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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Linkx20

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Sorry to jump in randomly (have been off these boards for a LONG time), but that splash screen for the Geno Mii costume still gets to me. Literally no other costume got that kind of treatment. And so many of Smash 4's costumes went on to become characters in Ultimate. All of this new copyright stuff could definitely point to just a re-release of the costume in the coming days with Hero. Would be disappointing in my book because I know that would spell the end of Geno's chances. But if he isn't a costume? Who else is left that has been requested for SO long and gotten actual recognition from Sakurai and is yet to be in the game? I know I should give up hope already (its been 10+ years...) but only fitting that two spots left and Geno still has a sliver of a shot at this thing. Anxious about this costume though, like I said, could be the nail in the coffin.
 

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Honestly, I probably get super defensive because of this but I just get this vibe that everything has to be super serious, especially with all this talks of a reputation and "constructiveness." Why tho? "Aren't you concerned people will look down on you?" I am literally a janitor in real life so the irony is palpable enough that I could reach out and give it a deep tissue massage if I wanted to.
Yeah. I remember a day when leak-driven speculation around here wasn’t so...Costly. And I’m sorry you’ve been caught in the crosshairs of that from time to time. For what it’s worth, there are plenty of people who don’t feel that way about you, or leaks in general.

I think R RetrogamerMax has a point about the ballot really shifting the conversation. I also wonder if the growing age of the fan base has anything to do with it too. As if the fandoms we had as kids take on the same amount of investment and gravitas we’ve always given them...We’re just better at stressing over them now.
 

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I think that's a bit more of a stretch, really, but who knows? It's incredibly cryptic. Hopefully, we'll find out sooner rather than later. Doesn't Sabi's source usually get big info the day before some stuff is about to drop?
Thats what I've heard as well.
 

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Honestly, I probably get super defensive because of this but I just get this vibe that everything has to be super serious, especially with all this talks of a reputation and "constructiveness." Why tho? "Aren't you concerned people will look down on you?" I am literally a janitor in real life so the irony is palpable enough that I could reach out and give it a deep tissue massage if I wanted to.
Look, I don't want your credibility to diminish, despite what it seems like from our last interchange there are many times I actually do value your input. Clearly a lot of people do. And like I said, you're fortunate this place still totally engages with your hints and such. The thing is, my point about Vergeben was to say that even when you spend most of the time disclosing completely accurate information (at least about Smash), the fanbase will turn on you for just being vague, let alone being wrong. And as it stands, your track record right now is... ehhhh.

Considering "insiders" are, to most, simply people who know or will relay information not known by the general public, the divide between you hearing stuff in a discord and having contacts yourself is minimal. Because, frankly, a lot of insiders are only insiders because of what they hear in closed circles.

I would just consider getting your ducks in a line just a little bit more before going public with stuff, if you're at all concerned with how the info will be received past a group among whom you're a tight-knit member. But if you're not, don't worry. If you're really only concerned with the volume of discourse in this one thread... like I said, you're fine.
 

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Yeah. I remember a day when leak-driven speculation around here wasn’t so...Costly. And I’m sorry you’ve been caught in the crosshairs of that from time to time. For what it’s worth, there are plenty of people who don’t feel that way about you, or leaks in general.

I think R RetrogamerMax has a point about the ballot really shifting the conversation. I also wonder if the growing age of the fan base has anything to do with it too. As if the fandoms we had as kids take on the same amount of investment and gravitas we’ve always given them...We’re just better at stressing over them now.
Meanwhile, I've been conditioned to not be so severely disappointed with the final choices, and actually embrace various possibilities. There's a reason why you never see me in only a single thread. Although the fact that I think differently than most people may have something to do with it.

What frustrates me is when people give up or go on a frenzy just because of minimal information that can't be proven immediately. It gets hard to keep people's hopes up, since I've never been that good at negotiations.
 
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Yeah. I remember a day when leak-driven speculation around here wasn’t so...Costly. And I’m sorry you’ve been caught in the crosshairs of that from time to time. For what it’s worth, there are plenty of people who don’t feel that way about you, or leaks in general.

I think R RetrogamerMax has a point about the ballot really shifting the conversation. I also wonder if the growing age of the fan base has anything to do with it too. As if the fandoms we had as kids take on the same amount of investment and gravitas we’ve always given them...We’re just better at stressing over them now.
I think as fans get older and the fanbase of a character get's bigger as time moves on, there is this sense of entitlement that some fans get.
 

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I'm waiting on a response because, believe me, it kind of stopped the conversation dead last night but I'm also trying not to be too annoying about it. According to Sabi, sometimes he does just drop hints and then disappears for awhile so I may not get any clarification at all.
Where can we find this picture? I'm curious.
 

