Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[OptimisticStrifer]

*COMES IN FOR ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY*
*SEE'S PEOPLE DEFENDING VIC*
*NOPE. JPEG*

 

[link2702]

That's never been proven true. He's suing funimation for defamation for a reason.

Maybe not, but it also hasn’t been proven not to be true.

With the amount of accusations against him funimation made the only logical decision in this day and age. It might have been different if it was one isolated case, but multiple ones?

 

[Vector Victor]

After someone linked TvTropes here (which is a pretty EVIL thing to do), I stumbled across the Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things page. Wow, did that page annoy, shock and depress the heck out of me. So many things ruined because of jerk 'fans.' And not from a forum member being rude to another forum member, but people attacking creators with repetitious already answered questions or just being rude.

That was my concern what would happen with the focus on that starling picture. There were points where it was getting too obsessive.

If Geno is made playable, I hope a thank you letter goes out like what the K Rool thread did. That was a serious bright spot during the smash fanbase's impatient jackass attitude during short Ultimate's short development time.

 

[T2by4]

So I started doing some research on Vic Mignogna, and I gotta say, if there's one thing that kinda pisses me off about his #Metoo situation, it's the fact that his career got completely obliterated before any kind of proof was produced. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's innocent per se, or that I would ever condone such alleged behavior, but when hearsay alone can burn up contracts and such, that's pretty effed up. It's a situation of guilty until proven innocent, which is contrary to how our justice system is purported to work. There have even been instances in the past where some accusations have been proven entirely false and spiteful, yet the damage is already done. The accuser just skips away with a slap on the wrist while the entire life of the accused is left in shambles. Again, I'm not saying that all cases are this way, or that bad behavior should go unpunished, but bandwagoning a baseless accusation isn't proof and everyone deserves a legal defense BEFORE being crucified. Sorry for the rant, but I just wanted to point that out. It would probably still be a bad PR move to associate with someone that has so much hanging over their head, but I find it a shame to scuttle so much talent because of circumstances like these.

This. Eveey single accusaation has not been proven. There's no videos, and if the ones that have been shown have shown that both parties were clearly okay with it. It's all he say/she say and it's sad.

 

[Firox]

LOL Gotta love the people lacking in reading comprehension. Somehow the concept of due process = defending Vic Mignogna. News flash: Those two aren't the same thing. That is unless you like the concept of being punished for a crime just because someone says you did it.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Maybe not, but it also hasn’t been proven not to be true.

With the amount of accusations against him funimation made the only logical decision in this day and age. It might have been different if it was one isolated case, but multiple ones?

Funimation's decision is understandable given the circumstances. But I have to say that the possibility of a situation being true should not be socially tantamount to it being true. The court of public opinion should never be the deciding authority in situations like these. It's pretty sickening how often and quickly people accept an accusation as true before any defining evidence can be provided.
But I will not belabor the point any further.

Instead, I well say that I also think geno would be better presented sans-voice actor. But if I had to pick one.. I dunno, maybe Johnny Yong Bosch?

 

[BoyMan]

I'm of the opinion that the Vic stuff probably isn't worth discussing one way or the other. It's kind of a scary thought to me that so many people (I'm not saying people in this thread specifically) have chosen sides in this conflict while having so little concrete information. I've seen Monica Rial get harassed on twitter non-stop since this began, and Vic has of course lost all sorts of work. The court of public opinion can be an extremely dangerous thing and will almost always do more harm than good in cases such as this one. Allow those involved to get this sorted out and reserve judgement until then.

 

[Datboigeno]

Uhhh... Someone who hasn't been mentioned but also isn't being investigated for sexual harassment who I think would be great as Geno is Zeno Robinson. He's most recently played Remy in Big City Greens, Poncho in Craig of the Creek, Pyunma in the recent Cyborg 009 adaptation, and Cyborg in Young Justice. He's also a really nice guy and a huge Geno fan! Like, he follows Operation Starfall and everything which is pretty cool.

 

[MattX20]

Uhhh... Someone who hasn't been mentioned but also isn't being investigated with sexual harassment who I think would be great as Geno is Zeno Robinson. He's most recently played Remy in Big City Greens, Poncho in Craig of the Creek, Pyunma in the recent Cyborg 009 adaptation, and Cyborg in Young Justice. He's also a really nice guy and a huge Geno fan! Like, he follows Operation Starfall and everything which is pretty cool.

