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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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They already announced the Season Pass for Three Houses though.

The option i'm not seeing anyone bring up is if this is a hint for Smash AND Three Houses.
Dear god, no, save the new FE characters for the next game when all the guff is cut down, and only if the other classes finally get some representation. (Where are my staff users at, Nintendo?! I love me my staff users!)
 

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Forgot to ask, do we have any reason to believe that this is a Smash hint? Could it be for another game?
 

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They already announced the Season Pass for Three Houses though.

The option i'm not seeing anyone bring up is if this is a hint for Smash AND Three Houses.

>Thinks about how the West responded to Dragon Quest in Smash.
>Thinks about how people would respond to another Fire Emblem ad character that people have to actively pay for.

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The problem I have with it being Smash related is that we just had that double reveal for E3. Banjo's page isn't even available yet. Would seem strange to drop yet another character reveal this soon after E3 when Hero isn't out yet and we can't even access the page for Banjo yet.

That is of course. This isn't a hint towards a fighter pass character but a bonus character.
 
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Hey everybody, quick and dirty introduction:

I've been lurking in here since a little bit before e3. I'm a Genoboomer supporting the boi since Brawl. Life long SMRPG fan only predating the game itself by 2 years

Been wanting to hop in since things have been getting weird since banjo/hero.
 

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Forgot to ask, do we have any reason to believe that this is a Smash hint? Could it be for another game?
Not concretely but, like I said, based on the current release schedule, Fire Emblem: Three Thrones is coming out next week and Hero's probably going to drop by the end of the month. Beyond that, Nintendo's release schedule is kind of bare until September. Brass tacks, we just know that it's a hint towards an upcoming Nintendo announcement given the source.
 

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Hey everybody, quick and dirty introduction:

I've been lurking in here since a little bit before e3. I'm a Genoboomer supporting the boi since Brawl. Life long SMRPG fan only predating the game itself by 2 years

Been wanting to hop in since things have been getting weird since banjo/hero.
Welcome to the Geno thread! My name is ShotoStar and I hope you enjoy your stay! Things certainly have gotten weird since Banjo/Hero got revealed.
 

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Decided to make a new Geno thumbnail; I just used the render by Nibroc-Rock:

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My previous thumbnail:
Geno (Ultimate).png

I did have a problem, however: I couldn't find an HD version of the new banner. I guess, admittedly, I could've stuck with the original...but oh well I guess.
 

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Oh! Yeah... Just in case people missed it earlier, Jon from Game Explain is "Otter posting" again. Jon has a history of doing this when he has learned that a Nintendo Direct is happening soon (usually happens in a two week time frame). That said, the starling hint probably ties into an actual presentation, not just a standalone game announcement.
 
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Hey everybody, quick and dirty introduction:

I've been lurking in here since a little bit before e3. I'm a Genoboomer supporting the boi since Brawl. Life long SMRPG fan only predating the game itself by 2 years

Been wanting to hop in since things have been getting weird since banjo/hero.
Heya, welcome! I'm Ovaltine, and I love Geno, the cute little star in the tiny doll, way too much... but I think we all do.

Things have been crazy and a little pessimistic, but we're keeping hope alive!

(Also, don't know where the art in your avatar is from (or if you drew it?), but it is darn nice.)
 
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Heya, welcome! I'm Ovaltine, and I love Geno, the cute little star in the tiny doll, way too much... but I think we all do.

Things have been crazy and a little pessimistic, but we're keeping hope alive!

(Also, don't know where the art in your avatar is from (or if you drew it?), but it is darn nice.)
I believe we actually spoke on twitter before haha
And yeah I drew it! It's actually a crop of a larger piece that also features Erdrick.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Nemo_Namikaze/status/1138218394539315200
 

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i think this hint's definitely Geno-related given the timing - if it isn't i'll be surprised - but part of me feels like this could really be for anything; a mario RPG remake, the mii costume, a surprise Smash reveal, another cameo in some new Mario game or something like that, its tricky to say
its probably a smash thing, but at the same time, who knows. for all we know we could get a new paper mario game with Geno in it
i'd be surprised to see Nintendo do a direct so soon after E3. i was thinking we'd probably get a direct either next month or in September, but a July direct would definitely be a pleasant surprise
Hero's apparently coming soon though, so all this could just be for another Joker-esque update video with the Geno costume in it among other things or something like that
i don't see them revealing a new DLC fighter in the update video though if they do one, i feel like those are things they like to save for directs
 
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Geno being a literal starling has me hot and bothered.

