Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Bob-Omber]

Hey guys, what are we talking about now?

A direct is possibly happening with no prior information about what might be in it except for potentially ryu hayabusa, the saying of opinions on wether or not the spirit of geno being from the mario rpg series instead of the mario series makes him from a different series, and general chances of geno and what effects those chances like sakurai choosing series things for dlc...but idk

 

[CannonStreak]

A direct is possibly happening with no prior information about what might be in it except for potentially ryu hayabusa, the saying of opinions on wether or not the spirit of geno being from the mario rpg series instead of the mario series makes him from a different series, and general chances of geno and what effects those chances like sakurai choosing series things for dlc...but idk

Okay then. So how many people think it IS Ryu Hayabusa?

 

[JarBear]

Oye, this situation is depressing and exciting. I am really hoping SE and Nintendo have made up....

 

[Bob-Omber]

Okay then. So how many people think it IS Ryu Hayabusa?

From what ive seen not many because the person who started the whole ryu is the fourth character thing is questionable when it comes to credibility (he supposedly leaked marx as a boss and pirhana plant but people apperantly already knew at the time so it doesnt count)

 

[CannonStreak]

From what ive seen not many because the person who started the whole ryu is the fourth character thing is questionable when it comes to credibility (he supposedly leaked marx as a boss and pirhana plant but people apperantly already knew at the time so it doesnt count)

Are you saying he was probably piggybacking off those who said it before? Can anyone elaborate on this? I am at the edge of my seat here.

 

[Bob-Omber]

Oye, this situation is depressing and exciting. I am really hoping SE and Nintendo have made up....

How much do you think square would actually want to let geno in?

 

[MisterMike]

The thing about spirits is when Geno's and Mallow's spirits were negotiated for versus when the DLC was decided. Ultimate's project plan was finalized in 2015, so any time in those years leading up to January 2018 (give or take a little while before, given third party negotiations), Geno and Mallow were negotiated for spirits with Square Enix. If they were negotiated really early on, Geno's still got a chance, as DLC negotiations and that for spirits are totally different and at different times. I'd wager this is a pretty good possibility, given Cloud probably had to be negotiated very early on, especially if they wanted to get 'everyone is here' going with the project plan. I could see them going for Geno and Mallow as spirits while they were at it.

Now, I'd say that, if Geno's and Mallow's spirits was added in far later, it'd be pretty clear to me. They weren't late additions like, say, Shantae and Risky Boots, though. It makes me wonder if Geno's spirit even matters in terms of this DLC. If by some miracle, we get more DLC, too, his spirit will certainly have no bearing on things.

"But if they negotiated for Geno's and Mallow's spirits, they could have just removed them if Geno was going to be playable."

To that, I say: nay. When negotiations are made for a character to be used in a certain way, it's set in stone. After going through the hoops to do that, it'd just be a loss of money and time if they rescinded that. If they were first party, removal would be easy, but it isn't such since they're both third party. Even if Geno is planned for DLC, it doesn't mean that his spirit can't exist in the base. It's all a matter of the timing and the logistics behind it. His spirit could mean everything or it could mean nothing at all. Unless we got everything behind the scenes regarding his and Mallow's spirits, though... we don't know.

I think it's worth noting that both Mewtwo and Lucas had trophies in Smash 4's base game, which was often considered a strong deconfirmation, yet they still became DLC. Their classic mode trophies were appended with "(Classic)" to differentiate them.
And yet some people still entertain the idea that spirits deconfirm characters. Ridiculous.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

For real? Are we really good g to get a direct soon and we're in the dark about who might be joining next? That is actually quite intriguing.

This makes the situation more exciting if you ask me. I know people want to be assured of who makes it but I am not of such belief.

At least like this, it will be more spread out and the possibilities are endless.

I will root for Geno of course (and Doom Slayer) but still. The chances are in the air for not only is but everyone.

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[Bob-Omber]

Are you saying he was probably piggybacking off those who said it before? Can anyone elaborate on this? I am at the edge of my seat here.

It wasnt really that he was piggybacking it was more like people already knew but no one was saying anything...not sure if that makes sense, you'll have to ask Fatmanonice

 

[CannonStreak]

It wasnt really that he was piggybacking it was more like people already knew but no one was saying anything...not sure if that makes sense, you'll have to ask Fatmanonice

Kinda makes sense, actually, but to get the full story... Fatmanonice , can you please elaborate on this?

 

[Rohanx17]

to jump off ovaltine's remark, if geno was planned for a dlc then cutting the spirit would practically give it away since mallow's would still be there, and then if you cut out BOTH spirits then there would still be the icon. You would have to cut out all the content just to reach the level of inconspicuousness just leaving it alone would and even then there's still all the various nods it's gotten even in smash with all the references plant had. I would have thought after not changing robin's final smash for ultimate that contradictory situations in universe didn't matter anymore.

not to mention how if trophies can't deconfirm then the significantly lower effort spirits deconfirming is silly.

