Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[StarLight42]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1167866369724964866

Looks like Sakurai was, yet again, a heavy advocate for a DLC character

I think this can only mean good things for Geno

 

[domriver]

Guys, if we don't get Geno announced in the next direct, I will eagerly take Crash or Spyro. I only mention it because the Reignited Trilogy finally comes to Switch this Tuesday and I really like the design of Spyro especially, so it'd be neat to include him.

Note: this has nothing to do with rumors or speculation.

If Geno isn't announced as #4 i think this place will be at a higher anxiety. Of course me to because now its going to be down 1 more DLC and the possibilty of a Bonus character is not certain. Hopefully soon we can get some sort of closure.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1167866369724964866

Looks like Sakurai was, yet again, a heavy advocate for a DLC character

I think this can only mean good things for Geno

I agree it bodes well for Geno.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

They drive around in a giant fishbowl and their combos are fancy tricks.

It's hard to imagine what a good final smash for ecco would be. But I can imagine they'd have a good couple of potential stages, from welcome to the machine, or the tube of medusa. Or heck, even the intro area.

 

[ForsakenM]

1. I would want more characters you wouldn't normally see in a fighting game like Plant, Geno, and Banjo
2. I'm female so I would like to see more female characters

Edit:
Just so we are clear. I wouldn't be upset. People know I have a list of characters I want that are human males (Heavy, Phoenix Wright, Doomguy ect.) That I would be ecstatic for. It would just be nice to have more non-humans you wouldn't normally see in this environment fighting.

I feel that, variety is nice. Like I've mentioned before, variety and diversity at their core are good things. Geno and Spyro fall under that for me.

I'm sorry if I come off like I'm trying to instigate or start ****, but both my IRL experience with real people and the internet sometimes makes me expect the worst from certain opinions or stances. I do my best not to let that affect me and how I judge people but being human makes that hard. It's in our nature to make decisions based off our past experiences.

I also think this is a good example of proving that it's really just that so many characters people like tend to fall under certain demographics. With this particular one, just look at Smash and how many of them are human and male, but also look at how all these characters are loved for basically every other reason. I feel like doing the math, so let's do it!

The characters who fall under this (not counted non-human males nor characters who can be either gender or are a mixed duo) are as follows: . I went with those that seem to represent both being human and being male and being easily identifiable as both by the common eye. I did not include Alph/Olimar because I'm not sure they are human...sorry I don't this as I haven't played Pikmin. This is a total of 27 characters and out of the 76 revealed thus far, that makes it roughly 28% or basically a third of the roster. That is a lot but it's also pretty balanced out with animals or non-humans, females, non-gendered and the like. Even within these 27, there is a lot of variety: you got boys, beefy men, regular men, teens...damn, even angels and other races, and that's not even going into other things like professions!

The big takeaway from this though is that none of these characters were picked because they were human or male: it was because people love them. This is why I encourage people who want certain demographics to be more cherished to create interesting content. Eventually, it will happen, you just gotta not force it and if you can't find the content, make some! This is also why I encourage people to look for more substance in people, as being human or male is the LEAST interesting thing about any of these characters. Sorry I went a little deep there...heh...

EDIT: Whoops, Villager can be either gender. With Villager removed, that makes it 26 out of 76 characters thus far. Also I did my math wrong (been out of school WAY too long) and the original percentage should be 35% and the new one without Villager is 34%. Was still right about it being a third of the roster though.

EDIT 2: Dammit, I somehow missed . This makes it 27 again and 35%.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1167866369724964866

Looks like Sakurai was, yet again, a heavy advocate for a DLC character

I think this can only mean good things for Geno

SAKURAI'S PAINSTAKING EFFORTS STRIKE AGAIN!

IS THERE NO CHARACTER HE CANNOT MAKE GREAT AGAIN?!

MORE ON THIS STORY IN EARLY SEPTEMBER!

