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Then why did you say this:
You made it sound like you didn't like Soul Calibur either.
Fatmanonice
and the whole Sabi server and myself probably went off with the Namco rep inclusion because logically guessing who else seems to be impossible right now. Another Namco rep seems likely because because there is evidence backing it up.
Apologies for my ignorance, who's Gil? Thanks!
Right now people are going on the assumption that ANY character we heard recently is going to happen in the next wave of DLC. "Oh Ryu Hayabusa isn't going to be the 5th but next wave it's going to happen. Oh Crash got deconfirmed but he's shaping to be the next wave DLC because that one troll leaker who got Mii Costumes right said it. Oh Dante got deconfirmed BUT HE'S TOTALLY GOING TO BE DLC NEXT WAVE. Oh looks like Doomguy ain't the fifth fighter but... Oh Sol Badguy isn't the fifth... Nightmare... Lloyd is totally gonna be the fifth cause people heard of him. ALL OF THESE CHARACTERS THAT LEAKERS HAVE HEARD ARE SO IN THE RUNNING FOR THE NEXT COMING OF DLC!!!!"
Sol as in Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear. The three characters that Fatmanonice mentioned were Nightmare, Lloyd, and Sol Badguy. I should've said the full name.
Gilgamesh from Tower of Druaga. It's a pretty obscure game, and by my understanding, it's a rather frustrating one. From what I've read, it helped to encourage a greater sense of community in arcades (with players using what they learned through their attempts to give other players advice), though a lot of it seemed to involve things that nobody could possibly figure out except through trial-and-error or blind luck.
I don’t think that is why.
Gotta say, siding with you on this one. Aside from Hero all of the DLC were under lock and key until either a week or so before the announcement or Nintendo leaking them themselves. Literally no one to my knowledge knew of Joker before the VGA 2018. Only leak I'm somewhat paying attention to is the Mii Costume leak as I don't think the ability to mod costumes in the game outright kills it, and I'm not believing in most of these other characters until I see them in action.
First I wanna say that Nightmare has some of the most metal attack names I’ve ever heard
I personally dont know what they would decide to put in sora's pack. I could see spirits and miis be all around OG kh characters like riku kairi roxas etc and no actual square stuff.... or they could throw square stuff in the mix. I dont think there is any way to know what will they do if sora ever gets in, unless it leaks of course, but good luck with that since disney is good at keeping secrets mostly lol.quick question forNazyrus or
Would it be like Hero where he wouldn't get any of the returning Square costume? would he get both Chocobo and Geno? Or even possibly just Chocobo (since KH is a FF/Disney crossover) and no Geno?
I agree, I think the "stance change" conspect might be a little too technical for Smash. But boi would I take it.
Thanks! I never heard of this character at all, much appreciated.
Shulk is basically a stance change character and Pokemon Trainer takes the concept to its logical extreme.
That's the gambit. Like I said, I got permission to share these names so people with actual skin in the game are fairly confident that the names getting out won't get anyone in trouble, at least if the sources are kept a secret too. For example, I knew Banjo in early April and heavily hinted at it but nobody got in trouble because, as promised, the identities of the Microsoft informants were kept secret.
True, but Nightmare comes from a technical fighting game so it would be harder to implement Nightmare's stance properly without butchering it to give it justice. Technical fighting game movesets is the reason we didn't get Heihachi already as he was planned for Smash 4's DLC lineup, but Sakurai didn't add him due to how hard it would be to implement his moveset from Tekken properly over to Smash.
The Mii Costume thing honestly far, far more points to a post-pass Lloyd than him as #5.
I think the same thing could be said about someone banking on FP5 to be a Capcom rep, Doom Slayer, Hayabusa, Crash, or any other character everyone brings up more then ten times a day.
I can't answer dead on questions like that but the names we've shared are kind of par the course for the rest: very few females, no indies, very few Western characters, and overwhelmingly third party. Crash had been heard and Banjo's already in. I think there's a decent chance for one more at this time but I'm warning people in advance not to expect a ton.
