Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Klimax]

Geno is in there. we are not ending on 69. Sakurai has been focusing on rounded numbers. Geno is number 70 I'm calling it now.

I really think that you're right.

 

[Dan]

If Geno is DLC, I hope he'll at least be announced in the final trailer a la Mewtwo.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If Geno is announced as the first DLC, I hope he actually gets a trailer and not just a shot of his model like Mewtwo

Or at least a trailer when he's released

 

[Mr Gentleman]

Er, since when?

The big tell for me was "if you don't count fd, battlefield, and big battlefield, we have exactly 100"
it felt like a really out of place comment. than there was things like the roughly 900 music tracks.

 

[StormC]

The big tell for me was "if you don't count fd, battlefield, and big battlefield, we have exactly 100"
it felt like a really out of place comment. than there was things like the roughly 900 music tracks.

I mean, the final count for Smash 4's base roster was 51. I don't think he cares that much, at least for the roster.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Inceniroar isn't random though. It's a prominent Pokemon in the latest generation in both the games and anime and a new Pokemon rep in each game has been the most reliable pattern in the entirety of the Smash franchise. I can understand if you don't want it but let's be honest about how it's not out of the blue.

 

[Mr Gentleman]

it is very likely when Sakurai got the rights to put Cloud and the mii geno in smash 4 he also got the rights for both characters for ultimate. and you don't go through all that trouble for Geno just to plan to make him DLC when you are working on the base game. when you have been wanting to put him in for a long time and know he is very popular and important to your fanbase

I mean, the final count for Smash 4's base roster was 51. I don't think he cares that much, at least for the roster.

well yeah I'm just talking about this time I was noticing a strange pattern. could be nothing but the other info is what really makes me thing Geno is still in there

I'm just not willing to throw out the huge amount of data we have working in Geno's favor over one box. if nothing else Geno may have been the last minute finished character.
Vergeben who is probably one of the most reliable leakers we have. being VERY careful to double and triple check all of his info. is still saying there is 3 characters left. and one of them is square. even hinted at it being Geno with the "The one you know of" comment. I think what we could see happening is october we get a Incineroar, Ken reveal. and then november as one last moment of hype we show off Geno.

also there has been a very clear pattern of if an assist trophy (or character missing from another spot like a final smash) from smash 4 is missing and we suddenly get another assist that would replace them that character ends up getting in. so it's even possible that we are getting Shadow and Skull kid also.

 

[Pryze]

As the number of available slots start to slim, it's incredibly entertaining to watch people turn every lick of information into hints from soccer guy

"look at the numbers. THE NUMBERS SAY GENO"

"did you guys see Isaac's head in the clouds??"

"Those chairs match skull kid's color palette, i swear'"

"look at how dk is sitting in front of the tv, this HAS to confirm karate joe!"

that being said, i dont think it's coincidence that sakurai had a suspiciously blue and orange book in the background of the smash direct. hmmm

 

[Mr Gentleman]

Furthermore. why is everyone acting like if there is only one character left that it has to be incineroar?
Vergeben has been sure about both him AND the square character! so for all we know he could be wrong about incineroar (or if you're right about there being DLC maybe HE is the DLC!) and Geno is the actual last character! heck it's known as a fact that Sakurai is using the ballot to pick characters for this game! and who do you think would have been higher on the ballot? Incineroar or Geno? because my money is on Geno! people didn't even like incineroar when he was revealed! everyone prefers decidueye!

 

[Dan]

Inceniroar isn't random though. It's a prominent Pokemon in the latest generation in both the games and anime and a new Pokemon rep in each game has been the most reliable pattern in the entirety of the Smash franchise. I can understand if you don't want it but let's be honest about how it's not out of the blue.

Fair enough, but it's not like Isaac, Geno, Bandana Dee, Dixie, Banjo, etc. No one has been exactly begging for Isabelle or Incineroar, so it's like what I said earlier: if you're gonna do the ballot, why not double-down on it.

 

[kingkalamari]

None of Verg's comments seemed definite to me. He said there's at least Incineroar/Ken in base game, At least SE rep in game, DLC is coming and unsure if box theory is legit. I think 80 will be the final number for characters, as while Verg has been correct with everything he's stated, he's also not known about things like K Rool and all the echoes revealed. At bare minimum i think we will see the same amount of reveals we had in the last smash direct before the game comes out, and probably DLC reveals (I would also guess DLC this time around will be one newcomer, one echo)

 

[Dan]

I think DLC will be a lot more than one newcomer and one Echo, and I don't think the fact Verge didn't know about K. Rool hurts his credibility. Is he supposed to know about everything in the game?

