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The bird on the roof makes me think of horror movies...Luigi’s mansion hint?
What would they be hinting towards about Luigi's Mansion? We pretty much know everything and it's only coming out in a couple of months. Unless Luigi's Mansion 3 gets DLC or something I don't really see that as a plausible theory and I don't really think Luigi's Mansion would work well with DLC to be completely honest.
 

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Yeah, it's still kicking largely because it's the only statement that the source has made literally in the past year that hasn't come to fruition or been proven false. It's worth noting because, up until the last Smash Direct, Jon from GameExplain was in the same boat and, based on my interactions with Sabi, I can confirm that he's also got super reliable Nintendo sources... It's just nobody knows who they are because he keeps it that deeply under wraps. Unlike Sabi's Nintendo source, Jon deliberately mixes fact and fiction to further cloud his sources. This is why this intial statement still lives: you have two super reliable Nintendo sources saying they've heard the same thing despite not having interactions with each other (or as far as I know).

It's an interesting case especially in the light that Steve really did wind up being deliberate misinformation. A lot of people fell for it, but not those two. I learned of this from two of Sabi's sources back in April and reported it here, which is what ultimately convinced me that Banjo was probably coming. This is significant to note because the same insiders who were 99% on board with Banjo being out of the running are the same that were like this about Geno too. Vergeben, Hitagi, and Xenother for example were super adament that Steve was coming. Other really reliable sources across the "gaming-sphere" were kind of neutral or ambiguous, implying that the evidence wasn't totally concrete for Banjo or Geno and that suggesting they were totally doneski was jumping the gun. That's why I've had a foundation of optimism after all this time.
This gives me hope. I figured that was still going strong, because if it wasn't, you would let us know if anything came up for it.

That is kind of incredible when you think about it.
 

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No, it's from the same source. Also, Sabi has a lot of sources but one main Nintendo one. This is where this has come from.
I’m honestly very happy to hear that the Sabi source that mentioned Geno awhile ago didn’t somehow get found out and ****canned after the whole E3 leak debacle. I’m keeping my expectations tempered just because a third character announcement so soon just feels very unlikely but if it is Geno related I’m going to lose my ****.
 

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I was thinking about the European Starling, while I generally believe it's geno related I started to think "what if its not related to Geno" another thought hit me that the bird is a hint on a new castlevania game, it has the name European on it and some castlevania games have taken place in Europe, they were seen as God's messagers by ancient romans and in the image the bird is on top of a roof which could mean a castle or a church. That's just my thought, what do you guys think?
 

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You guys have been busy huh?
Yo! What's up Noipoi? How've you been bud? Also yeah we've been pretty busy.
Yeah, it's still kicking largely because it's the only statement that the source has made literally in the past year that hasn't come to fruition or been proven false. It's worth noting because, up until the last Smash Direct, Jon from GameExplain was in the same boat and, based on my interactions with Sabi, I can confirm that he's also got super reliable Nintendo sources... It's just nobody knows who they are because he keeps it that deeply under wraps. Unlike Sabi's Nintendo source, Jon deliberately mixes fact and fiction to further cloud his sources. This is why this intial statement still lives: you have two super reliable Nintendo sources saying they've heard the same thing despite not having interactions with each other (or as far as I know).

It's an interesting case especially in the light that Steve really did wind up being deliberate misinformation. A lot of people fell for it, but not those two. I learned of this from two of Sabi's sources back in April and reported it here, which is what ultimately convinced me that Banjo was probably coming. This is significant to note because the same insiders who were 99% on board with Banjo being out of the running are the same that were like this about Geno too. Vergeben, Hitagi, and Xenother for example were super adament that Steve was coming. Other really reliable sources across the "gaming-sphere" were kind of neutral or ambiguous, implying that the evidence wasn't totally concrete for Banjo or Geno and that suggesting they were totally doneski was jumping the gun. That's why I've had a foundation of optimism after all this time.
So it's still very much alive? Thank god cause that's one of the few things that is keeping my hopes alive if just a little bit. Also let me get this straight Jon from GameXplain heard of Geno too? Cause if so that is really good for us.
 
