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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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bardbowman said:
That all depends on what’s potentially coming in addition to the Fighter’s Pass. Honestly, if they were to turn around and tease #4 on the heels of Hero’s release (which is a possibility at least, in light of recent events), that would suggest that there could be more on the way we don’t know about. Because, like you said, Sakurai is trying to be more intentional about the hype cycle.

In the alternative, you could argue that DLC hype is somewhat different than pre-release hype, so it’s maybe not as critical to maintain a steady balanced flow of new content.
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I suppose, but it still seems like that sort of stuff would just be better saved. It's highly unlikely that we'll see the Fighter's Pass completed sooner than the February deadline (with the pace that has been set and the intentional setup of things right now), so why rush through this hype cycle. If they announce #4 at this hypothetical Direct, you'd potentially be going between August and December without Smash reveals just because you wanted to jump the gun. People are already talking about how dreadful this "drought" has been despite knowing Hero and Banjo Kazooie, so it'll most certainly happen yet again. It just seems to me to make much more sense to save #4 so that there is never a more specific lull in the overall post release content flow. The reveals are Nintendo's biggest asset in regards to "hype" and "advertising." So it just doesn't really make sense to blow out one of the two remaining ones you have for the next 7 months so soon after you just unveiled two at E3 a short while ago.


On a completely unrelated note, I'm not super on board with Undertale in Smash for no real reason I'm learning. I've not played it, so I can't seriously comment upon it, but every time that people bring it up I find myself slightly disappointed with the idea and I don't know what to make of that.
 
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I found some fan art I made like 15+(?) years ago of Mario characters. LOL.

Oh my Goodness it's so bad.

LOL
 
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Glitch-EGamer said:
I merely jest. :D
Anyway though, if you had to pick a character to represent indie games, who would that character be?
My personal opinion says it should have been Shovel Knight but...you know..
I feel Shantae or the Knight from Hollow Knight would both be good choices.
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Cave Story's Quote. Arguably the granddaddy of successful Indies, iconic music, great moveset potential, has had Nintendo exclusives in the past. He checks every box, and Cave Story is really really good.
 
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TheCJBrine said:
I think Sans could be playable, but I’d also love Papyrus with Sans off to the side (like Pokémon Trainer) and helping him with some attacks without letting him know, but both of them knowingly helping each other with their final smash. I think that’d be better for Sans than an Easter egg or taunt, and it’d make more sense as well.
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Besides, hurting Papyrus is one of the few ways to get Sans super-mad at you. And I still never got the Sans with Papyrus icon request from Pakky...

Glitch-EGamer said:
I merely jest. :D
Anyway though, if you had to pick a character to represent indie games, who would that character be?
My personal opinion says it should have been Shovel Knight but...you know..
I feel Shantae or the Knight from Hollow Knight would both be good choices.
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Quote. As far as indie game characters go, he is officially the oldest-known example that wasn't an overlooked console character at first.

Ace C.R.O.S.S. said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Geno could be a Bonus DLC?
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Join the club, that's been brought up ages ago. Personally, I think we'll go bigger if they use the full WOL datamine.

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Got curious into checking if there were any "eye-catching" scheduled maintenance and, I just saw that on July 29th, the Switch's getting maintenance on "Purchase and Use of Consumable Items". Uh... if anyone knows, what does this mean? :confused:

https://www.nintendo.com/consumer/network/en_na/network_status.jsp
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The fact that it happens on my birthday is icing on the cake.
 
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ZelDan said:
If they were going to go for one of the Bone bros, I feel they'd definitely go for Sans, just for being a bigger, more popular character, and for having more moveset potential.

Personally I like Sans more too, so I'd be fine with it.
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Here's my issue with Sans though. One of the big reasons he's so popular is specifically because of the big plot twist at the end about his backstory. His big secret is what makes him so cool, but that's a massive spoiler, and by spoiling a game by making him a fighter kind of ruins his uniqueness. Idk, that could be just me, but if Sans is getting in at all, it would be for a Final Smash for Frisk.

I think Sans is absolutely cool af, but I feel like they wouldn't make him into a full fighter over frisk. I could be wrong though, I wouldn't mind being wrong since I, and many others like Sans the most by far out of every character in Undertale.
 
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TheCJBrine said:
Now I will go through mental gymnastics to somehow connect the starling image to Porky:

Not really, I think it’s likely Geno if it’s Smash Bros. at all, and there’s no way a smol bird connects to Porky (but please be in, great chubster).
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It would be so epic if both Geno and Porky are those last 2 fighters in the Season Pass. Also, I really like your Porky avatar man. ;)

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Hey, I have a random question: If Geno and Rosalina met, how do you think they'd interact and get along? Just curious.
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I think Rosalina sent Geno to help Mario and gang save the world from Smithy in SMRPG because of Rosalina being the mother our care taker of the Lumas and the Stars. I'm 99% percent sure Rosalina will be in Geno's reveal trailer if he is in.

