Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[RetrogamerMax]

If you say so.

Like you said "I doubt they might do a Smash Direct just for one character."

 

[CannonStreak]

Like you said "I doubt they might do a Smash Direct just for one character."

Okay then. I gotcha.

In that case, if that is true, maybe they won't show a new character in the next Direct, but announce a Smash Direct in that general Direct in September.

 

[JarBear]

Lastly, since I got some wine in me I can be more hopeful. The way the fighter pass has been handled we’ve received more than what was announced. There has been mii costumes, new modes, etc. with the budget being so low... could Nintendo have worked out a other fighter and wanted Sakurai to make it work with the budget he had?

I am not saying this is the case at all. Just ... hope....

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Okay then. I gotcha.

In that case, if that is true, maybe they won't show a new character in the next Direct, but announce a Smash Direct in that general Direct in September.

I'm not saying there will be a Smash Direct but if there is, I'm pretty sure they will have us waiting until November or December.

 

[Kremling Kommander]

Perhaps so. But still, unless they are to announce as second season pass or a bonus character, I doubt they might do a Smash Direct for just one character.

By the way, what other Square Enix characters besides Geno would you want for Smash. We have Cloud and Hero already. I would ask for anything other than Geno except maybe Lara Croft.

For me, it would be Sora(mostly for the fans) and Sephiroth.

 

[CannonStreak]

I'm not saying there will be a Smash Direct but if there is, I'm pretty sure they will have us waiting until November or December.

Oh yeah, if we had to wait that long, I bet fans would be upset. Well, if that happened, still, the reveals would better be worth it.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Oh yeah, if we had to wait that long, I bet fans would be upset. Well, if that happened, still, the reveals would better be worth it.

Agreed. I would hope they would at least be close to E3 tier not like anyone else's reveal is really going to top off Banjo & Kazooie.

 

[CannonStreak]

Agreed. I would hope they would at least be close to E3 tier not like anyone else's reveal is really going to top Banjo & Kazooie's.

To me, Crash Bandicoot would top BK's (and no, I don't mean Burger King) reveal. Don't know how likely he is though, despite having fan demand.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Perhaps so. But still, unless they are to announce as second season pass or a bonus character, I doubt they might do a Smash Direct for just one character.

By the way, what other Square Enix characters besides Geno would you want for Smash. We have Cloud and Hero already. I would ask for anything other than Geno except maybe Lara Croft.

I don't have much stake in any other SE characters but I actually do like Sora and also think Lightning or Crono would be cool. I'd want to keep it characters known for gaming so no one from Full Metal Alchemist unfortunately.

On another note, I'm not convinced that we are getting any Smash news soon. I don't think it's terribly unlikely but literally nothing is given at this point.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

To me, Crash Bandicoot would top BK's (and no, I don't mean Burger King) reveal. Don't know how likely he is though, despite having fan demand.

I think the only character that would get a bigger pop than Banjo & Kazooie is Sora. Though I honestly much prefer Geno. But you can't denie that Sora's inclusion would literally break the Internet as Nintendo would have to go to freaking Disney to get him.

 

[CannonStreak]

I think the only character that would get a bigger pop than Banjo & Kazooie is Sora. Though I honestly much prefer Geno. But you can't denie that Sora's inclusion would literally break the Internet as Nintendo would have to go to freaking Disney to get him.

Yeah, I wonder how much trouble Nintendo would have to go through to get Sora from Disney? That would definitely top Banjo-Kazooie's reveal in terms of how difficult it would be to get Sora in.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Corrin and Bayo were released on the same day though. The spacing of the characters seems deliberate too. Spring, Summer, Fall, "Winter", and probably February. Two characters announced at E3 made sense not only because it's the biggest gaming event of the year but because they were slated for different times. Like I said, Sakurai's recent statements about the budget make me think that a formal Smash Direct isn't going to happen so there's not a lot of opportunities left for two character announcements.

 

[MattX20]

Corrin and Bayo were released on the same day though. The spacing of the characters seems deliberate too. Spring, Summer, Fall, "Winter", and probably February. Two characters announced at E3 made sense not only because it's the biggest gaming event of the year but because they were slated for different times. Like I said, Sakurai's recent statements about the budget make me think that a formal Smash Direct isn't going to happen so there's not a lot of opportunities left for two character announcements.

