Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Paraspikey]

So since I've been getting heavy into speculation post-Byleth, I've been thinking on my thoughts from back then and I've changed them a decent bit...
Waluigi I could see, the others I just... idk, I just can't. Crash seems so much more like an E3 reveal, as in "he's too big to start off FP2". Waluigi, and Geno while I'm at it, would be an AT/Spirit (respectively) promotion, breaking the AT/Spirit deconfirm thing, and doing it early sparks more speculation (i.e., even more free advertising as it can spill over into stuff like Twitter). Don't get me wrong though, Geno and Waluigi are definitely big picks, but Crash just seems more big worldwide (especially in Europe where they didn't have SMRPG until the virtual console, so hardly anyone there gives a rat's ass about Geno). Waluigi, while wanted, is definitely more or a meme pick. Still very much wanted in the US, but idk about the rest of the world.

Dante and Hayabusa... eh. Kind of lukewarm starter picks if you ask me. You want that "wow" factor to start off (especially after Byleth!!!) without being *too* "wow" (like Crash) and dumping everything early (like the directs pre-launch did). Dante, maaaaaaybe? Slightly better than Hayabusa who, if he is getting in, would likely be a Q3 2020 or Q1 2021 reveal (as in a way less important slot). He'd be the most "okayest" DLC.

Just my two cents on this. If it's not Geno or Waluigi, then yeah I guess it'd have to be a lukewarm start or blowing Crash early. Best case scenario IMO would be Geno for 6, Crash for 7 and MC for 8, 7 and 8 both being revealed at E3, if they really wanted to go ape right away. MC could also be an advertisement for the newest Halo game coming out (which would likely mean cheaper costs to Nintendo; who knows who would pay who at that point?) supposedly at the end of the year? (idk I don't follow Xbox stuff)

That said though, assuming Geno/Crash/MC all revealed in that order up til E3, Lloyd or Dante would be good Q3 2020/Q1 2021 picks for sure, though then idk what they'd do for E3 next year. Ending on Waluigi would make the Internet blow up, but hey, if they can end on an awful last pick for FP1 like Byleth, I could see Waluigi ending off FP2 at E3.

Although I agree that Crash is a E3 level reveal, I believe they are going to start and end big, and lets say, having Crash being revealed to be the first fighter would pull people in heavily, but if Crash comes later, that'll make a lot of sense.
This is why I did the "Other" stuff, it's other characters I believe could fit in pretty well either being in the pass or a different order in the pass itself.
I'm very mixed on CP6 currently on who it is, but if I had to pick "Who would be the biggest?", it'll be Crash.
Waluigi, Geno, or Dante starting off the pass would also be flat out awesome.

Waluigi I decided to put on 10 because, yes it'll be pretty nice to end on him in general and overall make headlines in general, Master Chief would overall fit the ending bill way better.
And considering the "rumor" or possible "leak", that CP11 or the last fighter was just "negotiated" for, not decided on, meaning they needed to go to a different company to "negotiate".
CP11, I'm pretty sure is a third party just based on current rumors we have.

I also just updated The List™ last night to be cleaner and clearer. Glad you liked it though =)

I did like it, it's complied well in my opinion and explained most of the evidence going in Geno's favor. Great job!

 

[T2by4]

Man I really wish that Wishes wasn’t one of the only top players that’s a fan of Geno. The guy is completely toxic. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt but just watch this clip:

https://twitter.com/cloud805/status/1235706035223924737?s=21

A ton of ****ty ableist language because he got beat in a wi-fi tournament on top of his history of transphobic comments. Like people want to talk about the Geno thread reflecting poorly on the character but tbh having one of the biggest pro player Geno fans being this horrible is an even worse association.

Holy based Wishes

 

[Polarthief]

Although I agree that Crash is a E3 level reveal, I believe they are going to start and end big, and lets say, having Crash being revealed to be the first fighter would pull people in heavily, but if Crash comes later, that'll make a lot of sense.
This is why I did the "Other" stuff, it's other characters I believe could fit in pretty well either being in the pass or a different order in the pass itself.
I'm very mixed on CP6 currently on who it is, but if I had to pick "Who would be the biggest?", it'll be Crash.
Waluigi, Geno, or Dante starting off the pass would also be flat out awesome.

Makes sense. I guess I'm basing it off FP1, assuming they'll have an interesting-but-not-globally-massive open that also greatly opens the door on speculation, both of which Joker did, and Geno or Waluigi definitely would as well. Don't get me wrong it's totally possible, especially after Byleth, that they'd want to start very strong, so I guess I could see that happening too. I've never claimed to be that knowledgeable on this topic, just that these are my thoughts and they'd want to have a very strong E3 presence since I'm sure Microsoft and Sony are gonna be pushing next gen pretty hard this year.

Waluigi I decided to put on 10 because, yes it'll be pretty nice to end on him in general and overall make headlines in general, Master Chief would overall fit the ending bill way better.

While I don't disagree with either of these things, I just think having a weaker ending, but it ending on Waluigi finally becoming a real character would be a much better "looking to the future" kind of thing. It'll always be remembered that Waluigi was finally "made" via Ultimate and ended up being the last character (besides the possibility of a tribute character for Iwata); idk I just think it'd be better than ending on a third party, regardless of how massive it would be for people (not me personally as I wouldn't give a crap about MC, but I acknowledge he'd be huge for a lot of people).

And considering the "rumor" or possible "leak", that CP11 or the last fighter was just "negotiated" for, not decided on, meaning they needed to go to a different company to "negotiate".
CP11, I'm pretty sure is a third party just based on current rumors we have.

I wouldn't give much attention to leaks or rumors like that. Even if a character was "just" negotiated for, they could slot them at #10 and push Waluigi/a first party to #11, easy. There's an entire year and then some until 11 needs to be unveiled (hell even #10, assuming 11 is E3 2021 and 10 is Q1 2021). It's not like you even need #10's model to be finished and ready anytime soon, even moreso for #11, so that wouldn't matter too much.

I did like it, it's complied well in my opinion and explained most of the evidence going in Geno's favor. Great job!

Thank you, and I do plan to keep it updated the second new stuff is posted, even if it's extremely minor and/or dumb, like the Cacodemon plushie last week.
(to everyone else reading this, legit, do ping me if that post is missing anything!)

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Anybody here remember Sovereign Trinity ? I really miss him and @Zack E. man they were like my bros. I hope to see them come back here when Geno get's in.

Oh.

Don't worry, I'm far from gone. Still rooting for my little star puppet. <3

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Aight guys this is it, the true final 14 days, because if nothing comes out before the 19th (and come on, there's no way it'll be on the weekend/Monday, which is why I didn't say 23rd), then we're just waiting til E3 at that point. They passed all of January and February, they may possibly skip over Mario Day and SMRPG's anniversary (which makes me think it's next week TBH). They might start selling the PHYSICAL FP2 WITHOUT ANNOUNCING A FIGHTER. Legit, 19th is the absolute last day for DLC 6 before it's gonna just be an E3 double reveal (and the rest of the year's news).

If I'm actually wrong and it's sometime between the 24th and E3, I will be so mad at Nintendo being just downright dumb-as-hell classic Nintendo.

If we actually end up waiting until E3 for anything Smash-related, I'm gonna assume it's because something went horribly wrong behind the scenes with development on one of the DLC characters, and everything had to be delayed just to fix that one behind-the-scenes ****-up... whatever it is, maybe Geno ends up glitching out and turning into another Pikaman.

 

[Polarthief]

If we actually end up waiting until E3 for anything Smash-related, I'm gonna assume it's because something went horribly wrong behind the scenes with development on one of the DLC characters, and everything had to be delayed just to fix that one behind-the-scenes ****-up... whatever it is, maybe Geno ends up glitching out and turning into another Pikaman.