Ace C.R.O.S.S. said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Geno could be a Bonus DLC?
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If he is in the Season Pass, that is the only way I could see him getting in just due to the fact we just recently got Hero. But than again he could be 1 of the 5.
 
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SonicSmasher1 said:
Hey, I have a random question: If Geno and Rosalina met, how do you think they'd interact and get along? Just curious.
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Strictly Mother/Son or Queen/Loyal Knight type of relationship. None of you sick freaks better ship them.
 
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SonicSmasher1 said:
Hey, I have a random question: If Geno and Rosalina met, how do you think they'd interact and get along? Just curious.
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Everyone keeps saying Rosalina would be motherly towards Geno. I would have to agree. Although, I would love if Geno was an angstey teenager towards her.
Geno: I am the protector of Star Road! Gawsh!
Rosalina: Oh that's nice! Here are some star bits.
Geno: I'm not hungry....*munch munch*
 
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AugustusB said:
Everyone keeps saying Rosalina would be motherly towards Geno. I would have to agree. Although, I would love if Geno was an angstey teenager towards her.
Geno: I am the protector of Star Road! Gawsh!
Rosalina: Oh that's nice! Here are some star bits.
Geno: I'm not hungry....*munch munch*
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I've had that as a headcanon too. Geno wants to do more but Rosalina tells him its okay not too. He just wants to impress her in a way.
 
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Ace C.R.O.S.S. said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Geno could be a Bonus DLC?
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I honestly don't rule out at least one bonus character, especially since supposedly Joker, Hero, and Banjo were all in development last December, honestly leaving a giant 14 month hole for at least two characters to begin development.

Going back to my E3/EVO talk yesterday, I wanted to go a little more in-depth with it.

E3 2013- it had Villager, MegaMan, and Wii Fit.

- Villager was significant because it was a character that Sakurai originally said wasn't going to happen.

-MegaMan was, well, MegaMan. Even back in the Melee days, it was a regular debate of who the first third party character to come to Smash would be. Obviously, the two main camps were Sonic and MegaMan. A lot of people figured that if one got in, the other would soon follow which is why Megaman's absence in Brawl was particularly salt inducing.

-Wii Fit was a "buffer" and character that probably would have been received poorly if they hadn't been announced next to one of the biggest reveals in Smash history.

E3 2014- it had Miis, Palutena, and Pac-Man.

-The Miis were controversial but nobody denied that they had a ton of demand, especially among more casual crowds. I feel like they were the buffer character of that E3.

-Palutena was not only a popular character but one of the few that most of the Smash fanbase agreed was going to happen.

-Pac-Man was another character that was considered virtually a lock once MegaMan got in. Incredibly iconic, and despite some controversy, was another character that most people didn't argue about being deserving.

Post EVO 2014- it had Robin and Lucina.

-Following the Fire Emblem arguments during the Smash 4 days was interesting. Chrom was considered a lock, Lucina was very popular, and Robin was kind of niche but the demand was still there. Robin was arguably one of the most niche Smash fan picks in Smash 4.

E3 2015- it had Lucas, Roy, and Ryu. Sakurai said that Mewtwo, Lucas, and Roy were the most demanded veterans so that simply explains. Ryu was yet another big third party icon and pretty much "Mr. Fighting Games" himself. It was really no surprise that their wasn't an EVO announcement that year based on this.

E3 2018- it had Daisy, Ridley, and all the returning veterans. I really don't have to go into why this was a huge deal. Daisy and Ridley were both characters that had demand pretty much since the beginning of the series.

Post EVO 2018- it Simon, Richter, Dark Samus, K. Rool, and Chrom. Simon was a big icon while Richter is one of the most niche picks in Smash history. Dark Samus and Chrom were both previously rejected characters that Sakurai added because of fan demand. K. Rool pretty has the same story as Daisy and Ridley.

E3 2019- it had Hero and Banjo.

-Hero was kind of a buffer character as the general reaction to him was just kind of a blank faced "oh" and "who?" Once I say him and just sort of the general "despair" and apathy on different boards and comment sections, I all but knew Banjo was going to close out the Direct.

-Banjo doesn't need to be explained. If you've been here for the speculation cycle of this game, you know exactly why it was an enormous deal to Smash fans.
 
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Fatmanonice said:
-The Miis were controversial but nobody denied that they had a ton of demand, especially among more casual crowds. I feel like they were the buffer character of that E3.
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And I argue that it is easily on top three of fighters reveal period (rest in piece Iwata)

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-Hero was kind of a buffer character as the general reaction to him was just kind of a blank faced "oh" and "who?" Once I say him and just sort of the general "despair" and apathy on different boards and comment sections, I all but knew Banjo was going to close out the Direct.