Precisely. Apart from The Game Awards, the Tokyo Game show is the last major gaming related event of the year. So for character #4, the identity of #4 will be revealed in the September Direct most likely. #5 has either the Game Awards or a potential special Smash Direct to confirm who it is as the only two viable options

 

[link2702]

w3'3r n0w 0n t3h 1337 p4g3 g3n0br05 loollolol!!!!!11111111

That was a nightmare to type out......

*Ahem* Back on topic....

SO Continuing my SMRPG no equipment run now....

 

[MisterMike]

w3'3r n0w 0n t3h 1337 p4g3 g3n0br05 loollolol!!!!!11111111

That was a nightmare to type out......

*Ahem* Back on topic....

SO Continuing my SMRPG no equipment run now....

XD XD XD LOLOLOL SO 1337 BROSKI

 

[Ovaltine]

w3'3r n0w 0n t3h 1337 p4g3 g3n0br05 loollolol!!!!!11111111

That was a nightmare to type out......

*Ahem* Back on topic....

SO Continuing my SMRPG no equipment run now....

XD XD XD LOLOLOL SO 1337 BROSKI

You ever think about how there is an entire word, defenestration, that means 'launching yourself out of a window'?

I'd like to do that right now.

 

[wynn728]

you really are one depressed dude.

I'm a guy who speaks my mind and won't change my opinion just because the creator wanted to do something.

 

[link2702]

Not sure why but tonight hearing the music of bandit’s way while chasing croco flooded me with nostalgia from the first time I played smrpg...

Like...almost tearing up nostalgic. Having my original snes fully in working order, my original game cartridge that my mother had wrote my name on in sharpie (because it seemed like everyone back then were worried someone would steal your game cartridges and somehow, having your name on it would be a deterrent...), a fully cleaned snes controller...all together had me pause for a bit taking it all in.

 

[ZelDan]

Alot of people say Hero was expected, but I would argue it was moreso Erdrick that was expected. At the very least I found myself kind of surprised how that reveal went down.

"Whelp, they're showing a bunch of sword characters, this is probably Erdrick.......wait is that Luminary? WAIT "THE HERO" WHAT'S WITH THE NAME???......Oh wow they actually made a few more DQ characters alts including Erdirck...huh..."

 

[TheCJBrine]

7h15 p4g3 5ur3 15 l337, br05k15.

I hope the direct actually is this week, and I hope there’s some Geno stuff.

And Pikmin 4.

And Mother 3.

 

[ivanlerma]

I'm a guy who speaks my mind and won't change my opinion just because the creator wanted to do something.

Heh,i feel that way sometimes too.

 

[Qeomash]

I would've been disappointed if nobody acknowledged Geno's 1337 thread.

 

[Ze Diglett]

>1337 jokes

Jesus, we really are a bunch of boomers.

 

[Bee Card]

Perhaps so. But still, unless they are to announce as second season pass or a bonus character, I doubt they might do a Smash Direct for just one character.

By the way, what other Square Enix characters besides Geno would you want for Smash. We have Cloud and Hero already. I would ask for anything other than Geno except maybe Lara Croft.

Bub & Bob from Bubble Bobble (it's Taito's characters but Taito is own by Squix)

 

[wynn728]

You know, there is a good chance that the reason many credible leakers don't know who the 4th character is is because they're not going to announce anything in the September Direct.

 

[xpnc]

You know, there is a good chance that the reason many credible leakers don't know who the 4th character is is because they're not going to announce anything in the September Direct.

Do you just hate fun or what

 

[Bob-Omber]

You know, there is a good chance that the reason many credible leakers don't know who the 4th character is is because they're not going to announce anything in the September Direct.

...flabdrassit thats some legit logic. Whatever you do please be wrong. (Not that i think youre wrong or right i just think this would suck)

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Spoiler: Replying to Lots of People in a Big Post

See, this is what I was talking about: I don't believe females are under represented in Smash personally, but let us look at what the hard math says (I did this math before but I never posted it because I was worry about how I would be taken)!

Spoiler: Teh Mathz

Once again, this will not take into consideration characters that can be either gender or those who are part of a mixed duo.

