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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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*Sigh*

I get what you WANT. I'm ignoring desires and spitting cold hard facts.

The facts are that Nintendo has already had new information for Pokemon, Smash, and Animal Crossing as well as minor announcements all in the first two months of the year.

Just because it's NOT what you want to SEE or HEAR does not change the fact that information has been given. Like I said, the sandwich you didn't like and the macaroni salad you won't eat doesn't change the fact that food was given to you.

From Nintendo's point of view, they could easily see that as enough for a quarter and I wouldn't blame them. The only reason it's not enough for people is because it isn't what they wanted to see or hear, but in reality we've already gotten a lot of reveals and information.



It's less about hating Byleth and more that people found Byleth as a weak reveal and thus want more despite just getting a Smash reveal.
The problem is that that's mostly more information about games we already knew about. The last time Nintendo announced a new 1st party game that's not a port or a remake was 6 months ago, and after this month there are no currently announced 1st party games with release dates. That's why people are getting antsy.
 
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I'm kinda hoping they add Geno back to games aside from Smash in the future.
I pray someone at Nintendo actually listens to Operation Starfall.
 

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There was this interesting conversation on the newcomer thread about 2B's chances and apparently, sakurai and yoko taro had only met in person for the first time on Christmas day(2019), which would be after season 2 was decided.
This could be a rather large hit against 2B's chances depending on what you make of this, but imo i feel like this is a huge hit against her because i think sakurai and yoko taro would have had to meet in person at some point earlier to discuss 2B in smash.
Anyway the reason I'm saying all of this in the geno thread is because it does sort of relate to geno and his chances as they are both square characters. ALSO i have to quickly say before anyone jumps to conclusions, i dont hate 2B, i just thought it was interesting as it could MAYBE, POTENTIALLY mean well for our little star doll. So im not going to actively celebrate and i hope nobody else celebrates as well because i feel like thats a bit rude
 
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Wow, this thread moves like a hurricane. Thanks for the warm welcome and the hat!

Not a lot of people took me up on making a business case for Geno--most of you debated me on the need for a business case! So I guess I'll take myself up on it. Here's how I see Geno being profitable for SE and Nintendo.
  • Amiibo has special features and sells for a higher price. This would be a good way to capitalize on fan support, especially given Geno's unique nature (literally a doll).
  • Geno is featured in the new Paper Mario launch trailer, which debuts with his Smash reveal. Nintendo pays SE a big licensing fee for the privilege.
  • Super Mario RPG comes to the Switch online library.
I think this business case is ok. You can trade Geno in Paper Mario for SE making a new SMRPG game for a less likely, but more profitable scenario. I think surely one of you can come up with something more compelling than I have.

I'm gonna diverge here and use Reimu as an example. Someone said earlier that nothing separates Reimu from the other indie nominations, like Shantae, Hollow Knight, and Shovel Knight. That's totally untrue! Reimu's business case is absolutely remarkable! She dominated Comiket for like a decade, and is still a major force there, because she has a huge fanbase that loves buying things!
  • Big fanbase with a history of buying physical merchandise. Amiibo sales would break records.
  • Touhou games have never appeared outside PC-98 and PC. Mainline games on Switch would be a huge exclusive, and would bring new gamers to the console.
  • Upcoming platform game is a promising title and a great fit for Switch
  • An endorsement from Nintendo would be huge for ZUN and the Touhou Franchise and a massive boost to the IP.
The business case for other indie titles is just the last two points without the first two points. Reimu's business case is a rockstar, and that is why people talk about her seriously despite the fact that she is a literal child who has probably been featured in more pornagraphic material than every Nintendo character combined (P.S. I don't think Reimu is getting into Smash).

I don't think Geno's business case needs to be quite that good for him to be included, but I don't think it's good enough with just the Amiibo and a release of SMRPG in the online store. You need something else to make it work. Without that something else, how do you pass on getting Nier: Automata on Switch in exchange for including 2B? How do you pass on getting the Kingdom Hearts collection on Switch in exchange for including Sora?

I'm just not sure what that something else could be.
 

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I'm kinda hoping they add Geno back to games aside from Smash in the future.
I pray someone at Nintendo actually listens to Operation Starfall.
Not only that, but I hope they add other characters from Mario in their Mario games, period. That mobile Dr Mario game just added Fire Rosalina and Fire Luigi as 'new' characters. Add to how horrible the latest Mario Kart has been drowning in palette swaps, Nintendo has been terrible with using their universe recently.