TBH I'd accept waiting until E3 for DLC 6 if we get that direct and I get PM3 revealed. While obviously this website is for Smash and I'm sure that would consume some of you guys, I'm okay waiting for Smash news, just not general Nintendo news, though I'm sure DLC 6 will appear at it, since selling FP2 for this long w/o a reveal is really... weird.
But legit, if AC comes out before the general direct, I'm gonna be royally pissed, and it's only got 2 weeks and an hour to go now!

 

[waterhasataste]

Personally, I think that Crash can be revealed first

If our list ends up being:
-Crash
-Geno
-Lloyd
-Waluigi
-Dante
-Master Chief

Then these are all extremely big strong picks that have strong support. It could be argued that any character would be best saved for an E3 reveal. I don't get why Crash can't be the first character because he's too huge of a character to be first, when we could say that about a handful of the other speculated characters. Cloud, arguably the most shocking 3rd party addition, was just revealed in a normal direct. Joker I would argue, was also a pretty shocking 3rd party left field announcement, and that's the character they picked to open FP1 with. Especially after Byleth's lukewarm reception, I definitely can see Nintendo picking a huge character to open FP2 and win people over with. They definitely can open with Crash. I'm not saying 100% that Crash will be first, but I don't think it should be ruled out entirely. Especially if FP2 ends up being as huge and fanservicey as we think. That's just my opinion though

 

[Datboigeno]

Holy based Wishes

I'd say he qualified as being more Cringe and Seething than anything but to each their own.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

First of all, it is a pleasure to see all of you wonderful people again after so long. I really missed this thread and my Geno pals, so I thought I'd return.

I've also come to bring you great news. I know I'm a little bit late for this, and somebody probably beat me to it on anncouncing this news earlier, but Mark Haynes, aka Alvin-Earthworm, is back at it again with remaking Super Mario Bros. Z after a 4 year hiatus. As a huge fan and old watcher of Super Mario Bros. Z, I just had to share this with y'all because I know some of you in here are also SMBZ fans. Here's a preview he recently shared from Episode 2. Hopefully I'm allowed to post this here, and I hope it works. Really excited for the series to come back!

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He'll also be re-releasing the original series upscaled in 4K this Saturday on his YouTube channel!​

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Fighter 10 - Waluigi

I really wish I could be as confident about Waluigi, I feel like a party pooper whenever I say that I just don't see Waluigi getting promoted at all. If he was on Nintendo's radar he wouldn't have been crammed into an Assist Trophy to begin with; not to mention the bitter taste that would follow: "Why does Waluigi get promoted but Issac/Shovel Knight/Bomberman/Shadow can't!?"

I do think his time could come in the next Smash Bros. game though, but in the grand scheme of things I feel like he would have been in by now if he was coming at all

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Oh.

Don't worry, I'm far from gone. Still rooting for my little star puppet. <3

It's great to have you back old friend.

 

[HudU]

I have a lot of hope for Geno in this pass. Also a rumored direct could happen next week, supposedly on the 9th (or 2nd week of march)

either way

its all coming together

(though if this person did predict the AC direct, it makes me wonder if this is the same info Sabi got, in that a Nindies is coming)

https://www.express.co.uk/entertain...arch-2020-Switch-games-leaks-date-predictions

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Since Paraspikey posted his earlier, I'll post my own

Crash Bandicoot: The dude has had a storybook comeback with two powerhouse remakes, with CTR Nitro Fueled doing well enough to rival Mario Kart. Crash is a gaming icon of the 90's, and having him in would complete the rival trio with Mario and Sonic, plus he's a rather popular request

Master Chief: Mr. FPS himself; I don't even need to go into why this dude is an icon of gaming history. Of course his inclusion all hinges on whether Microsoft will double-dip and get two reps in Smash. Also there was the matter of way back when, Dead or Alive asked for Chief as a cameo and they were denied because they felt Chief appearing in a random crossover would ruin the integrity of his story.

But that was a long time ago, and Smash Bros is basically gaming Hall of Fame at this point; plus it could be argued Banjo got in as part of a larger deal "Okay, you can have Banjo but we also get Master Chief in there down the line"

Sora: Yes, yes, you can scream all you want about Disney being an evil monopoly and how they'll take over the world and how they're too protective to ever let Nintendo get their hands on him and yadda yadda yadda. But Disney has been surprisingly cool with game developers; they've loaned out Wreck-It Ralph to be in Sonic All Stars Racing, They've let Fortnite have a field day with Marvel and Star Wars, They've made Mickey-branded Nintendo Switches and so on and so on

Kingdom Hearts has actually a very LONG history of being on Nintendo consoles, before they were all streamlined into all-in-one-packages, all throughout the past two decades the series has had every other game be on Nintendo handhelds: The GBA, the DS, the 3DS... Plus, Sakurai and Nomura are good buddies; Nomura would hardly say no to having his passion project showcased, and despite what you might think: Kingdom Hearts has PLENTY of non-Disney content to have it stand on its own

Sora is a humongous request and could easily be the big "Holy S*** they got HIM!?" pick right along with Chief. We all thought Banjo-Kazooie was impossible, but the impossible happened. People say Sora is impossible... but who knows?

Morrigan: When it comes to Capcom in Smash, everybody jumps straight to Phoenix Wright and Dante; and for good reason. But if there is one character who always shows up for the crossovers its Morrigan. She's the mascot of Darkstalkers behind Felica; and could bring a whole variety of moves to the table.

Of course, there's the matter of her being a very fanservice heavy character and the fact that Mai couldn't even appear as a cameo in Smash because of that factor, but Bayonetta is still able to make her clothing vanish a bit for her abilities; surely they could work something out for Morrigan to make her appropriate "for good girls and boys"

Geno: Ahhh, the puppet boi himself. Truly it seems like its his time to shine for reasons people have mentioned in this thread over and over again. The last of the big long-running requests that have gone on since Melee and Brawl and a pick straight for the dedicated fanbase.

I feel as though this is Geno's "Now or Never" moment, if not here then I'm uncertain for the future. But if this is truly to be the Ultimate Smash Bros, we have to get our puppet boi in

Cinderace: At last we come to the dreaded "Shill Pick", of course Nintendo is going to want to promote Pokemon some more since the DLC is going to keep the game alive for another year at least; and despite it's controversy Sword and Shield WILL be a tentpole title for the Switch for years to come.

When it comes to a SwSh rep in Smash, everyone roots for Rillaboom so we can have a grass starter to balance things out. But let's be real... it would absolutely be Cinderace: Scorbunny is the star of the new anime series, he would be an angile, fast fighter that could match Captain Falcon or Shiek, and overall it just makes too much sense.

I firmly believe a Pokemon rep is inevitable, it's the one thing in this list I would actually put money on. If we got Byleth, we're getting Pokemon, and it's going to be Cinderace

 

[Izanagi97]

First of all, it is a pleasure to see all of you wonderful people again after so long. I really missed this thread and my Geno pals, so I thought I'd return.

I've also come to bring you great news. I know I'm a little bit late for this, and somebody probably beat me to it on anncouncing this news earlier, but Mark Haynes, aka Alvin-Earthworm, is back at it again with remaking Super Mario Bros. Z after a 4 year hiatus. As a huge fan and old watcher of Super Mario Bros. Z, I just had to share this with y'all because I know some of you in here are also SMBZ fans. Here's a preview he recently shared from Episode 2. Hopefully I'm allowed to post this here, and I hope it works. Really excited for the series to come back!