Thus, the female characters in Smash Ultimate are:

Oof, it would seem that the math is kind clear here, as I only count 12 here, meaning the other 64 either fall under one of the categories I mentioned above or are not female at all. Obviously this disparity would look less so if we separated those in duo or either gender categories, but it's clear that at 15% is pretty measly and Smash Ultimate is a male-dominated cast of characters...or is it?

If we look at those who can be either-or, we get: (Pika Libre is Female, so the option is there), for a total of 8 or 10%. Those that are un-gendered are: (Japan is called 'Robot' and the gender is implied to be male but Robots don't really work like that) , which comes out to 13 or 17%. We then have our mixed duos: and , of which there are only three and that makes up about 4%.

Technically speaking, going STRICTLY by gender representation, Smash Ultimate really isn't doing that bad, though the math doesn't lie at roughly 54% of the cast being 100% male. That is still pretty crazy though that about 46% of Smash doesn't fall under male. The more you know! Though, our original goal was just the 100% female representation, and that is still only 15%.

I've got a couple of issues with how you present the "female and male" percentages. For one, you count Bayonetta twice for some reason. Not actually much of an issue, but I wanted to point it out. I start having more relevant issues with how you portray the "both" category. Bowser Jr. for example isn't really a "both" situation as much as he is a one out of eight alts is a female character. To properly account for the alts like that, you'd need to include the other six male Koopalings in your calculation or not count any of the Koopalings for consistency sake.

The other issue is that "either or" needs to be separated in your going to do some sort of comparison like that.

Here's a better way of representing this whole argument in my opinion:

Strictly Male Characters: - 54/91 = 59.3%
*Hero is listed four times because he has four unique alts that are unique characters in the Dragon Quest games, but we don't currently have Icons for them on the website.

Strictly Female Characters: - 11/91 = 12.1 %

Duos with a Male and Female Character: - 3/91 = 3.3%

Characters that can be Male or Female: (Pikachu and Pichu have specific alts that are defined as female, Spiky Eared Pichu is female in Pokemon Soulsilver and Libre is defined as female) - 11/91 = 12.1%

Characters that are not explicitly defined: (Worth pointing out that Incineroar has Pokemon lore that dictates the character is predominately male with a gender ratio of 87.5% male to 12.5% female) (opposite Incineroar with 75% female and 25% male) - 9/91 = 9.9%

Characters that are neither: (Yoshi can produce its own eggs without a partner, so it doesn't really fall into a category) - 3/91 =3.3%

It paints a different picture when you categorize them like this. I split up the alts if the characters were entirely unique as they do deserve such a status (or at least if I'm going to count Wendy, I have to count the rest of them to be fair). You can't really count characters that work as both in terms of "characters that don't fall under male" since they absolutely do still fall under male to a major degree. The Pokemon and Piranha Plant become kind of a messy ordeal to when considering these qualifiers. While they technically can all be male or female, they're clearly portrayed in a certain way to project either male or female through the voice actors. And only Jigglypuff takes up the female moniker definitively. There's a heavy skew towards male characters as fighters in the game that really pops out when you organize the data like I have. I do agree with you as to why the game exists in the way that it exists though, I'm not challenging any of that, just the presentation of the data on this topic.

This is revisionism. No one ever thought Banjo was likely until the Shinobi post. In fact, I was 99% sure Steve was getting in instead.

People thought Banjo was likely prior to Shinobi, and while Steve vs Banjo was always a prevalent conversation, there was far from a consensus on that issue. Stuff like Cuphead on Switch and the Banjo merch showing up pushed people more and more towards him happening. Also, Sakurai is just a big fan of games, so it's no coincidence. He's commented on both of those series well before they were implemented into Ultimate.

I do think this is worth mentioning. Geno is, so far, the only character Sakurai has openly admitted having planned for Smash at some point during the development of not one but two separate games, AND still hasn't been in the roster yet.
Blastoise, Heihachi, Takamaru, Nintendog, Balloon Fighter, Mach Rider, Excitebike, Bubbles, and a few others have only ever been considered for one title before they were dropped entirely.
Geno has persisted for two games as opposed to just one. Clearly Sakurai has something for him and this will almost certainly be the game he stars in

There's zero evidence that Geno was ever actually considered for Smash 4, only for Brawl, so I wouldn't really say he's any more special than other choices in that regard. Sakurai's comments on the Mii costume don't allow us to extrapolate that much.

