Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[GenoToto]

Based on what I'm hearing, and based on the information in regards to the Starling picture (the predator of the starling in particular being translated to "Hayabusa" in Japanese, which is roundabout, sure, but can only be determined if you use the particular species of bird needed to link the predator in question), it seems likely we'll be seeing Ryu H. in the next week or so. Or, at the very least, for Smash DLC #4.

I, myself, am not suuuper keen on it, admittedly. If true, this kinda means that out of five characters, we have three anime-esque humanoid characters to play with, none of which are particularly my style, so to speak. However, kudos to anybody who's wanted Ryu to take part in the fray -- given that he does have the history he does, it's all too understandable as to why he'd be a pick. And, yeah, we hadn't gotten anything really for Koei-Tecmo, either, so this only makes more sense.

Raising my glass to those fans in particular, assuming this pick exists. And raising a glass to DLC #5, whoever that may be.

 

[Ovaltine]

I could easily see Hayabusa being #4, but if such is the case, I sincerely don't think he's the starling hint. I dunno. I'm starting to think that, IF Shifty is right, the starling isn't related to Smash at all.

 

[UberMadman]

Until I start hearing anything that corroborates Shifty, I’m going to be skeptical on Ryu Hayabusa. However, his opinion is not one that can be ignored, given the fact that he had a source tell him about Piranha Plant. I know that he hasn’t gotten anything right since DLC came out, but has he made any other definitive statements like this since the launch of the game?

 

[Ovaltine]

As a warning in advance, we don't know if we're getting any bonus DLC at all, and as things stand now, if Hayabusa is, indeed, our next rep, we'll only have one character left... and still no Geno, which is a huge oof. My hopes rocketed through the roof once that Mii costume was omitted, but now I'm not so sure. This week has just been bad news bears for me with this darned hurricane and my hope for Geno plummeting. Whoof.

Hang in there, guys. Remember, if he doesn't make it, we need to keep fighting. Don't quiet down. Get louder.

 

[GenoToto]

I could easily see Hayabusa being #4, but if such is the case, I sincerely don't think he's the starling hint. I dunno. I'm starting to think that, IF Shifty is right, the starling isn't related to Smash at all.

It really is odd, though, considering that the hint could only then be related to:

A - An upcoming game or IP that has already existed before whatever new iteration of it is about to come out, or

B - An unknown IP that nobody has heard of before, and thus, something that would redact the value of a hint for people to guess if people can't guess the thing they've never heard of before.

... And discounting any notion of B being the correct answer, what on earth could it be if A is what the hint is for? If they're supposed to be somewhat on-the-nose clues, it's very strange that we're still having issues determining what exactly the picture is alluding to.

Or... there is an option C, wherein, 'the hint has been a wild goose chase from the beginning with no value or relevance', but I strongly believe that this is not the case at all, and that the person in question isn't liable to do something like that. Based on what I know, they don't pull those pranks.

EDIT: Or, actually, Option D, which is that the Starling hint only works when it's paired up with another picture that we don't know about yet, but even then, those that do have access to the other pictures haven't had success in that field, either. But, I think this is likely the main point that may be correct. Whether that still dictates it as Smash related or not, though, is still up in the air.

 

[helloiamhere]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_video_games

Ninja Gaiden both feels odd yet natural. It's one of the few NES series not in Smash that is around today, but the series was never as popular as Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy or Megaman back then, as you can see from the list (it's not even in the top 75 best selling NES games).

Definitely would be the STREET FIGHTER Ryu of the pack, fitting yet I wouldn't care much for it.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Looked around and Shifty is the only person who has heard Ryu. I will say that, based on what people are saying, the chances of #4 coming in this Direct are pretty high though but nobody seems to agree on who it is. Apparently this is because Nintendo's jimmies were extra rustled at E3 and they have a vast majority of their info on extreme lockdown now.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Who all are being speculated besides Ryu?

Looked around and Shifty is the only person who has heard Ryu. I will say that, based on what people are saying, the chances of #4 coming in this Direct are pretty high though but nobody seems to agree on who it is. Apparently this is because Nintendo's jimmies were extra rustled at E3 and they have a vast majority of their info on extreme lockdown now.

 

[Loog]

Spoiler

Looked around and Shifty is the only person who has heard Ryu. I will say that, based on what people are saying, the chances of #4 coming in this Direct are pretty high though but nobody seems to agree on who it is. Apparently this is because Nintendo's jimmies were extra rustled at E3 and they have a vast majority of their info on extreme lockdown now.