 

[BZocky]

I wonder if Mario's star covered conspiracy bow-tie here could be teasing the same thing as the Starling image.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

The stars are green which makes me think Mario Galaxy/3D World but it could also mean other things if it does of course.

 

[StarLight42]

I wonder if Mario's star covered conspiracy bow-tie here could be teasing the same thing as the Starling image.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

The stars are green which makes me think Mario Galaxy/3D World but it could also mean other things if it does of course.

...please tell me this is a joke

 

[Fatmanonice]

Fatmanonice

Did you by any chance get to hear back from the VRPlant leaker?

He's been oddly quiet. Some people think the sudden pressure of being reliable and semi famous might be getting to him. Don't blame him, honestly.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I would take Crash or Spyro just because I don't want the entire fighting pass being human males outside of Banjo.

I don't mind our star boi getting in, but man I am tired of JRPG protagonist humanoid characters.

2. I'm female so I would like to see more female characters

I'm a male and I would like to see more female characters too. Despite us having a good number of them already in Smash, I still think that there isn't enough of them and they are somewhat underrepresented. Just like how the villain side of the roster was underrepresented in Smash 4 so is the female side now with so many popular/iconic female characters not being presented in the roster such as:

Dixie Kong
Krystal
Chun Li
Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Shantae

the list can go on and on.

 

[MisterMike]

I wonder if Mario's star covered conspiracy bow-tie here could be teasing the same thing as the Starling image.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

The stars are green which makes me think Mario Galaxy/3D World but it could also mean other things if it does of course.

Green stars... and forests are green too usually...
GENO CONFIRMED!!1

 

[Deleted member]

I wonder if Mario's star covered conspiracy bow-tie here could be teasing the same thing as the Starling image.

The stars are green which makes me think Mario Galaxy/3D World but it could also mean other things if it does of course.

I doubt this means anything at all but in Super Mario RPG two of the seven stars are Yellow and Green. Almost exactly that shade too but that's stretching it, I doubt it means anything.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Green stars... and forests are green too usually...
GENO CONFIRMED!!1

Super Green Mario Odyssey 3D World.

 

[BZocky]

...please tell me this is a joke

We’ve been using a picture of a bird sitting on a roof for a month as speculation fuel so idk what to think anymore lol

 

[AugustusB]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1167866369724964866

Looks like Sakurai was, yet again, a heavy advocate for a DLC character

I think this can only mean good things for Geno

I especially love that Square suggested the alts. NOT SAKURAI!? My world has been rocked. Although....more alts, more money?

Also, I could see this as potentially good for our boy.

 

[Deleted member]

Guys, if we don't get Geno announced in the next direct, I will eagerly take Crash or Spyro. I only mention it because the Reignited Trilogy finally comes to Switch this Tuesday and I really like the design of Spyro especially, so it'd be neat to include him.

Note: this has nothing to do with rumors or speculation.

You already know how much I'd love for Crash to get in. He'd be such a great fighter and of he ever got in, I'd bawl my eyes out.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1167866369724964866

Looks like Sakurai was, yet again, a heavy advocate for a DLC character

I think this can only mean good things for Geno

So, like Joker, Sakurai was the one to approach SE for Dragon Quest, as well as go through all if the other copyright holders. Not only that but Square suggested the other Hero alts and it seems to imply Nintendo just gave Sakurai a list of characters and he picked 5 he felt could work. Very interesting indeed!

This is one of the reasons why I think Geno can still make it. If he can get Dragon Quest in the game, despite all the legal issues surrounding it, I don't see why he can't get Geno.

 

[StarLight42]

We’ve been using a picture of a bird sitting on a roof for a month as speculation fuel so idk what to think anymore lol

Apples and oranges.


The bird on a roof was from a credible leaker who posted a picture of a bear and bird to hint at Banjo, and a freaking CRAB for Link’s Awakening. Anything goes.

Even the Mario Sunshine tweet made some sort of sense as the image looked superimposed onto a tropical background and the peculiar mentioning of “Sunshine” was of note.

