General ICs Q&A Thread

[Piggyman86]

idk why we dont want atomsk to namesearch us talking about him

and he started with olimar *******

 

[Rubberbandman]

Because it disturbs them when they could go to more important things yo.

 

[Atomsk_92]

The list of characters I played went as such

D3
D3/Lucario
D3/Olimar
D3/Olimar/Wario
D3/Wario
D3/ICs
Wolf
D3/MK/ICs
Falco
D3/MK/ICs/Falco
D3/ICs/Wario

Now its

D3/MK/ICs *Depending on whom i fight I can use just about everyone except Toon Link lol*

 

[Roller]

So a while back in some thread idk whether it was here, or in the kirby boards discussion of the mu, I remember seeing someone say we could grab release Kirby to UpB. I've been messing around with this, and it seems to work sometimes, but only when they DI the right way. Is this guaranteed? And if so can someone put a video of it up/explain what exactly to do in detail?

I've been trying releasing with nana (at kill percent) and taking a step or 2 up with popo and upBing. Should I be jumping, pressing upB at a specific visual point, etc?

 

[ch33s3]

So a while back in some thread idk whether it was here, or in the kirby boards discussion of the mu, I remember seeing someone say we could grab release Kirby to UpB. I've been messing around with this, and it seems to work sometimes, but only when they DI the right way. Is this guaranteed? And if so can someone put a video of it up/explain what exactly to do in detail?

I've been trying releasing with nana (at kill percent) and taking a step or 2 up with popo and upBing. Should I be jumping, pressing upB at a specific visual point, etc?

It only kills ~8% earlier, just finish the CG. It's one more throw.

 

[Roller]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10076842&postcount=48

That is what I saw. I guess Hylian knows?

And yeah, I will obviously be doing that in important matches, Cheese. I just think it would be lulzy for pools/messing around n' ****. Just a fun gimmick I'd like to learn to make someone say, wtf?

 

[Rubberbandman]

ask Gimr, he made the video on that shi.

 

[B0NK]

^^^this

He showed me that **** when Plank was still hosting brawl tourneys at his place LOL xD

 

[Hylian]

GIMR made a video for it o.O? lol I made this up on my own in 2008 and have used it against like every kirby I've played . It's just a flashy thing for fun, no point in doing it.

 

[Roller]

Does it work on anyone else? 'cause I wont be able to test it with someone til I get back to Ann Arbor, from break. But if cpus are any indication it looks like it works on a few others, such as Wario and Olimar.

GIMR gave me the link for those interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5WS6nR6Asc#t=50s

 

[Hylian]

I'm pretty sure it only works on Kirby. Every other character can force a ground break.

Edit: Sweet I found it before GIMR . Well at least before he posted that video lol.

 

[Roller]

GIMR's vid says it works on olimar, ness, and yoshi as well apparently. But it seems to work on Wario..

 

[Atomsk_92]

Why worry about some stupid gimmick when you can just CG to death normally

 

[Roller]

Because I can do that fine already, and want to have fun in friendlies..

 

[Atomsk_92]

Then play someone other than ICs

 

[Hylian]

GIMR's vid says it works on olimar, ness, and yoshi as well apparently. But it seems to work on Wario..

Wario can force a ground break trust me. I played against PhantomX like every week for over a year.

 

[Roller]

Yeah, I see. Good call.

 

[GimR]

LOL, who cares who discovered it first.

For example. I discovered Diddy's foot stool infinite and posted about in the Diddy boards a year before the Japanese posted a video about it. I didn't care

I discovered D3 had pivot grab infinites a year and a half before a vid was made by a Japanese player, but didn't release it because I knew it didn't work after 5 d-throws(because it stales) and was thus useless. I don't care that he got the credit.


I'm not gonna lie though, if I discover something really important I want my credit. But in the end no one will remember who discovered it, people will only remember who is famous for using it in tourney

 

[-NL-Miyavi]

I was watching the PSC vid the otherday and was thinking can IC grab MK out of nado with PSC? It requires a 6 frame grab to pull it off but i can find ICs grab data .__.

 

[Rubberbandman]

You can grab MK from a regular powershield. =/

I still am not seeing the "potential" that everyone thinks this technique has, because its just what we've been doing.

 

[GimR]

You can grab MK from a regular powershield. =/

I still am not seeing the "potential" that everyone thinks this technique has, because its just what we've been doing.

It really isn't useful for icies since MK tornados high against us anyways

 

[someonerandom]

I have a question... What's the desync called where Popo Ftilts and Nana charges a smash? I messed up my turn around desync and pressed and held A instead of B.