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He'll also be re-releasing the original series upscaled in 4K this Saturday on his YouTube channel!​

I haven't really been keeping up to date with the series. All I know is that the reboot went on an indefinite hiatus (hell, I thought it got canceled) due to Mark dealing with some pretty serious **** (his Patreon getting taken down didn't help).

 

[ForsakenM]

Boy, the lack of considering actual Nintendo patterns is disturbing. Let me just say before I repeat myself yet again that I will laugh ungodly hard with we do get an official Direct next week. Why, you may ask?

Because so many insiders have been saying one thing after another about when it will be, ye they were wrong. I'm just using information that ANYONE can have, and I've been right about a bunch of things, and adding this one on would take the ****ing cake.

Now, what pattern is being ignored here? The pattern of 'Solid Start, Explosive Rising Tension, Weak Climax'.

Smash has followed that pattern since they've started doing reveals in this fashion. Brawl led with Pit, Metaknight and Wario before showing Snake, had Sonic in the middle, and ended with Wolf who wasn't accepted well.

Smash 4 Base led with Villager, exploded with Megaman and dropped a bit until it jumped up again with Little Mac, then finished with Shulk, Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt who were all rather weak.

Smash 4 DLC led with Mewtwo and Lucas, had Ryu and Cloud in the middle, and ended with the dreaded Corrin and Bayonetta combo.

Ultimate Base led off with Inkling and Daisy echo, had Ridley, the Belmonts and King K. Rool in the middle, then ended with Ken, Incineroar and Piranha Plant that many people despised.

Ultimate DLC Vol 1 led with Joker, blew up the internet with Hero and Banjo & Kazooie, then fell off with Terry and mostly with Byleth.

Like I said, they start solid but not crazy, blow their whole load in the middle, then have little left at the end. This would mean that any character that is a big E3-worthy reveal like Crash or Dante or Master Chief or Sora or whathaveyou will not be #6 just based on Nintendo's own pattern, but rather someone like Ryu Hayabusa, Waluigi or Phoenix Wright who are strong solid picks but not as crazy explosive as others. Hell, Geno would fit as #6 as well because despite being a big fan favorite it's not quite the same as getting a competitor's character. Those of you who argue that they will lead strong and stay strong throughout the whole pass have nothing to go on but your gut feeling and hopes.

Some of you argue 'But it's the last DLC, so they HAVE to go crazy!' or 'Byleth was such a letdown that they HAVE to open crazy!' but you forget that both base Ultimate and Vol 1 were both intended to be the last of the content at one point and they still followed the above pattern, and you also forget that Byleth being a letdown doesn't change the pattern of ending weak and then starting off solid. It also assumes that your own desperation for another character won't make any new reveal more acceptable, which I already have proof that it does just based on how you guys act in this thread DAILY as well as some of you outright admitting it AND that Nintendo has done this to you several times already.

 

[OffBi]

Since Paraspikey posted his earlier, I'll post my own

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Crash Bandicoot: The dude has had a storybook comeback with two powerhouse remakes, with CTR Nitro Fueled doing well enough to rival Mario Kart. Crash is a gaming icon of the 90's, and having him in would complete the rival trio with Mario and Sonic, plus he's a rather popular request

Master Chief: Mr. FPS himself; I don't even need to go into why this dude is an icon of gaming history. Of course his inclusion all hinges on whether Microsoft will double-dip and get two reps in Smash. Also there was the matter of way back when, Dead or Alive asked for Chief as a cameo and they were denied because they felt Chief appearing in a random crossover would ruin the integrity of his story.

But that was a long time ago, and Smash Bros is basically gaming Hall of Fame at this point; plus it could be argued Banjo got in as part of a larger deal "Okay, you can have Banjo but we also get Master Chief in there down the line"

Sora: Yes, yes, you can scream all you want about Disney being an evil monopoly and how they'll take over the world and how they're too protective to ever let Nintendo get their hands on him and yadda yadda yadda. But Disney has been surprisingly cool with game developers; they've loaned out Wreck-It Ralph to be in Sonic All Stars Racing, They've let Fortnite have a field day with Marvel and Star Wars, They've made Mickey-branded Nintendo Switches and so on and so on

Kingdom Hearts has actually a very LONG history of being on Nintendo consoles, before they were all streamlined into all-in-one-packages, all throughout the past two decades the series has had every other game be on Nintendo handhelds: The GBA, the DS, the 3DS... Plus, Sakurai and Nomura are good buddies; Nomura would hardly say no to having his passion project showcased, and despite what you might think: Kingdom Hearts has PLENTY of non-Disney content to have it stand on its own

Sora is a humongous request and could easily be the big "Holy S*** they got HIM!?" pick right along with Chief. We all thought Banjo-Kazooie was impossible, but the impossible happened. People say Sora is impossible... but who knows?

Morrigan: When it comes to Capcom in Smash, everybody jumps straight to Phoenix Wright and Dante; and for good reason. But if there is one character who always shows up for the crossovers its Morrigan. She's the mascot of Darkstalkers behind Felica; and could bring a whole variety of moves to the table.

Of course, there's the matter of her being a very fanservice heavy character and the fact that Mai couldn't even appear as a cameo in Smash because of that factor, but Bayonetta is still able to make her clothing vanish a bit for her abilities; surely they could work something out for Morrigan to make her appropriate "for good girls and boys"

Geno: Ahhh, the puppet boi himself. Truly it seems like its his time to shine for reasons people have mentioned in this thread over and over again. The last of the big long-running requests that have gone on since Melee and Brawl and a pick straight for the dedicated fanbase.

I feel as though this is Geno's "Now or Never" moment, if not here then I'm uncertain for the future. But if this is truly to be the Ultimate Smash Bros, we have to get our puppet boi in

Cinderace: At last we come to the dreaded "Shill Pick", of course Nintendo is going to want to promote Pokemon some more since the DLC is going to keep the game alive for another year at least; and despite it's controversy Sword and Shield WILL be a tentpole title for the Switch for years to come.

When it comes to a SwSh rep in Smash, everyone roots for Rillaboom so we can have a grass starter to balance things out. But let's be real... it would absolutely be Cinderace: Scorbunny is the star of the new anime series, he would be an angile, fast fighter that could match Captain Falcon or Shiek, and overall it just makes too much sense.

I firmly believe a Pokemon rep is inevitable, it's the one thing in this list I would actually put money on. If we got Byleth, we're getting Pokemon, and it's going to be Cinderace

>Morrigan possible
>When Mai Shiranuri didn't even get a cameo on the stage, not even as a spirit
>Implying that capcom cares about the series anymore

...yeeeah no
Also why tf do so many people believe that we will get a Pokémon shill anyways?
I think that Pokémon company doesn't want it's Pokémon as dlc for smash from what I've heard.

 

[Organization XIII]

I really wish I could be as confident about Waluigi, I feel like a party pooper whenever I say that I just don't see Waluigi getting promoted at all. If he was on Nintendo's radar he wouldn't have been crammed into an Assist Trophy to begin with; not to mention the bitter taste that would follow: "Why does Waluigi get promoted but Issac/Shovel Knight/Bomberman/Shadow can't!?"