I don’t think either of these are on the level of “Mario’s tie has green stars so 3d world port confirmed”

 

[RetrogamerMax]

We’ve been using a picture of a bird sitting on a roof for a month as speculation fuel so idk what to think anymore lol

I still think of the bird but I also use my

for anything else in speculation otherwise, I will go insane thinking about just one or two characters.

 

[BZocky]

Apples and oranges.


The bird on a roof was from a credible leaker who posted a picture of a bear and bird to hint at Banjo, and a freaking CRAB for Link’s Awakening. Anything goes.

Even the Mario Sunshine tweet made some sort of sense as the image looked superimposed onto a tropical background and the peculiar mentioning of “Sunshine” was of note.

I don’t think either of these are on the level of “Mario’s tie has green stars so 3d world port confirmed”

That’s why I wrote it may mean something else, if anything, which means it could mean nothing, and I could use a break from speculation

 

[Fatmanonice]

The consensus seems to be that there isn't a lot of confidence in Ryu. Main arguments being used were that plenty of people knew about Marx and Pirhana Plant but didn't say anything. People I'm in contact with say that Shifty doesn't have enough of a personal track record to put too much weight into it because, again, nobody else is claiming Ryu at the moment. It could still happen but the odds aren't looking great.

 

[ForsakenM]

I don't mind our star boi getting in, but man I am tired of JRPG protagonist humanoid characters.



I'm a male and I would like to see more female characters too. Despite us having a good number of them already in Smash, I still think that there isn't enough of them and they are somewhat underrepresented. Just like how the villain side of the roster was underrepresented in Smash 4 so is the female side now with so many popular/iconic female characters not being presented in the roster such as:

Dixie Kong
Krystal
Chun Li
Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Shantae

the list can go on and on.

See, this is what I was talking about: I don't believe females are under represented in Smash personally, but let us look at what the hard math says (I did this math before but I never posted it because I was worry about how I would be taken)!

Spoiler: Teh Mathz

Once again, this will not take into consideration characters that can be either gender or those who are part of a mixed duo.

Thus, the female characters in Smash Ultimate are:

Oof, it would seem that the math is kind clear here, as I only count 12 here, meaning the other 64 either fall under one of the categories I mentioned above or are not female at all. Obviously this disparity would look less so if we separated those in duo or either gender categories, but it's clear that at 15% is pretty measly and Smash Ultimate is a male-dominated cast of characters...or is it?

If we look at those who can be either-or, we get: (Pika Libre is Female, so the option is there), for a total of 8 or 10%. Those that are un-gendered are: (Japan is called 'Robot' and the gender is implied to be male but Robots don't really work like that) , which comes out to 13 or 17%. We then have our mixed duos: and , of which there are only three and that makes up about 4%.

Technically speaking, going STRICTLY by gender representation, Smash Ultimate really isn't doing that bad, though the math doesn't lie at roughly 54% of the cast being 100% male. That is still pretty crazy though that about 46% of Smash doesn't fall under male. The more you know! Though, our original goal was just the 100% female representation, and that is still only 15%.

Spoiler: Why I Really Think Smash Has So Few Female Characters

However, if you don't mind me going deeper here, I'd like to explore why that is.

First off, let us look at the original goal of Smash, which was to celebrate Nintendo history. If we were still going by that goal alone, Smash would be doing pretty good by these standards as most of their prominent female characters are already in the game. If we were to drop all 3rd party, not only would we lose only one female rep, BUT that would bump the game up to more around 19% for female cast. Not a huge bump, sure, but going away from the math and more to the list of Nintendo characters that are prominent and female...they've pretty much covered most of their bases and are kinda running out of choices here.

Sure, Dixie Kong and Krystal have been mentioned, but outside of those two (and Krystal wasn't ALWAYS super popular and wasn't ALWAYS demanded for Smash) where else could they really pull from? I'm sure there are areas, but they are in fact running out. Bringing this back into a celebration of gaming as a whole, I would say that there are a number of popular female video game characters to choose from, and R RetrogamerMax named the big ones that come to mind for me...but I disagree with were he said 'The list goes on and on' because...it doesn't.