Are you refering when banjo got leaked?

 

[GenoToto]

Are you refering when banjo got leaked?

I would say not just Banjo, but Hero as well. While not too big a deal for the most part on our shore, that's definitely a secret they would have wanted under lock & key, and then some, for the people in Japan. And while the nature of Hero as a collective entity of multiple heroes wasn't really known, Erdrick was absolutely known about way in advance. I remember talk about a Square rep since around the time the DLC pack was first confirmed, and we'd already figured someone from Square was going to be in.

A major star in Japan leaking earlier, a major star in the US leaking early -- honestly, both of these being known before the E3 drop would've been enough to ruffle Nintendo's feathers.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Are you refering when banjo got leaked?

Although not confirmed I think Sabi threatening to leak the entire E3 presentation really got under Nintendo's skin, especially with how she more or less successfully leaked every other press conference. I think that's why they made a big public spectacle about it.

 

[MattX20]

Yeah, I think Nintendo is desperately trying to keep #4's identity under wraps for this one. That, and using the logic of a starling's predator to confirm Ryu Hayabusa is a really big stretch to say the least. Hawks/falcons are the birds frequently associated with Ninja Gaiden (aka the bane of many a player's existance), so I seriously doubt it.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd like to say I think it's funny people are believing the Google theory because one rando says Ryu Hayabusa (who had been a speculated character for 4, in some circles) but forget that even under the remarkably strict conditions that Google theory required to work, we don't have slots left for Ryu, Artorius, Doom Guy, and Spongebob.

I'm of the opinion that if we don't get every character Google theory ever managed to produce, it was a "fake" based on a misunderstanding of how the search algorithm works.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I also think leaks are the reason why the Direct is more than likely coming this week. Like Emily said, I can confirm it was originally planned for the second week of September based on a couple of sources. My guess on why this changed? Nintendo's pissed about the Overwatch leak and is trying to close the flood gates before more gets out.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I also think leaks are the reason why the Direct is more than likely coming this week. Like Emily said, I can confirm it was originally planned for the second week of September based on a couple of sources. My guess on why this changed? Nintendo's pissed about the Overwatch leak and is trying to close the flood gates before more gets out.

Honestly would be kinda weird for them to go that paranoid because Overwatch got leaked. It's a game we all played before on PC and two other consoles. It's going to be the exact same game more then likely just on the switch.

.....unless they have bigger plans for the brand. cheers love

 

[Loog]

I also think leaks are the reason why the Direct is more than likely coming this week. Like Emily said, I can confirm it was originally planned for the second week of September based on a couple of sources. My guess on why this changed? Nintendo's pissed about the Overwatch leak and is trying to close the flood gates before more gets out.

that makes sense. Just wondering, how come sabi is still able to talk about nintendo stuff despite what happened with E3.

 

[MattX20]

Honestly would be kinda weird for them to go that paranoid because Overwatch got leaked. It's a game we all played before on PC and two other consoles. It's going to be the exact same game more then likely just on the switch.

.....unless they have bigger plans for the brand. cheers love

More than likely it's because it's a 3rd party title and that's it. I don't think we're getting much beyond the Switch port and that case frankly.

 

[GenoToto]

Honestly would be kinda weird for them to go that paranoid because Overwatch got leaked. It's a game we all played before on PC and two other consoles. It's going to be the exact same game more then likely just on the switch.

.....unless they have bigger plans for the brand. cheers love

Honestly, when it comes to things like that, it's far more about pleasing investors and preventing legal infringement of certain contracts. I don't think it's the potential leak of the game itself coming to Switch, but rather the potential loss in revenue/investor faith, and/or legal troubles that breaking NDAs and the like can cause that would have Nintendo fiery and on-edge like that. When you involve third parties, there's a bunch of stuff that can go wrong behind-the-scenes if things don't stay disclosed as expected.

 

[Fatmanonice]

that makes sense. Just wondering, how come sabi is still able to talk about nintendo stuff despite what happened with E3.

The loophole that she's discussing """"""""""""rumors"""'"'''"" and not outright leaking things like she used to.

 

[Mikegamer0608]

I also think leaks are the reason why the Direct is more than likely coming this week. Like Emily said, I can confirm it was originally planned for the second week of September based on a couple of sources. My guess on why this changed? Nintendo's pissed about the Overwatch leak and is trying to close the flood gates before more gets out.