I do think his time could come in the next Smash Bros. game though, but in the grand scheme of things I feel like he would have been in by now if he was coming at all

He is on their radar though, that's why they discuss him all the time and why he got an Assist Trophy in the first place. People need to let this idea that if they wanted to make a character DLC they wouldn't have bothered with other forms of representation go. Not only is it wrong because that's never been the case but now we are removed from any possible character selections having been done while still working on the base game, so reconsidering character positions isn't unlikely considering they do it all the time.
Also, the idea that an AT being promoted is bad because the others weren't is so silly. Like what does that matter? Things like that never mattered in the first place to Nintendo or Nintendo wouldn't hand out AT roles to popular characters in the first place and for most fans of AT characters they'll be happy to see that stupid fan rule broken. Would it suck if Waluigi was promoted but Isaac wasn't? Sure in the sense that Isaac is the most popular character not in and should 1000% be in the game but most fans aren't going to resent Waluigi for that and the small, tiny, insignificant minority that will weren't going to be satisfied anyways so why should the majority of fans who want to see characters they love make it suffer?

 

[Lagguino]

So given by everything that occurred since I've been here it's safe to say that most people here think geno is at least 50% or higher right? Hopefully it happens (im keeping mines at 50% because of trying to keep expectations in check especially when i originally thought he was going to happen 100% during base)

P.S. how do i add images here? (especially on mobile)

 

[Rikarte]

If he doesn't get in by E3 I may lose hope. Please convince me the end isn't near for our boy. I'm getting increasingly nervous about the potential of him getting costumed again.

If Geno gets in I expect him to be part of the latter half of the pass with the first one being primarily used to add characters with mass appeal. Geno is character that is only popular within a small part of the hardcore Smash fanbase. Casuals don't care for him nor would he draw in a new demographic so Nintendo would most likely be better off picking other characters to start the pass with.
However by the time this DLC cycle wraps up, Smash Ultimate is gonna be around 3 years old and many casuals will have dropped the game by then. You know a group of people that will still be playing then though? And a character that appeals to this group of people??

Spoiler: That's right

Also a little off topic but why do so many people think the pass is gonna end on some SwSh-mon? Because of Byleth? Three Houses didn't get any content prior to his inclusion meanwhile Sword and Shield got a Spirit Event and a themed online Tournament when the games released. This also happened after further Smash DLC has been announced so I'm pretty sure Gen 8 is out of the running.

 

[skydogc]

*Watches Woomy die and does nothing* what? I told him he was on fire!

It was super effective.

 

[Datboigeno]

Geno is character that is only popular within a small part of the hardcore Smash fanbase. Casuals don't care for him nor would he draw in a new demographic so Nintendo would most likely be better off picking other characters to start the pass with.

I don't agree with this at all. If he were only popular with a small part of the hardcore fanbase he wouldn't be consistently voted as one of the top 5 most wanted characters in every poll since SSBU came out and Top 10 since Smash 4's ballot. The casual draw really is a non-factor too considering they started the last pass with Joker from Persona 5 and Hero from Dragon Quest. Persona 5 is pretty popular but is far from a casual/mainstream game and Dragon Quest was only hugely popular in Japan. I don't really think the pass necessarily needs to open with Crash or Master Chief. Banjo was the biggest announcement by far in FP1 and he was number 3. Also at the end of the day Geno is still a Mario character and therefore belongs to arguably the biggest franchise in gaming even if he hasn't been used since the 90s. A slightly edgy Mario character with laser guns in his arms wouldn't be popular to a new demographic? Nah. That's the type of character that's like crack for kids 7-12. Especially if Nintendo has plans to include him in spin-off games like Mario Kart, Party, or the sports titles.

 

[Polarthief]

Geno is character that is only popular within a small part of the hardcore Smash fanbase. Casuals don't care for him nor would he draw in a new demographic so Nintendo would most likely be better off picking other characters to start the pass with.

Bias or not, I refuse to believe that to be correct. In Europe and Australia, sure since they literally didn't have Geno til August 2008. But if Geno wasn't that popular, why would he get a splash screen for his mii costume? Also, do you really believe that Simon and Richter are more popular than him? Globally, it's possible (purely because of EU and Australia), but Geno has had a long-standing legacy with Smash itself since Brawl, and even got a rather important costume in Sm4sh. Also, even though they hate him, GameFAQs can't shut the hell up about him, just adding to how many times he's been mentioned in conversations regarding Smash.

Also regarding the "he wouldn't draw in a new demographic": Release SMRPG on NSO while pushing Paper Mario 3 and explain that history regarding SMRPG and Paper Mario. Boom. You just turned a highly-requested character that isn't even 1st party into an advertisement as well.

Also a little off topic but why do so many people think the pass is gonna end on some SwSh-mon? Because of Byleth? Three Houses didn't get any content prior to his inclusion meanwhile Sword and Shield got a Spirit Event and a themed online Tournament when the games released. This also happened after further Smash DLC has been announced so I'm pretty sure Gen 8 is out of the running.

TBH I'm less certain about SwSh with each passing day. I could see it still happening, but man how much BS would it be if they actually went with a starter or one of the new DLC shills? At the very least if we are getting a SwSh rep, I hope they look at the Gen 8 Pokemon of the Year vote and pick one of those instead. Toxtricity, who I've been pushing (IF we get a SwSh rep) was #2, barely losing to Dragapult, and #3 was Corviknight IIRC with like 20% less votes. That said, if FP2 was really about making fans happy like Fatman keeps saying, I doubt they'd go with a SwSh rep. They can easily still shill without needing to do that. Pokemon's been advertised more than enough and honestly they should stop doing it with how controversial Gen 8 is to begin with, plus EVERYONE who cares about it knows Gen 8 is out and exists already. It'd be a total waste of a slot, especially if it's a mon no one gives a crap about.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

P.S. how do i add images here? (especially on mobile)

You see that box on the left side next to the smiling icon? Click that and two options will show up. One allows you to drop the image in the box while the other has you put in the image address in it. Afterwards just click insert and you're done.

 

[egaddmario]

Slow-talk here, so I might as well send my predictions for the pass and give a un-needed amount of detail on each addition.

What "Other:" means is possible other options for characters/character placements

Fighter 6 - Crash Bandicoot. (Other: Dante, Hayabusa, Geno, Waluigi) March 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Coco Bandicoot, Aku Aku Mask, Doctor Neo Cortex Cap, Spyro Cap, COD Shooter.
(Possible: Cacodemon, Standard Marine)
A great opener to the pass. Iconic (check), Requested (check), Legacy (check), Nintendo History (check), etc.
I'm also feeling Dante for the pass starter as well, so if Cacomallow is real, I have a strong feeling one of the Mii's will have to come with CP6 or CP7 at the latest. Either way, many things are lining up for these two as a whole.

Fighter 7 - Dante. (Other: Geno, Crash, Hayabusa, Waluigi, Phoenix) E3 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Nero, Vergil, Boss, Phoenix Write, Kris (Deltarune).
(Possible: Cacodemon, Standard Marine)
Dante has a lot of stuff lining up for his inclusion, same as Geno,
One of the main reason's why he's on the list is due to this interview...
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._demand_says_series_should_be_on_switch_first
And as quoted from the interview.. "Well, you think about it… I’m pretty sure that they… all the characters in Smash at least have some game on a Nintendo platform, right? Well, that’s the thing. Devil May Cry has never been on a Nintendo platform. So it seems like the first thing to do would be to get Capcom to put Devil May Cry on a Nintendo platform in some way, shape or form."
And according to insider Irman, E3 is when they made the decision to include more Fighters.
And look what got ported over around E3 time?

I am putting Dante as 7, and not Geno because I believe we're going to get 3 reveals by Now - June. 1 in March, 2 at E3, and I believe we're going to get Geno as the finisher to the E3 show, so that is one of the only reason's why.
If it wasn't for this reason, I would switch Geno to 7 in a heartbeat, due to that's kind of the limit to Cacomallow, and with Square's Hero amiibo possibly being released with CP7, and Square likes to have all of their content together as proven, a Square character is likely to be CP7, but I digress.
also, I like the idea of Cacodemon releasing with Dante, as devil may cry, yeah blah blah.