Facts are facts, and there are more male video game characters than female, and when you look at prominent/iconic/popular characters the disparity gest even bigger...but why is that? Well, I would argue it's because in the short amount of time video games have been around, they were mostly marketed towards males. Thus, it would make sense that to appeal to a male audience, you either have them play as a dude or the woman has to appeal to them...and retro Lara Croft is an example of what they thought appealed...and they weren't totally wrong.

Now, take into consideration the original target audience and the nature of a video game, these being boys/men and being and interactive medium through which to enjoy an experience or entertainment. As human beings, our forms of entertainment often bring us outside and away from our normal lives that we normally consider rather mundane. 'Welp, nerdy guys who aren't experiencing what those jock guys are getting make up a lot of our video game sales' say companies. 'So, why not give them the "male fantasy experience" in a way that no other medium can!'

Now don't get me wrong, not every company is like that or did this, but this is a thing that happened. Now gaming is becoming more and more of an everybody thing, they market is changing and cool female characters are existing...but you can't pull from what doesn't quite exist just yet. I would say that gaming is still in it's fledgling state in this regard due to being around for a lesser time than nearly every other medium and this we just need to spend more time to let it grow in this new environment. Thus, it's not so much that Smash Ultimate is under-representing female characters, but that the video game industry as a whole is still growing in terms of having prominent female characters and thus Smash only has so much to pull from.

Wow...sorry, I went really deep again.

I guess I really care about video games and how people look at them?

Idk.

 

[MattX20]

The consensus seems to be that there isn't a lot of confidence in Ryu. Main arguments being used were that plenty of people knew about Marx and Pirhana Plant but didn't say anything. People I'm in contact with say that Shifty doesn't have enough of a personal track record to put too much weight into it because, again, nobody else is claiming Ryu at the moment. It could still happen but the odds aren't looking great.

And I'm guessing the consensus is also that Overwatch is coming to the Switch, but nothing beyond that

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Main arguments being used were that plenty of people knew about Marx and Pirhana Plant but didn't say anything.

Sounds like a pretty convenient excuse to know about Marx and Piranha Plant but not say anything.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I don't think any characters are likely right now. Unlike hero and banjo having their names floating around a year in advance. We've had no names float around since E3 if you don't count Ryu. So we've been running around in circles. As far as I am concerned. Every videogame character out there has a chance of appearing in the next direct.

 

[Icewolff92]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1167866369724964866

Looks like Sakurai was, yet again, a heavy advocate for a DLC character

I think this can only mean good things for Geno

How does this really help Geno? They are talking about how passionate and knowledgeable he is about DQ. That's it

 

[GenoToto]

I don't think any characters are likely right now. Unlike hero and banjo having their names floating around a year in advance. We've had no names float around since E3 if you don't count Ryu. So we've been running around in circles. As far as I am concerned. Every videogame character out there has a chance of appearing in the next direct.

I will say, at least from my perspective, there have been at least three names which were constantly being circulated near or around me online;

#1 - The Doom Slayer, or Doomguy, or Doom Marine. Either way, this has been a very common name I've seen thrown around. Mostly, I think, due to how Bethesda made a short little quip about talking to Nintendo about Smash, and that was about it.

#2 - Frisk, or "The Human". I see this one thrown around a lot (sometimes with Sans, but lately, with the human protagonist instead), and it stands to reason that most folks I talk to expect this entry due to the fact that they really, really expect to see an Indie representative. Considering Shovel Knight is guest-starring as an Assist, the only other two people seem to expect are Hollow Knight, or Frisk from Undertale. Whether we're even guaranteed an Indie rep is, of course, still up in the air.

#3 - Ryu Hayabusa. I've mostly seen this one thrown around because people supposedly leaked it before the game launched, and others suggest it's inevitable because of the history on NES, coupled with a Koei Tecmo assist already being present in the game.