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

I think DLC will be a lot more than one newcomer and one Echo, and I don't think the fact Verge didn't know about K. Rool hurts his credibility. Is he supposed to know about everything in the game?

It's not that it hurts his credibility so much as it just means he doesn't know everything. Meaning there could be more characters even if he says there's only two.

 

[mynameisBlade]

I'm assuming there are one or two more fighters besides Incenaroar and Ken. Verg had no clue K. Rool was in. There is probably one or two characters that nobody (leakers) knows about.

 

[TBone06]

Fair enough, but it's not like Isaac, Geno, Bandana Dee, Dixie, Banjo, etc. No one has been exactly begging for Isabelle or Incineroar, so it's like what I said earlier: if you're gonna do the ballot, why not double-down on it.

While I do agree that people weren't clamoring about Isabelle or Incineroar, I think you still do have to cater to some of the newer fans as well. I have zero ties to either character, but I can see a new Pokemon reveal making sense. I also think that Isabelle is an extremely popular character in Nintendo as a whole. Like I said, I have zero ties to her, but she makes absolute sense, similar to how Inkling made sense. I would have preferred her to be an echo, but it is what it is. I feel she was a necessary addition though. I agree, there has to be more coming from the ballot.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'll update the supporter list later tonight so if you want to be on it, make sure to like the OP

I haven't had that many days off lately so it's been a little tougher, but I'll make sure to do it tonight

 

[Fatmanonice]

Leaker wise, things are playing out like Smash 4: people knew about the roster including Mewtwo but, aside from the datamine leak, the final three were miraculously kept a complete secret. Having leakers know the first DLC character because they are meant to be revealed in the last pregame Smash Direct wouldn't surprise me.

 

[spoilerowl]

Honestly, one of the biggest points against the box theory is that if Incineroar is the only unique remaining they would end on 69 numbered fighters. I'm only partially joking but I really don't think they'd actually do that.

I still think the safest bet is a repeat of the August Direct, meaning 2 uniques and 3 Echoes (meaning 7 unique and 7 echo newcomers in total). If I had to throw my hat in the ring, here would be my predictions:

Incineroar
Ken
Shadow
Dixie
Geno

Lines up with Verg perfectly, and is a decent blend of relevancy and popular request.

If we get another unique in a general Direct or standalone reveal, it's a huge toss-up between all the remaining characters. I could realistically see Isaac, Banjo, Skull Kid, Bandana Dee, Rayman, Lloyd, Heihachi, Shantae, Elma, pretty much anyone could fill in that spot.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Honestly, one of the biggest points against the box theory is that if Incineroar is the only unique remaining they would end on 69 numbered fighters. I'm only partially joking but I really don't think they'd actually do that.

I still think the safest bet is a repeat of the August Direct, meaning 2 uniques and 3 Echoes (meaning 7 unique and 7 echo newcomers in total). If I had to throw my hat in the ring, here would be my predictions:

Incineroar
Ken
Shadow
Dixie
Geno

Lines up with Verg perfectly, and is a decent blend of relevancy and popular request.

If we get another unique in a general Direct or standalone reveal, it's a huge toss-up between all the remaining characters. I could realistically see Isaac, Banjo, Skull Kid, Bandana Dee, Rayman, Lloyd, Heihachi, Shantae, Elma, pretty much anyone could fill in that spot.

I'd say throw Impa in there as an echo of Sheik and I'd say it'd be perfect. Including echos it'd round out to 80 characters.

 

[Jigglymaster]

I think Geno is in, but as the first announced DLC character. Next direct will feature Incineroar in the beginning, and then Geno DLC at the end. They'll probably give you him as a free download code for sometime in the spring if you have Nintendo's Online Paid Membership.

 

[Honest Slug]

Daily reminder that Nintendo is capable of editing a box and the box theory is a load of garbage.

 

[domriver]

I guess the real question is: If this smash direct is the final shot to sell this game will they show MORE than 2 unique characters? How many echos? IF we get no more character reveals TILL the last Smash Direct i wouldnt be surprised if they showcased 3-4 newcomer uniques (assuming there gonna be at least 3-4 to show) and a whole mess of echos plus mystery mode and whatever else they have up their sleeves.

 

[Klimax]

Honestly, one of the biggest points against the box theory is that if Incineroar is the only unique remaining they would end on 69 numbered fighters. I'm only partially joking but I really don't think they'd actually do that.

I still think the safest bet is a repeat of the August Direct, meaning 2 uniques and 3 Echoes (meaning 7 unique and 7 echo newcomers in total). If I had to throw my hat in the ring, here would be my predictions:

Incineroar
Ken
Shadow
Dixie
Geno

Lines up with Verg perfectly, and is a decent blend of relevancy and popular request.