Fighter 8 - Geno. (Other: Dante, Crash) E3 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Mallow, Smithy, Lazy Shell, Chocobo, Hollow Knight.
I love saying this, but this fighter possibly has the most lining up for him, and I'll list all of the reason's here but there's a post by Polarthief
"There is too much evidence" (That is what I like to call it)
By far this explains most of my reasonings.
But I'll also share something else I shared over on the "Star Road" discord server.
I'm going to post this here because, it's mainly a Geno server.

Either he got misinformation about SMRPG as a whole, or, SMRPG was delayed for a different reason and not the rewind.
Let's say this means something for a second here, why would Nintendo purposely send out false information about a old SNES game, unless they were delaying it for a different and overall BIGGER reason?
I believe this could be a tie-in for Geno with either being a 5-10 dollar port, NSO port, or a full on remake.
Question is, why do this all for a Mii costume, you know, it'll be way too much work.

Fighter 9 - Lloyd Irving (Other: Geno, Waluigi, Hayabusa, Master Chief, Dante) September 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Yuri Lowell, Heihachi, Lloyd, Gil, Ms. Pacman Cap.
With Lloyd's Mii being missing when most of them should of came back in the base-game, due to Bandi working on Smash as a whole, unless they decided to make a deal around E3, again, with making a playable Namco character, and Lloyd is by far the most requested Namco fighter.

Also with Lloyd and Yuri being heard, and now just, flat out Lloyd, I feel like they made their choice.

Fighter 10 - Waluigi (Other: Ring Fit Adventurer, Hayabusa, Master Chief) December 2020 reveal
Mii Costumes: Ring Fit Adventurer, Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude, Goomba Cap, Hat Kid)
Yep, the WAH himself, I would put Waluigi near the start but there are a bunch of other characters I feel like are more so near the start of the pass.
I'll like to quote from Sakurai's last column about Fighter's Pass V.2.
https://nintendoeverything.com/saku...elections-his-role-future-of-the-series-more/
"Extravagant additions", what this could mean in this context "lacking restraint in spending money or using resources", or "exceeding what is reasonable or appropriate; absurd."
I'll say the second context is more likely, and a A.T. upgrade has always been "out the window", and with Sakurai having less and less budget, as proven, so it's unlikely they'll try to go for a big-time deal like with Sora and Disney.
I'll say with the context of the quote "Extravagant additions"

It really seems like they are going to finish up some last minute, long awaited fan-requests.
Waluigi, Geno, and Lloyd fit this bill almost PERFECTLY.

Fighter 11 - Master Chief (Other: Waluigi, Steve, Geno, Ring Fit Adventurer) E3 2021 reveal
Mii Costumes: Spartan, Conker, Steve, Creeper, Ori
The Spartan himself, Master Chief, I feel like they are seriously going to end this game with a bang, and what better bang to end with then with the Mario, of Microsoft, their old foe that now is buddy-buddy.
I'll say with Fatman saying the last character was recently negotiated, and the fact Doug (president of Nintendo of America), and Phil Spencer (executive vice-president of Microsoft), being both in Japan at the same time

There was a problem fetching the tweet

, and MCC (Master Chief Collection), being rumored for Switch for a long while now, I feel like Master Chief Collection will finally come out around November 2020 - February 2021, and that'll be perfect timing for Chief's inclusion, and being revealed around E3 2021


ADDITIONAL CONTENT
Minecraft Stage (After Chief) - 1.99
I believe we're going to get Minecraft content no matter what, I feel like a Minecraft stage coming after FPV2, would make a lot of sense, especially if Master Chief is CP11
Boss Rush Mode Added.
Break The Targets Mode Added.
Balloon Fighter - Fighter 12. - 4.99
One last Iwata Tribute that is not only requested, but is a really good way to represent Iwata. I know Smash Ultimate is already the Iwata tribute, but having one last character at the end, would be perfect.

After that, Ultimate is fully done, Spirit events and torny's will likely be held afterwards, if not a FPV3 with 4 more characters.

Funny thing is, I didn't even see that these were Fatman's predictions, just in a different order, which is funny as when I made this I didn't even think of that.

I'm a simple man. I see Geno, Waluigi, and Balloon Fighter extra and I give this a 10/10.

 

[Paraspikey]

I seriously don't understand this thought that "Nintendo doesn't care about [X]", or "They would pick somebody that would benefit them more!", or, last but not least "They're waiting till the next Smash to include more fan-requests."
1. How the **** do you even know what Nintendo is and is no willing to include? Why the hell would they even care about Joker, or Banjo and Kazooie? 1 with a character from a series that mainly isn't on their consoles anymore and Banjo and Kazooie was legit bought by their old competitor who hasn't even made a stomp since the GBA, and haven't made a good stomp since the N64. It's insane to be this bad to the point where the Smash community is resulting to using "Nintendo doesn't care", as a serious argument point.
2. Wouldn't Steve be 10x more beneficial for them as a whole from a business stand-point? Biggest game of all time in Smash would surely make headlines, and would massively appeal to the mainstream, would it not? Doesn't them picking Banjo before stuff prove that they don't really give a care in the world about what appeals to the mainstream and what doesn't? I feel like they are seriously trying to appeal to the fans this game as, we got ****ing Banjo and Kazooie.
3. This argument is broken, they aren't waiting to include anybody when we have 6 more fighters right there, and they've even said they aren't going to plan the next Smash game for awhile and they aren't even thinking about it, and this passes goal is to "please the fans", and to "make upset fans happy."

All of these arguments are flawed in major ways I feel like I don't even need to explain.
One other argument I'll like to discuss is this "With DLC, they aren't going to include characters already in the game."
This "concept" of a "rule" was broken when legit the first DLC fighter, ever, was announced, being Mewtwo, and even if you use the argument "Well that's a old game!" even tho ultimate's base and sm4sh dlc was being planned/made around the same time, Piranha Plant is already a stage cameo in the stage "Mushroom Kingdom", and even if you STILL use the argument "Well that was a bonus!", even tho there is hard evidence that some "bonuses" were planned but they said "**** it" and made another pass, Joker is in a spirit, in his spirit bored.

These "arguments" are broken, and now with Luma being proven to be a duo and a spirit, and with Chrom being in legit in somebody else's final smash.
Who gives a **** about "rules" anymore?
Like seriously? If many people, insiders even, saying there aren't any rules, then there aren't Any Rules.

 

[Dorayaki]

So since I've been getting heavy into speculation post-Byleth, I've been thinking on my thoughts from back then and I've changed them a decent bit...
Waluigi I could see, the others I just... idk, I just can't. Crash seems so much more like an E3 reveal, as in "he's too big to start off FP2". Waluigi, and Geno while I'm at it, would be an AT/Spirit (respectively) promotion, breaking the AT/Spirit deconfirm thing, and doing it early sparks more speculation (i.e., even more free advertising as it can spill over into stuff like Twitter). Don't get me wrong though, Geno and Waluigi are definitely big picks, but Crash just seems more big worldwide (especially in Europe where they didn't have SMRPG until the virtual console, so hardly anyone there gives a rat's ass about Geno). Waluigi, while wanted, is definitely more or a meme pick. Still very much wanted in the US, but idk about the rest of the world.

Dante and Hayabusa... eh. Kind of lukewarm starter picks if you ask me. You want that "wow" factor to start off (especially after Byleth!!!) without being *too* "wow" (like Crash) and dumping everything early (like the directs pre-launch did). Dante, maaaaaaybe? Slightly better than Hayabusa who, if he is getting in, would likely be a Q3 2020 or Q1 2021 reveal (as in a way less important slot). He'd be the most "okayest" DLC.

