to make one a legit fighter, but still wants to deliver to the fans who wants it.

Geno, will not get this "treatment", its a matter of opinion if you believe it'll suit him better, but, to me, Mii's doesn't represent Geno well in the slightest, it only shows that he can shoot things when that's far the only thing he can do, and Sakurai is aware of this. The reasons why Sakurai added the Mii in Sm4sh is to achieve something close to a fighter, to semi-fill the "want" in the fans, and Sakurai himself.

Geno was already a Mii in Sm4sh to begin with, which almost completely rules him out at being a upgraded Mii Costume, there would be no reason to do so because, they could just achieve the idea to please Sakurai, and a lot of fans, by finally adding him in.

 

[Polarthief]

Honestly using character additions from before Smash 4/Ultimate isn't fair. The relevancy factor was a little different back then, especially with Smash's fandom being smaller than it is nowadays.

Alright totally fair. That still doesn't explain KKR, non-11 Heroes, Banjo & Kazooie, and Terry (also Duck Hunt if you're counting Sm4sh). I'd also argue Dark Samus to an extent? (I didn't touch MP3 so I wouldn't know if they're going to be relevant in MP4)

Edit: ****, THE BELMONTS, THEY'RE IRRELEVANT AS ALL HELL! (sorry. I'm tired and not 100% lucid atm)

 

[Enigma735]

Sorry for the amount of pictures here, but is anyone really sick of this guy? He comments on like every Smashtuber's YouTube videos and he commented on one of my YouTube videos and all I was trying to do was have a civil conversation with him and explain why I think Spirits and assists are eligible, and all he has been doing is calling me names and acting like a know-it-all. Its people like this guy that I absolutely can't stand about this community.

 

[Vector Victor]

Geno becoming playable will help everyone finally move on, both supporters and detractors alike. This will be most helpful for detractors, being able to stop obsessing over how much they don't care for him.

 

[CannonStreak]

Sorry for the amount of pictures here, but is anyone really sick of this guy? He comments on like every Smashtuber's YouTube videos and he commented on one of my YouTube videos and all I was trying to do was have a civil conversation with him and explain why I think Spirits and assists are eligible, and all he has been doing is calling me names and acting like a know-it-all. Its people like this guy that I absolutely can't stand about this community.
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Don't worry about him. Chances are the ARMS character will debunk those thoughts. He ain't worth it. Man, this guy seems like a pathetic arguer.

 

[Paraspikey]

Sorry for the amount of pictures here, but is anyone really sick of this guy? He comments on like every Smashtuber's YouTube videos and he commented on one of my YouTube videos and all I was trying to do was have a civil conversation with him and explain why I think Spirits and assists are eligible, and all he has been doing is calling me names and acting like a know-it-all. Its people like this guy that I absolutely can't stand about this community.
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Just do your best to ignore him and block him from your channel, the guy clearly isn't listening to anyone's opinions and it's generally like you're talking to a brick wall when trying to discuss with him differing opinions.

If you ignore him, they'll go away.

 

[Nicnac]

Sorry for the amount of pictures here, but is anyone really sick of this guy? He comments on like every Smashtuber's YouTube videos and he commented on one of my YouTube videos and all I was trying to do was have a civil conversation with him and explain why I think Spirits and assists are eligible, and all he has been doing is calling me names and acting like a know-it-all. Its people like this guy that I absolutely can't stand about this community.
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Yeah, he has a reputation for being a bit of a prick, iirc. It's such a shame to have people like them in a community filled with legitimately good people.

 

[CannonStreak]

Just do your best to ignore him and block him from your channel, the guy clearly isn't listening to anyone's opinions and it's generally like you're talking to a brick wall when trying to discuss with him differing opinions.

If you ignore him, they'll go away.

I know what you mean.

If you build it (build your own opinion, anyway), they will come, but if you ignore them, they will leave.

 

[Spatulo]

>joined less than 30 minutes ago
>first post is direct jab at geno in the geno thread
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Legit took a sec to determine if Vergil or Jack Frost from the Santa Clause 3 and not sure how I feel about that.