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If we were going to get a character for certain, based literally only on through-the-grapevine/watercooler talk, I'd put money on one of these three in particular. Of course, Geno will still be my main (and honestly, final) big wish for this entry in the Smash series, but if we're talking general probability for one of the DLC spots, I'd say that I'm pretty sure one of the aforementioned is possible.

 

[Deleted member]

I will say, at least from my perspective, there have been at least three names which were constantly being circulated near or around me online;

#1 - The Doom Slayer, or Doomguy, or Doom Marine. Either way, this has been a very common name I've seen thrown around. Mostly, I think, due to how Bethesda made a short little quip about talking to Nintendo about Smash, and that was about it.

#2 - Frisk, or "The Human". I see this one thrown around a lot (sometimes with Sans, but lately, with the human protagonist instead), and it stands to reason that most folks I talk to expect this entry due to the fact that they really, really expect to see an Indie representative. Considering Shovel Knight is guest-starring as an Assist, the only other two people seem to expect are Hollow Knight, or Frisk from Undertale. Whether we're even guaranteed an Indie rep is, of course, still up in the air.

#3 - Ryu Hayabusa. I've mostly seen this one thrown around because people supposedly leaked it before the game launched, and others suggest it's inevitable because of the history on NES, coupled with a Koei Tecmo assist already being present in the game.

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If we were going to get a character for certain, based literally only on through-the-grapevine/watercooler talk, I'd put money on one of these three in particular. Of course, Geno will still be my main (and honestly, final) big wish for this entry in the Smash series, but if we're talking general probability for one of the DLC spots, I'd say that I'm pretty sure one of the aforementioned is possible.

I have always and still do believe that an indie rep is totally out of the question for one of two (or both) of these reasons:
1. They're typically a spiritual copy of a well known gaming icon, born from a desire for gameplay big developers aren't giving us anymore
2. They just don't carry the kind of clout it takes to make it into Smash.

Assist trophies or trophies/spirits are fair game, of course.

I talk about "clout" like the roster isn't nearly 10 percent interchangeable Fire Emblem lords...

 

[StarLight42]

How does this really help Geno? They are talking about how passionate and knowledgeable he is about DQ. That's it

Gee. What a big coincidence that a series Sakurai is “passionate and knowledgeable” about is one that apparently “Nintendo” picked for DLC.

Same goes for Joker.

I don't think any characters are likely right now. Unlike hero and banjo having their names floating around a year in advance. We've had no names float around since E3 if you don't count Ryu. So we've been running around in circles. As far as I am concerned. Every videogame character out there has a chance of appearing in the next direct.

This is revisionism. No one ever thought Banjo was likely until the Shinobi post. In fact, I was 99% sure Steve was getting in instead.

 

[Deleted member]

This is revisionism. No one ever thought Banjo was likely until the Shinobi post. In fact, I was 99% sure Steve was getting in instead.

edit: phonepost...

Anyway, "Erdrick" was getting tossed around for what feels like a century. Banjo was a fan favorite, but not really speculated on outside of big Papa.

 

[Icewolff92]

Gee. What a big coincidence that a series Sakurai is “passionate and knowledgeable” about is one that apparently “Nintendo” picked for DLC.

Same goes for Joker.

Then why did we get Banjo & Kazooie then and not Minecraft Steve since he is a big fan of Minecraft but (at least not publicly) not a big fan of the Banjo & Kazooie series if Sakurai bias is somethin worth looking at? Plus, going by this logic, we could/will get Sora instead since he is a huge Kingdom Hearts fan.

 

[Deleted member]

Then why did we get Banjo & Kazooie then and not Minecraft Steve since he is a big fan of Minecraft but (at least not publicly) not a big fan of the Banjo & Kazooie series if Sakurai bias is somethin worth looking at? Plus, going by this logic, we could/will get Sora instead since he is a huge Kingdom Hearts fan.

Bruh moment.

