General Discussion & Character Rankings

[Zero]

i'll complain about snake for you

****in snake

 

[Nova]

Leisha, you're ignorant.
Just thought I'd tell you.

TWICE I've asked you about this weekend, on MSN, twice you flat out ignored me (while posting on here lol, so it's not like you were away).
If you don't wanna/can't for other reasons come to shìtty Adelaide (which is comprehensible), just say so, rather than no response at all.
It's rude.

Posting here given you ignore the other messages.

 

[tedeth]

Get told by Nova.

 

[...Ellipsis...]

ZSS enrollment is as good as ever. Read: none in, none out

lol

Decided to pick up ZSS the other day, I'll need you to give me some super training.

 

[Zero]

wait you serious?

 

[Leisha]

I actually messaged you on msn about it ages ago... =S

Assuming you never got the message it seems

 

[Nova]

Obviously not, given I asked you twice with no response.
w/e
Doesn't matter.

 

[luke_atyeo]

for the record, I would have come but nobody could do my shift at work.

 

[Nova]

lol
You told me already you were really doubtful anyway Luke.

Leish was like 90% then MSN went gay or something and I ended up looking like a bítch thanks to it.
Fùcking MSN.
W/E
I'll beat Tibs anyway.

Hear that banana boy?
You wog. <3

 

[luke_atyeo]

oi tibs, say hi to those 2 ****ed in the head ninja chakra girls for me

 

[Alzi]

You are so mean to girls No7a.

ROB's are definitely dead though Leisha. Hater from our scene i believe has now moved onto Pikachu. Not that it was a bad choice of switching characters as he did move to a interesting character that not many play here in Australia or should i say our scene. I know people like Toby who have a **** Pikachu which is nice to hear.

I don't know but the way i see it with brawl. People are going to either quit it by the end of this year or go and main Metaknight and continue playing.

All these years of my brawl life time i still can't do the slidy thing snake does while doing his up smash and sliding along the ground. lol.

 

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All these years of my brawl life time i still can't do the slidy thing snake does while doing his up smash and sliding along the ground. lol.

Lol wut that takes the tech skill of a brick.

 

[Pete278]

I dare you to find me a brick that can do that, sir.

 

[xXArrowXx]

-,- i cant mortar slide
i cant wavedash effectively or more than one in a row.
i cant L cancel >.< consistantly

yet i manage.... with the tech skill of a brick. ive seen bricks tech up a wall when i pivot grab them then F-throw them

-,- i am proud that i placed second in melee doubles at tempest lol straight gannon

 

[luke_atyeo]

whut? a snake main who cant mortar slide?
do you do it the easy way or the hard way?
try using down on the c stick to initiate the dash attack and then hit up on the control stick and z at the same time.

its so easy that when I taught it to toby, he got it first try, and every try after that.

 

[Vyse]

Yeah, I don't know why people do it with the C-Stick by itself.

I use Up + Z after the C-Sticked dash.

 

[luke_atyeo]

just move down to canberra like you said you might arrow and you'll instantly become **** and awesome, because you'll be playing with us at least once a week if not more and you'll get to meet the greatest scene ever.

 

[luke_atyeo]

just move down to canberra like you said you might arrow and you'll instantly become **** and awesome, because you'll be playing with us at least once a week if not more and you'll get to meet the greatest scene ever.

vyse can come too.

and kas

 

[Marteh]

It really baffles me how people can't mortar slide or wavedash.....
Although reading this I have no learnt there's different ways to Mortar slide, I always dashed holding the stick slightly up as well then c stick down + z.

Meh why do I care? I can't play Snake (or any other character) at all.

 

[Nova]

Snake is fun.

Also Alzi, you should have figured out I was mean to girls when I yelled at you and insulted you.
And I wasn't being mean.
It was jus MSNconception and miscommunication.

I can DACUS with Sheik so I've never had any trouble with anyones lol.

Edit: BUT!
Snake's (and Falco's sometimes) should be timed so the dash attack connects before the u-smash.
Falco can hit with both also.
ßΓÆh ßΓÆh ßΓÆh....

 

[luke_atyeo]

yeah snakes is really flexible frame wise allowing many different timings

 

[Sirias]

Bt im alrdy 2 gud
Dun ned no prctis r nufin bra
reprzent
wurd
lul

If I was rich I'd travel more.
But not for smash. XD

 

[Nixernator]

It's almost like people are trading in their mains for better characters, ones higher on the tier list... more viable ones if you will.

Hahahahahah, best analysis of brawl scene.
Also, pika is pretty fun.

 

[Alzi]

Luke you should be getting over to Perth to play the best.

I actually haven't bothered to learn how to do the slide with snake since i don't ever play him. Grr and him and sonic being in brawl. Doesn't feel right.

 

[ksizl4life]

WTF??? I never said that.

I never said the matchup was ANYWHERE NEAR UNWINNABLE. I think it's still about 60-40 I went at least even even with both of the MK players I was playing with (KS and his brother, don't namedrop I'm trying to avoid drama).