If we get another unique in a general Direct or standalone reveal, it's a huge toss-up between all the remaining characters. I could realistically see Isaac, Banjo, Skull Kid, Bandana Dee, Rayman, Lloyd, Heihachi, Shantae, Elma, pretty much anyone could fill in that spot.

I think this is the most realistic scenario for the next direct.
But i'm afraid that we're not getting anything more. So I'm really afraid for our friends from the Isaac's support thread because they really deserve him.
The best scenario would be 2 unique newcomers and 3 echo for the next Smash Direct. And one more newcomer (a smash ballot choice like Isaac or Bandana Dee) for another direct.

The good thing is that I see Geno getting in, no matter which scenario they go for.

 

[thirsty-pocket]

I guess the real question is: If this smash direct is the final shot to sell this game will they show MORE than 2 unique characters? How many echos? IF we get no more character reveals TILL the last Smash Direct i wouldnt be surprised if they showcased 3-4 newcomer uniques (assuming there gonna be at least 3-4 to show) and a whole mess of echos plus mystery mode and whatever else they have up their sleeves.

The final direct could be 35 minutes of a static image of a jar of Mayonaise and it would still sell gangbusters. Let's not pretend that they have to prove anything to get this game into the hands of a majority of Switch owners.

 

[domriver]

I think this is the most realistic scenario for the next direct.
But i'm afraid that we're not getting anything more. So I'm really afraid for our friends from the Isaac's support thread because they really deserve him.
The best scenario would be 2 unique newcomers and 3 echo for the next Smash Direct. And one more newcomer (a smash ballot choice like Isaac or Bandana Dee) for another direct.

The good thing is that I see Geno getting in, no matter which scenario they go for.

You know i agree and regardless of me actually wanting Geno in. But the thing that im heavily relying on my belief is Sakurai himself talking about Geno and giving him a more treatment when revealing a mill costume. It just makes sense that he is in. To be honest BWD, Shantae, (maybe Issac), Skull Kid I just dont see happening for base roster. DLC quite so but not for base roster. If you believe the box theory (which i dont) technically only 1 character unique remains and I truly believe that Geno has his name all over it. Since i dont believe the box theory i predict 2 more newcomers left. AFTER Incenaroar. 1 of them Geno the other is .... idk. Echos? Bring on all the echos possible all good.

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The final direct could be 35 minutes of a static image of a jar of Mayonaise and it would still sell gangbusters. Let's not pretend that they have to prove anything to get this game into the hands of a majority of Switch owners.

True.

 

[max_0888]

I believe that Geno will be in the game roster and not DLC. DLC will probably be reserved to more mainstream characters well known to more causal gamers like Banjo or Crash or Rex or Lara Croft or Sora. Geno needs to be in the next direct with a proper video like ridley et k rool

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I 100% support Geno for Smash Ultimate.

I don't think he's a lock just yet, but there are definitely reasons to have hope he'll be in the base roster.

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

Honestly, one of the biggest points against the box theory is that if Incineroar is the only unique remaining they would end on 69 numbered fighters. I'm only partially joking but I really don't think they'd actually do that.

I still think the safest bet is a repeat of the August Direct, meaning 2 uniques and 3 Echoes (meaning 7 unique and 7 echo newcomers in total). If I had to throw my hat in the ring, here would be my predictions:

Incineroar
Ken
Shadow
Dixie
Geno

Lines up with Verg perfectly, and is a decent blend of relevancy and popular request.

If we get another unique in a general Direct or standalone reveal, it's a huge toss-up between all the remaining characters. I could realistically see Isaac, Banjo, Skull Kid, Bandana Dee, Rayman, Lloyd, Heihachi, Shantae, Elma, pretty much anyone could fill in that spot.

This sounds pretty sensible to me. Though in all honesty, I'm still subscribing to the possibility of 8 newcomers to match the 8 starters. And I don't think it's entirely impossible for there to A) be two directs between now and launch, and B) be three newcomers (and trailers) in one direct. It might be pretty packed, but it's possible. Just as much as the box theory is credible, really.

Right now, people are just being cautious thanks to the Isabelle reveal. Which I completely understand. That's another reason I'm none too pleased with that announcement--it not only killed my hype, but made everyone else into pessimists. That box theory probably wouldn't have gotten near as much traction had it not come into being right after Isabelle.

Just a bunch of unfortunate circumstances for smash speculation, really...

 

[Fatmanonice]

I've always seen Banjo as prime DLC material. I'm like 98% certain he'll be the last character shown. Alright... My prediction time table:

-Geno (announced last pre launch Smash Direct)

-Echo/semi-clone dump (launched around Smash 20th anniversary with Geno. Shadow, Dixie, and grab-bag pick like Impa or Medusa are dropped too.)