Oh yeah, he did say he wanted Geno in. That would be cool

 

[Firox]

Uhhh... Someone who hasn't been mentioned but also isn't being investigated with sexual harassment who I think would be great as Geno is Zeno Robinson. He's most recently played Remy in Big City Greens, Poncho in Craig of the Creek, Pyunma in the recent Cyborg 009 adaptation, and Cyborg in Young Justice. He's also a really nice guy and a huge Geno fan! Like, he follows Operation Starfall and everything which is pretty cool.

For some reason, a VA for Cyborg seems pretty appropriate for Geno.

 

[StarLight42]

Geno’s gotta be voiced by Clancy Brown

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I would find it hilariously fitting if nothing but SMRPG sound effects are used for Geno, right down to the damage "thud" being used for launching, and enemy defeat sound being used for KOs.

As for my two cents on Vic Mignogna, I'll just say this; he apparently insulted Mari Ijima at some point. Make of that as you will.

I'm gonna give an out of left field proposal And say Jim cummings for smithy.

Nice. This reminds me, OK KO's ending soon, damn it CN...

 

[Vector Victor]

I would find it hilariously fitting if nothing but SMRPG sound effects are used for Geno, right down to the damage "thud" being used for launching, and enemy defeat sound being used for KOs.



Nice. This reminds me, OK KO's ending soon, damn it CN...

Geno's sky KO sound will be the shocked dun dun sound effect after the reveal sound in SMRPG that, spoiler, Mallow isn't a tadpole.

 

[Door Key Pig]

I would find it hilariously fitting if nothing but SMRPG sound effects are used for Geno, right down to the damage "thud" being used for launching, and enemy defeat sound being used for KOs.

As for my two cents on Vic Mignogna, I'll just say this; he apparently insulted Mari Ijima at some point. Make of that as you will.



Nice. This reminds me, OK KO's ending soon, damn it CN...

Uh doesn't Jim Cummings also have them allegations on him or was that "changed"?

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

completely unrelated but please watch this

 

[RetrogamerMax]

For some reason, a VA for Cyborg seems pretty appropriate for Geno.

Geno: Booya!

Starfire: Cyborg?! Why are you the doll?

Blackfire: Because it was his wish baby sister.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Uh doesn't Jim Cummings also have them allegations on him or was that "changed"?

From what I'm reading, it's a real case of Rashomon. Don't know who's in the right here.

Seriously though, when did the VA industry became associated with deviant behavior? I don't want people to be scared off from the job anymore than the low pay already does!

 

[BoyMan]

Uh doesn't Jim Cummings also have them allegations on him or was that "changed"?

In order to avoid all possible drama, I am just gonna recommend a text to speech program provides the voices for all characters in future Nintendo games. Hopefully Microsoft Sam hasn't been accused of aggravated assault or something.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Uh doesn't Jim Cummings also have them allegations on him or was that "changed"?

Considering he and his wife have both been issued restraining orders, but he has been granted primary custody of his kids, I'm guessing those allegations were false. Or at the very least. Unable to be proven true. Considering that cases like these tend to favour the mother where custody is concerned, I'm inclined to believe the former.

 

[Firox]

Geno: Booya!

Starfire: Cyborg?! Why are you the doll?

Blackfire: Because it was his wish baby sister.

As a huge fan of Teen Titans, I approve this message.

 

[TheHeartbreakKid]

Ridley, Banjo, K Rool, Geno and Isaac are the Never-Ever Gang.

People like Rayman and Waluigi don't count cause they were seen as feasible.

I'm also still of the opinion that expecting no more DLC after this initial fighter pass is a complete clown mentality. Smash 4 got 7 characters on a failing system towards the end of its lifespan, with a smaller install base, in a less DLC-friendly climate, with more programming hurdles.

Even counting Piranha Plant (which, for the purpose of this comparison, I DON'T, since he was clearly intended for base roster), that's only 6 fighters.

If not for Sakurai's comments about hesitation toward more DLC, I'd say AT LEAST a second pass was guaranteed. Even those comments could be him playing coy, like the whole "don't expect big CGI trailers" schtick he said after the Joker reveal

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Ridley, Banjo, K Rool, Geno and Banjo are the Never-Ever Gang.

People like Rayman and Waluigi don't count cause they were seen as feasible.

I'm also still of the opinion that expecting no more DLC after this initial fighter pass is a complete clown mentality. Smash 4 got 7 characters on a failing system towards the end of its lifespan, with a smaller install base, in a less DLC-friendly climate, with more programming hurdles.

Even counting Piranha Plant (which, for the purpose of this comparison, I DON'T, since he was clearly intended for base roster), that's only 6 fighters.