Ryu, Ken, and Terry are all from fighting games with more attack buttons than Smash can imagine, and despite Sakurai admitting that KoF has light and heavy punch and kick, Terry didn't come with the Light/Heavy variations that Ryu and Ken have even though they have light, medium, and heavy in their home games. The gimmick is the input moves and for Terry, the gimmick is the desperation moves. If Nightmare's gimmick is gonna be a stance change, it can be assigned to one button and be done "justice". I mean, for as much as I go on about how Sakurai's been trying to be more true to the home game of characters that get added nowadays, Joker's pretty far from that concept, yet still does the Persona series justice as being a regular anime schoolboy who happens to have a stand.
Joker is on the screen, steals from more characters, poses "Looking cool, Joker!"
papagenos
had to post something to clarify, but I digress...
Fatmanonice
has been saying...I am now SO VERY CLOSE TO GOING FULL TEAM LLOYD IT HURTS! I say this because Reggie's words at last years VGAs have so far rung true and it would lead me to believe that we would get Nightmare, but getting another fighting game character after Terry seems like a bit much and Tekken would be the choice to pull from but we all know that even with a the option for two side-B moves Tekken is way to complicated to implement in Smash. Smash players are already wracking their brains to do a simple double fireball motion, so there is no way Tekken could come into play. You may say we've gotten two JRPG characters, but there is a difference here because JRPG characters are actually requested where as fighting game characters really are not.If you put it that way, as long as Geno makes it in I'll be happy and satisfied with this game. I'll especially be happy for you Fatman.
Ok.... but here is the question that I have.
Yeah Shulk is pretty much the extent of a stance change character I’d expect for a single character, since Pokemon Trainer is treated as three characters. The video suggested that Nightmare would have FIVE additional stances and that all of them would change his standard, dash, and tilt attacks, meaning he’d essentially have 25 more attacks than the average character which is why I said it seemed a little more complicated than I’d expect.
I read that entire thing in Kokichi's voice. Funny enough this is the kind of stuff he would say. I'm assuming you are a Danganronpa fan? If so, nice to meet you. There doesn't seem to be too many of us on here.
I indeed am. In fact, Monokuma is definitley my most wanted, and I’d say it is a good sign that he has survived the deconfimation wave up to this point.
I just said that there was high confidence that they weren't. Of the four "new" names that came out yesterday, Dante is the only one that's been strongly accused of this. Not proven. Accused. Big difference. He's considered fishy but not necessarily false because there's not enough evidence to totally disregard him. On this topic, we've probably have heard a good two dozen names in the past year but the other 14 have either been hard deconfirmed or have strong evidence of being leakbait/total bull**** like Million Arthur and Steve. That said, these 10 passed the first round of screening in that they're realistic in what we've heard.
I think you are super-imposing that they are more likely leakbait than they actually are. Fatman is saying that it's entirely possible the names could be leakbait but he's confident enough in what has been said and heard that they are wroth sharing, both due to possibly being something realizable and also not setting anyone up on the chopping block.
Fatmanonice
can take care of his own business, I should have left it alone.
Pokemon Trainer might be treated as three separate characters and numbered as such, but I feel like a mastery of using all three of them is the intent, or else they would have just been brought back as properly balanced individuals. Hero has what, 21 more specials than the average character? A character who has 25 more normals than the average character isn't such a stretch anymore. But hey, I was hoping for a dream moveset Isaac/Felix to have 12 different specials before Hero even came out and set it as a reality so maybe I'm just way more open to the idea.
Sort of half piggybacking on nessdeltarune00's second point from a few posts of theirs earlier, given yesterday's events and your own speculation train of thought, how likely in your current view is #5 to be an undiscussed unknown?
I'm going to post the evidence for Lloyd later today hopefully. Obviously it's not going to be as in-depth as Geno's analysis but I want get it out that,if he's not 5, he's probably 6 or 7.
How does Geno compared to all the names you've heard so far. If you were to personally rank them, where would Geno fare?
I'm pretty much considering Banjo and Geno to be first party at this point.
That’s a fair point about Hero, put that way it doesn’t seem as much of a stretch.