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I was thinking about the European Starling, while I generally believe it's geno related I started to think "what if its not related to Geno" another thought hit me that the bird is a hint on a new castlevania game, it has the name European on it and some castlevania games have taken place in Europe, they were seen as God's messagers by ancient romans and in the image the bird is on top of a roof which could mean a castle or a church. That's just my thought, what do you guys think?
None of the picture hints have been anywhere near that intricate so I doubt this. One was a crab because it’s one of the first things you see in Link’s Awakening and the other was a picture of a bear and a bird and additionally a cartoon witch.

The hints seem pretty up front to me, and in this case a Starling is exactly what Geno is.

What’s been happening lately is kind of reminding me of the “coincidences” happening for Banjo right in front of our faces in the months leading up to his reveal.

Not to say this means Geno is for sure in or anything, but you really have to reach to figure out other characters that the hint picture could relate to.

What a time
 

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All his picture hints so far have been about unannounced things we don't know anything about. We already know a good amount about Three Houses and Luigi's Mansion. What point would there be in hinting towards them?
That's... Actually a good point... He's never given us hints about stuff we've already known about. His picture hints have always been for totally unannounced games except when its Smash related.

I was thinking about the European Starling, while I generally believe it's geno related I started to think "what if its not related to Geno" another thought hit me that the bird is a hint on a new castlevania game, it has the name European on it and some castlevania games have taken place in Europe, they were seen as God's messagers by ancient romans and in the image the bird is on top of a roof which could mean a castle or a church. That's just my thought, what do you guys think?
Probably not. Keep in mind that this source literally works for Nintendo so his info is exclusively for first and second party games. Castlevania is owned by Konami.
 

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Hey Fatmanonice Fatmanonice just a quick question. Maybe you know, maybe you don't. Did the NOA source know about The Hero? Did he know the identity or did that one elude them? Of course this was around when Sabi for C&D so maybe they didn't get anything. But I am curious.
 

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Everytime I think I'm out from the dlc speculation, I get pulled right back in Haha. Though I do have a question. What's the possibility that the geno mii costume comes back to throw everyone off that he is a playable character as well? Would be a very good way to throw people off the scent.
 

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I know I'm going to sound like a downer but I don't think that European Starling means Geno is going to be a fighter. At the very most it's probably saying the Mii Costume is back. I just refuse to believe that it's going to happen at this point, I would love to be wrong but I'm not going to get my hopes up that Geno is coming back in any real significance.
 

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I know I'm going to sound like a downer but I don't think that European Starling means Geno is going to be a fighter. At the very most it's probably saying the Mii Costume is back. I just refuse to believe that it's going to happen at this point, I would love to be wrong but I'm not going to get my hopes up that Geno is coming back in any real significance.
I have to wonder what the point would be for dropping hints relating to something that's well and truly expected at this point. and outside of the geno-sphere, people aren't really interested in hints relating to mii costumes. I'd have to think, that even if it doesn't relate to geno, it should relate to something a little more major.
 

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Hey Fatmanonice Fatmanonice just a quick question. Maybe you know, maybe you don't. Did the NOA source know about The Hero? Did he know the identity or did that one elude them? Of course this was around when Sabi for C&D so maybe they didn't get anything. But I am curious.
If he did he didn't "publically" share it. I have my suspicions that he knew and only told Sabi back in April because he kind of had a "step into my office, please" moment in the Discord and then later Sabi came back eluding that they had gotten big news from them but couldn't share it. I also noticed that around this time that there was a noticeable uptick in her confidence in a DQ character. Also, based on the way he regularly talked about the topic, I think he knew but I can't confirm and, unfortunately, Sabi can't come in here herself to clarify because of the C&D.