 

[Lord Woomy]

Sorry for the amount of pictures here, but is anyone really sick of this guy? He comments on like every Smashtuber's YouTube videos and he commented on one of my YouTube videos and all I was trying to do was have a civil conversation with him and explain why I think Spirits and assists are eligible, and all he has been doing is calling me names and acting like a know-it-all. Its people like this guy that I absolutely can't stand about this community.
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Yeah, this dude's pretty infamous from what I hear. I'd say just ignore him for now, just sit back and wait for a spirit to get in and watch him self-destruct. Better than arguing with a brick wall lol

 

[MisterMike]

The "there are bigger characters" argument got killed pretty early on when Banjo showed up instead of Steve or when Terry (i love using this guy to kill bad arguments) showed up instead of... anyone, really.

No no no, he means in terms of size. Geno is a manlet compared to Sephiroth, so clearly Sakurai will go with him.

 

[Enigma735]

Don't worry about him. Chances are the ARMS character will debunk those thoughts. He ain't worth it. Man, this guy seems like a pathetic arguer.

Just do your best to ignore him and block him from your channel, the guy clearly isn't listening to anyone's opinions and it's generally like you're talking to a brick wall when trying to discuss with him differing opinions.

If you ignore him, they'll go away.

Yeah, he has a reputation for being a bit of a prick, iirc. It's such a shame to have people like them in a community filled with legitimately good people.

Yeah, this dude's pretty infamous from what I hear. I'd say just ignore him for now, just sit back and wait for a spirit to get in and watch him self-destruct. Better than arguing with a brick wall lol

Thanks guys. I also find it hilarious he has to like his own comments to make his points make more sense then they really are lol

 

[CannonStreak]

Yeah, this dude's pretty infamous from what I hear. I'd say just ignore him for now, just sit back and wait for a spirit to get in and watch him self-destruct. Better than arguing with a brick wall lol

I bet he thinks if we ignore him, he wins. Still, if he does, I doubt that with his name calling and how he argued, he lost the moment he chose to start this, already.

 

[ActualGarbage]

No no no, he means in terms of size. Geno is a manlet compared to Sephiroth, so clearly Sakurai will go with him.

Obviously Sakurai likes his men big, dude. Why do you think he added K. Rool and Incineroar?

 

[Paraspikey]

A lot, and, a lot.. of people forget that Cloud in Sm4sh was meant to be our FF7 Remake celebration.
It was likely way it was a bit easier for them to agree with Cloud rather then any of FF protag like they wanted at the time.
So that "remake celebration" character is already done, the remake was revealed at E3 2015 and Cloud was revealed in November 2015, so the timing fits well for it too.

The "Seven Square" memo is still in effect, many people forget that memo's just don't become useless after one character, it's Square's list of characters Nintendo could pick from, that's what it is.

Nintendo would have no interest in promoting FF7R again, they'll make almost no profit outside of smash with that deal, so it'll be kind of pointless.
Chrono Trigger wasn't even on the SNES Classic even though it's regarded as one of the best games Of all time, and other Square games like Final Fantasy 3 and, yes, SMRPG were on it too. Square wants to distance themself from Chrono as much as possible it seems, so I doubt Nintendo would also want to pick that too, to make Square feel off about it, and the fact they'll once again make little profit outside of smash because they aren't going to release it on Switch, and they aren't going to remake it on the switch either.
ToM spirits also enforces the idea that it's still in effect.

With a overwhelming amount of evidence for Geno, and the fact the timing lines up with him perfectly, like a Hero or Banjo, I believe it's going to be his time.

 

[Polarthief]

Geno becoming playable will help everyone finally move on, both supporters and detractors alike. This will be most helpful for detractors, being able to stop obsessing over how much they don't care for him.

No it won't, they'll just hate on the next character, my guess being Waluigi.

Yeah, he has a reputation for being a bit of a prick, iirc. It's such a shame to have people like them in a community filled with legitimately good people.

What the HECK you can say cocky and prick but not cocky -y +s? This filter is weird, man.
... I should probably go to bed guys.

No no no, he means in terms of size. Geno is a manlet compared to Sephiroth, so clearly Sakurai will go with him.

I like how Pac-Man's icon has become synonymous with "/s" around here. It's a way more fun way to indicate the sarcasm.

Obviously Sakurai likes his men big, dude. Why do you think he added K. Rool and Incineroar?

As the probably lone you-know-what in this thread, I can attest that a lot of people were very happy over both their inclusions, and continue to be so on a daily basis.
The fanart of both characters have increased significantly since their inclusion. That said, Incineroar's always been pretty popular; the BARA crowd also loves him for rather obvious reasons.