When has Sakurai said that he was a huge Kingdom Hearts fan? and even if he was he'd probably take the character he's been wanting to put in Smash for a decade over the main character of a franchise he's a fan of. Sakurai knows how big Geno's popularity is and has been wanting to add him in since Brawl.

If we were to get another SE character I have faith in that it would probably be Geno.

 

[GenoToto]

If I can be perfectly honest here, the way that Sakurai makes his selections has never once seemed to be incredibly consistent to me, so while we could debate the possibilities and discuss the true rules that indicate this or that, his passion meaning Character A is a lock, or a history makes Character B a lock, etc, and so on, I'm all-too certain that there really is no real "rule" in place, short of the one that very succinctly states that only characters originating from video games have any real shot at getting into the roster.

Otherwise, I feel like the runaway train that is aggressive theorizing when the rules seem so malleable and ambiguous can only make things more unnecessarily tense for all of us.

 

[StarLight42]

Then why did we get Banjo & Kazooie then and not Minecraft Steve since he is a big fan of Minecraft but (at least not publicly) not a big fan of the Banjo & Kazooie series if Sakurai bias is somethin worth looking at? Plus, going by this logic, we could/will get Sora instead since he is a huge Kingdom Hearts fan.

What? How do you even know if Sakurai is a fan of Banjo and Kazooie or not? Even if he didn’t, how do you know he didn’t add them with the intent of pleasing fans? Your argument makes no sense.

 

[Icewolff92]

Bruh moment.

When has Sakurai said that he was a huge Kingdom Hearts fan? and even if he was he'd probably take the character he's been wanting to put in Smash for a decade over the main character of a franchise he's a fan of. Sakurai knows how big Geno's popularity is and has been wanting to add him in since Brawl.

If we were to get another SE character I have faith in that it would probably be Geno.

I think we are getting Geno if another SE too. But taking that tweet as a sign is a reach in my book
https://twitter.com/allsourcegaming/status/849645171490799616
There was a recent interview too, but I can¨t find it...

What? How do you even know if Sakurai is a fan of Banjo and Kazooie or not? Even if he didn’t, how do you know he didn’t add them with the intent of pleasing fans? Your argument makes no sense.

First off. No, I don¨´t, because he has not been public about it like with Geno, DQ, and Minecraft. And yes, you are more than likely right that it was to pleasing fans. HOWEVER, your argument that this tweet was a sign for Geno was because it mentioned Sakurais love of that franchise. That's why I pointed out BK, because thats (at least officially) breaks the pattern you claimed where there

 

[N3ON]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1167866369724964866

Looks like Sakurai was, yet again, a heavy advocate for a DLC character

I think this can only mean good things for Geno

I don't think it helps Geno if it proves Sakurai is passionate and proactive about other Square series. Theoretically he could be more passionate about a bunch of characters that were unknown previously, which only comes to light after they make it to Smash. Either he doesn't care about Geno as much as people think, or the fact that he cares about the character doesn't inhibit his ability to still prioritize other characters/series.

I mean Sakurai apparently attempted to include Geno in Brawl, and since then has included two other, different characters from Square. Who knows how many more he cares about or sees merit in? This time last year there was no fervour around DQ. Barely anyone gave Cloud the time of day beforehand.

What would be better for Geno's chances is if they put the entire impetus for Hero's inclusion on Nintendo instead of sharing how much Sakurai cared about this series. Cause that, theoretically, is just a card they can keep playing while all the while having the fanbase go, "it bodes well!".

 

[Fatmanonice]

Sounds like a pretty convenient excuse to know about Marx and Piranha Plant but not say anything.

Well, not publically. I've been shown the backlogs of a number of conversations that show proof that people knew about both along with all the ATs as far back as last September. The Source ™ knew along with Vergeben among others, it's just that they weren't blasting it.

 

[MattX20]

I don't think it helps Geno if it proves Sakurai is passionate and proactive about other Square series. Theoretically he could be more passionate about a bunch of characters that were unknown previously, which only comes to light after they make it to Smash. Either he doesn't care about Geno as much as people think, or the fact that he cares about the character doesn't inhibit his ability to still prioritize other characters/series.