People have asked why this source is still safe and that's because, in his own words, they're not a public leaker. They could be in this thread right now under an alias and you all wouldn't even know it. He's involved and he's not an island by any means but he is careful and usually drops hints instead of being totally forward.
 

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Ok, guys, been busy all weekend and haven't been following the discussion. What's this about a European starling hinting towards Geno? Could someone give me a quick summary of what the hot news is right now?
 

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This hint has to be about an unannounced game or a smash character. I can't think of what else it could possibly be.

Black birds can be associated with demonic/paranormal activity. Doom Guy hint? Then you have all the stuff of people connecting the bird to Geno. Is it for an unannounced game, it is almost impossible to connect the dots when we don't know anything about said game.
 
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This hint has to be about an unannounced game or a smash character. I can't think of what else it could possibly be.
Which hint though? Did Nintendo release some kind of a picture or something? Was there a trailer for something I missed?
 

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I know I'm going to sound like a downer but I don't think that European Starling means Geno is going to be a fighter. At the very most it's probably saying the Mii Costume is back. I just refuse to believe that it's going to happen at this point, I would love to be wrong but I'm not going to get my hopes up that Geno is coming back in any real significance.
I can almost assure you that this source wouldn’t jerk everyone around to hint at a mii costume reveal to a group of Geno fans. He is in fact a really nice guy that knows most of the Geno fanbase wouldn’t be content with a return of the costume.

A mii costume isn’t worthy of him even hinting at. He drops unknown game reveals or smash playable characters.

Again, not to say this is for sure about Geno being playable, but I highly doubt it’s to hype people up for a costume we’ve all seen before
 

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Ok, guys, been busy all weekend and haven't been following the discussion. What's this about a European starling hinting towards Geno? Could someone give me a quick summary of what the hot news is right now?
-Sabi's main Nintendo source dropped a picture hint this weekend. He only does this if a Direct is on the horizon. This happened on the 13th.

-In relation to this, Jon from GameExplain started "otter posting" again on the 12th. He does this when he knows a Nintendo Direct is coming (and it typically happens in a 2 week timeframe).

-The picture in question is a European starling on a roof. Based on my interactions with him, the bird choice was probably deliberate.

-"Star" ling may be the takeaway but that's only a guess. At face value, you have basically two Nintendo franchises where stars are a central part of the games: Mario and Kirby. Yes, there's a lot of franchises that involve space but I don't think it was his intention.

-Sabi's Nintendo source only drops picture hints for totally unrevealed games unless it's Smash related. E3 just happened so a general Direct is very unlikely. We've narrowed that, based on the time frame, the Direct would be Smash, Fire Emblem based, or be an entirely new game. If it's a new game, why wasn't it at E3, especially if we go back to the "star" aspect of possibly being a Mario or Kirby game? Circling back, Sabi's source has never dropped hints about revealed games so Fire Emblem is theoretically out of the running too. This puts Smash as the most likely scenario based on what we know.

-A Smash Direct isn't totally out of the question because we technically haven't gotten one for this game's DLC yet. In comparison, Smash 4 had 2, one at the halfway mark and one at the end. Something interesting to note, there has been at least one special, stand alone Smash presentation every summer for the last three games.

That's basically where we're at right now.
 

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It makes sense for a smash direct, didn't sakurai himself say he wanted to share details on hero? And with the direct he can also cover any new game modes in smash( mainly home run contest) or talk about amiibos.
 

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It makes sense for a smash direct, didn't sakurai himself say he wanted to share details on hero? And with the direct he can also cover any new game modes in smash( mainly home run contest) or talk about amiibos.
Source on that? It'd be interesting if Sakurai wanted to share details on Hero himself, given Joker, a character he was insanely hyped to make, wasn't even presented by him.
 

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Something else to consider, Sabi's source didn't do picture hints for Joker's presentation (he literally gave us a heads up an hour before it happened) and Jon didn't otter post for it. In my opinion, this gives credence to it being an honest to God Direct instead of something, for example, just to explain Hero and some Mii costumes.
 