Just because Sakurai wanted it doesn't mean it's good or people have to change their opinion about it. Not everyone gets a free pass from criticism. Sakurai wanted Piranha Plant in the roster well good for him, doesn't mean everyone have to sit down, shut up, and applaud his decision of doing this if they hated it. That's like saying we should be happy with 2K for really wanting to include loot boxes, slot machine, pachinko, and a wheel as a form of progression in the new NBA game.

A game that preys upon the consumer at every single opportunity and basically teaches gambling to children and can possibly lead to massive spending from unaware children or compulsive gamblers with actual mental issues.... or one DLC character in a game that was offered as a bonus to early adopters...

I, too, enjoy pointless false equivalencies that completely fail to address anything in conversation. /s

Very mixed. On the one hand they’ve “allowed” Cloud and Hero, two of their biggest characters/franchises. If the relationship has softened after that, Geno would be in a business sense a cash cow. Geno doesn’t have the legal or multiple ownership like the others do. Plus, it would show the “Nintendo” group that the relationship is back.

To focus on this part: cash cow. It’s like a product someone has in their basement they do not plan to use ever again ever but a person says “hey let me use that and I will pay you, you don’t have to do anything!”

Geno is quite possibly the least "cash cow" type character from Square Enix we could get though. Like, yes, he'll sell as a singular DLC, but he brings practically no one new to Smash and he doesn't promote a new game or series in the least bit, or really anything to sell. Geno as DLC is basically a small miracle because he's arguably one of the least appealing options for either company as a fighter, so it would be entirely Sakurai exerting his influence on that situation unless there's something greater planned.

Also, the "Nintendo/Square-Enix" relationship has been back for a while and they have the perfect new poster child for it in either Octopath Traveler or Dragon Quest 11 S.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

[-] @ ¶ ¶ √ 1337 ¶ @ & 3!

Jk. Glad to see the thread running this long. Hopefully things change for the better eventually. As part of Smash, a remaster, a remake a sequel, a reintroduction, anything.

The Warrior deserves it.

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[wynn728]

Do you just hate fun or what

I'm just thinking they probably want Banjo to get release before showing off another character, and Banjo ain't releasing until after September 23rd (first day of the fall). Can me a joy killer, but Smash Bros can barely keep a secret now. Many newcomers were leaked, Hero was datamine because they didn't learn their lesson from the first time with Ryu, Banjo leaked because because people got to view their E3 coverage, they're batting a thousand with their super secret reveals.

 

[Zinith]

Spoiler: Replying to Lots of People in a Big Post

I've got a couple of issues with how you present the "female and male" percentages. For one, you count Bayonetta twice for some reason. Not actually much of an issue, but I wanted to point it out. I start having more relevant issues with how you portray the "both" category. Bowser Jr. for example isn't really a "both" situation as much as he is a one out of eight alts is a female character. To properly account for the alts like that, you'd need to include the other six male Koopalings in your calculation or not count any of the Koopalings for consistency sake.

The other issue is that "either or" needs to be separated in your going to do some sort of comparison like that.

Here's a better way of representing this whole argument in my opinion:

Strictly Male Characters: - 54/91 = 59.3%
*Hero is listed four times because he has four unique alts that are unique characters in the Dragon Quest games, but we don't currently have Icons for them on the website.

Strictly Female Characters: - 11/91 = 12.1 %

Duos with a Male and Female Character: - 3/91 = 3.3%

Characters that can be Male or Female: (Pikachu and Pichu have specific alts that are defined as female, Spiky Eared Pichu is female in Pokemon Soulsilver and Libre is defined as female) - 11/91 = 12.1%

Characters that are not explicitly defined: (Worth pointing out that Incineroar has Pokemon lore that dictates the character is predominately male with a gender ratio of 87.5% male to 12.5% female) (opposite Incineroar with 75% female and 25% male) - 9/91 = 9.9%

Characters that are neither: (Yoshi can produce its own eggs without a partner, so it doesn't really fall into a category) - 3/91 =3.3%