If not for Sakurai's comments about hesitation toward more DLC, I'd say AT LEAST a second pass was guaranteed. Even those comments could be him playing coy, like the whole "don't expect big CGI trailers" schtick he said after the Joker reveal

Don't forget that Smash 4 had two versions on distinct systems, which was twice the work.

If anything, DLC structure decisions are out of his hands. After all, he admitted as such in his book. It only ends when Nintendo wills it so.

Speaking of "no big stuff", it seems that Hero's presentation was a result of lacking spare budget for one like Joker and the others. At this rate, BK's presentation will mostly be done with plush dolls.

 

[EntropyAtrophy]

A plush doll presentation would be hilarious, so I hope you're right.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Ridley, Banjo, K Rool, Geno and Banjo are the Never-Ever Gang.

You spelled Banjo twice.

A plush doll presentation would be hilarious, so I hope you're right.

Sakurai: I am please to announce we will be giving away the extremely rare but mystical Geno SMRPG UFO Takara plush to everyone that buys Geno on the Eshop.

Video game merchandise enthusiast: OHHH MYYY GODDD!!!!!!!!!

 

[Evil Trapezium]

You spelled Banjo twice.

I like to think it's intentional just to emphasise how "never ever" Banjo & Kazooie were.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

LOL Gotta love the people lacking in reading comprehension. Somehow the concept of due process = defending Vic Mignogna. News flash: Those two aren't the same thing. That is unless you like the concept of being punished for a crime just because someone says you did it.

Vic hasn’t been punished by the rule of law though, which is where due process comes into play. Companies aren’t exactly beholden to that same thing and when you have lots of people coming out against you, that constitutes enough probable cause to terminate employment. It sucks, but this is a constant across employee/employer relationships in which any negative PR is enough to get you removed from a position, regardless of how “allowed” you were to do something or how much evidence points in certain directions.

I don’t know enough about Vic’s situation honestly, but the fact is that he has a lot of accusers, many of whom are coming directly in the line of fire of his supporters for their comments. These people’s live have actively been disrupted in worse ways than Vic’s for telling their story, so there’s nothing to be gained on their end by lying or continuing to lie. Lots of people note his conduct hasn’t been super appropriate to begin with and he just has so many people coming out against him. That’s the sort of thing where I’m more inclined to think that the one in the hot seat is in the wrong as opposed to the several individuals making statements concerning him. Proof with regards to sexual misconduct and harassment is a really damn difficult thing to get because of how it fundamentally occurs, and so much of it is stigmatized by society still, that in all honesty, it requires a bit of a different process to assess and properly deal with.

And it’s undeniable that Vic is a tainted name in the industry at this point who any company wouldn’t dream of going near. I love Qrow in RWBY, but it’s for the best he’s not continuing to create problems within that fandom and I certainly don’t see any reason to have him near Smash.

And honestly, I really don’t want Geno to have spoken lines. I don’t see any benefit to that over just having Super Mario RPG sound effects playing with his moveset.

 

[KoopaSaki]

Quick question guys since I am currently producing a video about Geno. Was Geno highly demanded since Melee or did his demand really start to explode in the pre Brawl Days from 2005-2008? Anybody here remember?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Edit: So what is our next milestone besides Geno becoming playable ladies and gentlemen? I would say surpassing the Smash 4 Ridley thread, but all I know it was over 2000 pages but what number exactly? I don't know. Hey N3ON do you know who ran the Smash 4 Ridley thread back in the day before the mods shut it down? I ask because he would probably know the exact number of pages the thread had.

Quick question guys since I am currently producing a video about Geno. Was Geno highly demanded since Melee or did his demand really start to explode in the pre Brawl Days from 2005-2008? Anybody here remember?

I think Geno was highly requested by the Japanese during the Melee days, but didn't pick up demand in the west until the Brawl days when western fans saw Geno ranked number 3 on the Japanese Brawl poll.

 

[wynn728]

Don't forget that Smash 4 had two versions on distinct systems, which was twice the work.

If anything, DLC structure decisions are out of his hands. After all, he admitted as such in his book. It only ends when Nintendo wills it so.

Speaking of "no big stuff", it seems that Hero's presentation was a result of lacking spare budget for one like Joker and the others. At this rate, BK's presentation will mostly be done with plush dolls.

I think that was a joke. People take statements way too seriously. Like come on, the way that Hero showcase was made is similar to Joker's showcase just minus trailer since Joker never got a real traileebat reveal.

 

[Rohanx17]

Edit: So what is our next milestone besides Geno becoming playable ladies and gentlemen? I would say surpassing the Smash 4 Ridley thread, but all I know it was over 2000 pages but what number exactly? I don't know. Hey N3ON do you know who ran the Smash 4 Ridley thread back in the day before the mods shut it down? I ask because he would probably know the exact number of pages the thread had.