 

[Fatmanonice]

It wasnt really that he was piggybacking it was more like people already knew but no one was saying anything...not sure if that makes sense, you'll have to ask Fatmanonice

That's basically it. Pirhana Plant had multiple 4chan leaks going as far back as last August and I saw evidence that Vergeben knew about it as early as last September but disregarded it because it sounded too dumb to be real. Marx was practically known by anyone who had insider information but it was kind of one of those details that people didn't think a lot of people would care about, kind of like the items.

 

[CannonStreak]

That's basically it. Pirhana Plant had multiple 4chan leaks going as far back as last August and I saw evidence that Vergeben knew about it as early as last September but disregarded it because it sounded too dumb to be real. Marx was practically known by anyone who had insider information but it was kind of one of those details that people didn't think a lot of people would care about, kind of like the items.

Interesting thoughts. Maybe this guy by himself (Shifty, that is) isn't too reliable now, huh?

 

[Bob-Omber]

Interesting thoughts. Maybe this guy by himself (Shifty, that is) isn't too reliable now, huh?

I need a reliable source to clobbah dat dere sketchy rumor

 

[Loog]

Spoiler

Just because Sakurai wanted it doesn't mean it's good or people have to change their opinion about it. Not everyone gets a free pass from criticism. Sakurai wanted Piranha Plant in the roster well good for him, doesn't mean everyone have to sit down, shut up, and applaud his decision of doing this if they hated it. That's like saying we should be happy with 2K for really wanting to include loot boxes, slot machine, pachinko, and a wheel as a form of progression in the new NBA game.

Criticism is fine however, you have to admit some people were acting a little much over a potted plant plus comparing adding a character you don't like to forcing in slot machines into a game and promoting gambling are two very different extremes don't you think?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Interesting thoughts. Maybe this guy by himself (Shifty, that is) isn't too reliable now, huh?

That's the current thought anyways. It wasn't that he was the only one that knew about Marx and PP, he was the only person that made public statements about them. Behind the scenes, both (especially Marx) were fairly well known. That's the difference. Plenty of people were able to back up his previous statements but he's basically standing by himself right now.

 

[CannonStreak]

I need a reliable source to clobbah dat dere sketchy rumor

Don't we all need one?

 

[JarBear]

How much do you think square would actually want to let geno in?

Very mixed. On the one hand they’ve “allowed” Cloud and Hero, two of their biggest characters/franchises. If the relationship has softened after that, Geno would be in a business sense a cash cow. Geno doesn’t have the legal or multiple ownership like the others do. Plus, it would show the “Nintendo” group that the relationship is back.

To focus on this part: cash cow. It’s like a product someone has in their basement they do not plan to use ever again ever but a person says “hey let me use that and I will pay you, you don’t have to do anything!”

Then again, SE could simply said no, or Nintendo after getting hero said no ... or Sakurai doesn’t really care too. Hence the oye.

Then again ... we got the Palutena’s guidance naming Smilex ... singing plants (MARIO RPG commercial) in this current game. Plus Yoshi’s crafty world using Yo’ster cookies with I would think the name is owned by Square since they made that island.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!

 

[CannonStreak]

That's the current thought anyways. It wasn't that he was the only one that knew about Marx and PP, he was the only person that made public statements about them. Behind the scenes, both (especially Marx) were fairly well known. That's the difference. Plenty of people were able to back up his previous statements but he's basically standing by himself right now.

I see. I wonder how may people may know the same as him, if any?

 

[MattX20]

If we're going into this whole Direct blind apart from the pretty much guaranteed Overwatch announcement, it's going to be quite a ride

 

[CannonStreak]

If we're going into this whole Direct blind apart from the pretty much guaranteed Overwatch announcement, it's going to be quite a ride

Who says we're going into it blind, though?

 

[JarBear]

I admit I am hoping to see maybe something about a RPG sequel or remake as one of the new 12 games ... part of my hopes from my above comments about the RPG references.

Back in the day with Nintendo Power magazine, the game was number one for so loooong. That and sometimes number two.

 

[Bob-Omber]

Very mixed. On the one hand they’ve “allowed” Cloud and Hero, two of their biggest characters/franchises. If the relationship has softened after that, Geno would be in a business sense a cash cow. Geno doesn’t have the legal or multiple ownership like the others do. Plus, it would show the “Nintendo” group that the relationship is back.

To focus on this part: cash cow. It’s like a product someone has in their basement they do not plan to use ever again ever but a person says “hey let me use that and I will pay you, you don’t have to do anything!”