 

[DeLux]

It's a derivative of Standing Nana Desync.

 

[2-DJeff]

Wario can force a ground break trust me. I played against PhantomX like every week for over a year.

yea wario can force a ground break on charaters that do not hold him off the ground. IC are one of those charaters.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

What is a better stage for Ice Climbers, FD or BF?

 

[ch33s3]

What is a better stage for Ice Climbers, FD or BF?

Almost universally FD, which is why it's almost universally banned against ICs.

I prefer BF in a select few match-ups though.

 

[-LzR-]

This is a question that I want to ask from IC mains:

I main MK, but I have had my secret pocket IC's for a year now.
I can do many different desynchs, I can CG pretty well and I know the character well outside of those too.

So many of you say it's stupid to play IC outside of a main. Well I have a few MU's where I do much better with IC. Like Diddy Kong. Is it a bad idea to practice IC for those few MU's? Would make CG a lot easier since you gonna only need it for a select few MU's and it eliminates the threath of Diddy Kong on FD against me.

 

[DeLux]

It sort of depends how in depth you're looking to get into the character. If you look at it from match up to match up, I personally think it would be totally viable. Will you be the greatest IC ever at those particular match ups though? Probably not. But as long as it's winning for you that's all that matters.

I think a good example of this type of use of ICs is Atomsk versus Olimar. Does he know all the new metagame developments that have come up lately? No. He at one point admitted that all he does is Uair and Grab things. He didn't mention he uses desync blizzard for that particular match up, but you get the idea.

From this standpoint, the way the metagame has been going in the US for the IC's, simple is better. I probably know the fastest way to get to a grab set up out of any given situation possible. Does that make me the greatest Ice Climber ever? No. In reality, I'm pretty terrible at this game. Which indicates what you know doesn't matter as much as how you use it.

If you use what's important for specific matchups (ie. desync blizzard olimar, jam Diddy's banana game) you'll already be using the character to what it's good for anyways. A majority of what you'll miss by not "maining" the character is like 5% of the utility of the character. The other 95% is easily learned and practiced. It might look rough, but refined doesn't matter if you're winning.

 

[-LzR-]

Yeah I use Desynch Blizzard against Oli and Nanner tricks against Diddy to get grabs.
I guess if I can win I should play. I am the only one who can do **** with this char in my area.
I can't beat Diddy with MK for some reason. I tried IC for lulz and I won easily.

Thanks for the tips anyways.

 

[-LzR-]

I am a bad person and I will doublepost intentionally. May a mod have revenge on me.

Now, what is shieldbuffering and how to do it and how it helps?
I heard it from Lux once, but I forgot already.

 

[Rubberbandman]

You buffer a shield. Simple as that. Im guessing you mean during a cg, so you hold grab after nana's dthrow, which buffers a shield and slides nana closer to you. This saves like 30 ish frames

 

[-LzR-]

Ah, can it be only done from a dthrow? Sometimes I notice Nana goes too far and it messes up my CG. Is there a thread or a guide somewhere for this? I am willing to learn more

 

[DeLux]

Ah, can it be only done from a dthrow? Sometimes I notice Nana goes too far and it messes up my CG. Is there a thread or a guide somewhere for this? I am willing to learn more

If Nana is going too far, it means you're most likely grabbing on the late frames during a bthrow transfer from Popo to Nana.

Instead of doing a pivot grab, she does a dash grab.

The easiest way to correct this is to have popo dash in Nana's direction. For the most part, a dash by popo will correct the spacing mistake. Your opponent will get more frames to mash, but it won't a result in a 100% loss of a cg.

 

[-LzR-]

I know how to do that, I just want to know what is a shieldbuffer.

 

[Atomsk_92]

What is a better stage for Ice Climbers, FD or BF?

Ironically I prefer BF. Less room for them to run from you.

 

[EverAlert]

I think most of us prefer BF. I know I do, by a lot.

 

[-LzR-]

You actually do play on BF sometimes too.

 

[Smoom77]

I prefer BF for basically all matchups, but I know I shouldn't use BF on olimar lol. I'm trying to use FD more.

 

[Orion*]

Ironically I prefer BF. Less room for them to run from you.

this

also if they try and platform camp its like lol get at my up air son

 

[Exceladon City]

I prefer BF as well. FD gives people a chance to think. On BF they have to move and plan out stuff and prepare for the change ups of your character. Plus, it's fun having a Climber placed on a platform and one under it and blizzard walling.