It was locked and the topic was banned but you can still see it to this day with a quick Google search, the answer your looking for however is 1952 so were not passing it any time soon

 

[Firox]

Vic hasn’t been punished by the rule of law though, which is where due process comes into play. Companies aren’t exactly beholden to that same thing and when you have lots of people coming out against you, that constitutes enough probable cause to terminate employment. It sucks, but this is a constant across employee/employer relationships in which any negative PR is enough to get you removed from a position, regardless of how “allowed” you were to do something or how much evidence points in certain directions.

I don’t know enough about Vic’s situation honestly, but the fact is that he has a lot of accusers, many of whom are coming directly in the line of fire of his supporters for their comments. These people’s live have actively been disrupted in worse ways than Vic’s for telling their story, so there’s nothing to be gained on their end by lying or continuing to lie. Lots of people note his conduct hasn’t been super appropriate to begin with and he just has so many people coming out against him. That’s the sort of thing where I’m more inclined to think that the one in the hot seat is in the wrong as opposed to the several individuals making statements concerning him. Proof with regards to sexual misconduct and harassment is a really damn difficult thing to get because of how it fundamentally occurs, and so much of it is stigmatized by society still, that in all honesty, it requires a bit of a different process to assess and properly deal with.

And it’s undeniable that Vic is a tainted name in the industry at this point who any company wouldn’t dream of going near. I love Qrow in RWBY, but it’s for the best he’s not continuing to create problems within that fandom and I certainly don’t see any reason to have him near Smash.

And honestly, I really don’t want Geno to have spoken lines. I don’t see any benefit to that over just having Super Mario RPG sound effects playing with his moveset.

I understand that a company's PR isn't dependent on due process or the rule of law, but it still doesn't make it fair for an accusing tweet to destroy someone's life without any proof whatsoever. I'm saying this in a general sense, not in direct context to the Vic Mignogna case. I agree that when multiple people start pointing fingers, there is a relatively high probability that they are telling the truth, but my point is there are many cases where people incite an online/social media mob mentality to character assassinate others without proof or consequences.

Imagine yourself in the following situation. Say you were a well known celebrity and a fan snuck up from behind and kissed you. You politely and civilly rejected them, then found out a year later that they are accusing you of sexually assaulting them. They coax their friends into joining in and now you have maybe 5+ people corroborating a totally false event for the sheer sake of spite. You didn't do anything of the sort, but guess what? Your life is already over. No company will hire you. Your spouse leaves you. Your friends and family now treat you as a pariah and everywhere you go, you are now basically an unofficial registered sex offender. In the end, you had ZERO control over what happened to you, and even if the law sides with you, there's no going back.

Again, I am NOT defending the scum out there and this example is in no way supposed to discredit the legitimate victims of harassment etc. I was merely pointing out the fact that I find the practice of instant shunning and judgment to be unfair on the part of companies and the public at large. I fully understand WHY they do it, but question the implications of doing so. There are a lot of variables to consider in such cases and the assumption of guilt (or innocence) should not be taken lightly. I just find it kinda dangerous to think that public perception is a far more powerful thing these days than stuff like law, judge, jury or actual evidence.

Anyway, let's get back to Geno. This isn't really the place to argue about public morality.

 

[SSGuy]

Quick question guys since I am currently producing a video about Geno. Was Geno highly demanded since Melee or did his demand really start to explode in the pre Brawl Days from 2005-2008? Anybody here remember?

There is proof of Geno being requested for Smash Bros as early as Smash 64. Sakurai had a ballot for Melee and he and Mallow both received submissions. So technically he has been asked to be playable for over 20 years.

 

[xpnc]

Broke: Geno is a Luma
Woke: Geno is Starfy

 

[Vector Victor]

There is proof of Geno being requested for Smash Bros as early as Smash 64. Sakurai had a ballot for Melee and he and Mallow both received submissions. So technically he has been asked to be playable for over 20 years.

Let's be honest: Geno was requested for Smash before Smash was even a thing.

Geno was requested before Geno was even in SMRPG.

 

[xNovaNebulax]

Let's be honest: Geno was requested for Smash before Smash was even a thing.

Geno was requested before Geno was even in SMRPG.