Then again, SE could simply said no, or Nintendo after getting hero said no ... or Sakurai doesn’t really care too. Hence the oye.

Then again ... we got the Palutena’s guidance naming Smilex ... singing plants (MARIO RPG commercial) in this current game. Plus Yoshi’s crafty world using Yo’ster cookies with I would think the name is owned by Square since they made that island.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!

ugh...i feel you...my friend told me that SE would be to stingy to hand over Geno because we already got a rep from them and because of how they were with their 2 music tracks per game (then again he also thinks spirits deconfirm so...). I just wonder sometimes how right he may be, but i feel like the evidence for Geno outweighs the evidence against him

 

[CannonStreak]

ugh...i feel you...my friend told me that SE would be to stingy to hand over Geno because we already got a rep from them and because of how they were with their 2 music tracks per game (then again he also thinks spirits deconfirm so...). I just wonder sometimes how right he may be, but i feel like the evidence for Geno outweighs the evidence against him

I can imagine getting mad if they had to do a fourth rep, but really? Is a third rep going to be that much torture for them, if what your friend said was true?

 

[Nemuresu]

I'm not expecting much from another possible Direct. After what happened with Joker in February, I expect all characters to get dedicated showcases, so not hoping anything on the fourth character until Banjo comes out.

 

[Bob-Omber]

I can imagine getting mad if they had to do a fourth rep, but really? Is a third rep going to be that much torture for them, if what your friend said was true?

It wouldn't really be that bad for them especially with the amount of people who would buy Geno but that music track thing does make me think. I just have to hope I'll be able to rub it in his face when he's wrong (ok so maybe i wont do that but he'll never here the end of my excitement).

 

[MattX20]

That's the current thought anyways. It wasn't that he was the only one that knew about Marx and PP, he was the only person that made public statements about them. Behind the scenes, both (especially Marx) were fairly well known. That's the difference. Plenty of people were able to back up his previous statements but he's basically standing by himself right now.

I figured as much.

 

[CannonStreak]

It wouldn't really be that bad for them especially with the amount of people who would buy Geno but that music track thing does make me think. I just have to hope I'll be able to rub it in his face when he's wrong (ok so maybe i wont do that but he'll never here the end of my excitement).

I see. Speaking of music tracks, I would love Smithy's final form music as a track.

 

[Zinith]

Very mixed. On the one hand they’ve “allowed” Cloud and Hero, two of their biggest characters/franchises. If the relationship has softened after that, Geno would be in a business sense a cash cow. Geno doesn’t have the legal or multiple ownership like the others do. Plus, it would show the “Nintendo” group that the relationship is back.

To focus on this part: cash cow. It’s like a product someone has in their basement they do not plan to use ever again ever but a person says “hey let me use that and I will pay you, you don’t have to do anything!”

Then again, SE could simply said no, or Nintendo after getting hero said no ... or Sakurai doesn’t really care too. Hence the oye.

Then again ... we got the Palutena’s guidance naming Smilex ... singing plants (MARIO RPG commercial) in this current game. Plus Yoshi’s crafty world using Yo’ster cookies with I would think the name is owned by Square since they made that island.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!

I'm sorry, but take it from the Yoshi expert here. "Yo'ster Island" is the name given to Yoshi's Island in the Japanese version of Super Mario World. In fact, it's called that in pretty much every iteration in Japan except for the Yoshi's Island titles.

 

[Bob-Omber]

I'm sorry, but take it from the Yoshi expert here. "Yo'ster Island" is the name given to Yoshi's Island in the Japanese version of Super Mario World. In fact, it's called that in pretty much every iteration in Japan except for the Yoshi's Island titles.

But wouldn't using the name of the cookies that are only in mario RPG still mean they are using something from SE

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm not expecting much from another possible Direct. After what happened with Joker in February, I expect all characters to get dedicated showcases, so not hoping anything on the fourth character until Banjo comes out.

Joker was formally revealed at the VGAs though. We've talked about it before but there's really not many major video game related events left this year. Nintendo's all but confirmed to not be making an appearance at the Tokyo Game Show and then we don't have the VGAs until December. With a September Direct, we'll probably either have one in November or December so there's not really too many opportunities left in that regard either and it's been decently established that the chances of 4 and 5 being revealed together is extremely small. Sakurai's recent statement about the budget make me believe that a Smash Direct won't happen so it limits things even more. With everything put together, we basically have 4 months to reveal 2 characters with minimal opportunities to present them.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Like I said guys, this year's September is going to feel like a eternity.