Or possibly because Tokyo Game Show starts in the second week of September and they probably don't want to do a big presentation while that big convention is going on.

 

[StarLight42]

Or possibly because Tokyo Game Show starts in the second week of September and they probably don't want to do a big presentation while that big convention is going on.

This. We always get a Nindirect before TGS

 

[GenoToto]

The thought occurs to me that a possible reason it's been such a drought of information lately, and that we aren't privy to potential details such as leaked fighters like we were for Hero or Banjo, might be because of this intensely strict behavior on Nintendo's part to prevent anything from getting out as easily. At least, in my previous experience over the past year or so, there is usually a common thread swimming in-between all the fake-outs and such that most people are able to clue in on by this point in the cycle.

Thank goodness, though, that we're about to get a chunk of information soon. Hopefully that'll give us some stuff to chew on without essentially living off of scraps, so to speak - especially if there's anything that would be relevant to this thread in particular..

 

[MattX20]

Here's my whole take on the starling image. As said before, the source made it clear the bird species does matter, and I think we're not supposed to take just the star portion of the word, I think we're supposed to take the whole word into account. The suffix -ling means small or tiny when applied to other nouns like duckling or halfling. That, and while I can see Ovaltine's logic over Jill, Jill herself isn't tiny, she's a pretty decently sized grown woman. That, and Tracer was just a pilot for a jet, not a spaceship, nor is she small. So, my guess it's a character associated with stars, but is smaller in stature.

 

[Ura]

Fatmanonice

Did you by any chance get to hear back from the VRPlant leaker?

 

[MisterMike]

So I'm considering making a video regarding Geno in Smash and I was wondering if there's a list anywhere with all of our potential evidence and ideas. I'd want to be as thorough with it as possible, and while I know a good deal of what's been discussed, I feel I may be missing something...

Yeah, I think Nintendo is desperately trying to keep #4's identity under wraps for this one. That, and using the logic of a starling's predator to confirm Ryu Hayabusa is a really big stretch to say the least. Hawks/falcons are the birds frequently associated with Ninja Gaiden (aka the bane of many a player's existance), so I seriously doubt it.

Exactly. And it's this reasoning that makes me doubtful of this starling image having anything to do with Jill Valentine or Resident Evil in general. While the pun still works, it's more removed compared to Geno. As Occam's Razor states, the simplest answer is ususally the most correct.
Starling ==> Star(Star)-Ling(Small) ==> Geno
Starling ==> Star(remove -ling) ==> S.T.A.R.S. ==> Jill
Also, starlings don't have much of a relation to the Resident Evil series as far as bird species go. Crows are much more frequently represented, so if it were an RE character, Jill or otherwise, you'd think that's what the image would be of.

 

[DaxMasterix]

What about a new The Legendary Starfy game, or the Remastered Trilogy or smt

 

[Cuzeba123]

Since geese are historically already quite territorial and violent and loud, all you need to do is swap out the Rathalos Assist Trophy model for that of the Goose, and then simply let it run wild. A perfect fit if I ever saw one.

Think of the Isabelle AT glitch happening with this

 

[RetrogamerMax]

When you consider the fact that Sm4sh had 7 DLC characters and Ultimate only has 6, it really does make you wonder if more are on the way.

I agree. I honestly don't count Piranha Plant as a DLC character anyways as he was probably meant for the base game as he is the only DLC character to receive a Palutena's Guidance codex. In my mind, Piranha Plant is a base game character.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Guys, if we don't get Geno announced in the next direct, I will eagerly take Crash or Spyro. I only mention it because the Reignited Trilogy finally comes to Switch this Tuesday and I really like the design of Spyro especially, so it'd be neat to include him.

Note: this has nothing to do with rumors or speculation.

 

[GenoToto]

Guys, if we don't get Geno announced in the next direct, I will eagerly take Crash or Spyro. I only mention it because the Reignited Trilogy finally comes to Switch this Tuesday and I really like the design of Spyro especially, so it'd be neat to include him.

Note: this has nothing to do with rumors or speculation.

You know, I was thinking about that whole "Putt-Putt" troll yesterday, and if you discount the "mech" part, Spyro is a purple thing that has an animal companion, aka Sparx the Dragonfly. If the reason "mech" was part of the discussion was because Spyro's going to be racing in the CTR videogame soon, that would be a pretty interesting way to veil a legitimate leak.