*clears throat* But uh, I'm getting on a tangent, and possibly pushing what's considered "acceptable to talk about", so I'll just finally go to bed like I should have an hour or two ago.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

I see the thread has devolved into chaos in my absence. Good news friends! I have returned! We can now commence (mostly) on topic discussion of Geno in polite and sarcastic ways as per our norm. This has been a loving PSA from your friendly neighborhood SpiritOfRuin. If Geno is to come to Smash, he will come to Smash only through our support. Any detractors or even supporters who don't have enough hope to actually provide any support don't have the power to actually effect any change unless we allow them to deter us. The only thing we can do is push for our beloved doll-man from space in a positive a consistent manner and that push will always have more power to get us noticed than any negative force. Being positive and pushing won't ever garauntee our boy in Smash, but it will be a much better use of our time. In an effort to promote discussion let me ask this: you are tasked with coming up with a completely original final smash (ie not Geno flash or a huge Geno beam) for Geno (can involve other characters from SMPRG if you'd like) what does the final smash look like and how does it function in game?

 

[MattX20]

The fact we might reach 2700 pages before the following Sunday is astonishing

 

[CannonStreak]

A lot, and, a lot.. of people forget that Cloud in Sm4sh was meant to be our FF7 Remake celebration.
It was likely way it was a bit easier for them to agree with Cloud rather then any of FF protag like they wanted at the time.
So that "remake celebration" character is already done, the remake was revealed at E3 2015 and Cloud was revealed in November 2015, so the timing fits well for it too.

The "Seven Square" memo is still in effect, many people forget that memo's just don't become useless after one character, it's Square's list of characters Nintendo could pick from, that's what it is.

Nintendo would have no interest in promoting FF7R again, they'll make almost no profit outside of smash with that deal, so it'll be kind of pointless.
Chrono Trigger wasn't even on the SNES Classic even though it's regarded as one of the best games Of all time, and other Square games like Final Fantasy 3 and, yes, SMRPG were on it too. Square wants to distance themself from Chrono as much as possible it seems, so I doubt Nintendo would also want to pick that too, to make Square feel off about it, and the fact they'll once again make little profit outside of smash because they aren't going to release it on Switch, and they aren't going to remake it on the switch either.
ToM spirits also enforces the idea that it's still in effect.

With a overwhelming amount of evidence for Geno, and the fact the timing lines up with him perfectly, like a Hero or Banjo, I believe it's going to be his time.

It has been a while since I saw this. Can you, or anyone else list the evidence again?

 

[Spatulo]

I see the thread has devolved into chaos in my absence. Good news friends! I have returned! We can now commence (mostly) on topic discussion of Geno in polite and sarcastic ways as per our norm. This has been a loving PSA from your friendly neighborhood SpiritOfRuin. If Geno is to come to Smash, he will come to Smash only through our support. Any detractors or even supporters who don't have enough hope to actually provide any support don't have the power to actually effect any change unless we allow them to deter us. The only thing we can do is push for our beloved doll-man from space in a positive a consistent manner and that push will always have more power to get us noticed than any negative force. Being positive and pushing won't ever garauntee our boy in Smash, but it will be a much better use of our time. In an effort to promote discussion let me ask this: you are tasked with coming up with a completely original final smash (ie not Geno flash or a huge Geno beam) for Geno (can involve other characters from SMPRG if you'd like) what does the final smash look like and how does it function in game?

An original final smash? I’d definitely make something akin to Shulk’s but with the Mario RPG cast, everybody just laying into the opponent with attacks from the game (Mario with a shell or a hammer, Bowser with a Chomp, Peach with a pan, Mallow shootin lightning or something). And then end with a big ol Geno Beam or something

 

[pinshadow]

I don't care if you agree with me or not. If you think posting a picture of a gun aimed at the screen is an appropriate response, then perhaps you aren't mature enough to own your own technology.



Ya know... I actually like Geno. I thought I made that clear in my initial posts. I don't know why anyone in this thread is entitled to say what 'proper' representation is, but I am always looking to understand it.

Again, I came in here and asked questions. I even walked on eggshells because this is known as a hostile community (which I wouldn't think would be so readily clear). You are welcome to reread my posts prior to a gun threat (which yes, I call a threat, because that's how it was used. Considering I live in a country with a mass shooting every third day, I don't think this is an unreasonable statement. Also, it's blatantly against the rules). The fact that you can defend that is not only ridiculous, it demerits the value of other opinions that could be held with more validity, opinions I'd like to understand.

