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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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MissingGlitch

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In the future....How about we not harass people to get what we want or because something isn't going our way. That isn't right. Also we shouldn't keep tagging people just to try and squeeze more information out of them. Nothing was promised. Nothing was guaranteed. Don't take it all out on the messengers based off speculation alright?
 
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well this was a disappointing development to hear. comments from fatman were what was largely keeping my interest in following speculation since just about any other information officially given gets talked into the ground rather quickly leaving massive periods of straight nothing to wallow in. hopefully things get better but the way things look after starling comes and goes I'll probably stop reading every post and just pop in to experience and discuss the directs and other announcements with everyone here.
 
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We're all still friends so it's not like there was a breaking off or anything. Basically, nothing's going to get out unless Sabi and/or Sabi's old source give expressed permission for it. As for the starling, I'm waiting to see what happens on Wednesday. Apparently multiple people already know what's in the presentation including VR-Plant and we're currently wondering if he'll publically say anything today or tomorrow. Again, if Wednesday passes without incident, I think it's going to make things interesting.
I'm 99% sure that the upcoming Pokémon direct won't have anything relevant, so it's likely that the starling goalpost isn't coming that soon.

well this was a disappointed development to hear. comments from fatman were what was largely keeping my interest in following speculation since just about any other information officially given gets talked into the ground rather quickly leaving massive periods of straight nothing to wallow in. hopefully things get better but the way things look after starling comes and goes I'll probably stop reading every post and just pop in to experience and discuss the directs and other announcements with everyone here.
In theory we should get a Nindies this month and a general direct next month, so it probably won't be too dead until October at the latest.
 
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Okay time to step in, we never hinted at Geno being at EVO nor suggested the picture being related to Geno even, Fatmanonice Fatmanonice brought it here and it just caught on from here. All we know about it is that it's
1. A picture of a bird
2. And that it's not related to Fire Emblem.
From his word, As well the source isn't a "Former/Retired" source, he's just a old one and still does give Sabi information at times even if it's just picture clues. Now i can't say much in regards to how Sabi feels about all this, she's gonna have to speak about it. So before you pin me for lying and all that, just say that i never hinted at anything because i never knew nor said, The most i know is that the lack of Costume during the Hero showcase was a sign.
 

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We technically knew about a dragon quest rep for awhile
Only because some internal documents leaked and supposedly a buttload of people were fired in the aftermath. This is more or less the reason why Hitagi "retired" because supposedly several of his sources got canned because of what all he put out.

Rummy Rummy It's cool. People got heated for, like, an hour and then it calmed down. You just got caught in the crossfire but it's been resolved.
 
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Here are five questions that seem good for Geno fans...

1. What does the Starling bird refer to?

2. Why was his Mii Costume (as well as Chocobo's) not present in the Square DLC pack despite Joker having six Sega costumes in his DLC pack?

3. Why hassle for the rights to Megasmilax, Geno, Mallow, etc. if you have no future plans for any of these characters?

4. Why did Nintendo acknowledge Mario RPG's birthday last year despite not caring about it for decades?

5. Why were Armed Boss and Forest Maze specifically taken down by Nintendo, not Square? I thought Shimomura was a freelancer. Doesn't that mean Square owns that music?
  1. Right now I'm really confident it's related to Geno. I can't see the Pokemon team making remakes of Gen IV, mainly because half of them are making TOWN and the other half are making Pokemon Sword and Pokemon Shield. There's also the fact the leaker isn't fond of the current series direction so there's that to consider as well. It can't be for some third party or indie title either, since this leaker seems to only... well... leak first and second party titles.
  2. For all we know they could be saving the Mii costume until later but until that happens, I still think that's a big point in our favor. You'd think Hero's presentation would be the perfect time to reveal it, considering he's Square as well. Don't have an explanation for Chocobo though, perhaps it would be saved for when Geno is revealed? They WERE released together in Smash 4 after all. On the topic, Sakurai also mentions that he wanted Geno's Mii costume in Smash 4 so he could do his fans justice since for one reason or another he couldn't be playable. That makes the exclusion even more suspect if you ask me.
  3. Geno is already in the game as a Spirit and the dev team already negotiated with Square to get Geno in Smash. I think he would be a pretty easy addition. We don't have concrete evidence on the playability of Spirits one way or another, and currently it is the biggest thing standing in our way.
  4. Had this been some sort of 30-year anniversary deal it would make a lot of sense to acknowledge it, but last year was 32 years. Either way, this at least tells us Nintendo is aware of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and how many fans love it.
  5. Again, more evidence in our favor. The fact that Square has the rights to the game's music and yet Nintendo is the one taking them down is even more suspect.
 