When people comment on when Fire Gold Cat Peach will be added, that is a JOKE, not a SUGGESTION, Nintendo!
 

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You know hearing all the bull**** from the K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie detractors back in the day hearing them saying: "K. Rool would just be a Bowser Echo." Or "Banjo & Kazooie would just be a Duck Hunt Echo." I'm surprise more of them don't say "Geno would just be a Megaman Echo." Just because he would be a similar size to Megaman and has a gun for a arm. Honestly, if we were going that route than actually everyone with a powerball or gun charging Neutral Special would all be clones of Samus lol.
 

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So my mother got the c-virus... Sigh:confused:

Anyhow... what could the odds be that they are adapting SMRPG or at least takes elements from it in the supposed Super Mario Bros Movie?
 

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I'm very sorry to hear that, I pray she and your family will get through it.
Oh my god, I am so sorry to hear that! I hope she makes it out of this okay. I also hope the best for your family.
Thanks. Sigh... "Luckily" that I haven¨t meet her in two weeks (R&R with the job) so the rest of us hopefully are safe. My mom is a fighter so I believe in her
 
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Not only that, but I hope they add other characters from Mario in their Mario games, period. That mobile Dr Mario game just added Fire Rosalina and Fire Luigi as 'new' characters. Add to how horrible the latest Mario Kart has been drowning in palette swaps, Nintendo has been terrible with using their universe recently.

When people comment on when Fire Gold Cat Peach will be added, that is a JOKE, not a SUGGESTION, Nintendo!
While it still sucks, do note MKT is a Gacha game, and those will do everything they can to have a constant stream of new pulls. I wouldn't use that as an example of utilizing characters.

I can't tell you the first thing about DMW though.
 

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I hate how Mario Kart Tour is handling its roster additions. It's not like the official Mario Kart games don't have variants of existing characters, but to charge money for those variants is highway robbery. Grinding is nothing new to mobile games, but the issue is that there's nothing good to grind TO.
 
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Mario and Geno together again after they reunite:


The sky wll be the limit for Geno after he get's in Smash. Kart races, party games, and Tennis matches could await our doll boy and maybe even mainline Mario titles too. Geno and Mario would literally been building castles in the sky.
 
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Guys, I just realized. Besides Hero, Banjo and Terry, none of the DLC characters so far has had their name end in a vowel. I think Geno's been deconfirmed guys :(
Shoot how did we not see this before? And you know what else I also realized? No one has pointed out that Geno has a spirit in the base game and that means he CAN'T be DLC. Pack it up boys.
 

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Shoot how did we not see this before? And you know what else I also realized? No one has pointed out that Geno has a spirit in the base game and that means he CAN'T be DLC. Pack it up boys.
How dare you conflate such memes with the completely logical vowel theory.
 

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I hate how Mario Kart Tour is handling its roster additions. It's not like the official Mario Kart games don't have variants of existing characters, but to charge money for those variants is highway robbery. Grinding is nothing new to mobile games, but the issue is that there's nothing good to grind TO.
Nintendos mobile games in general is horse****. Fire Emblem Heroes were extremly F2P friendly... but now? Its getting worse since the subscrptionservice got included
 

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mobile games in general is horse****
FTFY. Remove "Nintendo" from it and it's just as accurate. This is why I *never* play games on my phone. The only "games" I use on my phone are companion apps for tabletop games, lol.
 
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Hellooooooo Geno Thread!
I'd like to introduce you to my magnum opus, the Customizable Geno Deconfirmation Pack™!
We all like to find reasons as to why Geno is never coming to Smash, especially not in Ultimate but thinking reasons can be too hard, so I've taken the opportunity to let you pick and choose the reasons from a word bank so you don't even have to give any brain power to it at all!

First of all, what Square character will get in over him?
We all know how comforting it was for Banjo detractors to have a Steve to constantly throw at Banjo supporters and how he's inevitably getting in over him, well now you have the opportunity to do the same but with a wide selection of Square characters! Choose from our list of 2B, Sora, Sephiroth, Crono, Neku, Lara Croft, and Gex!
Don't care about any of those characters? Doesn't matter! Just use them and their fan bases as sacrificial lambs to dab on the Genobros. Now, you can immediately shut down Geno fans by saying another Square character is a lock and will get in over Geno!