Just my two cents on this. If it's not Geno or Waluigi, then yeah I guess it'd have to be a lukewarm start or blowing Crash early. Best case scenario IMO would be Geno for 6, Crash for 7 and MC for 8, 7 and 8 both being revealed at E3, if they really wanted to go ape right away. MC could also be an advertisement for the newest Halo game coming out (which would likely mean cheaper costs to Nintendo; who knows who would pay who at that point?) supposedly at the end of the year? (idk I don't follow Xbox stuff)

That said though, assuming Geno/Crash/MC all revealed in that order up til E3, Lloyd or Dante would be good Q3 2020/Q1 2021 picks for sure, though then idk what they'd do for E3 next year. Ending on Waluigi would make the Internet blow up, but hey, if they can end on an awful last pick for FP1 like Byleth, I could see Waluigi ending off FP2 at E3.

It's really weird for you to even mention advertising and Byleth being the main reason for Waluigi and Geno's inclusion, since Byleth was meant to be an advertising pick, if so we're supposed to have any Mario game that focuses on Waluig and Geno for the exactly same purpose. Otherwise, totally based on the advertising theory, King Boo and Hellen would be the next Mario fighter as the most recent released Mario main platformer is LM3.

I mean, as a fan I'd really like to see Geno being a featured character in a mainstream Mario platformer. But this isn't the reality we're in, so what we can do is support, and only hope that NIntendo do see our support. Just it's weird to skip the phase and assume that Geno is already there along with other advertising-oriented picks.

And considering it's Geno thread it's clearly that any other Mario character is his rival in any occasion when a new slot is open for Mario franchise. We support Geno, but still we cannot tell whether he or Waluigi is definitely the next chosen Mario fighter as long as there are still many other unused Mario characters, and as a fact Nintendo has chosen nine other Mario fighters over the two. And still, with already a Mario fighter in DLCs, counting on further DLCs to focus on Mario is a different topic in the end.

Also, rather than blowing up the internet, it'd be much more efficient to just put the wanted characters in the base game and save money for another popular character in the FP. I don't think Nintendo want to blow up themselves with wasting money since that doesn't even sound wise.

These "arguments" are broken, and now with Luma being proven to be a duo and a spirit, and with Chrom being in legit in somebody else's final smash.
Who gives a **** about "rules" anymore?
Like seriously? If many people, insiders even, saying there aren't any rules, then there aren't Any Rules.

My opinion is that without rules, we'd never knew if the chance eventually goes to our wanted character, or it's just randomly anyone else that we never expected or forsaw. What we exactly need is an outcome that actually benefits us or the characters we support. In the case of Geno, it's especially difficult to tell how the no-rules thoery benefits him in the end of day. I don't believe in rules, just I wouldn't think the whole rule and no-rule debate is meaningful.

 

[Antho]

It's really weird for you to even mention advertising and Byleth being the main reason for Waluigi and Geno's inclusion, since Byleth was meant to be an advertising pick, if so we're supposed to have any Mario game that focuses on Waluig and Geno for the exactly same purpose. Otherwise, totally based on the advertising theory, King Boo and Hellen would be the next Mario fighter as the most recent released Mario main platformer is LM3.

I mean, as a fan I'd really like to see Geno being a featured character in a mainstream Mario platformer. But this isn't the reality we're in, so what we can do is support, and only hope that NIntendo do see our support. Just it's weird to skip the phase and assume that Geno is already there along with other advertising-oriented picks.

And considering it's Geno thread it's clearly that any other Mario character is his rival in any occasion when a new slot is open for Mario franchise. We support Geno here only because we like him. But we're not saying that he or Waluigi is definitely the next chosen Mario fighter as long as there are still many other unused Mario characters, and as a fact Nintendo has chosen nine other Mario fighters over the two.

Also, rather than blowing up the internet, it'd be much more efficient to just put the wanted characters in the base game and save money for another popualr character in the FP. Wasting money on making Waluigi assist is definitely not wise in the eye of decision making.

I don’t think Geno or Waluigi would need any game advertising them at all. Both have been wanted for a long time and they’re both very huge requests. I also don’t like people using the “Waluigi won’t get in because he’s still an assist trophy and if they were going to eventually add him as a character he wouldn’t be an assist trophy” argument because I don’t even think Sakurai has that kind of hindsight since the project plan for Ultimate was in 2015 iirc and at most these six DLC characters that we’re going to be getting were chosen after Ultimate was already out last year. I don’t think a lot of time or money was spent on the Waluigi assist trophy anyway, it mostly just got a graphical upgrade. It just seems like another “Geno can’t get in because he’s a spirit and if they wanted him later for DLC he wouldn’t be a spirit!!!” argument.

 

[Dorayaki]

I don’t think Geno or Waluigi would need any game advertising them at all. Both have been wanted for a long time and they’re both very huge requests. I also don’t like people using the “Waluigi won’t get in because he’s still an assist trophy and if they were going to eventually add him as a character he wouldn’t be an assist trophy” argument because I don’t even think Sakurai has that kind of hindsight since the project plan for Ultimate was in 2015 iirc and at most these six DLC characters that we’re going to be getting were chosen after Ultimate was already out last year. I don’t think a lot of time or money was spent on the Waluigi assist trophy anyway, it mostly just got a graphical upgrade. It just seems like another “Geno can’t get in because he’s a spirit and if they wanted him later for DLC he wouldn’t be a spirit!!!” argument.

I'm replying to the point that if the FP is wholy inclined to advertising, then Waluigi and Geno cannot fit in. Of course, we have Banjo so I don't think all DLCs have to be advertisings, just Banjo is a new IP to begin with so it's kinda hard to argue Waluigi and Geno are in the same level.

I don't think it's a matter of hindsight, it's purely that what stops them from making more new contents or go choosing unused characters/IPs if there is still a bluse ocean outside. I think it requires a really big push for them to go with the NPCs promotion (if possible) because in the meanwhile, the unused characters are still quite competitive in the roster competition.

As for requests/popularity comparing to advertising, in the case of Geno (and Waluigi) this is a strange point since they're actually relevant factors. Geno and Waluigi are both known to lack further roles in Mario games. If NIntendo do see their request and demand, putting them in newest Mario titles and advertise them would be a perfect solution in the end. Lacking any spotlight to advertise isn't really a smart way to respond to the huge request.

Like I said, if advertising is still a valid factor, then King Boo would defintiely boost his chance for next Maro fighter. Still we had plant piranah as fighter, and arguably it isn't here for either popularity or advetising (despite it does appear in most Mario games).

 

[TriggerX]

Boy, the lack of considering actual Nintendo patterns is disturbing. Let me just say before I repeat myself yet again that I will laugh ungodly hard with we do get an official Direct next week. Why, you may ask?

Because so many insiders have been saying one thing after another about when it will be, ye they were wrong. I'm just using information that ANYONE can have, and I've been right about a bunch of things, and adding this one on would take the ****ing cake.

Now, what pattern is being ignored here? The pattern of 'Solid Start, Explosive Rising Tension, Weak Climax'.

Smash has followed that pattern since they've started doing reveals in this fashion. Brawl led with Pit, Metaknight and Wario before showing Snake, had Sonic in the middle, and ended with Wolf who wasn't accepted well.

Smash 4 Base led with Villager, exploded with Megaman and dropped a bit until it jumped up again with Little Mac, then finished with Shulk, Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt who were all rather weak.

Smash 4 DLC led with Mewtwo and Lucas, had Ryu and Cloud in the middle, and ended with the dreaded Corrin and Bayonetta combo.