 

[CannonStreak]

Joker was formally revealed at the VGAs though. We've talked about it before but there's really not many major video game related events left this year. Nintendo's all but confirmed to not be making an appearance at the Tokyo Game Show and then we don't have the VGAs until December. With a September Direct, we'll probably either have one in November or December so there's not really too many opportunities left in that regard either and it's been decently established that the chances of 4 and 5 being revealed together is extremely small. Sakurai's recent statement about the budget make me believe that a Smash Direct won't happen so it limits things even more. With everything put together, we basically have 4 months to reveal 2 characters with minimal opportunities to present them.

Well, maybe true, but it's always possible they'll do and announce a DLC based Smash Direct like after they revealed Cloud for Smash 4 in the Nintendo Direct that was some years back. If not, there is the VGAs like you said. Just saying.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Joker was formally revealed at the VGAs though. We've talked about it before but there's really not many major video game related events left this year. Nintendo's all but confirmed to not be making an appearance at the Tokyo Game Show and then we don't have the VGAs until December. With a September Direct, we'll probably either have one in November or December so there's not really too many opportunities left in that regard either and it's been decently established that the chances of 4 and 5 being revealed together is extremely small. Sakurai's recent statement about the budget make me believe that a Smash Direct won't happen so it limits things even more. With everything put together, we basically have 4 months to reveal 2 characters with minimal opportunities to present them.

Well, maybe true, but it's always possible they'll do and announce a DLC based Smash Direct like after they revealed Cloud for Smash 4 in the Nintendo Direct that was some years back. If not, there is the VGAs like you said. Just saying.

Well they did reveal both Corrin and Bayonetta in the Final Smash 4 Presentation so it could happen again with Ultimate.

 

[CannonStreak]

Well they did reveal both Corrin and Bayonetta in the Final Smash 4 Presentation so it could happen again with Ultimate.

Perhaps so. But still, unless they are to announce as second season pass or a bonus character, I doubt they might do a Smash Direct for just one character.

By the way, what other Square Enix characters besides Geno would you want for Smash. We have Cloud and Hero already. I would ask for anything other than Geno except maybe Lara Croft.

 

[JarBear]

I am still more on the nagative side of things, though I want to be proved wrong. Desperately.

With the reveal of the SNES controller that points to SNES being added to the Nintendo online NES (plus SNES) I have this hope:

The direct announces SNES controller with the added games and shows the initial games. We see that RPG is not on the initial list. The announcer says something like “Like the NES library, games will be added to it over time! Look forward to future games being added, despite a certain game has been delayed... but Keep checking back for additional SNES games!”

Strange yay?

At the end of the direct from a black screen we fade into the Forest Maze (in game appearance) and see Geno walking toward the middle with a scroll in the center (think the sunken ship with the clues for the password). Geno walks to it and “picks it up” and above him says “picked up Smash invitation.” He jumps up in the air With his happy cheer and runs out one of the screen. Cue in whatever, I don’t care!! It’s Geno!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Perhaps so. But still, unless they are to announce as second season pass or a bonus character, I doubt they might do a Smash Direct for just one character.

By the way, what other Square Enix characters besides Geno would you want for Smash. We have Cloud and Hero already. I would ask for anything other than Geno except maybe Lara Croft.

Neku Sakuraba, a Bravely Default character, and 2B are among my picks

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Perhaps so. But still, unless they are to announce as second season pass or a bonus character, I doubt they might do a Smash Direct for just one character.

By the way, what other Square Enix characters besides Geno would you want for Smash. We have Cloud and Hero already. I would ask for anything other than Geno except maybe Lara Croft.

If we get a Smash Direct, I'm pretty sure they will reveal both fighters 4 and 5.

But to answer your question: I would also like to see Sephiroth or Crono

 

[Ovaltine]

Perhaps so. But still, unless they are to announce as second season pass or a bonus character, I doubt they might do a Smash Direct for just one character.

By the way, what other Square Enix characters besides Geno would you want for Smash. We have Cloud and Hero already. I would ask for anything other than Geno except maybe Lara Croft.

Literally all I want is Geno. I don't really care for most of SE's properties otherwise. I do love Lara, but strictly classic Lara, not the modern Lara from the last... I dunno, decade-ish? Just... just classic Lara. Nostalgia.

Honestly, in general, all I want is Geno. He's all I'm missing. I can easily do without Shadow. If he can't come into Smash, some revival for him in general is all I could ask for. Something, anything.

 

[CannonStreak]

If we get a Smash Direct, I'm pretty sure they will reveal both fighters 4 and 5.

But to answer your question: I would also like to see Sephiroth or Crono

If you say so.

Chono would be good. I wonder what his voice will be like? That may be an odd question, since he pretty much does not speak in Chrono Trigger, but he doesn't have to speak in Smash, too. Just making some grunts and such would be fine.