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Okay time to step in, we never hinted at Geno being at EVO nor suggested the picture being related to Geno even, Fatmanonice Fatmanonice brought it here and it just caught on from here. All we know about it is that it's
1. A picture of a bird
2. And that it's not related to Fire Emblem.
From his word, As well the source isn't a "Former/Retired" source, he's just a old one and still does give Sabi information at times even if it's just picture clues. Now i can't say much in regards to how Sabi feels about all this, she's gonna have to speak about it. So before you pin me for lying and all that, just say that i never hinted at anything because i never knew nor said, The most i know is that the lack of Costume during the Hero showcase was a sign.
didn't they clarify that the type of bird matters?
 

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If the starling hint was referring to a remaster or remake of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars instead of Geno being playable, I’d honestly be stoked and wouldn’t even be mad if it was done in an updated engine using 3D models or even done in the style of the Link’s Awakening remake for the Switch because that would be awesome. :lol:
 

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I suppose there's no harm in saying it but there's not going to be anymore picture clues until further notice. The pictures were supposed to be a bit of fun but the Smash fanbase was ravenous and harassing Sabi about it non-stop. I didn't know about this until this past weekend but apparently she's been swamped by threats from people hungry for info and it's honestly killed the fun of it. Thankfully, you all were respectful but it's kind of a testament of how bull**** the Smash fanbase can be at times.
As I said, I respect you and your source. I appreciate any hints or information that anyone can offer since I would agree that it's a lot funner to have something to speculate over rather than the otherwise vacuum of silence that Nintendo seems to love giving us. That said, I lament the fact that such trashy human beings have accosted you or Sabi over such things. I personally think that threatening people over something so trivial is not only childish, but should be severely punished due to the amount of stress and emotional harm it can place on others. Not to mention, we all have to suffer at the lack of new information because some mouth-breather couldn't just use their brain to figure things out in a reasonable manner. On the other hand, however, I do believe that a little less ambiguity in such clues could really help alleviate the backlash. People won't keep bugging for clarification if the clue is explicit enough to begin with.

Firox Firox Firox Firox at the same time, that wouldn't make sense. The leaker clarified that the type of the bird is important, and Revali... i'm not sure what he has to do with that. I know you were just making an example, but i'm trying to say that there is a very limited pool of things this could be at this point, most of which being things we probably wouldn't be able to guess, and others being possible good things for Geno's chances
I fully understand the implications of the clue, Starlight. Based on all the points that xpnc said, I agree that the clue seems to be pointing mostly towards Geno. I was just using the Revali thing as an example of how potentially random the clue could actually end up being though, given how vague it still is. To be totally honest, I have no idea what else a "Starling" could even be referring to if not Geno. Still, there's enough room for doubt, and proof of that are the droves of fanatics that were mobbing Sabi for answers. Like I said, if the clue were a doll or something more specific, or at least if the leaker said "Yes, this is Smash related" then we could put a lot of theories to bed. As it is, we still need more data before we can make a solid conclusion. To quote Robert Downey Jr's Sherlock Holmes, "Give me data, people. Data, data, data. I cannot make bricks without clay."
 

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Yeah, but it didn't prevent people from being convinced of it, due to various signs, coincidental or not. To the point that when people saw Kumazaki's fig collection, they went "OMG DQ confirmed for Smash!".
Still doesn¨t change the fact that it wasn¨t something official, unlike Geno's spirit which is official.
 

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I made a post last night right after EVO ended and there was no announcement, and all the post said was “HA, NOTHING!”. It was reported for minor trolling and I just want to say to whoever reported it that it wasn’t intended to troll.

My reaction in certain situations is to laugh and that post was my being surprised at no announcement and a response to our ongoing poor luck and having to persevere. I’m sure a lot of people were upset at the lack of anything and I can see how that post would be interpreted that way, but it was a “wow can you believe this” and not a jab.
 