I am ready to be hurt again.
I feel like this wouldn't be outside of Sabi's source to be this on the nose about it (note his Banjo hints). As you said, "ling" is a suffix for something small so a "starling" would, at face value, be a small star, which Geno's real form is. Still, I don't know but Sabi's source really isn't one for jerking people around either. The guy has a history of trying to let fanbases down easily because he knew most, if not all, of the ATs by the K. Rool Direct last year and tried to get people to curb their expectations with certain characters for literally months but was kind of between a rock and hard place by not being allowed to flat out say they weren't going to make it.
 

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I feel like this wouldn't be outside of Sabi's source to be this on the nose about it (note his Banjo hints). As you said, "ling" is a suffix for something small so a "starling" would, at face value, be a small star, which Geno's real form is. Still, I don't know but Sabi's source really isn't one for jerking people around either. The guy has a history of trying to let fanbases down easily because he knew most, if not all, of the ATs by the K. Rool Direct last year and tried to get people to curb their expectations with certain characters for literally months but was kind of between a rock and hard place by not being allowed to flat out say they weren't going to make it.
Them not being able to say anything is what made the whole Grinch Hoax debacle so awful. The only one who said anything was Vergeben about Isaac. I mean, he also said he didn't think Geno was in, but that's his opinion, and I don't remember him every saying otherwise. I feel bad for the guy. Imagine if he can could say a lot more so people could get the disappointment out of their systems far earlier than the actual reveal.
 

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Them not being able to say anything is what made the whole Grinch Hoax debacle so awful. The only one who said anything was Vergeben about Isaac. I mean, he also said he didn't think Geno was in, but that's his opinion, and I don't remember him every saying otherwise. I feel bad for the guy. Imagine if he can could say a lot more so people could get the disappointment out of their systems far earlier than the actual reveal.
Verge did it as a middle finger to the Isaac fanbase because it was the biggest fanbase he could piss off that he had sufficient evidence that they weren't playable. Verge specifically did this to be a **** and has kind of gone into detail how much he resents the Smash fanbase as a whole. It was his equivalent of throwing a hand grenade in a hen house before the last Smash Direct happened.
 

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Verge did it as a middle finger to the Isaac fanbase because it was the biggest fanbase he could piss off that he had sufficient evidence that they weren't playable. Verge specifically did this to be a **** and has kind of gone into detail how much he resents the Smash fanbase as a whole. It was his equivalent of throwing a hand grenade in a hen house before the last Smash Direct happened.
It's also the only thing that was remotely convincing other than a bad background used for the hoax.

Besides that... nobody else was an AT. That was literally his only example to use. I don't remember him remotely doing so to piss people off. Just to actually give correct information to debunk a hoax. Guy's an ass sometimes, but I honestly don't remember any real hostility in it. The timing sucks, but that was the only time it made sense to even release that information. otherwise, no point in saying anything... unless it's to debunk a leak.
 

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Verge did it as a middle finger to the Isaac fanbase because it was the biggest fanbase he could piss off that he had sufficient evidence that they weren't playable. Verge specifically did this to be a **** and has kind of gone into detail how much he resents the Smash fanbase as a whole. It was his equivalent of throwing a hand grenade in a hen house before the last Smash Direct happened.
To be fair with Verg, the guy always insists that he dumps information for everyone's interest, not with any other agendas in mind. Hell, he was bugged by Polar' accusation of stealing info, since he doesn't think leakers to be competing for attention.

And even if he did that to spite people, we should remember that guys around different websites always search for ways to discredit him on Smash stuff or attack him just for sharing what he knew about the game, which is why he was tempted to call it quits on Smash leaks.
 

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It's also the only thing that was remotely convincing other than a bad background used for the hoax.

Besides that... nobody else was an AT. That was literally his only example to use. I don't remember him remotely doing so to piss people off. Just to actually give correct information to debunk a hoax. Guy's an *** sometimes, but I honestly don't remember any real hostility in it. The timing sucks, but that was the only time it made sense to even release that information. otherwise, no point in saying anything... unless it's to debunk a leak.
Yeah the Isaac situation with Vergeben didn’t seem all that malicious. It was a pretty straight forward, he’s an AT and moved along. He’s had some frustrating stuff and he’s been a bit of an ass as you’ve said, but I wouldn’t say he’s ever been an excessively vengeful or malicious person in what he’s done.
 

