General Discussion & Character Rankings

[Alzi]

No one like ever talks about toon link.

 

[luke_atyeo]

do you even play fox shaya?
I play those matchups though, because they teach you important stuff.

 

[Toby.]

A major difference between fox vs pika and fox vs sheik is that a whiffed grab takes a fair bit longer than a whiffed ftilt. Tis quite important.

 

[Nixernator]

Well the fox boards say that Pika/Fox would still be like 60:40 or 65:35 pika without any sort of grabbing, Pika destroys fox in most facets of the game, add in the ******** chain grab and its not fun at all.

I'd rather play sheik because I feel I'm in more control of the game, and I have a chance if I play really smart, its just highly unlikely that I'm going to win.

 

[Bsrk_]

I play those matchups though, because they teach you important stuff.

I like this comment_

I lol'ed at Gaga's, having been an ex Olimar main he is so easy to use effectively_ I still failed at tech skill with him though_ Ironically though it seems you have picked up Shiek Gaga_ WTF is with that coincidence_? Shiek <3

 

[luke_atyeo]

pretty sure you cant actuall 0-death fox with pika though, I'm fairly sure the chain is escapable around 90%+

as for shiek, last I heard it is a 0-death.

 

[Toby.]

With pikachu it's 0-99% and then he gets a regrab at the end.

 

[Toby.]

So assuming pikachu throws after the 99% then it does over 100% damage. It isn't to death though, as luke said.

 

[MTGod]

0-significant disadvantage is still pretty bad, obviously ^^"

Unfortunate, but if you enjoy Fox by far over every other character chances are you're gonna be better with him than using a counterpick character for those specific match-ups... Or, just something I've found playing Lucas anyway (I play better with Lucas against Lucas' bad MUs than I do with Diddy, even after using them both relatively equally for a decent amount of time now)

 

[luke_atyeo]

your exactly right mtgod, I've 3 stocked pika's with fox in those kind of conditions

what you must watch out for though, are people with good fundimentals

let me explain, you've got someone like me who's really good at using snake, but doesnt have great fundimentals, so I can preform really well with snake and thats about it.

then you've got someone like scabe who's the opposite, sure his link is **** and all, but he can pick up just about any character and play it well (I kid you not, he can win or come close against my snake with about half the cast)

those players are rarer, but if they decide to play pika against your fox, even if they've only played pika a few times in their life, you will lose.

 

[Bsrk_]

Also i would assume that the harder mu usually creates a larger focus on your behalf MTGod_ It's those matches that i find people really get their game on and will lose in sometimes more complacent matches that could have easily been won_

I personally enjoy harder MUs for the experience they give_ MK and Diddy are fun_ Falco, not so much_

 

[Shaya]

Luke, maybe I am using Fox. Maybe the part where I said I wouldnt mind playing against sheiks but have refused playing against pikachus was enough of a hint .

Best mid tier character available imo.

 

[Toby.]

Yeah JP actually has a pretty good fox! It has made me sad face on more than one occasion.

 

[...Ellipsis...]

Ummm, what about wolf?

 

[Shaya]

Wolf doesnt have

THAT UP SMASH.

Well he kinda does, but you cant hit with that specific thing often
Also Foxs pew pew is pew pew pew.
Unlike Wolfs pew*stab*

 

[Sieg]

Pretty sure THAT UP SMASH is C.Falcon.

 

[Zero]

Nah man, Wolf can recover at any angle against Metaknight.

 

[MTGod]

those players are rarer, but if they decide to play pika against your fox, even if they've only played pika a few times in their life, you will lose.

A pox on people with talent I say!!!

 

[luke_atyeo]

****ing ******s, stop copying my characters, stick to lucario for your obsecure tier usage jp.

 

[Nova]

<3 Bsrk
Speaking of U-smashes.
Sheik has THE SEXIEST U-smash in the game if DAC'd perfectly - looks amazingzingzing.
Either extremely strong upwards knockback (or best case, 3 hits) absurdly strong sidewards knockback (probably bad DI from other players, but I think Shiek's U-smash works a little like Wolf's with that sidewards nonsense).
If that fails though; I just bring out the $lut and spam her smashes. <3

Also, I replaced Revoltimar with Snake - I can still be a tech chasing ******* with him AND he's fun to use.
Unlike Lolimar.