I do believe geno was the first original character made in SMRPG too right after the regular cast. although going through many design changes

 

[Ctoan]

Hey guys, Banjo Kazooie supporter here. After getting them in (and being in disbelief for a full month), I'm fully rooting for getting ole !? in. Admittedly, I've never played Mario RPG, but Geno looks really cool and he'd be unique. Also with Ridley, King K Rool, and Banjo now in Smash, I'd love the "Impossible 4" to be complete.
Also, I don't think being a spirit ruins his chances much in his case because:
1. "Spirits can't be fighters" is another fan rule, and they've been repeatedly broken by Sakurai since the announcement of the game.
2. Geno's true form canonically is a spirit that possesses a physical body so it makes sense in his case.
3. I'd argue Chrom being in Robin's Final Smash despite the former being playable is more weird than a character being both a fighter and a spirit.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

So if Geno was one of 4 never-evers and 3 of those never-evers have made it into Smash does that mean that Geno is no longer a never-ever and therefore won't make it into Smash because the other 3 never-evers have broken the never-ever rule and thus there is no longer a never-ever scenario? My brain hurts...

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I understand that a company's PR isn't dependent on due process or the rule of law, but it still doesn't make it fair for an accusing tweet to destroy someone's life without any proof whatsoever. I'm saying this in a general sense, not in direct context to the Vic Mignogna case. I agree that when multiple people start pointing fingers, there is a relatively high probability that they are telling the truth, but my point is there are many cases where people incite an online/social media mob mentality to character assassinate others without proof or consequences.

Imagine yourself in the following situation. Say you were a well known celebrity and a fan snuck up from behind and kissed you. You politely and civilly rejected them, then found out a year later that they are accusing you of sexually assaulting them. They coax their friends into joining in and now you have maybe 5+ people corroborating a totally false event for the sheer sake of spite. You didn't do anything of the sort, but guess what? Your life is already over. No company will hire you. Your spouse leaves you. Your friends and family now treat you as a pariah and everywhere you go, you are now basically an unofficial registered sex offender. In the end, you had ZERO control over what happened to you, and even if the law sides with you, there's no going back.

Again, I am NOT defending the scum out there and this example is in no way supposed to discredit the legitimate victims of harassment etc. I was merely pointing out the fact that I find the practice of instant shunning and judgment to be unfair on the part of companies and the public at large. I fully understand WHY they do it, but question the implications of doing so. There are a lot of variables to consider in such cases and the assumption of guilt (or innocence) should not be taken lightly. I just find it kinda dangerous to think that public perception is a far more powerful thing these days than stuff like law, judge, jury or actual evidence.

Anyway, let's get back to Geno. This isn't really the place to argue about public morality.

Oh, to be clear, I absolutely agree with you that people need to be more cognizant of getting through the facts of certain matters and that there is always context to keep in mind. I was just more of pointing out that Vic's specific situation is maybe not the place to defend those things and that also, proof in harassment and sexual assault cases is incredibly difficult to establish at the best of times, hence being a more complicated context to navigate for any people caught up in that situation.


Back to Geno, his popularity only really became a thing during the Brawl era because character support didn't really exist in well developed ways prior to that era anyway. Sure, there's a couple of stray votes out there for him and meager support, but this was also an era in which people didn't have any really formed fan bases or ideas about the future of Smash, and there was also the not so minor issue of characters like Bowser, Peach, Wario, Diddy Kong, King Dedede, and others obviously being more essential inclusions that drew people kind of all over the place. Geno as a serious fan request originates in the Brawl era undoubtedly alongside several others. It's similar to Ridley in that, yes, some people wanted him in prior to the Brawl era, but we really only see that fandom develop when "Smash support" as we know it develops in the Brawl speculation days.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So if Geno was one of 4 never-evers and 3 of those never-evers have made it into Smash does that mean that Geno is no longer a never-ever and therefore won't make it into Smash because the other 3 never-evers have broken the never-ever rule and thus there is no longer a never-ever scenario? My brain hurts...

It's a fan rule. Only characters that are downright impossible are licensed ones, and that's only more for the sake of video game consistency/avoiding severe negotiation headaches than anything else.

The trick is to get Sakurai to change his mind about video game characters that fans deem as impossible due to personal reasons, barriers between consoles, regional barriers, and general underuse from Nintendo, among other things.

 

[ChoccyStar]

Time to throw some speculation dice (0.0 ) Smash Bros. JP just tweeted and included some neat looking pictures.

Spoiler: tweet

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1160716581485158400

However, one of the images in particular reminded me of two instances in Super Mario RPG.

Spoiler: tweet pic

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Spoiler: Exhibit B

slurps Kero Kero Cola

Probably someone else already answered this, but August 11 is Mountain Day in Japan, thus they posted pictures of people climbing a mountain. Please don't look to much into it, SMRPG is definitely not the only game where a steep slope is climbed.