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In the future....How about we not harass people to get what we want or because something isn't going our way. That isn't right. Also we shouldn't keep tagging people just to try and squeeze more information out of them. Nothing was promised. Nothing was guaranteed. Don't take it all out on the messengers based off speculation alright?
Despite this being one of the shortest Smash speculation cycles, it was one of the worst based on fandom reactions. Grinch Hoax for one, but more people overall seemed so more impatient, unruly and quick to demand answers while never seeming to be fulfilled for a game that only had an 8 month wait time from reveal to release. The September 2018 Direct was also a poor showing for the fanbase image, acting as if a week delay was unforgivable (you know, cause forget how a major EARTHQUAKE happened) and they wanted the Direct's information now for a game that was, once again, a couple months out. And nothing changed before and after that Direct; the game still came out as planned.

And fan attitudes against characters have gotten worse. No matter how many times their fan rules get destroyed by Sakurai, they just yell louder against the next character.
 

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so I too thought the ridley thread had been killed off entirely and after seeing sigun's post I decided to take a look and see what I could find. So the smash 4 ridley thread managed to hit 1952 pages before it was put to rest for good, dang. While I don't think it's an impossible task I have to be honest the chance of hitting that without some outside force stirring up new interest or hype over geno is not great but since it's not really a contest I don't care much anyway, were still going to be #2 likely by the end of this week. More importantly I stopped to look at some developments as it went on and then began to read all the posts that were made as the announcement to close up was made and everyone was giving goodbyes and heartfelt speeches/history lessons. honestly I have never had more appreciation or respect for how monumental and important this event was in smash history, hell I've only followed smashboards since 4 and even I knew some of the big names going around there. honestly I feel ridley is definitely special and stands apart from the other 2 members of the impossible trio and having the knowledge of e32018 made it quite the emotional experiance.

ultimate is one hell of a game y'all
 
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Lol. If the reaction to Evo was that bad, i'm wondering what will happen if the starling ends up being actually a sword and shield hint, but I don't think the leaker would do that
 

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Can't understand the people who harass over stuff like that. Like, are you really that desperate to know? That's the thing that gets me about Smash speculation. It's really supposed to be fun, and I understand that it can be very disappointing if your character doesn't make it in. I understand some people have been waiting literally decades for some characters. But it's not like it's going to change at this point - the character is either being developed or they aren't. Sure, getting some more information might make you feel more hopeful, but ultimately the only thing that's going to be satisfying is seeing the character revealed in a straight up official capacity. Until that happens, you're always gonna be wondering.

So is it really worth like being an extremely ****ty human being just to MAYBE have small chance of making your extremely unsure assumptions and hopes a tiny bit less unsure? Good god, these games don't come out that often. This might be the last time you get to experience Smash speculation for many many years. Enjoy it! Come up with your wild and crazy theories, get your hopes up and have fun if you want to, or keep them low and hopefully be really pleasantly surprised. Screaming at insiders for information shouldn't be what this stuff is about. It should be about that moment when you're watching E3, and wondering why K. Rool is suddenly crashing at DK's, and then the Jiggy bounces across the screen and you lose your mind. It should be about that moment when Joker's letter turns and the Smash logo of all things is there. It should be about Snake coming out of the stealth camo to the announcement that EVERYONE IS HERE.

If you ain't having fun with this stuff, you seriously gotta take a step back. Because if it isn't fun, then why bother?
 

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Despite this being one of the shortest Smash speculation cycles, it was one of the worst based on fandom reactions. Grinch Hoax for one, but more people overall seemed so more impatient, unruly and quick to demand answers while never seeming to be fulfilled for a game that only had an 8 month wait time from reveal to release. The September 2018 Direct was also a poor showing for the fanbase image, acting as if a week delay was unforgivable (you know, cause forget how a major EARTHQUAKE happened) and they wanted the Direct's information now for a game that was, once again, a couple months out. And nothing changed before and after that Direct; the game still came out as planned.

And fan attitudes against characters have gotten worse. No matter how many times their fan rules get destroyed by Sakurai, they just yell louder against the next character.
At this point, I'm convinced that Sakurai could add goku, homer Simpson and Mickey ****ing mouse, and people would STILL find a way to try and impose fan restrictions on speculation.
 

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Damn evo really did goof hard.

I’m a bit surprised at just how angry david got over that though...i get that famous Va’s don’t like having their voice used without permission(translation; a huge paycheck) but he seemed to come off as a little too pissed over it...
 
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Damn evo really did goof hard.