-Banjo doesn't need to be explained. If you've been here for the speculation cycle of this game, you know exactly why it was an enormous deal to Smash fans.
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It's ironic. While folks over at the west mostly were hyped towards Banjo for obvious reasons, the fact is (and this is from someone that were curious about Japans opinion of Banjo) and while it might come as a surprise for a lot of people, people went overboard with hype for both Banjo & Kazooie as well as the Hero. The bear and the bird were even the most top trending subject on Japanese twitter for a good while before Hero obviously took over. They love the duo in Japan too.
 
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>spoilers
>ever being a problem for a character inclusion
Given how casually big plot points for Mother 3 and Xenoblade were given out for their trophies, I think we've gotten past the point of not wanting newbies to be spoiled. Besides, Sans' twist must be common knowledge by now. :drshrug:

Secondly, very nice analysis there Fatmanonice Fatmanonice , if the current pattern holds up we could have one character revealed at EVO. Not saying we will, but it's possible.

Finally, on the topic of Fire Emblem, a controversy seems to have...happened, recently. I'm not sure who I should bring it up to, to keep this thread appropriate.
 
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AW MAN, Y'ALL!

I had an awesome dream last night that the villains trailer was shown again... except it started with Link/Zelda and Ganondorf, showed the Kongs vs. K. Rool, showed Banjo-Kazooie bouncing off of K. Rool's rocky 'grave', and then ended on Mario/Peach and Bowser. They showed Mario going into Bowser's Keep to save Peach, getting into the nitty-gritty with the SMB3 Bowser theme in the background (much like at Bowser's Keep in SMRPG), and... in came a silhouette.

The silhouette of Mii Gunner in Geno's costume.

Everyone was slack-jawed a la K. Rool/Banjo's trailers, Mii Gunner started doing a jig, and I knew, I KNEW Geno was about to show up, and I was SO EXCITED, and then... I woke up.

Gahhhhh! C'mon, Squaretendo! Make this a reality!!!
 
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Well this is surprising. Doom 1, 2 & 3 are releasing on Switch. Maybe Doomguy is actually going to happen.
 
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I have Nintendo's YouTube page up in case he just shadow drops.

Also I misremembered...We actually got a Joker hint an HOUR before he shadow dropped. Is this correct Fatmanonice Fatmanonice ?

MomijiInubashiri630 MomijiInubashiri630 So not after EVO...Dang man. The twist and turns just keep coming!
 
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After that amazing dream last night, ergh, I feel like I'm gonna be sick. Hopefully the starling hint will also come into play with the Hero drop, too...

All I know is, if Geno's outfit doesn't appear with him, that in conjunction with the starling hint is going to make stuff go from 0 to 100 so, so fast.
 
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So the Hero Video might release today? I honestly just want to get it over with, I don't care for The Hero and I got a good feeling on what's going to happen with Geno. I just want to move on from this tiresome news.
 
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When the Grinch failed, we lost. All of us. We lost hope. We lost motivation. Soon, we may have a chance to take it all back. We know each other, we know the game. Count down the pass. One by one. Two to go. Starlings, NoA rumours, fan requests, Sakurai himself. Most of us have been disappointed before, but that doesn’t mean we should know what to expect. Hype responsibly. Look out for each other. Some of us have done this for years. Don't lose hope, gang.
 
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All I'm going to say is, if the worst possible outcome rears its head, just take it as a battle lost and not the war lost. Operation Starfall is swinging in strong now. This doesn't mean we should become quieter. It means we need to get much, much louder.

If that costume drops tonight or next week, I am going to become so loud that Nintendo will never hear the end of how much I love Geno. They are going to goddamn hear my passion in the most affectionate and incredible way possible. I will do whatever it is that I can to fight for him. I refuse to give it all up, not like this. I will channel all of my sadness and despair into putting up an even bigger, stronger fight, even if we have to start taking more legally dubious routes like fan games, fan hacks, and fan sequels so huge that C&D's will have to be dropped.

Bring it on, Nintendo. C'mon. Make my day.
 
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I just want to say this since this will probably be the last thing I want to say. You can be positive, but you have to be realistic. Look at the writing on the wall because it has been warning you of that possibility for a long time.
 
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I'm not saying it's going to happen (though I feel like it will) but considering Banjo, K Rool, and Ridley: it just feels wrong that they wouldn't add Geno.
 
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Glitch-EGamer said:
I'm not saying it's going to happen (though I feel like it will) but considering Banjo, K Rool, and Ridley: it just feels wrong that they wouldn't add Geno.
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It would feel insanely wrong for them to skip out on Geno after all of this, especially after going through the hoops to get Banjo and the IMPOSSIBLE hoops of getting all four of the DQ heroes featured in Smash in the same game, something Enix normally would never do. It makes getting Geno in seem like a cinch.
 
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