It's a bit of a reach, and I know that. But, it's still fun to speculate about.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Guys, if we don't get Geno announced in the next direct, I will eagerly take Crash or Spyro. I only mention it because the Reignited Trilogy finally comes to Switch this Tuesday and I really like the design of Spyro especially, so it'd be neat to include him.

Note: this has nothing to do with rumors or speculation.

I would take Crash or Spyro just because I don't want the entire fighting pass being human males outside of Banjo.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Fatmanonice

Did you by any chance get to hear back from the VRPlant leaker?

as far as I know, VRPlant only talks to PapaGenos.

 

[wynn728]

Ryu is just underwhelming enough to be believable. That said, now is not the time to lose hope. Despite what wynn728 would have you believe, we still have a stake in this game.

Doesn't matter what I convince people to believe, everything is already decided. Not like Geno is going to be taken out just because I show the possibility of him not happening.

 

[ForsakenM]

So I want to go over some things here.

• Shifty is not really credible. Much like how people remembered Tansut leaked Cloud, people remember Shifty saying things but so far I haven't seen any proof that what he said wasn't something already being discussed beforehand. Remember that only Sabi, Vergeben (kinda), SourceTM and VRPlant are worth anyone's time.
• Stop. Believing. Google. Theory. Even if we get Ryu Hayabusa AND Doom Guy/Doom Slayer, that wouldn't 'prove' Google Theory as the whole basis of Google Theory is set on a lack of understanding on how search engines and the internet works. So stop it. To quote a favorite commercial of mine...
  Spoiler: That's Not How This Works
• I want to reiterate an interesting thought about Sakurai talking about a 'lack of budget.' Remember how they had a surplus? Rather than focus on how it might have not been a big amount of surplus and now they are running out of money, I'd like to take a different angle: what if the lack of budget isn't because the budget was small or Hero/B&K were expensive, but because they had the opportunity to get something else to happen outside of the Fighter's Pass and now to make that happen they had to cut back on giving suped-up gameplay reveal videos? While it could easily be other reasons, this could also be true. If Geno DOES end up getting in as a bonus because of this reason...I think we will have a lot to be grateful for and should express it even more so than we would if Geno was just part of the pass. Sakurai working harder and making cuts and the whole team doing all this just to make Geno possible? I'll cry ten times harder.
• Not to say we can't talk about leaks here, but can we seriously get a grip on what triggers us? It feels like any time anyone makes any fake leak based off of anything, we lose our **** every time as a Smash community as a whole. Overwatch maybe coming to Switch? TRACER CONFIRM?! Random guy with no confirmed history and the popular leakers doubt him? RYU HAYABUSA CONFIRMED?! This is why I love the guy who trolled everyone making them think it was D.va or Susie then it was Dora the Explorer and now it's Putt-Putt. He is making fun of the Smash community as well as the leak community and it's great. Anyway, calm down and stop assuming everything is about Smash.
• Even bigger deal, can we stop hating on characters we don't want and the fans that do want them? I have nothing against characters like Sora and Tracer, I just have things against the devs of their games, and thus I would never hate on Sorafan2002 or AlreadyTracer365 because of their want for their character in Smash. I think Tracer would be cool with time-wimey stuff and I KNOW Sora would be a crazy bomb-ass character, but I just would rather have Geno, which is fine. People can want who they want and hating them or the character is stupid and lame. Don't be a dork, and even more importantly, don't be the people to make the Geno fansbase look bad. Even now that one Shantae fan still tarnished the fanbase in my eyes since it's the first thing I think of.
• There is a difference between hating and explaining why you don't want a character. Even if the explanation is 'I don't like the character' or 'I've had bad experiences in the past with that character's fanbase' and nothing more substantial than that...that is fine, but that is as far as it should go. I think we should be able to talk about non-Geno characters here due to us kinda discussing all of what could possibly be discussed about Geno and SMRPG, but we need to make sure we don't hate on other fanbases. Too much of that going on as it is,
• In the event that Geno doesn't happen and Smash gets no more content, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF SAKURAI DO NOT FREAK OUT AND GO ON A RAMPAGE. I get it, I really do: some of us have been asking and waiting for more Geno/SMRPG official content for over a decade and have been met with a whopping goose egg. It's frustrating. It feels like everyone else gets nice things yet we get the short end of the stick every time. Don't let it eat at you. Sure, you can be upset, but channel that into showing Square Enix and Nintendo how much we want the return of that classic that changed our lives since 1996 and disappeared into the abyss because Papa Nintendo and Momma Squaresoft couldn't play nice anymore. SMRPG is the child that Nintendo hasn't been able to see for 13 years and Squaresoft changed as a person in that time, now going by the name Square Enix after her second marriage. They've seen each other now and again, but now they have rekindled a relationship that is healthy. Nintendo has a lot of other children to take care of, but we've reminded them both of that child we miss the most! KEEP MAKING NOISE!

