SamusPoop
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General Ness discussion
- Thread starter thesage
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Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
To get things back on-track, does anyone use down smash?
I've started using it as a weird mix-up, people don't expect Ness to have that much range behind him that fast.
Unfortunately, bad hitbox and very laggy :/
I've started using it as a weird mix-up, people don't expect Ness to have that much range behind him that fast.
Unfortunately, bad hitbox and very laggy :/
Beat!
Smash Master
That's not why he knew it, mr. Tuesday.
Just sayin'
Just sayin'
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN!?
caps
caps
Sinji
Smash Master
I have been using it. Somtimes it sends them up depending the opponents falling speed. It has decent to very poor knockback. What you said about the lag. I whould use it in high percents due to the lag.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Mofo, my Ness > yours.
Callin' you out.
Callin' you out.
I've used d-smash a few times, but it's kind of hard to determine when to use it. I guess if you wanted to use PKT2 on purpose and have your opponent chase you, you could pull out a d-smash as something unexpected. I'm not sure how well it works in Melee compared to Brawl, though.
If anything, you should use your Yo-yo as an edge guard against opponents who don't have good recoveries, or those who are too low to recover correctly. It really messed up their return. It's a lame gimp, too. XD
Max?
Smash Champion
Ness Tier List
PC
Myself
Mofo
Yedi
~ 1000 other fake *****s
Simna
Mow
PC
Myself
Mofo
Yedi
~ 1000 other fake *****s
Simna
Mow
thesage
Smash Hero
I wish I could go to Apex T_T;
I'd love to Ness ditto all of you.
I'd love to Ness ditto all of you.
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
If I had a dollar for everytime you posted one of those...
Max?
Smash Champion
You'd be rich.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
You are a terrible person.
thesage
Smash Hero
I love Ness dittos.
Little England
Smash Master
I play this character quite a bit now. I think many low tier characters are extremely unexplored, and thus are imo either much better or possibly worse than we believe. Ness is one of the characters I believe is possibly much better than people think he is. I'm not sure how much super theory brothers is discussed in here, so I'm just throwing my ideas around. I have a "repository" (I guess) of Ness notes and stuff I've learned picking up the character. (An example of one of my notes is learning how to pkt2 straight on command.)I can share these things if you guys care for it so lmk please. 
I plan on going Ness at the next tournament I go to. What's even more exciting is that I'm feeling pretty confident about it. People tend to get thrown off by Ness' DJC movement and as a result don't really know how spacing works against him and then they get hit a lot. lolol! Aside from that, I feel that even if/when they do learn the match up somewhere along in the set, I'll still be comfortable because Ness isn't a gimmick imo.
/rant over I'll be back
I plan on going Ness at the next tournament I go to. What's even more exciting is that I'm feeling pretty confident about it. People tend to get thrown off by Ness' DJC movement and as a result don't really know how spacing works against him and then they get hit a lot. lolol! Aside from that, I feel that even if/when they do learn the match up somewhere along in the set, I'll still be comfortable because Ness isn't a gimmick imo.
/rant over I'll be back
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I feel the same way, could you PM me your notes, you might have something interesting I don't know about :D
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Or you could just post it in a new thread so everyone can see them.
Ness is my personal worst match-up with Ness because I have no idea how to play it.
thesage
Smash Hero
The fact that nobody really knows how to Ness ditto is what makes them so amazing lol.
Max?
Smash Champion
Ness dittos is almost exclusively Fair spacing, DJC bairs and Nair oos.
thesage
Smash Hero
and getting off a yyg
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
YYG > thunder jacket wins you the game even if you lose
Sinji
Smash Master
Fade back djc fair near the edge is godley.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
I was bored again and decided to make a gif of a frame perfect DJC Nair that actually hits.
Frame perfect DJC nair. As soon as I entered aerial state from JumpStart, I double jumped. Then one frame after Double Jumping, I did nair.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
How fast does the hitbox come out?
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
It hits frame 5. In that gif it only hits for one frame.
Sinji
Smash Master
The Mofo
Smash Apprentice
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Can you list, frame by frame, the actual inputs used for this? Also, are you L-canceling in this gif?
It would be great to have the frame-by-frame charts for the first hitbox frame of all his arials, with stats like hit frame and total time.
There might be more than one way to do these optimally, especially for the slower arials like dair. I think you can trade time between the jump > second jump with the time between second jump > arial, while changing the fast-fall timing.
Anyone want to test this before I get back from India?
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Mofo, wherever you are, I know you don't me, but I know you, and I just wanted you to know that i'm a HUUUUGE fan... <3
Keep up the amazing work!, Man low tiers are sooooo fun!
=D
Keep up the amazing work!, Man low tiers are sooooo fun!
=D
The Mofo
Smash Apprentice
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Of course I know you VMan, I'm a big fan of you too! Watching videos of you, Axe, and Taj keep my low-tier spirits up when they're down, hahah. Vudujin and I were talking about taking a trip down to you AZ guys so we could have a low-tier dojo going on.
leffen fake, vman real
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
MoFo we need to hang in real life more, let me know.
And MoFo your already one of the most frame perfect players I know lol.
And MoFo your already one of the most frame perfect players I know lol.
thesage
Smash Hero
Mofo you're really cool. I think I've given up on Ness though. Sorry man.
There was a recent match of me vs. a Bowser, but we were both really tired when it was played so it doesn't really count.
There was a recent match of me vs. a Bowser, but we were both really tired when it was played so it doesn't really count.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Yeah, I was L-cancelling in that gif. I don't think you can get a faster form of hitting with nair and landing, though. I'll get the inputs for it later today.
Edit:
Here are the inputs
Jumpstart
Jumpstart
Jumpstart
Jumpstart
Wait
Jump
Nair
Wait
Wait
Wait
Hitbox comes out
L cancel
Sinji
Smash Master
Why sob.
Ness is so good.
The Mofo
Smash Apprentice
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Thanks for the frame data toaster.
Trolling aside, I understand where you're coming from. Ness is not for the feint of heart. Best of luck, and I hope you stick around the Ness boards as you make up about 20% of the population here.
I'll be back home on March 11th, so hit me up after then.
No apology necessary. Me being really cool and you giving up on Ness are two completely unrelated things
Trolling aside, I understand where you're coming from. Ness is not for the feint of heart. Best of luck, and I hope you stick around the Ness boards as you make up about 20% of the population here.
I should have been more clear. It would be cool to have the frame data for executing all of Ness' arials in the same fashion as how standardtoater made his gif of nair: have the arial come out as soon as possible, while only hitting for one frame before the L-cancel.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
I'll try to figure that out soon, mofo.
thesage
Smash Hero
I still hang around in this thread to discuss Ness, despite how little there is to discuss.
Bones0
Smash Legend
I think there's a lot to discuss, just so little people to discuss with. lol
thesage
Smash Hero
What else can Ness do? We'd have to discuss some way he can a lot of priority in a short amount of time, and none of his moves or movement options allow him do that.
Max?
Smash Champion
We can discuss how **** my ness is