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-In relation to this, Jon from GameExplain started "otter posting" again on the 12th. He does this when he knows a Nintendo Direct is coming (and it typically happens in a 2 week timeframe).
/QUOTE]

Jon from gamexplain just tweeted this 3 hours ago, "My personal expectations are either Hero releases in August to fill the software gap or Hero launches late September to build momentum for Dragon Quest 11S (more likely)"
https://twitter.com/JonComms/status/1150725949291421696?s=20

What're your thoughts on this tweet? Thanks for giving us something exciting to talk about lol
 

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My whole issue with a Direct happening is that it's way too soon for another one after E3 IMO. I mean, in terms of a regular Direct and what have you. That's something better saved for September, 3 months out of E3.

A Smash related one? I could totally see happening. Sakurai could give us an overview of both Hero & Banjo's movesets (Hero given an immediate release), give specifics on when Banjo releases (which month), show off Home Run Contest & Mii Costumes, and if what people are saying turns out to be true Geno being sold as an additional fighter outside the Fighters Pass. Last one is a BIG if but it could happen I think.
 

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Remember the year when E3 was just a Smash direct and people were rather pissed? Maybe they took that to heart and wanted to avoid to much Smash at E3 this year. A general smash direct a month or two after E3 would be a logical course of action if they had a lot of smash content they wanted to talk about.
1. New Game Modes
2. More information about revealed DLC characters
3. Bonus information (Bonus character separate from the fighter pass perhaps?)
4. (unlikely) Smash fighter 4
 

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6eyondthegrave 6eyondthegrave : this honestly wouldn't surprise me and we even volleyballed this idea in the Discord a while back. For most cultures around the world, including Japan, August is the definitive summer month, mostly because this is when most people take their big vacations for the yeae. We got a Smash Direct in August last year. Shulk was announced in August 2014. Back in Brawl, Ike was literally announced August 1st 2007, being the first newcomer that had been announced in over a year. That said, August is no big stranger to Smash announcements and it does technically fall in the time frame of Jon's otter posting.
 

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-Sabi's main Nintendo source dropped a picture hint this weekend. He only does this if a Direct is on the horizon. This happened on the 13th.

-In relation to this, Jon from GameExplain started "otter posting" again on the 12th. He does this when he knows a Nintendo Direct is coming (and it typically happens in a 2 week timeframe).

-The picture in question is a European starling on a roof. Based on my interactions with him, the bird choice was probably deliberate.

-"Star" ling may be the takeaway but that's only a guess. At face value, you have basically two Nintendo franchises where stars are a central part of the games: Mario and Kirby. Yes, there's a lot of franchises that involve space but I don't think it was his intention.

-Sabi's Nintendo source only drops picture hints for totally unrevealed games unless it's Smash related. E3 just happened so a general Direct is very unlikely. We've narrowed that, based on the time frame, the Direct would be Smash, Fire Emblem based, or be an entirely new game. If it's a new game, why wasn't it at E3, especially if we go back to the "star" aspect of possibly being a Mario or Kirby game? Circling back, Sabi's source has never dropped hints about revealed games so Fire Emblem is theoretically out of the running too. This puts Smash as the most likely scenario based on what we know.

-A Smash Direct isn't totally out of the question because we technically haven't gotten one for this game's DLC yet. In comparison, Smash 4 had 2, one at the halfway mark and one at the end. Something interesting to note, there has been at least one special, stand alone Smash presentation every summer for the last three games.