Next, we obviously have to know why Geno's fundamentally deconfirmed and we've come prepared! Spirits can deconfirm, he can be too irrelevant, he can have absolutely no possible moveset for Smash, or you can just not personally like him and say that makes him impossible.
Any of these reasons are ironclad and impossible to argue against, make sure especially to come into Geno's support groups every 5 days and tell them this over and over and over, they will inevitably appreciate it and immediately hate Geno because he's now deconfirmed by one of our ironclad points

Next, will Geno's normal Mii Costume come back or will it be a deluxe version with a music track?
Pick one of these 2 options to absolutely obliterate Geno supporters when you come into contact with them next! Either is extremely likely to happen and have tons of evidence pointing to them being true, so Geno supporters will have absolutely no way to argue with you after you tell them this. (Note: choosing "premium Mii Costume" will cost an additional $.75)

Finally, we all know Geno supporters love to tout around their "evidence" about why he may be in but we have you covered there! For just an extra $20.00, you can add on a reason as to why one of his pieces of evidence is fake, these can range from "CacoMallow is clearly mods because he just copy and pasted the Mii Hats on to the head" to "Insiders hearing his name is BS, they actually mistook Glover from the Glover series for Geno" to "His Mii Costume didn't come with Hero because DQ is Enix and Geno is Square!!!"
With points like these, those Genobabies are sure to burst into flames immediately after you've dealt with them!

The Geno Deconfirmation Pack™, now starting at the low low price of 399.99! Find it at a GameFaqs thread near you!

Note: Lord Woomy nor Geno Deconfirmation Pack™ Inc. are responsible for any disease, injury, legal problems, or whale funerals you may develop when using Geno Deconfirmation Pack™. If it has been 30 days since Geno has been revealed and you are still feeling the effects of Geno Deconfirmation Pack™, please consult your doctor. Do not use Geno Deconfirmation Pack™ if you are pregnant, have an odd number of toes, or are currently on a low water diet. Geno Deconfirmation Pack™ contains chemicals known to cause cancer in the state of California.
 
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SpiritOfRuin

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Hellooooooo Geno Thread!
I'd like to introduce you to my magnum opus, the Customizable Geno Deconfirmation Pack™!
We all like to find reasons as to why Geno is never coming to Smash, especially not in Ultimate but thinking reasons can be too hard, so I've taken the opportunity to let you pick and choose the reasons from a word bank so you don't even have to give any brain power to it at all!

First of all, what Square character will get in over him?
We all know how comforting it was for Banjo detractors to have a Steve to constantly throw at Banjo supporters and how he's inevitably getting in over him, well now you have the opportunity to do the same but with a wide selection of Square characters! Choose from our list of 2B, Sora, Sephiroth, Crono, Neku, Lara Croft, and Gex!
Don't care about any of those characters? Doesn't matter! Just use them and their fan bases as sacrificial lambs to dab on the Genobros. Now, you can immediately shut down Geno fans by saying another Square character is a lock and will get in over Geno!

Next, we obviously have to know why Geno's fundamentally deconfirmed and we've come prepared! Spirits can deconfirm, he can be too irrelevant, he can have absolutely no possible moveset for Smash, or you can just not personally like him and say that makes him impossible.
Any of these reasons are ironclad and impossible to argue against, make sure especially to come into Geno's support groups every 5 days and tell them this over and over and over, they will inevitably appreciate it and immediately hate Geno because he's now deconfirmed by one of our ironclad points

Next, will Geno's normal Mii Costume come back or will it be a deluxe version with a music track?
Pick one of these 2 options to absolutely obliterate Geno supporters when you come into contact with them next! Either is extremely likely to happen and have tones of evidence pointing to them being true, so Geno supporters will have absolutely no way to argue with you after you tell them this. (Note: choosing "premium Mii Costume" will cost an additional $.75)

Finally, we all know Geno supporters love to tout around their "evidence" about why he may be in but we have you covered there! For just an extra $20.00, you can add on a reason as to why one of his pieces of evidence is fake, these can range from "CacoMallow is clearly mods because he just copy and pasted the Mii Hats on to the head" to "Insiders hearing his name is BS, they actually mistook Glover from the Glover series for Geno" to "His Mii Costume didn't come with Hero because DQ is Enix and Geno is Square!!!"
With points like these, those Genobabies are sure to burst into flames immediately after you've dealt with them!

