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wasnt that just Issac people? what do we sora fans have to do with an earthquake? why bring us into their issue?
Because the reveal of Sora coming to Smash would certainly be... earth-shattering.
You could objectively say that Waluigi is more popular than Isaac NOW, but virtually all of the online ballots during the Sm4sh era had Isaac in the top 5 with Waluigi rarely breaking top 10. Objectively speaking, I'm not wrong that Isaac DID have a sizeable fanbase, and to be honest, I think he still does however most of them have gone silent since his repeated AT status and Nintendo's morbid neglect of his franchise have kind of broken them.
Firstly, I'm not denying that Waluigi has a very *ahem* adamant fanbase and getting in Smash could very well elevate his status within the Mario Franchise, however your last point is just flat out wrong for all the reasons I stated in my previous post. Isaac is popular for his FRANCHISE while Waluigi is popular as a CHARACTER. Isaac's inclusion and subsequent revival of Golden Sun could potentially spark significant profits/public visibility in the same way Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem took off after Smash revived/boosted them. Geno/SMRPG have the same potential advantages going for them. Waluigi on the other hand, as I said, would not really bring anything financially significant to the Mario franchise itself. He isn't a make-or-break sell point for any of the Mario-spin offs and I don't see Nintendo giving him his own stand-alone franchise, hence, Waluigi's inclusion, unlike Isaac's, would be purely incurred by fan demand.
Man people thought is was Isaac because the direct was delayed and he was a highly requested character in a game that looked like it was giving the fans the characters they were asking for and he uses a lot of Earthquakes and earth-related moves in his kit. It wasn't a stretch nor was it evil. It was reasonable speculation. Nobody from either fanbase was cheering at Japan's tragedy or causing problems. Everyone wanted Japan to be ok. The real problem was people being angry at Nintendo for delaying the direct which had nothing to do with Isaac or Sora or anyone else. I personally didn't think they'd delay the reveal of the direct just because of the character and thought it was definitely due to the earthquake but really there was nothing wrong with thinking a character whose reveal might be deemed inappropriate at the time of the event could cause an issue. If you want to be embarrassed to be a Smash fan at least be embarrassed of the ones who were actually doing gross stuff at the time.
A handful from the other community showed vocal salt over the lack of said news. Both were tied with the earthquake with equally awful shenanigans with Isaac's support group making these stretching conspiracies about how they were going to have their character revealed while the ladder was mostly making a mockery of it with these memes. Not exclusively their group but they had the most abundance over it like the whole Harada situation. Both were just extremely insensitive on the matter which is why I am still bitter about it. I should have been a little more specific about it.
While I agree people being angry at the delay is also extremely wrong, I hope you can understand why speculating that Isaac is in the game because a fatal earthquake pushed back a direct is wrong. There are so many other examples I can use to prove my point why it was wrong but I refuse to go off topic any further.
Of course a lot of people would be invested in Isaac and a new Golden Sun game if he got in, I'm not denying that fact. But even though Waluigi has only been a spin off Mario character throughout his entire gaming career, he is definitely more recognizable than more than half of characters in the roster in Smash to the majority of the common norm. Most of Isaac or Golden Sun's fans are mainly in the hardcore Nintendo community. Waluigi would sell like hotcakes whether you want to believe it or not.
cant say I remeber seeinh anyone in the sora fanbase say the earthquake was the reason for that, only saw Issac fans saying that
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Agreed to disagree then concidering this goes nowhere.
For sure. As someone who actively *doesn't* want Sora, even I would acknowledge he'd likely be the biggest character to come since Snake in Brawl, but probably the biggest *ever*.Because the reveal of Sora coming to Smash would certainly be... earth-shattering.
I agree that Waluigi is more recognizable, I'm just not sure in what way he would sell "like hotcakes". As in a Smash fighter? Oh yeah, I could see that. I don't deny that he'd rake some dough. But as a cash cow in general? Not so much. Isaac's inclusion, I feel, would have a larger scale fiscal advantage for Nintendo beyond Smash. That's what I'm trying to say.
As much of a jaw dropping show stopper Sora would be, him or no one else will ever topple Sonic.
I think the greatest jaw droppers in Smash thus far were
. Each of them was absolutely legendary in their own right and (with the exception of B-K) totally unexpected. Can't wait to see Geno join the club....