I just said they never beat me in MK dittos, which made me realize that I was actually overcoming a gap more like 60-40 rather than 55-45.

That's all, I didn't say unwinnable, and after watching the replays I've changed my mind about dropping snake, I still have fun playing him. -_-

Just wait till the videos get uploaded at least lol.

late name search.

snake mk is 55 45. you were playing the mu wrong.

 

[luke_atyeo]

personally I feel its closer to 50 50 then 55 45.

 

[tibs7]

50:50 on fd and bf. Ps1,sv and yi are in mk's favour

 

[ksizl4life]

if it were to be played on all neutrals, i would say it be even

but due to counterpicks its mks favor 55-45

thats the same reason falco loses to snake. the counterpicks work way better for snake. otherwise itd be even.

 

[luke_atyeo]

mmm fd is slightly in snakes favour though

 

[Attila_]

50:50 on fd and bf. Ps1,sv and yi are in mk's favour

you dont play either character so you really can't comment... he'll you don;t even lurk on the boards of either character or watch high quality videos of the mu... and you're most definitely wrong. like, completely wrong. i would much rather take mk on ps1 or sv than fd. and the mu is never even.

if it were to be played on all neutrals, i would say it be even

but due to counterpicks its mks favor 55-45

thats the same reason falco loses to snake. the counterpicks work way better for snake. otherwise itd be even.

playing the mu from both sides, i always felt like its a bit easier for falco. he should be outcamping snake, beats most things with jab, has way better oos options, threatens with the cg and reflects nades. killing is a slight problem, but i think that the above make up for it.

EDIT: just reminding everyone that fd is a cp now...

 

[luke_atyeo]

attlia I'll give you ps1 being better for snake (I like to cp there)
but smashville is way too small for a matchup that your meant to be camping.

 

[swordsaint]

playing the mu from both sides, i always felt like its a bit easier for falco. he should be outcamping snake, beats most things with jab, has way better oos options, threatens with the cg and reflects nades. killing is a slight problem, but i think that the above make up for it.

EDIT: just reminding everyone that fd is a cp now...

Nah man. A bad reflector can boost the nades power and still hit falco, killing him at really low percents. Dangerous option here considering its high lag. The weight + killing potential of both characters is **** bad too. One of Snakes best attributes in this match up, and a good snake should blow themselves up from time to time so the chain grab is neutralized. Taking 30-40 is way better than taking 100% from a cg + edgeguard.
It's also pretty hard to outcamp, Snake's nades are stronger, and a patient snake can pull a nade, cook it while crawling and throw between lasers.

As said, killing is a problem. The only real thing falco has in this mu is the fact a good one can juggle and edgeguard snake amazingly well. Let's not forget that snake can grab release chain grab falco to an edge, dthrow and have severely limited falcos get up options. Grab release dash attack is also a good kill set up at higher percents when it's fresh.

 

[Toby.]

Oh wow it's scott!

Hello!

 

[luke_atyeo]

lol, I love how much one match against me has changed scoots opinion of that matchup, including the lols reflected nade kill I got on him.
but seriously, you can shut down nades easily, its not a matter of a good snake using them well against you, its a matter of a bad falco being ****.
also blowing yourself up is a really stupid idea, which is fitting that you said it.
its much better to simply camp and let falco slowly rack up the percent against you, because the end result is the same but you have a chance to do damage back.
chaingrab on falco does like no damage, is really hard to do, and is useless on most stages.

 

[swordsaint]

Well, not really one match. All of our recent tournament matches have been really hard because of killing and it's changed a fair bit. and that nade was so dumb

shutting down nades isnt as easy as you say, but you're right in saying that they can be avoided.

Also you've blown yourself up on me to avoid chain grabs before. <3 but i didn't mean like, just 2 nades from the start, i meant like nade countering things while attacking and stuff before i get a chain grab, didn't clarify.

and just ftr, falco shouldn't camp THAT hard on snake to rack up enough percent to lose a chain grab.

and im not saying the chain grab is easy, but it's there, and everythings to be considered. that's what a match up is about. as i said though, it makes for kills and gets em to the end of a stage for easier tech chasing. It may be hard, but the fact the option is there means it should be mentioned.

 

[luke_atyeo]

"and that nade was so dumb"

your fault not mine

doesnt matter if falco shouldnt camp, I'm going to be running away so you'll either be chasing me getting your *** kicked, or camping, which would you choose?

"shutting down nades isnt as easy as you say, but you're right in saying that they can be avoided."

yeah and? winning isnt as easy as you say, but it can be achieved?
I didnt say it was easy, I just said your **** if you cant do it.

and nade countering is completely different to the tactic of blowing yourself up to 50%, so dont say apples and then claim you said oranges.

 

[swordsaint]

Well now you just killed a perfectly good discussion.

 

[luke_atyeo]

lol, better go rage and call me a ****head again then.

 

[Sieg]

I like raging.

Etc etc.

 

[Sieg]

Double post ******ry.