The Geno Deconfirmation Pack™, now starting at the low low price of 399.99! Find it at a GameFaqs thread near you!

Note: Lord Woomy nor Geno Deconfirmation Pack™ Inc. are responsible for any disease, injury, legal problems, or whale funerals you may develop when using Geno Deconfirmation Pack™. If it has been 30 days since Geno has been revealed and you are still feeling the effects of Geno Deconfirmation Pack™, please consult your doctor. Do not use Geno Deconfirmation Pack™ if you are pregnant, have an odd number of toes, or are currently on a low water diet. Geno Deconfirmation Pack™ contains chemicals known to cause cancer in the state of California.
Psh every 5 days? I can do better than that!

Hey everyone just came over from the Gex thread to remind you that Cacomallow is just wishful thinking because Geno is totally irrelevant and will just have his Sm4sh Mii costume return if you're lucky.

This message brought to you by the proven facts carefully researched by non other that Lord Goomy...I mean Woomy himself. Also does anyone have about $400 I can have? I seem to have spent it on this very important PSA.

For real tho you're on fire today Woomy.
 

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Aight guys this is it, the true final 14 days, because if nothing comes out before the 19th (and come on, there's no way it'll be on the weekend/Monday, which is why I didn't say 23rd), then we're just waiting til E3 at that point. They passed all of January and February, they may possibly skip over Mario Day and SMRPG's anniversary (which makes me think it's next week TBH). They might start selling the PHYSICAL FP2 WITHOUT ANNOUNCING A FIGHTER. Legit, 19th is the absolute last day for DLC 6 before it's gonna just be an E3 double reveal (and the rest of the year's news).

If I'm actually wrong and it's sometime between the 24th and E3, I will be so mad at Nintendo being just downright dumb-as-hell classic Nintendo.
 
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If he doesn't get in by E3 I may lose hope. Please convince me the end isn't near for our boy. I'm getting increasingly nervous about the potential of him getting costumed again.
 

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If he doesn't get in by E3 I may lose hope
I could see Sakurai troll us a bit by making him the last character, or E3 next year. The odds would look a touch worse if E3 next year goes by without him though.

I'm still believing that he could be first, as he'd break the "Spirits Deconfirm" poison mindset finally, and FP2 speculation could FINALLY stop using that as a counterargument. Then, E3 would be Crash, met with thunderous applause as well. I think that would be pretty kickass.
 

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Man I really wish that Wishes wasn’t one of the only top players that’s a fan of Geno. The guy is completely toxic. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt but just watch this clip:

https://twitter.com/cloud805/status/1235706035223924737?s=21

A ton of ****ty ableist language because he got beat in a wi-fi tournament on top of his history of transphobic comments. Like people want to talk about the Geno thread reflecting poorly on the character but tbh having one of the biggest pro player Geno fans being this horrible is an even worse association.
 
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Slow-talk here, so I might as well send my predictions for the pass and give a un-needed amount of detail on each addition.

What "Other:" means is possible other options for characters/character placements

Fighter 6 - Crash Bandicoot. (Other: Dante, Hayabusa, Geno, Waluigi) March 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Coco Bandicoot, Aku Aku Mask, Doctor Neo Cortex Cap, Spyro Cap, COD Shooter.
(Possible: Cacodemon, Standard Marine)

A great opener to the pass. Iconic (check), Requested (check), Legacy (check), Nintendo History (check), etc.
I'm also feeling
Dante for the pass starter as well, so if Cacomallow is real, I have a strong feeling one of the Mii's will have to come with CP6 or CP7 at the latest. Either way, many things are lining up for these two as a whole.

Fighter 7 - Dante. (Other: Geno, Crash, Hayabusa, Waluigi, Phoenix) E3 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Nero, Vergil, Boss, Phoenix Write, Kris (Deltarune).
(Possible: Cacodemon, Standard Marine)