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Look, I don't want your credibility to diminish, despite what it seems like from our last interchange there are many times I actually do value your input. Clearly a lot of people do. And like I said, you're fortunate this place still totally engages with your hints and such. The thing is, my point about Vergeben was to say that even when you spend most of the time disclosing completely accurate information (at least about Smash), the fanbase will turn on you for just being vague, let alone being wrong. And as it stands, your track record right now is... ehhhh.

Considering "insiders" are, to most, simply people who know or will relay information not known by the general public, the divide between you hearing stuff in a discord and having contacts yourself is minimal. Because, frankly, a lot of insiders are only insiders because of what they hear in closed circles.

I would just consider getting your ducks in a line just a little bit more before going public with stuff, if you're at all concerned with how the info will be received past a group among whom you're a tight-knit member. But if you're not, don't worry. If you're really only concerned with the volume of discourse in this one thread... like I said, you're fine.
I'm sorry; I'll try to be less defensive in the future and take these things more into consideration. I'm kind of a mess and really ought to be medicated for this sort of thing. Get really depressed or get super defensive seem to be my go-tos in these situations and I need to do better at addressing it.
 

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Thankfully, speculation is only a side-thing I do just for fun. Smash Ultimate is an amazing game for what it is, and it's hard to think of anything else to really make it more than what it already is. The obvious thing for me is if characters like Geno, Doomguy or some other "out there" character finds their way into the game. The last two DLC characters could be totally boring and I'll still get a kick out of what Sakurai has managed to pull off with this title. I have fun reading all of these different viewpoints from various regulars in this thread. It helps not to put so much stock into a hobby like gaming but I understand it can mean something much more for somebody else, though I feel it starts to cross a line when people start feeling threatened over something like characters getting into a video game.

I'm probably just spinning my wheels at this point but I like it when any kind of information gets the blood flowing through this thread again; sometimes I miss seeing certain users posting in this thread when I figure they're either taking a break or playing the game in the meantime. I'd like to contribute more myself but there's not much I can think to add to what's already been discussed. I don't really think the two music tracks getting blocked by Nintendo mean much of anything; I'd like to be proven wrong though. I don't think I'm creative enough to come up with anything based on the picture that was posted (and this is where other people start posting what they think it might mean and I'll think, "Why didn't I think of that?")
 

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(Warning: This is one hell of a reach)

Okay so I'm looking into the European Starling and I came up with a thought what if instead of it being tied to the details of a European Starling it's instead using the bird as a reference towards something else. We can assume that the source didn't just randomly choose a bird and it just so happened to be a European Starling but instead of the details mattering only the name matters. Again, It's a reach but for the sake of argument and talk let's just roll with it.


Let's say the only two things that matter with the bird is that 1) There is a bird and 2) European Starling. What could the significance of the words "European Starling" be? Well if this is indeed for Geno Star would be pretty obvious as Geno is a Star Spirit, The first name could be a sly joke about Super Mario RPG not being initially released in Europe and what could the Bird's presence mean?

Well, What relation does Geno have with Birds? We could look at his design which if the details of the bird did matter which it may or may not have they do have some similarities here's a list of similarities I could find:
"The European starling is a medium-sized, black songbird with short, triangular wings, speckled plumage, and a short tail."

"They are about six inches long - similar in size to the America Robin - with a pointed bill that is yellow, but becomes dark in the fall."

"The wings have a green hue whereas the wing ending is brownish black."

"The new feather tips are whitish, giving the bird a speckled appearance. Over the winter sunlight and weather dulls the speckled look and the bird becomes uniform dark brown or black."

"Juveniles are drab gray-brown overall."

"The song is a rather quiet series of rattles and whistled notes, often containing mimicry of other bird species. Flight call a purring "prurrp.""

So what can we learn from these quotes? They're about Six inches long, A part of their body is Triangular, They're Yellow, Brown, And they have have a rattling like cry.

Six inches long is quite short but of course it's a bird so this very well may mean nothing I'm just throwing out ideas. It's still quite short though and most dolls or plushies come in sizes of 6-8 inches like: This One, This One, This One, This One, This One and plenty others. Maybe the size is mimicking a dolls size which is why they chose a short bird like this if the details do indeed matter.

A part of their body is triangular which in this case is their wings while Geno would have his nose as the triangular part of his body.

Yellow and Brown are two very predominant parts of Geno's color scheme as Geno is brown since he's a doll and parts of his cape and hat are Yellow.

And finally the big thing that really stood out to me from the very get go was the Rattling sound which many upon many of fan made trailers or animations have Geno associated with. Like here for example, When Geno falls in this animatic he makes a rattling sound and I recall seeing this sort of association elsewhere plenty of times.