That's basically where we're at right now.
Fascinating. I agree that the timing would be ideal for a smash direct, especially considering the precedent set by Smash 4. That's said, if we got one, I imagine that it would completely cover Hero's kit along with his release right after. If we're lucky, we might get more details about B-K, and then things could end off with the reveal of DLC#4. That would be my dream scenario anyway. I've been reading some of the speculatory reddits on the subject and so far, if we are to assume that the starling is related to Smash, the two running theories are that the bird would represent either Geno or Edelgard from the new Fire emblem game. I'm obviously bias toward Geno, but some have also tried to refute Edelgard on the grounds that the game is too new to get representation. I feel that Corrin would be an easy counter to that argument, but still, I hope it's Geno. I think we've got plenty of FE characters at the moment. Let's get some much anticipated new blood in here.
 

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I don't think the bird is supposed to represent death or supernatural forces. When it comes to bird choices, there's plenty to symbolicly convey this: crows, ravens, magpies, grackles, owls, nighthawks, certain types of hawks and eagles, vultures, hell, even things like sparrows and swans are traditionally harbingers of bad luck, death, and witchcraft in certain cultures. Again, I think the bird choice, a European starling, is deliberate but I don't know to what end.
 

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Yeah, with all this stuff going around I’d expect a Smash Direct if anything is coming. I agree that it’s way too soon to think about another general direct, and I highly doubt that Fire Emblem needs to reveal anything else. We’re less than two weeks away now. I also don’t see any other titles getting a specific direct since E3 was the big event that went all out on titles like Link’s Awakening and Luigi’s Mansion 3. This really only leaves Smash in my mind.

I don’t think it’ll come this week, though. I also wasn’t expecting Fighter #4, but this picture might actually be hinting at it. Still not completely sold on it being Geno, but I am hopeful. Maybe once we get closer we’ll get another picture like with Banjo-Kazooie so we can clear things up. Here’s hoping though!
 

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Real quick, was on gamefaqs and they were talking about this and gave me a different perspective on what this could mean. It could be Velvet Crowe, but if it was then he probably would've posted a picture of a crow instead.
 

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Yeah, it's still kicking largely because it's the only statement that the source has made literally in the past year that hasn't come to fruition or been proven false. It's worth noting because, up until the last Smash Direct, Jon from GameExplain was in the same boat and, based on my interactions with Sabi, I can confirm that he's also got super reliable Nintendo sources... It's just nobody knows who they are because he keeps it that deeply under wraps. Unlike Sabi's Nintendo source, Jon deliberately mixes fact and fiction to further cloud his sources. This is why this intial statement still lives: you have two super reliable Nintendo sources saying they've heard the same thing despite not having interactions with each other (or as far as I know).

It's an interesting case especially in the light that Steve really did wind up being deliberate misinformation. A lot of people fell for it, but not those two. I learned of this from two of Sabi's sources back in April and reported it here, which is what ultimately convinced me that Banjo was probably coming. This is significant to note because the same insiders who were 99% on board with Banjo being out of the running are the same that were like this about Geno too. Vergeben, Hitagi, and Xenother for example were super adament that Steve was coming. Other really reliable sources across the "gaming-sphere" were kind of neutral or ambiguous, implying that the evidence wasn't totally concrete for Banjo or Geno and that suggesting they were totally doneski was jumping the gun. That's why I've had a foundation of optimism after all this time.
Very interesting, thanks fo the update. If that rumor is still in play, then I think my estimation of Geno’s chances have been lower than what they may be in reality. I do remember Jon not so subtly hinting about Geno back in November as well and GameXplain using Beware the Forest’s Mushrooms during a DLC segment after the final direct. It just seemed like the Seven Squares and the amount of info coming out about Erdrick and DQ overshadowed the Geno rumor in NoA to the point where it just kinda faded away. Even Jon expressed his doubts about Geno in a later video, so I figured that was that. It’s great to hear that information is still ongoing, especially considering the quality of Sabi and Jon’s sources. No guarantees for sure, but just like Banjo, I guess we’ll have to wait and see. *Fingers Crossed*
 

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So, does this Nintendo bird tease relate to the female character that is going to be playable that was claimed by Milk-BOSATU, right? Even though I personally think that Nakoruru will not make it because it doesn't make sense to have her playable without Samurai Showdown's main playable character to be a fighter too.