Don't forgetI think the greatest jaw droppers in Smash thus far were
and either. A lot of people myself included waited for their inclusion since Melee so it was HUGE when they finally got in.
True, true. Funny thing about Sonic; when he was revealed I literally jumped around like a crazy person, I was so hyped. I swore that I would main him day 1......unfortunately, after MUCH training, I concluded that we were just incompatible. I still think he's awesome though and I really hope to one day see more Sonic characters added in the future. (C'MON KNUCKLES OR TAILS!)Don't forget
I would love to see Knuckles and Eggman get in some day. Hell there is a lot of additional 3rd party reps for franchises already in Smash I want to see make it in someday.
Geno getting in would be a victory in its own right and, looking at the history of the Smash series, would probably be most comparable to Pit or K. Rool: a character that had no real future until fans banded together to request them back. As you said, he's one of the few characters that has largely been pushed by a grassroots fan movement despite lack of modern appearances.
I remember when Pit was announced my college roommate and I were the ONLY ones who actually knew who he was and played Kid Icarus before. Everyone else was confused. They all later bought Kid Icarus Uprising and loved it. Good feeling to see that much life breathed back into a series after so long.
Seriously. Kid Icarus Uprising was a freaking masterpiece. They REALLY need to make more.
Strong disagree. Yoko Taro's games have always had a strong sexual theme, and the designs of the YoRHa units had a significant maiden design based on the sexual visions of the humans that came before them.
I was that way with the Ice Climbers in my middle school. I was so proud of that.
but I wouldn't mind seeing the Mario RPG series get represented as a playable character. Considering Geno has the most realized move set ever, it seems like it would be a perfect scenario.
I'm not sure what you mean by "most realized moveset ever", but that just sounds off/wrong to me no matter how I interpret it.
I feel like much like Ryu or Terry Bogard, his move set is pretty much easy to piece together.
"Okay here me out...instead of fawful, we make Peach Golden."
Intern: ".....but...what if we just come up with an original character instead? You know, like, something BESIDES a reskinned clone of another character?"
My guess? Miyamoto probably created next to none of the spinoff characters.
Great, now we know everytime the wind blows in Mario’s world it’s cuz mallow farted...
Thank you so much...now have this geno & mallow drawing i posted everywhere except here.
He didn't create Wario either yet we still get him nor Waluigi. It seems like they are just reluctant to go into the expanded Mario Universe. Like Fawful, Paper Mario, Ashley, Mona, and any other actual characters would way cooler than another baby character. Hell they don't even do the obvious clone character in Doc Mario like it makes no sense how they pick characters.
A lot of it has to do with whether the original character creators are cool with it or if they're even contacted. Contrary to popular belief, companies can't do whatever they want with their characters and companies are pretty careful with the "image" certain characters uphold. For example, unless there's a major change in leadership at Nintendo, we're probably never going to see Mario characters in M rated games.
I don't know about that - I'd say he's closer to K. Rool or Cloud in terms of potential moves, where his specials are generally obvious but his basic moves either require some stretching or might need to be made up. (unless there are Final Fantasy spin-offs that I'm not aware of where Cloud's various slashing animations were taken from) Characters like Ryu, Terry, or Bayonetta have their entire movesets (basic attacks, specials, throws - everything) taken from their source material with only minor changes needed, and the developers made an entire Smash moveset with tons of material left over (especially in Bayonetta's case, given the roughly two dozen weapons that went unused).
when I read this comment I instantly thought about that leak from a year ago about a proposed Mario wrestling/volleyball game and how it was decidedly not family-friendly with a lot of extreme cartoon violence..
You make a good point. I guess when it comes to specials, that is what I am thinking. The reference to his move set is there as opposed to his entire move set.
I mean, would people actually WANT Mario characters in an M-rated game? I could see it now...
I know but this is the main reason why I think things like "Super Smash Kart" are ideas that are dead on arrival. Nintendo probably isn't cool with the idea of Samus or Ganondorf, for example, being in a kart racer.
Why though? There's already cartoon violence in Smash bros and Mario Kart. What's a little more? You could even have karts shaped like Samus' gunship or feature more of the cars from F-Zero. I can't think of a single character in Smash that would make Mario Kart too "mature" to play. It's not like they'd have topless Bayo driving around or anything. If they want, they could even use cartoonier versions of people like Ganondorf and use the Windwaker version or something.