I’m a bit surprised at just how angry david got over that though...i get that famous Va’s don’t like having their voice used without permission(translation; a huge paycheck) but he seemed to come off as a little too pissed over it...
He could get into a problem where people won’t want to hire him even though it wasn’t his fault, since his contract states his voice can’t be used to promote other games.
 

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Damn evo really did goof hard.

I’m a bit surprised at just how angry david got over that though...i get that famous Va’s don’t like having their voice used without permission(translation; a huge paycheck) but he seemed to come off as a little too pissed over it...
The problem isn't necessarily tekken. Not only is it illegal to do this, it sets a bad precedent. Like what if it was used for something more sinister or politically inclined. The waters run deep, my friend.
 

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He could get into a problem where people won’t want to hire him even though it wasn’t his fault, since his contract states his voice can’t be used to promote other games.
Ah, so it’s partly due to his contract with konami then? Didn’t think about that...

contracts...complicated...
 
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Despite this being one of the shortest Smash speculation cycles, it was one of the worst based on fandom reactions. Grinch Hoax for one, but more people overall seemed so more impatient, unruly and quick to demand answers while never seeming to be fulfilled for a game that only had an 8 month wait time from reveal to release. The September 2018 Direct was also a poor showing for the fanbase image, acting as if a week delay was unforgivable (you know, cause forget how a major EARTHQUAKE happened) and they wanted the Direct's information now for a game that was, once again, a couple months out. And nothing changed before and after that Direct; the game still came out as planned.

And fan attitudes against characters have gotten worse. No matter how many times their fan rules get destroyed by Sakurai, they just yell louder against the next character.
Yeah I mean, people in there have completely lost the ability to be patient. They've become far too spoiled to the point that I wouldn't be shocked if they expect new info within each week, after Smash 6 becomes a thing.

Then there's some of the players in the competitive scene having shown...less than exemplary behavior, from **** allegations, to a sore loser tossing a dead crab.

It's times like this that actually make me miss 4's speculation period.

At this point, I'm convinced that Sakurai could add goku, homer Simpson and Mickey ****ing mouse, and people would STILL find a way to try and impose fan restrictions on speculation.
Because they always come up with excuses, and don't want to admit that they don't bleeding care about X character.
 

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He could get into a problem where people won’t want to hire him even though it wasn’t his fault, since his contract states his voice can’t be used to promote other games.
Also, he could be dumb-founded that people thought this would be okay to do on such a well-known and reported event and they thought no one would notice. Basically, how did they think they wouldn't be caught? And how are people still doing this in 2019 after the countless other times this backfired on people who had to face legal concerns because of it?
 

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I feel the need to quote this post to remind people on the situation of the bird post and that the "type of bird" isn't the conclusive takeaway from this situation and we shouldn't be spreading misinformation on that front, read the bold part:

I dunno where this thing of Sabi saying she thinks it's "most likely" Smash related comes from. She, me and those who have contact with the person who gives us such hints once in a lifetime, we have no idea what is referencing to or what game is about. It's as simple as that, we have no clue. People on multiple sites are thinking either geno, resident evil rep, devil jin from tekken, edelgard, etc, as usual the community just tries to come up with ideas of what it could be about, if it's smash, but really there is nothing else aside from the picture itself, we just dont have any other clue lol. There is no confirmation whatsoever or a "most likely" chances of it being smash either, at this point it could be anything.

As far as the bird type thing goes, we only heard (from the person who shares the hints with us) that if they wanted to hint edelgard they would have used a black eagle in the picture for a hint about her, YET THIS DOES NOT MEAN that the type of bird really matters in the end for THIS hint. The hint could be still a word play, like the "star" part or whatever, WHO KNOWS. There is no solid indicative of what the actual hint in the picture is, if the type of bird, the colors, the size, the roof, a combination of those, the actual name of the bird, nothing, we just dont know lol.
I just saw people putting out that the "type of bird" matters when this that isn't quite the accurate takeaway. It's just not meant to be for Edelgard or Fire Emblem related stuff is all the clarification that we really know beyond the picture itself.

And as an aside, I do think we're running the clock of statute of limitations for things. Jon's Otter posting becomes less relevant with each day that passes (probably can count out this entire week for certain with Pokemon news taking front stage) and this source's picture leaks become less and less consistent considering the previous three week cut-off has already been passed.
 