I mean Sakurai apparently attempted to include Geno in Brawl, and since then has included two other, different characters from Square. Who knows how many more he cares about or sees merit in? This time last year there was no fervour around DQ. Barely anyone gave Cloud the time of day beforehand.

What would be better for Geno's chances is if they put the entire impetus for Hero's inclusion on Nintendo instead of sharing how much Sakurai cared about this series. Cause that, theoretically, is just a card they can keep playing while all the while having the fanbase go, "it bodes well!".

Sakurai has also mentioned quite clearly in the Nintendo Dream interview where they discussed the Mii Fighter costume that Geno has always gotten a lot of requests for Smash. I seriously doubt he would mention that, or say Geno would be great if not perfect for Smash if he wasn't even a little enthusiastic.

 

[wynn728]

Sakurai has also mentioned quite clearly in the Nintendo Dream interview where they discussed the Mii Fighter costume that Geno has always gotten a lot of requests for Smash. I seriously doubt he would mention that, or say Geno would be great if not perfect for Smash if he wasn't even a little enthusiastic.

Well it would be bad PR if Sakurai said he never really wanted to include Geno but wanted to give something minimal to the fans because of the request. Action speaks louder than words, so if Geno ain't Fighter #4 or #5 then I think Sakurai doesn't really care.

 

[GenoToto]

Well it would be bad PR if Sakurai said he never really wanted to include Geno but wanted to give something minimal to the fans because of the request. Action speaks louder than words, so if Geno ain't Fighter #4 or #5 then I think Sakurai doesn't really care.

I genuinely don't think this is a matter of 'Sakurai doesn't care'. If anything, that will just mean that even he was unable to make the idea come to fruition due to factors outside of his control. He can only do so much if the other party involved just does not want to lend their intellectual property.

Of course, the other side of the coin, Sakurai did the costume and he was happy only doing that, but just going off his track record throughout the Smash series, the man hurts himself to get this stuff done in the best quality he can afford, so I can't really see this being the true outcome.

 

[ForsakenM]

Jesus, what is with all these attitudes about Geno being bonus DLC at best? I thought I squashed those a week ago?

Sigh...

Guys, Geno is TOTALLY worth a Fighter's Pass slot. Y'all need some of the BDE. Have confidence in your boy being worthy of a slot.

Look, I know I was down in the dumps not that long ago. It happens. I still have this nagging fear that there are characters we aren't expecting coming up soon, characters that aren't any that anyone is talking about. Something absolutely nutty...but not Geno. That doesn't mean we can't think highly of our boy.

What about him makes him less like to be in the pass than anyone else?

Go ahead, name them! I'll debunk them on the fly.

 

[Ovaltine]

Jesus, what is with all these attitudes about Geno being bonus DLC at best? I thought I squashed those a week ago?

Sigh...

Guys, Geno is TOTALLY worth a Fighter's Pass slot. Y'all need some of the BDE. Have confidence in your boy being worthy of a slot.

Look, I know I was down in the dumps not that long ago. It happens. I still have this nagging fear that there are characters we aren't expecting coming up soon, characters that aren't any that anyone is talking about. Something absolutely nutty...but not Geno. That doesn't mean we can't think highly of our boy.

What about him makes him less like to be in the pass than anyone else?

Go ahead, name them! I'll debunk them on the fly.

He poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague unto our houses.

 

[GenoToto]

What about him makes him less like to be in the pass than anyone else?

Go ahead, name them! I'll debunk them on the fly.

As far as I recall, the only real thing preventing Geno from being a Fighter's Pass inclusion is the main fact that Nintendo discussed only including series or franchises that have never been represented in the Smash series before. Geno would technically count as the first Mario RPG-based character, but as far as Super Mario is concerned, that series is represented by a wide margin already. If this is the standard that they themselves are keeping to, seeing him as a main DLC entry would run counter to the mission statement that was initially promised from the beginning.