Please tell me how I'm acting like a victim for thinking someone posting a weapon, against the rules of the forum clearly, is a mature response to an opinion?

Again. I like Geno. I think there is a lesson in here for everyone, including myself.

I wasn't trying to defend the whole gunposting thing, I made that post before I saw you edited it to address that and before I saw the image itself. I was just speaking in general and I think that meme post was a bit too far, or at the very least a silly response to an argument. I don't really think it was meant as a threat, just an in joke sort of meant for the thread whose seen these exact same arguments come into this thread every week for the last 8 months, but I get it wasn't the time to post it and I'm sorry.

I suppose I find it difficult to believe that the regular, uncanny valley, terror inducing regular Mii costumes are anything like the deluxe ones.
At least for me- I think most Mii outfits are not at all on the level of these upgraded Mii costumes.
The originals make me cringe to look at.
The new ones, when just playing Smash itself, still invoke a large amount of the fun of the full characters.
They are practically bonus characters in my eyes.

Additionally- I don't understand why, if you had an entire, easily referenced list to use, it wasn't brought up in any of your initial responses to me (until maybe fifteen posts up). Did I just miss it?

I mean, for someone like Sans or Cuphead, just getting represented in the game at all is a victory. Sans could have been nothing but a spirit and I still think it would break some people. For Geno though? We already got that consolation prize, last game, and it was considered a victory then. Upgrading the Mii Costume is a slap in the face, it's the equivalent of how Ridley was a boss in brawl, but then in Smash 4 he's a STAGE BOSS now, and you can get him to fight with you, and he has a stock icon now! We'll put effort into everything for the character, EXCEPT making them playable. You get the idea.

 

[Malo Mart]

Sorry for the amount of pictures here, but is anyone really sick of this guy? He comments on like every Smashtuber's YouTube videos and he commented on one of my YouTube videos and all I was trying to do was have a civil conversation with him and explain why I think Spirits and assists are eligible, and all he has been doing is calling me names and acting like a know-it-all. Its people like this guy that I absolutely can't stand about this community.
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Yeah, TheThunderProductions is a bit of a bad apple to say the least. I hope he can change his ways for the better, but man, he's been at this for well over an year and everyone always calls him out. I remember seeing his comments everywhere back in like, early 2019, and they're partially the reason I don't check the comment section of Smash speculation videos too much anymore. My advice is to just not bother.

 

[Enigma735]

Yeah, TheThunderProductions is a bit of a bad apple to say the least. I hope he can change his ways for the better, but man, he's been at this for well over an year and everyone always calls him out. I remember seeing his comments everywhere back in like, early 2019, and they're partially the reason I don't check the comment section of Smash speculation videos too much anymore. My advice is to just not bother.

Agreed. I blocked him from my channel so hopefully that means he won't comment on my videos anymore. But yeah, this dude will just never give up. I remember he was very anti-Banjo before he got confirmed, so I just can't take him seriously anymore after that.

 

[cosmicB]

If you play as Bleagles, maybe. I only finished a Golden Deer route and never got that impression. Like I said, house leaders are way more vital to the story if you're in that house. Edelgard didn't become important til later for me.

It doesn't matter what route you play,

Spoiler

the Flame Emperor will always try to get you all killed in the prologue, will continue to be an antagonistic entity until she's revealed, and then becomes the centerpiece of the war that takes up at least 90% of the second half of the game if not more depending on the route you choose.

But he's not. He's a flat-arc main character that drives the story, the story affects him, and he affects the story. Those are all attributes of a main character. Another attribute is when the story is in their POV (such as Mario, which is why he's also a main character despite not being nearly as involved as Geno).

Too lazy to go back, but I did write a whole comparison to Undertale's playable Human character that I personally think is a better comparison, and also mah-up of Mario's POV with Geno's story-focused narrative.

You're not listening to what I'm saying. Sympathetic POV, majority airtime, most development; NONE of this trumps solo protagonist advertising EXCEPT when you have a decoy protagonist in the context of Nintendo properties. Geno's notoriety has grown beyond the game he hailed from, and so his role in the story and him as a character are too different discussions entirely. The evidence we have suggests Nintendo looks at the latter, not the former.