Watch the bird end up being for Rivali from Breath of the Wild... smh
It would be cool to see Rivali come back in BOTW2.
 

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I am of the mind is that unless we get more information, the bird pic is related to a Direct announcement and not necessarily Smash-related (unless the source posted it in a Smash related channel).
 

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I kind of doubt it because of Sakurai's past statements on Tales.

Lloyd:

The Tales series has 20 years of history, how did you decide on Lloyd for the costume?

Sakurai: I’m not sure if there was any other appropriate choice?

For example, how about the protagonist of the first game, Cress? [TN: From Tales of Phantasia]

Sakurai: I really think it has to be Lloyd here (laughs). I could have gone down the route of choosing from the first entry in the series, but for old games it’s somewhat common for the editorial supervision from the original creator to make the process difficult.

Source: https://www.sourcegaming.info/2016/02/21/nintendodream3/
 

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Alright fellas, been taking some notes for possible hints towards geno making a return. So far...

>BRSTM mario rpg OST's taken down related to Geno
>The starling bird that was posted from a source
>a source from sabi claiming word about geno is going around NOA (this was back last year)
>Geno missing from Super Star Saga remake (remember, sakurai has priority when redesigning characters for smash, like K Rool)
>jon from gamexplain that he thinks Geno will be in (although he said geno would be first dlc)

Anything else fellas?
 
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Not to garner any false hope, but the hint being 'on the nose' could still mean something for us. Considering it's literally a 'starling'.

Even with limited knowledge of smrpg genos true nature is generally well known.

That said the chances are still grossly slim. Revealing character 4 without even releasing character 2? Pssshh
I mean, a hypothetical direct could say Hero out now and then show off Geno at the end. That way it'd be 2 out and 2 known. I do think it's a bit early for that considering it's only July and we have until February 2020 for all 5 characters, but it COULD happen...
 

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I mean, a hypothetical direct could say Hero out now and then show off Geno at the end. That way it'd be 2 out and 2 known. I do think it's a bit early for that considering it's only July and we have until February 2020 for all 5 characters, but it COULD happen...
That's why I personally believe that, if this somehow relates to Geno or a Smash character at all, it'll be some kind of bonus to go along with Hero or some other thing. Could also be a free character addition, which would make sense for Geno, a character people believed would make it into base roster (who, in fact, has a spirit in base).

ETA: Fatmanonice Fatmanonice I forgot to ask ya, my man, but how did you learn that it was a European starling? Was it in the file name of the image he sent or something? If that's the case, that makes it feel that much more deliberate.
 
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That's why I personally believe that, if this somehow relates to Geno or a Smash character at all, it'll be some kind of bonus to go along with Hero or some other thing. Could also be a free character addition, which would make sense for Geno, a character people believed would make it into base roster (who, in fact, has a spirit in base).
I don't know if Geno would be a bonus though- Banjo already has the next number in line. It seems more that Geno would be in the Fighters Pass or announced to come out after the pass was done as a bonus, but that doesn't make sense to me without knowing who else is in the Pass.
 

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I mean, a hypothetical direct could say Hero out now and then show off Geno at the end. That way it'd be 2 out and 2 known. I do think it's a bit early for that considering it's only July and we have until February 2020 for all 5 characters, but it COULD happen...
Unless they decided to pull a Corrin with him, making it just the character and some music. Technically there's no hard rule that all the characters have to be part of the pass, especially since Mrs. Plant wasn't. Plus, with the Mii costumes, we already know that the Fighters Pass isn't the definitive end all of all the payable DLC we're getting.
 

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So I actually recorded my reaction to the E3 Direct but I never uploaded it to my channel because I'm still learning how to edit and I wanted to put in some basic 'YTber effects' but also because I'm iffy on if my reaction was even any good.

Would you guys be interested in seeing it if I were to finish editing it?
 
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