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Yeah the Isaac situation with Vergeben didn’t seem all that malicious. It was a pretty straight forward, he’s an AT and moved along. He’s had some frustrating stuff and he’s been a bit of an *** as you’ve said, but I wouldn’t say he’s ever been an excessively vengeful or malicious person in what he’s done.
Worst is replies to those harassing him at best. Doesn't justify any of the **** he said, but it didn't come out of nowhere either. People will lash out if they're getting harassed. It's a two-way street.

Other than that, he has jumped the gun before, but is doing a lot better job in many cases. Smash-wise, he's doing a bit better, though for Nintendo alone he made a pretty big error with one direct. Though to be fair, he also was convinced of the user, so there was no malicious intent either in that case. What it's more like is "he told what he honestly thought was the truth", which is a completely reasonable for any leaker to do. Now if he's stopped responding horribly to people and report those harassing him, things should get better. ...If GameFAQs would even do anything anyway. :/
 

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Yeah the Isaac situation with Vergeben didn’t seem all that malicious. It was a pretty straight forward, he’s an AT and moved along. He’s had some frustrating stuff and he’s been a bit of an *** as you’ve said, but I wouldn’t say he’s ever been an excessively vengeful or malicious person in what he’s done.
I do agree that it was probably retaliatory because, in many ways, the Smash fanbase has been awful to him too. I have mixed feelings on the topic, especially with how Verge acted in the aftermath of the Grinch Leak and his now infamous rant.
 

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>Thinks about how the West responded to Dragon Quest in Smash.
>Thinks about how people would respond to another Fire Emblem ad character that people have to actively pay for.

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The thing is, while a chunk of the Smash fanbase loudly despises anime, swordsmen and anime swordsmen, Dragon Quest could have had worse responses to it but people mostly understood what a big name series it is. It helped temper dislike. That, and adding Banjo.

But adding another FE character, again as DLC, again before their game comes out (they would have to be worked on in Smash well before 3 Houses releases), and considering their bad track record, again as a sword user? 8 characters? Nope, that is not going to fly. It will be Corrin all over again.

I like FE, but could it please share that Smash spotlight with other franchises instead? The fact that Zelda, one of Nintendo's and gaming's biggest franchises, has not have a true newcomer since Melee is a sin.


I do agree that it was probably retaliatory because, in many ways, the Smash fanbase has been awful to him too. I have mixed feelings on the topic, especially with how Verge acted in the aftermath of the Grinch Leak and his now infamous rant.
I think in the end, neither those Smash fanbase users or Vergeben can claim the moral high ground.
 
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The thing is, while a chunk of the Smash fanbase loudly despises anime, swordsmen and anime swordsmen, Dragon Quest could have had worse responses to it but people mostly understood what a big name series it is. It helped temper dislike. That, and adding Banjo.

But adding another FE character, again as DLC, again before their game comes out (they would have to be worked on in Smash well before 3 Houses releases), and considering their bad track record, again as a sword user? 8 characters? Nope, that is not going to fly. It will be Corrin all over again.

I like FE, but could it please share that Smash spotlight with other franchises instead? The fact that Zelda, one of Nintendo's and gaming's biggest franchises, has not have a true newcomer since Melee is a sin.
By the fact both young link and toon link exist as separate entities, Zelda has had a new character since melee, it’s just another link.
 

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>Thinks about how the West responded to Dragon Quest in Smash.
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Man, I admit that a lot of the characters in Three Houses looks good and I am excited to play it, but I don't want a Three Houses character in Smash Bros just yet. It's too new and we don't know much about it. Plus seeing how the ARMS series and Rex & Pyra are unable to get into Smash Bros now because their game got released in 2017 makes me instantly not want any new game character that comes out in 2019. That's just not fair.
 

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Man, I admit that a lot of the characters in Three Houses looks good and I am excited to play it, but I don't want a Three Houses character in Smash Bros just yet. It's too new and we don't know much about it. Plus seeing how the ARMS series and Rex & Pyra are unable to get into Smash Bros now because their game got released in 2017 makes me instantly not want any new game character that comes out in 2019. That's just not fair.
This. Rex as a costume was definitely a bitter pill to swallow for a lot of people and Spring Man/Ribbon Girl kind of sucked too so getting characters that the public didn't know about until 2018 would be pretty brutal. Plus, I don't think FE needs the extra help. It's arguably an A tier game now thanks to Smash so it could easily be said that it's out grown purely premotional characters.
 