Another example would be Tidus and Yuna from Final Fantasy X. The game is ultimately Yuna's story. It's her quest to defeat Sin with Tidus just being along for the ride, and when the quest is over, his importance is largely considered irrelevant and on the same level as the other party members. Despite all that, Tidus is the main character. He's on the box, he gets to be the X rep in Dissidia, etc.

Undertale really doesn't work as an example because the human is unarguably the main character.

Spoiler

Asriel/Flowey

would be the best comparison to Geno in that situation if we want to argue that the plot is being driven by him.

This kind of analysis is way above what Nintendo portrays with their properties outside the actual story, which is what's vital here. That would not change if Geno had literally 99% of the lines and airtime and had large swathes of the game dedicated to only him.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Honestly using character additions from before Smash 4/Ultimate isn't fair. The relevancy factor was a little different back then, especially with Smash's fandom being smaller than it is nowadays.

OK but Banjo & Kazooie still prove this to be a non-issue for Ultimate

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry for the amount of pictures here, but is anyone really sick of this guy? He comments on like every Smashtuber's YouTube videos and he commented on one of my YouTube videos and all I was trying to do was have a civil conversation with him and explain why I think Spirits and assists are eligible, and all he has been doing is calling me names and acting like a know-it-all. Its people like this guy that I absolutely can't stand about this community.
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Ignore him Seen this guy and he’s just plain odd. Just don’t interact with him. Far as the mess here today Geno is in that is all.

 

[axel_]

Alright totally fair. That still doesn't explain KKR, non-11 Heroes, Banjo & Kazooie, and Terry (also Duck Hunt if you're counting Sm4sh). I'd also argue Dark Samus to an extent? (I didn't touch MP3 so I wouldn't know if they're going to be relevant in MP4)

Edit: ****, THE BELMONTS, THEY'RE IRRELEVANT AS ALL HELL! (sorry. I'm tired and not 100% lucid atm)

Yeah most of them count. The only objections I have are with the other DQ Heroes, whose inclusions are justified with their origin games. Erdrick and DQ3 were the first HUGE RPG, Eight and DQ8 were the first full DQ games that were localized overseas, and Solo and DQ4 represents the Zenithia Trilogy being the highest acclaimed games by fans (as evidenced by DQ6 being the basis for DQ: Your Story). All these entries of Dragon Quest have probably the most love and staying power behind it from the fans and Square Enix's promotional material so I think in a sense that they're ALL relevant.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

OK but Banjo & Kazooie still prove this to be a non-issue for Ultimate

It doesn't. BK was constantly pushed by Microsoft entirely. It was a fully active product. You don't need new games to be relevant. You need to be constantly used as a product, which it was.

People knew who he was cause he didn't stay out of the spotlight. I like to call it "life support" since it's clearly not a dead series. It's closer to "finished" when it comes to new games, similar to the Mother series. There's a very strong chance they wouldn't have been in Smash if Rare Replay wasn't a thing. Microsoft wanted to keep using the characters/franchise, which helps a lot with making them agree to it. They got advertising for their current product, after all. So it's a win-win.

Oh, and since someone mentioned the Belmonts, we have the fact Castlevania is a massively active product. They never left the relevancy factor. The important part is use of the product. Not new games. Not even the specific character. Sakurai considered Alucard first, even, but still went for the first two Belmonts, the most recognizable protagonists. Cause that's what mattered, pleasing both sides of the sea. It also helped the ballot itself voted for tons of Castlevania content as is, which led him to using it. It being a relevant product(no different from BK) helped.

Terry, to be honest, would be the first real example of lacking relevancy anyway. Unless I missed some major ports that came out around the same time as him being chosen to be added? Or any games in general being released?

 

[axel_]

Legit took a sec to determine if Vergil or Jack Frost from the Santa Clause 3 and not sure how I feel about that.

What if I told you that you weren't wrong?

 

[Lagguino]

Jeez this thread was under fire when i was gone. However i do agree that we are kinda getting too confident which scarily reminds me of speculation before the 11/1 direct, which i must remind everyone to keep expectations low (because if geno does not happen you don't wanna be very disappointed). However when it comes to mii costumes i just don't see a upgrade happening. Possible? Yes. 100% happening? Probably not the chances of it happening imo is slim to nothing, but that does not mean I'll be upset it happens it's a hollow victory sure, But it's better than nothing.

