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WounD of the WinD
undead_moose
Smash Lord
Wound of the wind! I studied that and all I learned was NEUTRAL BEE
Sirias
Smash Champion
Love you, too, Rob.
I don't see the advantage with Shiek on Peach. Sheik. ... Is it Sheik or Shiek?
Shei/iek completely can't kill Peach quickly, I don't know how you think that, in NTSC yeah, but in PAL? I'd say it's in Shei/iek's advantage in NTSC, but in PAL it's at least even or in Peach's favour.
As for Falco / Peach, even, or in Falco's favour.
I 'would' say adv. for Fox, but considering I'm terrible at that match-up, it's 80/20 in Peach's favour. ... Yerrr.... No tech skill or no camping makes it hard to beat heerrr... cbf
Why would you play anyone but Marth against Peach anyway.
Srsly just make them forfeit.
I don't see the advantage with Shiek on Peach. Sheik. ... Is it Sheik or Shiek?
Shei/iek completely can't kill Peach quickly, I don't know how you think that, in NTSC yeah, but in PAL? I'd say it's in Shei/iek's advantage in NTSC, but in PAL it's at least even or in Peach's favour.
As for Falco / Peach, even, or in Falco's favour.
I 'would' say adv. for Fox, but considering I'm terrible at that match-up, it's 80/20 in Peach's favour. ... Yerrr.... No tech skill or no camping makes it hard to beat heerrr... cbf
Why would you play anyone but Marth against Peach anyway.
Srsly just make them forfeit.
luke_atyeo
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Redact
Professional Nice Guy
y u do dat 2 me
luke_atyeo
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you loved it
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Smash Lord
The only way you can win the match up is to not let peach down smash your shield for free so with sheik you have to take(shielding) the float cancelled fair to dsmash and then wavedash out of shield and dsmash. This way every time you shield it she takes 16-18% I was unable to do this against peach and whilst beating her in general spacing and aerial battles. Against someone that can edge guard shiek as intelligently as kas could. Him being able to freely dsmash my shield I just couldn't keep up and he would eventually take the lead and win on percentage is the last stock. By not allowing them to dsmash you for free they take too much damage from doing it and die too quick or they stop doing it in frustration and unable to rack up enough percent on you.
Hope that makes sense :/
Hope that makes sense :/
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Smash Lord
And marth gets ****ed up if they can edge guard properly how many times does armada Gimp m2k
unreon
Smash Ace
ryan now do one for falco!
Redact
Professional Nice Guy
shoot peach, dont get grabbed
make her approach you and control center stage, playing aggressive vs peach is just asking for her to get into better positioning than you
when you get her off stage, force her to go over you to come back when she recovers, youre never going to beat out her parasol if she comes from below, and her air to air game with bair/fair/nair is just 2g to beat side to side without a very well place bair of your own
you need to control the stages well enough that she cant use the platforms to get her easy dsmashs on them, force her to the ground as you cant approach a dsmash on any platform from the side or below
this is coming from someone who gets stomped by cao repeatedly though :/
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Smash Lord
Falco!
UP SMASH OUT OF SHIELD!!!! Can't stress it enough. "Oh but liek it's weak and like fox is teh stronger" No. It kills at 144 onwards. Very effective because peaches don't expect this when they approach it has alot of priority and beats fair cleanly. This and spaced un grabbable dtilts are going to be your killers. Trying to kill peach off the side is just stupid. Don't forget your b n b 35% combo.
Shfl to grab up throw full jump dair. Tis ****. Don't
get yourself stuck with your back to edge shooting lasers whilst peach is turniping to float cancelled fairing your shield. If your on bf fod or dreamland which are the only places you can win. Camp the top platform peach has absolutely no answer for this and will get frustrated and it will allow you capitalize on some impatient play.
UP SMASH OUT OF SHIELD!!!! Can't stress it enough. "Oh but liek it's weak and like fox is teh stronger" No. It kills at 144 onwards. Very effective because peaches don't expect this when they approach it has alot of priority and beats fair cleanly. This and spaced un grabbable dtilts are going to be your killers. Trying to kill peach off the side is just stupid. Don't forget your b n b 35% combo.
Shfl to grab up throw full jump dair. Tis ****. Don't
get yourself stuck with your back to edge shooting lasers whilst peach is turniping to float cancelled fairing your shield. If your on bf fod or dreamland which are the only places you can win. Camp the top platform peach has absolutely no answer for this and will get frustrated and it will allow you capitalize on some impatient play.