Ultimate Base led off with Inkling and Daisy echo, had Ridley, the Belmonts and King K. Rool in the middle, then ended with Ken, Incineroar and Piranha Plant that many people despised.

Ultimate DLC Vol 1 led with Joker, blew up the internet with Hero and Banjo & Kazooie, then fell off with Terry and mostly with Byleth.

Like I said, they start solid but not crazy, blow their whole load in the middle, then have little left at the end. This would mean that any character that is a big E3-worthy reveal like Crash or Dante or Master Chief or Sora or whathaveyou will not be #6 just based on Nintendo's own pattern, but rather someone like Ryu Hayabusa, Waluigi or Phoenix Wright who are strong solid picks but not as crazy explosive as others. Hell, Geno would fit as #6 as well because despite being a big fan favorite it's not quite the same as getting a competitor's character. Those of you who argue that they will lead strong and stay strong throughout the whole pass have nothing to go on but your gut feeling and hopes.

Some of you argue 'But it's the last DLC, so they HAVE to go crazy!' or 'Byleth was such a letdown that they HAVE to open crazy!' but you forget that both base Ultimate and Vol 1 were both intended to be the last of the content at one point and they still followed the above pattern, and you also forget that Byleth being a letdown doesn't change the pattern of ending weak and then starting off solid. It also assumes that your own desperation for another character won't make any new reveal more acceptable, which I already have proof that it does just based on how you guys act in this thread DAILY as well as some of you outright admitting it AND that Nintendo has done this to you several times already.

Wouldn’t really say that’s an establish pattern and it’s all opinionated if you’re just looking at characters as a strong start or finish.

To say Banjo or Hero “blew up the internet” any more than Joker or Terry is a stretch. Literally the only character that was a mass disappointment was only Byleth for obvious reasons.

Even their overall video views seem to be about the same.

At this point I would just expect about anybody.

Although Statistically, I’m surprised how many people on this thread seem to back Waluigi. If we do get him, I think that would doom Geno’s chances a bit. I just find it unlikely between the 2 dlc cycles we’ll get 3 mario reps.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think Geno's business case needs to be quite that good for him to be included, but I don't think it's good enough with just the Amiibo and a release of SMRPG in the online store. You need something else to make it work. Without that something else, how do you pass on getting Nier: Automata on Switch in exchange for including 2B? How do you pass on getting the Kingdom Hearts collection on Switch in exchange for including Sora?

I'm just not sure what that something else could be.

The only gripe I have with your post I have quoted - if new game on Switch != character in Smash, why does character in Smash == new game on Switch? Games get ported to the Switch all the time, and I think it's unlikely that Smash had anything to do with it. Overwatch immediately comes to mind. I really think most of the time Smash is requested to be an advertisement platform for releases rather than the vehicle by which releases are secured, and fortunately for us, it feels like most of the advertisement has been done through Mii costumes rather than actual fighters this time around. Smash is big, sure, but it's giving it an awful lot of credit to be the negotiating platform to get games. Something I argued in favor of yesterday does sometimes hit Nintendo harder than it needs to: getting ports is hard since games typically need to be entirely redone to work on what is effectively two generation old hardware, and at that point you're relying on the developer wanting to put in the work to lower the bar on their own game just to secure a handful of extra sales.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your argument and it is worth wondering if there's a business case to put Geno in Smash, but outside of the obvious, I think the answer is that there isn't - which I believe is why you were met with "there is no need" more than folks coming up with the kind of potential that we sort of always hope for: some new Mario RPG with our boy in it. You really did get my gears turning in regards to deals for characters not necessarily being for "their game", so I've kind of convinced myself that Geno's business case inclusion has already been satisfied, either with the ports of Final Fantasy 7, 8 and 9, or through the much more thematically appropriate Collection of Mana, what with being a collection of SNES RPGs (with a Gameboy game). It wouldn't surprise me to see more like that, perhaps a Chrono collection that gives the west an opportunity to play Radical Dreamers.

TBH I'm less certain about SwSh with each passing day. I could see it still happening, but man how much BS would it be if they actually went with a starter or one of the new DLC shills? At the very least if we are getting a SwSh rep, I hope they look at the Gen 8 Pokemon of the Year vote and pick one of those instead. Toxtricity, who I've been pushing (IF we get a SwSh rep) was #2, barely losing to Dragapult, and #3 was Corviknight IIRC with like 20% less votes. That said, if FP2 was really about making fans happy like Fatman keeps saying, I doubt they'd go with a SwSh rep. They can easily still shill without needing to do that. Pokemon's been advertised more than enough and honestly they should stop doing it with how controversial Gen 8 is to begin with, plus EVERYONE who cares about it knows Gen 8 is out and exists already. It'd be a total waste of a slot, especially if it's a mon no one gives a crap about.

TBH I'm less certain about Fire Emblem with each passing day. I could see it still happening, but man how much BS would it be if they actually went with a main lord or one of the new Three Houses shills? At the very least if we are getting a Fire Emblem rep, I hope they look at the Fire Emblem Heroes character polls and pick one of those instead. Hector, who I've been pushing (IF we get a Fire Emblem rep) was #3, barely losing to Roy, and #4 was Chrom IIRC and he's already in the game! That said, if the Fighters Pass is really all about attracting new audiences like everyone says, I doubt they'd go with a Fire Emblem rep. They can easily still shill without needing to do that. Fire Emblem's been advertised more than enough and honestly they should stop doing it with how good Three Houses is to begin with, plus EVERYONE who cares about it knows Three Houses is out and exists already. It'd be a total waste of a slot, especially if it's a lord no one gives a crap about.

... Sorry, I just had to.

 

[Paraspikey]

My opinion is that without rules, we'd never knew if the chance eventually goes to our wanted character, or it's just randomly anyone else that we never expected or forsaw. What we exactly need is an outcome that actually benefits us or the characters we support. In the case of Geno, it's especially difficult to tell how the no-rules thoery benefits him in the end of day. I don't believe in rules, just I wouldn't think the whole rule and no-rule debate is meaningful.

While I do agree with this statement, people do treat fan-rules as cold hard fact against a character's inclusion.
And not only with Geno, but with characters overall.

 

[Polarthief]

It's really weird for you to even mention advertising and Byleth being the main reason for Waluigi and Geno's inclusion, since Byleth was meant to be an advertising pick, if so we're supposed to have any Mario game that focuses on Waluig and Geno for the exactly same purpose. Otherwise, totally based on the advertising theory, King Boo and Hellen would be the next Mario fighter as the most recent released Mario main platformer is LM3.

I didn't say anything in regards to Waluigi and advertising. With Geno, it was a very loose connection with SMRPG and the rumored PM3.

I mean, as a fan I'd really like to see Geno being a featured character in a mainstream Mario platformer.

I definitely won't say no to that but it'll never happen.

Just it's weird to skip the phase and assume that Geno is already there along with other advertising-oriented picks.

Again, that was partially in jest, but they could do it *PARTIALLY* to promote PM3. He wouldn't actually be an "advertising pick".

And considering it's Geno thread it's clearly that any other Mario character is his rival in any occasion when a new slot is open for Mario franchise.

I don't actually agree with that. While Geno's third party, other Mario characters (like Waluigi) isn't. Getting 2 characters from the same third party company for an FP is what's unlikely.

Also, rather than blowing up the internet, it'd be much more efficient to just put the wanted characters in the base game and save money for another popular character in the FP. I don't think Nintendo want to blow up themselves with wasting money since that doesn't even sound wise.

I don't disagree, but Waluigi was put in as an AT. That's Nintendo messing up royally, and the Internet backlashed hard at that.

... Sorry, I just had to.