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Man, I admit that a lot of the characters in Three Houses looks good and I am excited to play it, but I don't want a Three Houses character in Smash Bros just yet. It's too new and we don't know much about it. Plus seeing how the ARMS series and Rex & Pyra are unable to get into Smash Bros now because their game got released in 2017 makes me instantly not want any new game character that comes out in 2019. That's just not fair.
Agreed. As much as my gay ass already loves Edelgard and wants to date the heck out of her (isn't she going to canonically be able to be romanced by at least one female character in the game?! Is it fem!Byleth?), keep her far away from Smash Ultimate. Any future stuff? Sure, go for it. Smash 6 would be a way better time for her or another FE rep. Now... would not be a great time at all.
 

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I would be 100% with Edelgard purely for the fact that she has an axe. That's my only qualifier.
 

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I've got three glasses of wine in me but, seriously, how ****ing cathartic would it be if Geno somehow miraculously closed out Hero's presentation? Think of it like this: Hero intro, moveset explanation, probably something about the music, something about the stage, new mode explanation, Mii costume introductions, "Oh, and one more thing", the screen goes black and the slash appears. I think I'd **** myself into outer space, buh-gawd.
 

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Been off work for a while and...Oh boy did I just catch up. Not sure what to think about this. Incredibly obscure, but not as obscure as the Blue Crab pic. I mean, European Starling? If it was a Ryu Hayabusa hint, I would think seeing an eagle would make more sense. But a starling...I think this one is on the nose.

I hope this guy gives us one more picture like they did with Banjo to really tell us whats up. Also, Jon giving us otters now!? Maybe a mini direct is coming?
OR
Alpha Dream is ready to show us there new game!?! (DOUBTFUL)
 
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Agreed. As much as my gay *** already loves Edelgard and wants to date the heck out of her (isn't she going to canonically be able to be romanced by at least one female character in the game?! Is it fem!Byleth?), keep her far away from Smash Ultimate. Any future stuff? Sure, go for it. Smash 6 would be a way better time for her or another FE rep. Now... would not be a great time at all.
Yes, Edelgard can be romanced by fem!Byleth.

While I am okay with Edelgard due to the differences she has compared to the other FE characters and my general lack of caring when it comes to how the series are balanced, I can understand why the reaction to her would be less than positive, especially after seeing the reaction to the announcement of the NoA twitter focusing extensively on Three Houses in the weeks leading up to the game.
 

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Well, I'm just going to say this: after going through three hype characters like Joker, Hero and Banjo; it'd be a real downer to end (or at least follow up) this DLC season with a Fire Emblem character of all things. Another reason why I want the whole line-up to be third-party.
 

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Ok I've had this thought and it's a 0-chance but I wanna voice it.

European - Galar region

Starling - we have a literal starling Pokemon

It's a photo - new Pokemon snap?

Again, I very much doubt that especially considering we're in the swsh 'hype cycle'. I really need to stretch before reaching like that, I'm gonna pull something.
 
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Ok I've had this thought and it's a 0-chance but I wanna voice it.

European - Galar region

Starling - we have a literal starling Pokemon

It's a photo - new Pokemon snap?

Again, I very much doubt that especially considering we're in the swsh 'hype cycle'. I really need to stretch before reaching like that, I'm gonna pull something.
Stretch your quads, YOUR QUADS!! But actually...That isn't to out of the realm of possibility. It could also just mean new Pokemon news, though we did get some news within this last week. Who knows.
 
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Agreed. As much as my gay *** already loves Edelgard and wants to date the heck out of her (isn't she going to canonically be able to be romanced by at least one female character in the game?! Is it fem!Byleth?), keep her far away from Smash Ultimate. Any future stuff? Sure, go for it. Smash 6 would be a way better time for her or another FE rep. Now... would not be a great time at all.
Yeah, another Fire Emblem character would be alright at a later date, but Three House needs to come out out and leave an impression. Like during the entire Smash Bros speculation when it comes to Three Houses there were a lot that people didn't know, like Byleth was the main character while Edelgard was a major character but not the main character, the five year time skip, and Byleth with a whip sword and time manipulation?(I haven't been keeping up with Three Houses news, trying to go in blind). There was so much we didn't know about Three Houses so it needs to wait until next Fighter Pass for a character to get in, only after Rex and an ARMS rep get in.
 

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I can't wait to see how obvious the hint was after we see what it is hinting at.

If it is Geno it still might not make much sense to me. But I still don't understand the Blue Crab=Link's Awakening hint so I might just be dumb :v
 
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Stretch your quads, YOUR QUADS!! But actually...That isn't to out of the realm of possibility. It could also just mean new Pokemon news, though we did get some news within this last week. Who knows.
I guess if there's a general direct it could be plausible. Though I do remember Masuda saying something about there being no plans for a new snap.

I'm just more thirsty for nature photography than I probably should be.
 
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