I have no idea why I made divorce analogy out of this, but I did so **** it I guess I'll post it here.

Guys, if we don't get Geno announced in the next direct, I will eagerly take Crash or Spyro. I only mention it because the Reignited Trilogy finally comes to Switch this Tuesday and I really like the design of Spyro especially, so it'd be neat to include him.

Note: this has nothing to do with rumors or speculation.

You know what, you just made me realize how much I want Spyro in Smash. I keep saying that I don't really have big picks so I fill up my Top 10 with those of my fellow Smash Bros....Bros? I grew up playing ALL the Spyro games up until after Year of the Dragonfly and then I guess I just moved on or something. I hated the new takes on his design and some of the new lore, but Reignited felt like a love letter just to me...and I only got to play the first game since I was playing at a friend's house. Ripto's Rage and Year of the Dragon are much more nostalgic for me and I can only imagine how hard it would hit me to play those on Reignited. I remember hopping into the first world in the first game and just sitting there and nearly crying as I took it all in.

So yeah, I want what PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royal couldn't give me. I want Spyro in Smash!

I would take Crash or Spyro just because I don't want the entire fighting pass being human males outside of Banjo.

This is a bit of a weird comment. What is so wrong with human male characters? Is it just that there are a lot of them in Smash?

I can understand being bored but this is really dumbing the characters down to their basic identity. Joker is the leader of the Phantom Thieves of Heart. DQ Crew has all sorts of magic and ability. Also, there have only been two human males in this DLC thus far, the others being a gender-less plant and mother****ing Banjo and Kazooie (I may never get over this)!

 

[N3ON]

I also think leaks are the reason why the Direct is more than likely coming this week. Like Emily said, I can confirm it was originally planned for the second week of September based on a couple of sources. My guess on why this changed? Nintendo's pissed about the Overwatch leak and is trying to close the flood gates before more gets out.

Emily didn't say the date changed from the second week to the first, she said she believes it's the first week, but the date may have changed since hearing that. I doubt the veracity of claims it was ever the second week, considering, as she (and... some others) have stated, they wouldn't air it concurrently during TGS.

 

[MissingGlitch]

This is a bit of a weird comment. What is so wrong with human male characters? Is it just that there are a lot of them in Smash?

1. I would want more characters you wouldn't normally see in a fighting game like Plant, Geno, and Banjo
2. I'm female so I would like to see more female characters

Edit:
Just so we are clear. I wouldn't be upset. People know I have a list of characters I want that are human males (Heavy, Phoenix Wright, Doomguy ect.) That I would be ecstatic for. It would just be nice to have more non-humans you wouldn't normally see in this environment fighting.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Doesn't matter what I convince people to believe, everything is already decided. Not like Geno is going to be taken out just because I show the possibility of him not happening.

I'm all for acknowledging the possibility that he might not make it, but you tend to flat out assume the worst, and tell everyone else that that's what's gonna happen. It's what we call an assumption. I'm well aware that nothing we discuss will change the inevitable outcome for better or worse, but speculation gets boring when you simply assume that bad things will happen, to the exclusion of all else.

 

[Kremling Kommander]

Guys, if we don't get Geno announced in the next direct, I will eagerly take Crash or Spyro. I only mention it because the Reignited Trilogy finally comes to Switch this Tuesday and I really like the design of Spyro especially, so it'd be neat to include him.

Note: this has nothing to do with rumors or speculation.

I would love for Crash to get in, he’s definitely in my top 3 most wanted along with Geno and Bandanna Dee.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

1. I would want more characters you wouldn't normally see in a fighting game like Plant, Geno, and Banjo
2. I'm female so I would like to see more female characters

Edit:
Just so we are clear. I wouldn't be upset. People know I have a list of characters I want that are human males (Heavy, Phoenix Wright, Doomguy ect.) That I would be ecstatic for. It would just be nice to have more non-humans you wouldn't normally see in this environment fighting.

Ecco the dolphin is gonna be the WTF pick for this DLC. guaranteed.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Ecco the dolphin is gonna be the WTF pick for this DLC. guaranteed.

They drive around in a giant fishbowl and their combos are fancy tricks.