It paints a different picture when you categorize them like this. I split up the alts if the characters were entirely unique as they do deserve such a status (or at least if I'm going to count Wendy, I have to count the rest of them to be fair). You can't really count characters that work as both in terms of "characters that don't fall under male" since they absolutely do still fall under male to a major degree. The Pokemon and Piranha Plant become kind of a messy ordeal to when considering these qualifiers. While they technically can all be male or female, they're clearly portrayed in a certain way to project either male or female through the voice actors. And only Jigglypuff takes up the female moniker definitively. There's a heavy skew towards male characters as fighters in the game that really pops out when you organize the data like I have. I do agree with you as to why the game exists in the way that it exists though, I'm not challenging any of that, just the presentation of the data on this topic.



People thought Banjo was likely prior to Shinobi, and while Steve vs Banjo was always a prevalent conversation, there was far from a consensus on that issue. Stuff like Cuphead on Switch and the Banjo merch showing up pushed people more and more towards him happening. Also, Sakurai is just a big fan of games, so it's no coincidence. He's commented on both of those series well before they were implemented into Ultimate.



There's zero evidence that Geno was ever actually considered for Smash 4, only for Brawl, so I wouldn't really say he's any more special than other choices in that regard. Sakurai's comments on the Mii costume don't allow us to extrapolate that much.



A game that preys upon the consumer at every single opportunity and basically teaches gambling to children and can possibly lead to massive spending from unaware children or compulsive gamblers with actual mental issues.... or one DLC character in a game that was offered as a bonus to early adopters...

I, too, enjoy pointless false equivalencies that completely fail to address anything in conversation. /s



Geno is quite possibly the least "cash cow" type character from Square Enix we could get though. Like, yes, he'll sell as a singular DLC, but he brings practically no one new to Smash and he doesn't promote a new game or series in the least bit, or really anything to sell. Geno as DLC is basically a small miracle because he's arguably one of the least appealing options for either company as a fighter, so it would be entirely Sakurai exerting his influence on that situation unless there's something greater planned.

Also, the "Nintendo/Square-Enix" relationship has been back for a while and they have the perfect new poster child for it in either Octopath Traveler or Dragon Quest 11 S.

Eh, I would put Yoshi in the male category. There's a lot of cherry picking in regards to how reproduction works with them. There are two instances of Yoshis hatching asexually (Yoshi NES and Game & Watch Gallery) and two instances of Yoshis having dimorphic relationships (Mario Party and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door). All other instances of Yoshis laying eggs doesn't prove reproduction that way. Granted, Smash does depict a wide array of colors and it could indicate a general "species" for six of them rather than one character, but I still consider the default alt and the Crafted alt the "Yoshi character" and he's classified as male...

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Eh, I would put Yoshi in the male category. There's a lot of cherry picking in regards to how reproduction works with them. There are two instances of Yoshis hatching asexually (Yoshi NES and Game & Watch Gallery) and two instances of Yoshis having dimorphic relationships (Mario Party and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door). All other instances of Yoshis laying eggs doesn't prove reproduction that way. Granted, Smash does depict a wide array of colors and it could indicate a general "species" for six of them rather than one character, but I still consider the default alt and the Crafted alt the "Yoshi character" and he's classified as male...

I would tend to agree in all honesty, but I thought Yoshi was ambiguous enough to consider differently. The main "Yoshi" in the games has always been portrayed as male and I believe Smash intends to represent that version. I just play a bit more loosely with interpretations like I mentioned with the Pokemon to entertain all notions people might have on the subject.

 

[Fenriraga]

I genuinely don't think we're going to know who the next fighter is until sometime after Banjo is out. I'm sure the direct will have a release window for Banjo, much like how Joker was handled, but nothing beyond that.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I genuinely don't think we're going to know who the next fighter is until sometime after Banjo is out. I'm sure the direct will have a release window for Banjo, much like how Joker was handled, but nothing beyond that.

I'd argue against this because we've already seen Banjo & Kazooie in action. In the February Direct, all we saw was Joker's back and an announcement of an announcement. Which was especially important because they hadn't actually gotten to any of the Fighter's Pass characters at that point and things were still earlier along. We know that the first three fighters of the pass have been worked on since December of last year, so Banjo & Kazooie are in a considerably better place now than where Joker was in February. You can't really tease Banjo & Kazooie any more since you've already unveiled him, so it's really just giving a release date or a more concrete announcement of his "breakdown video." September will mark three months since Banjo & Kazooie were revealed, so that's a lot of time to get a character that looked extremely close to finished... well finished. The circumstances feel completely different compared to Joker's minor appearance in February.