Dante has a lot of stuff lining up for his inclusion, same as Geno,
One of the main reason's why he's on the list is due to this interview...
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._demand_says_series_should_be_on_switch_first
And as quoted from the interview.. "Well, you think about it… I’m pretty sure that they… all the characters in Smash at least have some game on a Nintendo platform, right? Well, that’s the thing. Devil May Cry has never been on a Nintendo platform. So it seems like the first thing to do would be to get Capcom to put Devil May Cry on a Nintendo platform in some way, shape or form."
And according to insider Irman, E3 is when they made the decision to include more Fighters.
And look what got ported over around E3 time?
I am putting
Dante as 7, and not Geno because I believe we're going to get 3 reveals by Now - June. 1 in March, 2 at E3, and I believe we're going to get Geno as the finisher to the E3 show, so that is one of the only reason's why.
If it wasn't for this reason, I would switch Geno to 7 in a heartbeat, due to that's kind of the limit to Cacomallow, and with Square's Hero amiibo possibly being released with CP7, and Square likes to have all of their content together as proven, a Square character is likely to be CP7, but I digress.
also, I like the idea of Cacodemon releasing with Dante, as devil may cry, yeah blah blah.

Fighter 8 - Geno. (Other: Dante, Crash) E3 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Mallow, Smithy, Lazy Shell, Chocobo, Hollow Knight.
I love saying this, but this fighter possibly has the most lining up for him, and I'll list all of the reason's here but there's a post by Polarthief
"There is too much evidence" (That is what I like to call it)
By far this explains most of my reasonings.
But I'll also share something else I shared over on the "Star Road" discord server.
I'm going to post this here because, it's mainly a Geno server.
"User "Supirorguy" over on PapaGeno's discord server, known for having some sort of insider information about Nintendo, and not mostly Smash.
said on the PapaGeno's server that SMRPG was meant to be at launch but due to rewind issues, it was held back.
Which makes sense, it's kind of a taxing game on the SNES but there was a few things going against it.
For starters, it rewinded perfectly fine on the SNES classic I believe, and they put the game on Wii and Wii U a bit early on, so it would be odd to delay it this much.

Well, there was a kick in the bucket a few weeks/days ago.
User "del" in the same server proved that, without issue, it was able to rewind, and on a switch emulator to less.
"
Either he got misinformation about SMRPG as a whole, or, SMRPG was delayed for a different reason and not the rewind.
Let's say this means something for a second here, why would Nintendo purposely send out false information about a old SNES game, unless they were delaying it for a different and overall BIGGER reason?
I believe this could be a tie-in for Geno with either being a 5-10 dollar port, NSO port, or a full on remake.
Question is, why do this all for a Mii costume, you know, it'll be way too much work.

Fighter 9 - Lloyd Irving (Other: Geno, Waluigi, Hayabusa, Master Chief, Dante) September 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Yuri Lowell, Heihachi, Lloyd, Gil, Ms. Pacman Cap.

With Lloyd's Mii being missing when most of them should of came back in the base-game, due to Bandi working on Smash as a whole, unless they decided to make a deal around E3, again, with making a playable Namco character, and Lloyd is by far the most requested Namco fighter.

Also with Lloyd and Yuri being heard, and now just, flat out Lloyd, I feel like they made their choice.

Fighter 10 - Waluigi (Other: Ring Fit Adventurer, Hayabusa, Master Chief) December 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Ring Fit Adventurer, Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude, Goomba Cap, Hat Kid)

Yep, the WAH himself, I would put Waluigi near the start but there are a bunch of other characters I feel like are more so near the start of the pass.
I'll like to quote from Sakurai's last column about Fighter's Pass V.2.
https://nintendoeverything.com/saku...elections-his-role-future-of-the-series-more/
"Extravagant additions", what this could mean in this context is "lacking restraint in spending money or using resources", or "exceeding what is reasonable or appropriate; absurd."
I'll say the second context is more likely, as with Sakurai having less and less budget, as proven, so it's unlikely they'll try to go for a big-time deal like with Sora and Disney.
And what is a cheap money maker for Nintendo? Waluigi.
I'll say with the context of the quote "Extravagant additions"
I can’t say definitively that the possibility of the Smash Bros. series continuing doesn’t exist moving forward. After all, [the series has] overcome the difficulty of surviving even up until now. However, neither I nor the people in charge at Nintendo are thinking about future plans at all. Going all in by adding new content at once would be an ill-advised plan for the future. Instead, we can extend the life of the game by gradually adding more content.

And that’s why these upcoming six fighters are going to be extravagant additions. Suppose a new “Smash Bros.” game comes out in the near future, it doesn’t need to have the same amount of fighters as this game does. I hope everyone can always enjoy this game for what it is.
It really seems like they are going to finish up some last minute, long awaited fan-requests.
Waluigi, Geno, and Lloyd fit this bill almost PERFECTLY.