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And as an aside, I do think we're running the clock of statute of limitations for things. Jon's Otter posting becomes less relevant with each day that passes (probably can count out this entire week for certain with Pokemon news taking front stage) and this source's picture leaks become less and less consistent considering the previous three week cut-off has already been passed.
Incidentally, I was starting to think that Jon's latest otter posts are just him expressing his affinity for otters and didn't actually hint at anything. It could be for the yearly August Nindies showcase, for all we know.
 
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and this source's picture leaks become less and less consistent considering the previous three week cut-off has already been passed.
What is the issue with consistency? There have been 3 hints in total. The first 2 were revealed within a few weeks. This one is taking longer. Why is that an issue necessarily? I mean is the implication that you're trying to make that they're making things up or that the hint isn't actually about something Nintendo related? Because multiple people now from that server have stated that the hinter himself clarified that it's not FE related and is in fact a hint to something. It's not just a random bird picture for the sake of posting a bird picture.
 

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I feel the need to quote this post to remind people on the situation of the bird post and that the "type of bird" isn't the conclusive takeaway from this situation and we shouldn't be spreading misinformation on that front, read the bold part:



I just saw people putting out that the "type of bird" matters when this that isn't quite the accurate takeaway. It's just not meant to be for Edelgard or Fire Emblem related stuff is all the clarification that we really know beyond the picture itself.

And as an aside, I do think we're running the clock of statute of limitations for things. Jon's Otter posting becomes less relevant with each day that passes (probably can count out this entire week for certain with Pokemon news taking front stage) and this source's picture leaks become less and less consistent considering the previous three week cut-off has already been passed.
Even if we have no idea if the bird type specifically matters, we do know that the choice was deliberate, which will allow us to more easily narrow down its meaning with future information (possibly)
And having fire emblem out of the way is a pretty big hurdle to put behind us. At least as far as edelgard is concerned. All in all...
 

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Also, he could be dumb-founded that people thought this would be okay to do on such a well-known and reported event and they thought no one would notice. Basically, how did they think they wouldn't be caught? And how are people still doing this in 2019 after the countless other times this backfired on people who had to face legal concerns because of it?
FUN FACT: Humans are stupid and often forget that their actions have consequences.

ALSO FUN FACT: Humans think that if their antics are "cool" enough, then nobody will call them out.

LAST FUN FACT: Disregarding the first two facts is the fastest way to achieve political and upper management status.
 

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Not gonna lie, I'm kind of amazed at how short-sighted a move that was from the EVO staff. After doing something like that, did they just... NOT expect backlash or for people to think Snake was in Tekken or something? If lawsuits start happening, they're honestly justified.
 

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Despite this being one of the shortest Smash speculation cycles, it was one of the worst based on fandom reactions. Grinch Hoax for one, but more people overall seemed so more impatient, unruly and quick to demand answers while never seeming to be fulfilled for a game that only had an 8 month wait time from reveal to release. The September 2018 Direct was also a poor showing for the fanbase image, acting as if a week delay was unforgivable (you know, cause forget how a major EARTHQUAKE happened) and they wanted the Direct's information now for a game that was, once again, a couple months out. And nothing changed before and after that Direct; the game still came out as planned.

And fan attitudes against characters have gotten worse. No matter how many times their fan rules get destroyed by Sakurai, they just yell louder against the next character.
You'd think people wouldn't act like this over a video game of all things
 

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Not gonna lie, I'm kind of amazed at how short-sighted a move that was from the EVO staff. After doing something like that, did they just... NOT expect backlash or for people to think Snake was in Tekken or something? If lawsuits start happening, they're honestly justified.
It looks like EVO never matured past its small tournament status. They are now this big operation with companies taking part. You just can't do something like this anymore without some giant repercussions.
 
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So we don’t know if the bird type itself matters much, though the source pretty much implied it, so it could very well be wordplay and be for Geno.

I also doubt it won’t amount to anything. This is the same guy that has given Sabi her other Nintendo info in the past, and he said the image meant something, so I’m sure it will come at some point, maybe soon this month. I really doubt it’s the Pokémon info, so I guess we just gotta wait. It’s entirely possible he knew something in advance and didn’t want to wait to tease it.

And yeah, the EVO staff are being very unprofessional. I don’t particularly care much, but this isn’t how you act with the top dogs present and watching what you do with their games.
 
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