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Smash Lord
I just found the sheik thing I was talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvN-TnOGfOc&feature=youtube_gdata
At 1.43 and 3.00 he does wavedash out of shield to grab. Which can work but it's not as effective in pal. Then at 5.46 he does it to dsmash he does it too slow and it gets shielded but if your quick enough it's your game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvN-TnOGfOc&feature=youtube_gdata
At 1.43 and 3.00 he does wavedash out of shield to grab. Which can work but it's not as effective in pal. Then at 5.46 he does it to dsmash he does it too slow and it gets shielded but if your quick enough it's your game.
S.D
Smash Master
Can't you just nair oos or uair oos in underneath Peach when she approaches with a mid to high float? But yes I agree wd oos is the best peach d smash punish going.
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2:30 = O______O
2:30 = O______O
Sirias
Smash Champion
Lol, weow, someone plays too much smash.
luke_atyeo
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so I've been reading some doc stuff (some of it is probably really old) and everyone seems to say/think that his recovery is the second worst in the game behind roy, is it really that bad? doesnt seem to be like that to me, but what do I know.
I'd have thought Falco's was pretty bad, or pretty low down there.
Go search for the recovery tier list. It's in Melee Disc. somewhere.
Cool thing with Doc is his ledge grab box. That shiz is awesome.
Go search for the recovery tier list. It's in Melee Disc. somewhere.
Cool thing with Doc is his ledge grab box. That shiz is awesome.
Aussierob123
Smash Champion
Doc is stupidly easy to edgehog, you can be absolutely sure of when they are going to up b, which isn't the case for most other chars, the only time you can't be sure is when they don't get knocked far from the stage.
Falcos is bad too but atleast he has a few more options than doc. His range on his options is just turd, however.
Imo luigis is one of the worst dunno about "worst" but it's pretty close.., everything he does is just so easy to punish, but that may be simply because I main a fast char like falcon.
Falcos is bad too but atleast he has a few more options than doc. His range on his options is just turd, however.
Imo luigis is one of the worst dunno about "worst" but it's pretty close.., everything he does is just so easy to punish, but that may be simply because I main a fast char like falcon.
swordsaint
Smash Master
you havent seen lukes misfire rate then
Aussierob123
Smash Champion
Just considered misfires, but that's about the onlything luigi has going for him..
Just don't stand infront of his forward b lol.
Just don't stand infront of his forward b lol.
S.D
Smash Master
It is predictable and linear, but if you throw down pills whilst recovering from any sort of height it takes away many edgeguard options your opponent might have. Also basic down b stall mindgame mixups can cause uncertainty for a player trying to edgehog you.
unreon
Smash Ace
Especially since getting hit with pills tend to turn you around. That's annoying as fruck.
Doc has surprisingly effective recovery; just let it rain let it rain.
Doc has surprisingly effective recovery; just let it rain let it rain.
Needs more Bob Dollar Sign.
*Watches Evolution*
*Well not really because I'm too busy studying*
My Fox felt really consistent the other night.
Want to play Foxy more.
*Watches Evolution*
*Well not really because I'm too busy studying*
My Fox felt really consistent the other night.
Want to play Foxy more.
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
yeah pills really help. nice angle on them..
i think ice climbers have bad recovery :X
and bowser and dk
dk is sooo easy to stomp.
i think ice climbers have bad recovery :X
and bowser and dk
dk is sooo easy to stomp.
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
surpise cape.
Also the size of Doc's fist during his F-air should become Bowser sized.
luke_atyeo
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and his fair should have the same amount of startup lag and cooldown as luigis fair
So I think I realised that to avoid getting gayed by sheik's dash attack/needles, that I should wave dash out of shield more.
Amazing. Why doesn't anyone like ever give such suggestions?
Amazing. Why doesn't anyone like ever give such suggestions?
Aussierob123
Smash Champion
try crouch cancelling too shaya. It ***** most of sheiks anything. especially her dash attack (though sometimes you may have to crouch cancel tech).
Aussierob123
Smash Champion
Kas's fox is way gayer. way way gayer.
sooooo gay.
sooooo gay.
Darkwing SykeDuk
Smash Dankist
Kas never u-throw - u-airs or u-smash. Only side kills cause ther less goiy.
Sirias
Smash Champion
ME AND MY FOX ARE TOTES NOT GOIY, WUT IS DIS SHEET?!
Naw, I u-throw and try to shine into nair now, yayaya. :D
Naw, I u-throw and try to shine into nair now, yayaya. :D
S.D
Smash Master
lol could be much gayer if I wanted to, but I didn't want to make Jaz sad.