Fighter 11 - Master Chief (Other: Waluigi, Steve, Geno, Ring Fit Adventurer) E3 2021 reveal
Mii Costumes: Spartan, Conker, Steve, Creeper, Ori

The Spartan himself, Master Chief, I feel like they are seriously going to end this game with a bang, and what better bang to end with then with the Mario, of Microsoft, their old foe that now is buddy-buddy.
I'll say with Fatman saying the last character was recently negotiated, and the fact Doug (president of
Nintendo of America), and Phil Spencer (executive vice-president of Microsoft), being both in Japan at the same time
There was a problem fetching the tweet
, and MCC (
Master Chief Collection), being rumored for Switch for a long while now, I feel like Master Chief Collection will finally come out around November 2020 - February 2021, and that'll be perfect timing for Chief's inclusion, and being revealed around E3 2021


ADDITIONAL CONTENT
Minecraft Stage (After Chief) - 1.99
I believe we're going to get Minecraft content no matter what, I feel like a Minecraft stage coming after FPV2, would make a lot of sense, especially if Master Chief is CP11
Boss Rush Mode Added.
Break The Targets Mode Added.
Balloon Fighter - Fighter 12. - 4.99
One last Iwata Tribute that is not only requested, but is a really good way to represent Iwata. I know Smash Ultimate is already the Iwata tribute, but having one last character at the end, would be perfect.

After that, Ultimate is fully done, Spirit events and torny's will likely be held afterwards, if not a FPV3 with 4 more characters.

Funny thing is, I didn't even see that these were Fatman's predictions, just in a different order, which is funny as when I made this I didn't even think of that.
 
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Been watching Tales from the Crypt today. I'm assuming there were no new announcements for the general direct or Geno related news?
 

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Fighter 6 - Crash Bandicoot. (Other: Dante, Hayabusa, Waluigi) March 2020 reveal
So since I've been getting heavy into speculation post-Byleth, I've been thinking on my thoughts from back then and I've changed them a decent bit...
Waluigi I could see, the others I just... idk, I just can't. Crash seems so much more like an E3 reveal, as in "he's too big to start off FP2". Waluigi, and Geno while I'm at it, would be an AT/Spirit (respectively) promotion, breaking the AT/Spirit deconfirm thing, and doing it early sparks more speculation (i.e., even more free advertising as it can spill over into stuff like Twitter). Don't get me wrong though, Geno and Waluigi are definitely big picks, but Crash just seems more big worldwide (especially in Europe where they didn't have SMRPG until the virtual console, so hardly anyone there gives a rat's ass about Geno). Waluigi, while wanted, is definitely more or a meme pick. Still very much wanted in the US, but idk about the rest of the world.

Dante and Hayabusa... eh. Kind of lukewarm starter picks if you ask me. You want that "wow" factor to start off (especially after Byleth!!!) without being *too* "wow" (like Crash) and dumping everything early (like the directs pre-launch did). Dante, maaaaaaybe? Slightly better than Hayabusa who, if he is getting in, would likely be a Q3 2020 or Q1 2021 reveal (as in a way less important slot). He'd be the most "okayest" DLC.

Just my two cents on this. If it's not Geno or Waluigi, then yeah I guess it'd have to be a lukewarm start or blowing Crash early. Best case scenario IMO would be Geno for 6, Crash for 7 and MC for 8, 7 and 8 both being revealed at E3, if they really wanted to go ape right away. MC could also be an advertisement for the newest Halo game coming out (which would likely mean cheaper costs to Nintendo; who knows who would pay who at that point?) supposedly at the end of the year? (idk I don't follow Xbox stuff)

That said though, assuming Geno/Crash/MC all revealed in that order up til E3, Lloyd or Dante would be good Q3 2020/Q1 2021 picks for sure, though then idk what they'd do for E3 next year. Ending on Waluigi would make the Internet blow up, but hey, if they can end on an awful last pick for FP1 like Byleth, I could see Waluigi ending off FP2 at E3.

I love saying this, but this fighter possibly has the most lining up for him, and I'll list all of the reason's here but there's a post by Polarthief
"There is too much evidence" (That is what I like to call it)
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I also just updated The List™ last night to be cleaner and clearer. Glad you liked it though =)
 
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