Lol totally fair. Idk though, maybe Nintendo will realize the controversies of Gen 8 and not want to push it in our face yet again. Not everyone knows of Fire Emblem in the west, but *everyone* knows about Pokemon.

 

[OffBi]

If you look at the mii costume end card

There are 5 costumes missing to create a square
2 hero's
and the rest three

 

[Deleted member]

View attachment 264911
There are 5 costumes missing to create a square
2 hero's
and the rest three

Huh? If there were 5 more costumes it would be a rectangle.

 

[Firox]

Man, Big Brain Woomy flies directly into a jet engine and now Hyper-Capitalist Woomy burns to death. Why does every character I make to parody detractors seemingly die immediately? lol

Wishful thinking?

 

[Dorayaki]

I didn't say anything in regards to Waluigi and advertising. With Geno, it was a very loose connection with SMRPG and the rumored PM3. Again, that was partially in jest, but they could do it *PARTIALLY* to promote PM3. He wouldn't actually be an "advertising pick".

I don't actually agree with that. While Geno's third party, other Mario characters (like Waluigi) isn't. Getting 2 characters from the same third party company for an FP is what's unlikely

The main difference between Mario adn FE is still that the latter doesn't have a main cast, while the former has. King Boo is eventually a famouc villain of the franchise.

It's not a new topic but we also know that Mario RPGs tend to be independent titles with different characters and stories, with Fawful being an exception so far. The main way for a character to appear across different games is usually becoming a main cast. So that if Geno appears again, he'd just be a recurring character that represents the entire franchise, not to advertise a new game in the end.

Just we'd never knew when Geno coudl star in another game for NIntendo to advertise. It's safer to assume that NIntendo want to advertise the games that have already been done and released.

And I don't think there is need to remind that Smash bros classifies characters by franchises, not companies. Geno still needs to compete with other Mario characters, unless he builds his own franchsie.

 

[MattX20]

Since Paraspikey posted his earlier, I'll post my own

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Crash Bandicoot: The dude has had a storybook comeback with two powerhouse remakes, with CTR Nitro Fueled doing well enough to rival Mario Kart. Crash is a gaming icon of the 90's, and having him in would complete the rival trio with Mario and Sonic, plus he's a rather popular request

Master Chief: Mr. FPS himself; I don't even need to go into why this dude is an icon of gaming history. Of course his inclusion all hinges on whether Microsoft will double-dip and get two reps in Smash. Also there was the matter of way back when, Dead or Alive asked for Chief as a cameo and they were denied because they felt Chief appearing in a random crossover would ruin the integrity of his story.

But that was a long time ago, and Smash Bros is basically gaming Hall of Fame at this point; plus it could be argued Banjo got in as part of a larger deal "Okay, you can have Banjo but we also get Master Chief in there down the line"

Sora: Yes, yes, you can scream all you want about Disney being an evil monopoly and how they'll take over the world and how they're too protective to ever let Nintendo get their hands on him and yadda yadda yadda. But Disney has been surprisingly cool with game developers; they've loaned out Wreck-It Ralph to be in Sonic All Stars Racing, They've let Fortnite have a field day with Marvel and Star Wars, They've made Mickey-branded Nintendo Switches and so on and so on

Kingdom Hearts has actually a very LONG history of being on Nintendo consoles, before they were all streamlined into all-in-one-packages, all throughout the past two decades the series has had every other game be on Nintendo handhelds: The GBA, the DS, the 3DS... Plus, Sakurai and Nomura are good buddies; Nomura would hardly say no to having his passion project showcased, and despite what you might think: Kingdom Hearts has PLENTY of non-Disney content to have it stand on its own

Sora is a humongous request and could easily be the big "Holy S*** they got HIM!?" pick right along with Chief. We all thought Banjo-Kazooie was impossible, but the impossible happened. People say Sora is impossible... but who knows?

Morrigan: When it comes to Capcom in Smash, everybody jumps straight to Phoenix Wright and Dante; and for good reason. But if there is one character who always shows up for the crossovers its Morrigan. She's the mascot of Darkstalkers behind Felica; and could bring a whole variety of moves to the table.

Of course, there's the matter of her being a very fanservice heavy character and the fact that Mai couldn't even appear as a cameo in Smash because of that factor, but Bayonetta is still able to make her clothing vanish a bit for her abilities; surely they could work something out for Morrigan to make her appropriate "for good girls and boys"

Geno: Ahhh, the puppet boi himself. Truly it seems like its his time to shine for reasons people have mentioned in this thread over and over again. The last of the big long-running requests that have gone on since Melee and Brawl and a pick straight for the dedicated fanbase.

I feel as though this is Geno's "Now or Never" moment, if not here then I'm uncertain for the future. But if this is truly to be the Ultimate Smash Bros, we have to get our puppet boi in

Cinderace: At last we come to the dreaded "Shill Pick", of course Nintendo is going to want to promote Pokemon some more since the DLC is going to keep the game alive for another year at least; and despite it's controversy Sword and Shield WILL be a tentpole title for the Switch for years to come.

When it comes to a SwSh rep in Smash, everyone roots for Rillaboom so we can have a grass starter to balance things out. But let's be real... it would absolutely be Cinderace: Scorbunny is the star of the new anime series, he would be an angile, fast fighter that could match Captain Falcon or Shiek, and overall it just makes too much sense.

I firmly believe a Pokemon rep is inevitable, it's the one thing in this list I would actually put money on. If we got Byleth, we're getting Pokemon, and it's going to be Cinderace

Morrigan wears more clothes than Mai does, and the only thing that might be toned down is her cleavage. Apart from that, she could totally work in Smash. My main issue regarding any Sword/Shield reps is the recent spirit event, given that those spirits were fairly major ones you'd want for a spirit board. Still, the picks make sense, Morrigan also even if she's toned down like Bayo was.

 

[Icewolff92]

I don’t think Geno or Waluigi would need any game advertising them at all. Both have been wanted for a long time and they’re both very huge requests. I also don’t like people using the “Waluigi won’t get in because he’s still an assist trophy and if they were going to eventually add him as a character he wouldn’t be an assist trophy” argument because I don’t even think Sakurai has that kind of hindsight since the project plan for Ultimate was in 2015 iirc and at most these six DLC characters that we’re going to be getting were chosen after Ultimate was already out last year. I don’t think a lot of time or money was spent on the Waluigi assist trophy anyway, it mostly just got a graphical upgrade. It just seems like another “Geno can’t get in because he’s a spirit and if they wanted him later for DLC he wouldn’t be a spirit!!!” argument.

If Waluigi were supposed to be a dlc fighter decided prior to the release within the timeframe Fatman claims, Sakurai could just easily removed him from the game before E3 and his AT reveal.

 

[Firox]

Morrigan wears more clothes than Mai does, and the only thing that might be toned down is her cleavage. Apart from that, she could totally work in Smash. My main issue regarding any Sword/Shield reps is the recent spirit event, given that those spirits were fairly major ones you'd want for a spirit board. Still, the picks make sense, Morrigan also even if she's toned down like Bayo was.

My contention with Morrigan is that I feel she's a little samey with Bayo. They're both edgy "hot chicks" with a bat motif. Granted, they could play very differently and I won't deny that Morrigan's chances are probably about as good as anyone else's, but I personally just don't think she's Nintendo/Sakurai's style. One could even argue that the only reason Bayo got in was because of the official Smash ballot. At least that's what Sakurai claimed. I haven't seen Morrigan anywhere on ANY of the online ballots so general fan demand wouldn't have any bearing on her inclusion.

 

[Heoj]

Personally i just dont really see waluigi happening, plus im in the camp that i think waluigi getting in would doom genos chances