-E3 2019 dump (two or three popular characters like Isaac, Skull Kid, and/or Bandana Dee)

-One year anniversary dump (8th gen Pokemon, Banjo, and maaaaybe one last popular pick)

 

[Funktastic]

I've always seen Banjo as prime DLC material. I'm like 98% certain he'll be the last character shown. Alright... My prediction time table:

-Geno (announced last pre launch Smash Direct)

-Echo/semi-clone dump (launched around Smash 20th anniversary with Geno. Shadow, Dixie, and grab-bag pick like Impa or Medusa are dropped too.)

-E3 2019 dump (two or three popular characters like Isaac, Skull Kid, and/or Bandana Dee)

-One year anniversary dump (8th gen Pokemon, Banjo, and maaaaybe one last popular pick)

In the best timeline, aye, that would be perfect. Throw in Black Shadow from F-zero and maybe a Capcom pick like Dante and we'd have a stew goin'.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Geno totally should be the 69th. Mode Incineroar to 70

 

[ChronoKatie]

Sadly, I am losing hope. I very much believe all signs are pointing to Incineroar and Ken being the final two. The likely situation is that Verg's SE rep is our first DLC, and Geno is definitely not the character you do for DLC. Sakurai knows all too well his popularity, so he would have been something attempted during the main development and not a bonus thought for DLC afterward. I also just know SE all too well. They are just too stingy to let it happen.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Sadly, I am losing hope. I very much believe all signs are pointing to Incineroar and Ken being the final two. The likely situation is that Verg's SE rep is our first DLC, and Geno is definitely not the character you do for DLC. Sakurai knows all too well his popularity, so he would have been something attempted during the main development and not a bonus thought for DLC afterward. I also just know SE all too well. They are just too stingy to let it happen.

If Geno ends up being DLC, someone had an interesting theory that Sakurai has a difficult time dealing with Square but eventually they were able to get the rights to use Geno. But by that point it was too late and in order to add him to the base game they'd need to delay it - which is what happened with Sonic.

But this is 2018. You don't have to delay a game when DLC exists.

 

[Dan]

Sadly, I am losing hope. I very much believe all signs are pointing to Incineroar and Ken being the final two. The likely situation is that Verg's SE rep is our first DLC, and Geno is definitely not the character you do for DLC. Sakurai knows all too well his popularity, so he would have been something attempted during the main development and not a bonus thought for DLC afterward. I also just know SE all too well. They are just too stingy to let it happen.

You really think there's going to be some all-out final "this is the sun" 50-fact extravaganza and it's just going to end with Incineroar and Ken, when some random Direct in August had five characters? I'd say assume the same pattern (two unique and three Echo's) to close it out, and maybe we'll get another character in a non-Smash Direct.

Some people are overly optimistic, but this is way too modest.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I believe the box theory, but I'm still being overly optimistic about Geno.

I figure, why not? I can't be more disappointed than if it's just Ken and Incineroar. Might as well shoot for the stars.

 

[Dan]

****, Incineroar and Ken would make sense in the same trailer in the Punch-Out ring, but can you imagine the backlash if that was it? Look at what happened with Isabelle, and that reasonable.

Geno is the type of character you include in a base game, while Cloud was the DLC choice since more people would buy him; that's why he got in first.

 

[ctt4lfecw]

The question is, will Verg find out if it's Geno? Or will his sources stay hidden until launch?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The question is, will Verg find out if it's Geno? Or will his sources stay hidden until launch?

Verg has a name. If it's Geno or not he hasn't said.

 

[Dan]

I don't get why Verge cares so much about his credibility ego; if he's not keeping quiet to save someone else's job or something, I don't get why he just doesn't come out and say what he's been told. He cares too much about his mini-celebrity as a leaker. If he was cool, he would spill his guts.

 

[thirsty-pocket]

I've always seen Banjo as prime DLC material. I'm like 98% certain he'll be the last character shown. Alright... My prediction time table:

-Geno (announced last pre launch Smash Direct)

-Echo/semi-clone dump (launched around Smash 20th anniversary with Geno. Shadow, Dixie, and grab-bag pick like Impa or Medusa are dropped too.)

-E3 2019 dump (two or three popular characters like Isaac, Skull Kid, and/or Bandana Dee)

-One year anniversary dump (8th gen Pokemon, Banjo, and maaaaybe one last popular pick)

I'd be happy with that, though at the same time, I don't want to wait that long for Banjo. I want him to be in asap so my player stats end up being extremely telling of how badly I wanted to play as him ( same as they were with Sonic and Little Mac )