 

[Shaya]

lucario isnt in mid...

 

[Bsrk_]

Ugh Snake I just can't do it_ USmash may be sexy Gaga but it's predictable and punishable on whiff_ Been learning DACUS though especially for some sexy grab release kills_ Want a longer grab box -_-

 

[Pete278]

Well, you know full well where you could get a bigger grab hitbox.

 

[MTGod]

Buy one good grab hitbox and get gimped for free!!!

Baaaargain
Reckon

 

[Shaya]

Buy one good grab hitbox and gimp the chaingrabbed for free!!!

Baaaargain
Reckon

(love those ads)

 

[swordsaint]

I thought it was baaaargain, and riiipppin.

 

[Attila_]

i started playing again, now with tap jump off! tis quit difficult not to sd right now O_o

 

[Nova]

Ugh.
I need to learn to play without tap jump as well.
I tried it a few months back and utterly infuriated myself (plus it's hard to do certain things with it off).
I'm sure it'd fix my grand ability of jumping while trying to do a tilt but meh.
One day I'll adapt but atm I can't 'cause I fail.
PLUS! Umm, most top players play with it on anyway? Idk.
Except Corpse (can see his name on my old system).
And maybe Tib$ but WHO CARES about Tib$.....

 

[zApollo]

Tap Jump ruins ZSS, I can't stand having it on after such a long time of not.

 

[MTGod]

It all comes down to personal preference I guess - Vlade plays with tap jump on and (obv) does quite well, but I don't know how much he relies on his Utilt xD Not that I matter much, but I never use tap jump because I'm thoroughly ******** at doing tilts when there's two moves mapped to similar movements, let alone three (jump, tilt and smash - four if you separate SH and FH Jumps )...

 

[Toby.]

Squirtle uses a lot of up tilt and I can't remember the last time I accidentally jumped whilst doing one...it's one of the most basic levels of character control :s

 

[Shaya]

Yeah... the only thing tapjump does is sometimes make you use a jump during SDI...

But generally if you are SDIing most things youd want to jump/footstool to get away from
But hell good control should avoid you using that jump whilst sding anyway.

 

[...Ellipsis...]

Seriously guys I reckon that doing an up-tilt with tap jump on is harder than wave dashing, quatum physics and thermodynamics combined.

 

[Nova]

Yeah.
Idk what I was talking about tbh. Considering I use lots of u-tilts.
Drugs probably...
The only thing tap jump really annoys me with is Sheik's DACUS grab release.
....And half the time I randomly D-smash instead (other times my timing is just way off and I dash attack or U-air, or sometimes just stand there....)
My hands aren't normal.
Yes, neither are most my other body parts.
Meeeeeehhhhh.

 

[MTGod]

thermodynamics

"Tilts are a funny subject. The first time you learn tilts, you don't get it. The second time you learn them, you think you get most of them except for a couple of them. The third time, you know you don't get them, but you're too used to them by now to care."

 

[...Ellipsis...]

^^^^
Yeah tilts suck, i hate them quite a lot.

 

[Nova]

Tilts, ****, tickets, w/e.
H8 them all.
Brawl should be a game where you just stand there and do nothing for 7:55 minutes then during the last 5 seconds you unplug your cords and hit eachother with them.
Wii remote for S tier.
I don't think I'll play 'till like July. Just over it atm.

 

[swordsaint]

You fail if you can't up tilt with tap jump on. Clearly that's a problem with your co-ordination.

What's so hard with slightly moving it up instead of being a spaz and smashing it up?

 

[MTGod]

If you ARE a spaz (like myself) then it is hard, but it's not really a point of argument since if you've got bad coordination then you deal with it

 

[Nova]

Look, performing ONE tilt is harder than Master 3.
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