If the details do matter then there are some comparisons to be made.
But if they don't? Then the bird being a hint may be a sly nod to this specific remix of Beware the Forests Mushrooms
This is one of the more infamous things surrounding Geno so if it is a hint towards Geno it not only serves as that but it also serves as a link from Geno to Smash and it even has birds chirping in the background like the picture hint has a bird in it.

That's just my theory though and I may be dead wrong.
 

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Taking a moment to calm down, I suppose it wouldn't be a super huge reach to consider a Smash Direct. Smash 4 had 2 prerelease and the stand alone special presentation (the Robin trailer) and 2 for DLC. This game technically had 3 prerelease. I suppose a Smash Direct akin to what we got with Lucas, Roy, and Ryu wouldn't be too weird since that one was at the "half way" mark too.
 

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We could get a direct but the lack of a buzz abt a direct has me doubting it. Hopefully we'll get a Hero video w Geno as a costume in August, but thats all I'm expecting.
 

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So before I go spreading this around I'd like to confirm some stuff.

- This was posted on Sabi's discord.

- The guy who posted this is the one who previously, also on Sabi's discord, posted a hint towards Banjo-Kazooie.

Do I have that right? We know for sure that this guy knew in advance that Banjo was coming? Did Sabi vouch for him that time?
 
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So before I go spreading this around I'd like to confirm some stuff.

- This was posted on Sabi's discord.

- The guy who posted this is the one who previously, also on Sabi's discord, posted a hint towards Banjo-Kazooie.

Do I have that right?
-The private Discord, not the public one. Several of us here like me and Slender Slender are a part of it.

-Yes and the source is not only Sabi's most reliable source when it comes to Nintendo info but inside info period. His track record is pretty much perfect and, yes, there's been a couple of times where he has leaked big news in the form of super vague picture hints.
 

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-The private Discord, not the public one. Several of us here like me and Slender Slender are a part of it.

-Yes and the source is not only Sabi's most reliable source when it comes to Nintendo info but inside info period. His track record is pretty much perfect and, yes, there's been a couple of times where he has leaked big news in the form of super vague picture hints.
Thanks. Do you mind if I bring up where this info came from?
 
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Thanks. Do you mind if I bring up where this info came from?
I guess mentioning its a private Discord is fine. Obviously, I can't reveal all the members but several people here can vouch it's real.

I take this seriously because, even if he trolls us sometimes, he's never been deceptive or lied about anything. I honestly wish I knew him in real life because all in all he's a really cool person and I don't say that lightly.
 

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The thing that makes me especially curious with the bird choice is that Sabi's source is a Geno supporter, and if my interpretation (while not being a member of that Discord myself) is correct, aren't most, if not all, of the people in there Geno supporters? It makes me wonder if he would post a hint involving a hecking starling for anything else, given that the kind of bird is something people would zero in on and surely relate to Geno. Especially with Smash DLC hype at its highest and dread being its strongest for Geno's Mii costume, the timing and the content sparks a bit of intrigue in particular. I'm not getting my hopes up, being far too jaded in general, but it makes me raise an eyebrow. What if Geno is coming as a bonus tied to the Hero in some way?
 

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I'm sure some people would take this hint of the starling and somehow equate Geno to an invasive species, which isn't cool.
 

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The Starling picture hints at Geno because it symbolizes Geno flying away from the chains of captivity because Square has held him in captivity for 20 years man. He's breaking free. Our boy is coming home.
 
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If you're going to conflate what I said with an attack against you as a person, then if I agree I'm a ***** and if I go "no, don't worry about it", your self-pity wins out. I mean, textbook manipulation.

No, I'm just talking about the action of premature disclosure. Share what you want to share. You're fortunate this thread still eats it all up. But in my opinion it seems the opposite of constructive, and from what I've observed, it's gradually chipping away at your general credibility. It seems to me both issues could be resolved by just sitting on the info until something more tangible can be shared, but if goal is simply activity in this one thread instead of more widespread proactivity, you're doing fine.


Am I? This is the first I've ever responded to anything fatman has shared, and soon I'll be done talking about it. Meanwhile this thread will carry on rehashing the nothing for pages. Which apparently was the whole point of sharing it, even though if any thread doesn't require external input to stay active, it's this one.

And feel free to go back and see how upset I was (or wasn't) over the Grinch leak.
If I could offer some constructive criticism: I’ve noticed that you tend to reply to people in this thread if they’re somehow in disagreement with you or you disagree with their ideas in a very arrogant or condescending way at times. Almost as if you have to “stick it” to people here constantly and that you somehow are above the rest of us in the way you go about things.

Reading some of your posts if feels like you have some pretty strong opinions about the thread and the people in it to the point of being pretty acerbic towards people having hope about Geno but still skirting below the line of straight up flaming people. That’s not to say criticism or skepticism isn’t something that can’t be constructive or productive, but the way in which you word things sometimes honestly just feels contemptuous and out of nowhere and I’m not surprised Fatman or anyone else has reacted defensively as as a result.