Yeah most of them count. The only objections I have are with the other DQ Heroes, whose inclusions are justified with their origin games. Erdrick and DQ3 were the first HUGE RPG, Eight and DQ8 were the first full DQ games that were localized overseas, and Solo and DQ4 represents the Zenithia Trilogy being the highest acclaimed games by fans (as evidenced by DQ6 being the basis for DQ: Your Story). All these entries of Dragon Quest have probably the most love and staying power behind it from the fans and Square Enix's promotional material so I think in a sense that they're ALL relevant.

Sorry this one of my "UM ACTUALLY" moments but "Dragon Quest: your story" was based on Dragon Quest 5

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Wouldn't Sora as a bonus character be leaving out alot of his world out of Smash since as a bonus he wouldn't even come with a stage

Hell, I take it. I wouldnt care who he came with be it you guys puppet or whoever and we dont get anything else, Id take him as a bonus

 

[axel_]

Sorry this one of my "UM ACTUALLY" moments but "Dragon Quest: your story" was based on Dragon Quest 5

You're right. My brain has holes in it so I forgot which game was in it.

Chrono Trigger wasn't even on the SNES Classic even though it's regarded as one of the best games Of all time, and other Square games like Final Fantasy 3 and, yes, SMRPG were on it too. Square wants to distance themself from Chrono as much as possible it seems

Please... don't remind me...

 

[pupNapoleon]

Just because the costumes look like the characters doesn't at all make them the character. Sans and Cuphead are neat bonuses because no one thought they had a chance in hell, but in the end, you realize you're not at all playing them when you use moves that aren't remotely close to the character's actual moveset. I bought the costumes (mostly just for the tracks), but I never actually play them. The same would be for Geno's costume.

Coming in here and saying "yeah I only see Geno as an upgraded Mii", getting called out on your attitude towards others and an upgraded Mii not making too much sense and then getting defensive about it and calling the whole thread hostile isn't really fair on us, man.

I don't think of being an upgraded Mii as an insult.
Dixie is one of my most wanted characters and I think her shot into the game is as a glorified echo.
Echoes and Mii costumes are a way to get more characters in the game. There is a limit to the number of characters we can get in, and I certainly have a lot I'd like to see.
There is no assumption it's negative.

As for the room, right after me, it jumped on a new user. It happened a moment later. We aren't talking opinions anymore, we are talking about the actions that happened. This user walked into the room and was given a similar treatment. I think that shows it wasn't singularly me who miscast the room. Isn't that a fair conclusion at this point?

I wasn't trying to defend the whole gunposting thing, I made that post before I saw you edited it to address that and before I saw the image itself. I was just speaking in general and I think that meme post was a bit too far, or at the very least a silly response to an argument. I don't really think it was meant as a threat, just an in joke sort of meant for the thread whose seen these exact same arguments come into this thread every week for the last 8 months, but I get it wasn't the time to post it and I'm sorry.

It's in the past. We are online, and its easy enough to move on.
However, if this thread has continually been locked, and then when new people come in (twice in a couple pages, quite possibly more), it's seen as their problem for bringing up different points of view, I think it's a bit hypocritical to think it's simply the new person at fault. Posting an image of a weapon is somehow 'just a joke,' but the assumption everyone is an enemy isn't 'playing victim.' I think everyone, myself included, was likely heated. But how does that get pushed off to someone else? I mean, I thought I was careful with my wording, much more than I'd be in any other thread, knowing the reputation this thread has. Well- less careful after the post.
Everyone entering the room isn't an enemy. I know I'm certainly not. Geno is a cool character, and I'm glad the Super Nintendo Mini had SMRPG available for me to finally play it.

I've been on this site on and off for five years. I've always loved the character speculation threads because it's a great way to learn about new characters and what makes them all unique, how they work as icons.
I don't understand why this thread or this character would be the exception to that exploration. Wouldnt people in here want to help others explore that curiosity?

 

[Franco Geno]

Dodo did nothing wrong.

 

[Malo Mart]

By the by, here's a Cacomallow meme I made a couple weeks back but never shared here for some reason:

Dodo did nothing wrong.

Preach it brother! #JusticeForDodo

 

[Franco Geno]

By the by, here's a Cacomallow meme I made a couple weeks back but never shared here for some reason:

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Preach it brother! #JusticeForDodo

This was totally worth it my dude