There's an actual true expectation of a character reveal here, the next character should be releasing very soon after the Direct, and it's one of their opportunities to blow out things for the remainder of the year (there's no reason to not expect #4 by the end of the year TBH unless Sakurai has really started working on #4 and #5 super late). And honestly, I still think not revealing the next fighter with Joker was a bit of a mistake. I think we should always know the next character coming without a dead period and with Banjo & Kazooie's impending release, I think it makes sense to see someone new here.

 

[catsforlife1]

Oh boy Yugioh Vrains final duel set up AND a somewhat secret Direct. next mouth is going to be crazy

 

[Fenriraga]

Also, I believe the 4th and 5th characters shrouded identities are mostly because Sakurai and the team focused on the first 3 around the same time when DLC development started. If someone knew about Joker, Hero or Banjo, it was probably because one of the three was being worked on at the time (Sakurai himself specifically stated they had started on the first three a bit after Joker was revealed), and I'm sure the leaks have made them much more cautious for the remaining two characters.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I feel the last two characters should be revealed by the end of the year, with the last one releasing either late January or sometime in February.

#4 could very well be revealed in this direct, and #5 could be at the VGAs if not another direct.

 

[wynn728]

There's an actual true expectation of a character reveal here, the next character should be releasing very soon after the Direct, and it's one of their opportunities to blow out things for the remainder of the year (there's no reason to not expect #4 by the end of the year TBH unless Sakurai has really started working on #4 and #5 super late). And honestly, I still think not revealing the next fighter with Joker was a bit of a mistake. I think we should always know the next character coming without a dead period and with Banjo & Kazooie's impending release, I think it makes sense to see someone new here.

There's always expectations for a character reveal, doesn't mean that there will be one. They rarely work with fan expectations. I don't see how not revealing a character next week in the Direct will be any different.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Corrin and Bayo were released on the same day though. The spacing of the characters seems deliberate too. Spring, Summer, Fall, "Winter", and probably February. Two characters announced at E3 made sense not only because it's the biggest gaming event of the year but because they were slated for different times. Like I said, Sakurai's recent statements about the budget make me think that a formal Smash Direct isn't going to happen so there's not a lot of opportunities left for two character announcements.

I didn't thought of that, you make a great point.

 

[Zav22]

I will say, at least from my perspective, there have been at least three names which were constantly being circulated near or around me online;

#1 - The Doom Slayer, or Doomguy, or Doom Marine. Either way, this has been a very common name I've seen thrown around. Mostly, I think, due to how Bethesda made a short little quip about talking to Nintendo about Smash, and that was about it.

#2 - Frisk, or "The Human". I see this one thrown around a lot (sometimes with Sans, but lately, with the human protagonist instead), and it stands to reason that most folks I talk to expect this entry due to the fact that they really, really expect to see an Indie representative. Considering Shovel Knight is guest-starring as an Assist, the only other two people seem to expect are Hollow Knight, or Frisk from Undertale. Whether we're even guaranteed an Indie rep is, of course, still up in the air.

#3 - Ryu Hayabusa. I've mostly seen this one thrown around because people supposedly leaked it before the game launched, and others suggest it's inevitable because of the history on NES, coupled with a Koei Tecmo assist already being present in the game.

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If we were going to get a character for certain, based literally only on through-the-grapevine/watercooler talk, I'd put money on one of these three in particular. Of course, Geno will still be my main (and honestly, final) big wish for this entry in the Smash series, but if we're talking general probability for one of the DLC spots, I'd say that I'm pretty sure one of the aforementioned is possible.

About Frisk real quick, I don't know much about undertale but I've heard about it almost all over including my friends. If frisk got announced as the next dlc fighter don't you think that would increase Genos chances of getting in even more? Because correct me if I'm wrong on this but the only songs I've seen and heard that were copyrighted by Nintendo were 2 SMRPG songs and Megalovania which I do know is from Undertale. I feel like if an representative from Undertale got in that might lead to something!