Idk man I just don’t see the point of being this condescending this often and really think you could make essentially the same points without it and get much less defensive responses from others.
 

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Here's those aforementioned Banjo-Kazooie teasers Sabi shared on Discord. They were both posted in the banjo thread on June 4th, exactly a week prior to their reveal.
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I've been thinking of the E3 2015 Smash Direct and the Joker "Direct." The prior was about 18 minutes and Joker's was about 15. Both covered Mii costumes, stages, and new modes too. That said, a Smash Direct doesn't necessarily have to be a super long presentation.
 

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I'm sure some people would take this hint of the starling and somehow equate Geno to an invasive species, which isn't cool.
The Genos are just finding their way in now.

You open your cereal box, and a Geno pops out.
You try to go into your car, five Genos tumble out of your car.
You go to work and take a peek outside of your cubicle, only to find ten Genos on the ground near you.
You go to pick up dinner before you stop home, and in your takeout box, there's a Geno trying to eat your noodles.
You go home. The lights are off. You flick the switch, and bam, easily about a hundred Genos all throughout your house. One has a lamp shade on his head. One is literally living in your fridge. Five are trying to pull another two out of the couch cushions. Another one is trying to get into your bank account.

Those damn Genos.
 

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Guys. I know what that bird picture means. Jojo is coming to the Switch.
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It’s obviously a tease for Geno’s Birdwatching Excursion S: Definitive Edition.

I guess if he teased something, it’s probably coming soon.
 
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The Genos are just finding their way in now.

You open your cereal box, and a Geno pops out.
You try to go into your car, five Genos tumble out of your car.
You go to work and take a peek outside of your cubicle, only to find ten Genos on the ground near you.
You go to pick up dinner before you stop home, and in your takeout box, there's a Geno trying to eat your noodles.
You go home. The lights are off. You flick the switch, and bam, easily about a hundred Genos all throughout your house. One has a lamp shade on his head. One is literally living in your fridge. Five are trying to pull another two out of the couch cushions. Another one is trying to get into your bank account.

Those damn Genos.
I want to live in this world.
 
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The Genos are just finding their way in now.

You open your cereal box, and a Geno pops out.
You try to go into your car, five Genos tumble out of your car.
You go to work and take a peek outside of your cubicle, only to find ten Genos on the ground near you.
You go to pick up dinner before you stop home, and in your takeout box, there's a Geno trying to eat your noodles.
You go home. The lights are off. You flick the switch, and bam, easily about a hundred Genos all throughout your house. One has a lamp shade on his head. One is literally living in your fridge. Five are trying to pull another two out of the couch cushions. Another one is trying to get into your bank account.

Those damn Genos.
All of that while watching a Papageno video and posting on the Papageno Discord server.
 
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These hints are obviously pointing towards a car driving simulator with Geno as the main character
 

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If a Direct is possibly on the horizon, the only things I can think of them being about is Fire Emblem or Smash unless they decide to do something like give Bayonetta 3 a Direct out of the blue. Fire Emblem: Three Thrones comes out next week so the timing would be appropriate but every other big name title is still awhile off with the next big thing being, I believe, Link's Awakening in late September.
 

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If a Direct is possibly on the horizon, the only things I can think of them being about is Fire Emblem or Smash unless they decide to do something like give Bayonetta 3 a Direct out of the blue. Fire Emblem: Three Thrones comes out next week so the timing would be appropriate but every other big name title is still awhile off with the next big thing being, I believe, Link's Awakening in late September.
Could be Fire Emblem, given the names of the three houses, but none of them have anything close to relation with a European starling...
 

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Seems weird to hint about a game that is coming out soon that we basically know all the info of already.
 

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I'd agree, but since Nintendo has a huge DLC focus and past FE games have gotten DLC before, there's always that option.
They already announced the Season Pass for Three Houses though.

The option i'm not seeing anyone bring up is if this is a hint for Smash AND Three Houses.
 

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Seems weird to hint about a game that is coming out soon that we basically know all the info of already.
Yeah every other hint was in relation to something we didn’t know about yet.

We didn’t know the Link’s Awakening remake was coming and we didn’t know Banjo was actually getting in

Dropping a hint about Fire Emblem wouldn’t make sense and it’s not really a franchise that warrants cryptic hints like this. I might be the biggest Fire Emblem fan in this thread, and I have no desire to decipher hints for the game that’s coming out in like 10 days when we already basically know most of what there is to know.

With Hero coming any day now and nothing else for Nintendo to really report on this soon after e3, smash is the only thing that makes sense
 
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