General Discussion & Character Rankings

[Hater]

With the exception of wanting ps2 as a starter i agree with scoot ^^

 

[swordsaint]

With the exception of wanting ps2 as a starter i agree with scoot ^^

shaya wants it, but he isn't getting it. so its ok.

 

[dean.]

Also the idea of "straight american stagelists" is a fallacy. America is just as diverse, if not more so, than Australia, so i'm assuming you have a particular stagelist in mind from a particular region?

@ Dean haha you listened to that vid of Coney from Apex, didn't you?

Yes. It's really quite amazing. Except for my iPhone turning 'unwinnable' into 'unsinkable.'

Personally, both the standard stagelist you've used throughout the year and the most recent one have been excellent, Conor. I really don't think there's a problem with stagelists in Melbourne. Anyway, Norfair is more justifyably legal than Japes at any rate.

No updates on the first post in 8 months is saddening. I assume Shaya is busy with Uni work. Couldn't someone take over?

 

[luke_atyeo]

Nah, his side b should be a glide toss throw banana.

when I came up with the name for the amazing team that is scabe and silfa (hyrule kings of swing) I also came up with the most ****ing amazing team combo ever, 'the hyrule kings of swing combo'

which was for link to throw his boomerang past dk, so it would come back and carry dk back with it, but then link would jump over him so he would keep getting pushed along, whilst dk is doing his downb the whole time, the end result (in my head) was for dk to slide across the entire stage doing his downB.

sadly, when we tested it, it pushed him a very small amount and that was it

oh what could have been...

 

[Splice]

rainbow cruise and norfair are autowins for MK for some reason.
cool.
great input right there.

luke you are a genius i wish i could see that come to fruition.

Hey I wonder if that works with GaWs judgement... Wait no why would I team with a Link

 

[C~Dog]

How about this Billy:

MK Nados someone, and you Uair the Nado. Nado goes up to blast zone, and the other person gets killed of the top.

 

[Splice]

Are we talk Singles here sounds more like FFA or Doubles.

Oh Also I can kill MK with UpB if I'm trapped in his Nado on RC. I don't understand but windboxes are super effective on this stage.

MK is pretty bad on the boat of the cruise imo btw.

 

[Zero]

plankity mcplank plank

 

[tibs7]

There us like one ledge. And it's on the boat. So he can only really plank for periods of time.
But after the boat he can just fly away

 

[Zero]

the 30 seconds that the boat is on, plank on the right

afterwards, just glide under the boat to meta safety

 

[Attila_]

pretty sure gw is the only character who likes rc and norfair against mk, just btw.

i think rc is tolerable, but norfair is kinda stupid. he can ledge or fly from side to side (above or below), and when the lava forces you together, you've got room to space or bair, cause mk is forced right next to you. gay.

i think norfair is autowin for mk, whereas rc is just a **** cp. japes should also be banned for similar reasons. and get rid of this 'two bans' thing, cause quite frankly, i want my neutrals back.

 

[Zxv]

pretty sure gw is the only character who likes rc and norfair against mk, just btw.

i think rc is tolerable, but norfair is kinda stupid. he can ledge or fly from side to side (above or below), and when the lava forces you together, you've got room to space or bair, cause mk is forced right next to you. gay.

i think norfair is autowin for mk, whereas rc is just a **** cp. japes should also be banned for similar reasons. and get rid of this 'two bans' thing, cause quite frankly, i want my neutrals back.

Mike Haze likes RC against MK.

 

[Zero]

Nick Riddle too.

 

[xXArrowXx]

falco japes =)

didn't attila usta cp norfair with snake XD
its a good snake stage.. but i guess better metaknight =P

**** rainbow cruise u drop through the stage like defino sand glitches.

 

[luke_atyeo]

what he ment splice, was in doubles your team-mate (who is an mk because thats all your state ever plays) catches somebody in a tornado, you then proceed to use your uair to blow the tornado up off the top of the screen, killing the person stuck inside the tornado.

not a bad idea conner, although it'd be ****ing hard to pull off.

 

[Zero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOH1JL6lhFI

HELL YEAH.

 

[Shaya]

you say thats awesome...

but just about anyone can grab release falco at a ledge and run off aerial and that signifies his death...

 

[swordsaint]

yeah thats never going to happen in a real game because it requires grabbing falco without a jump.

also, can zero suits neutral b stun gun be clashed with? If so, instead of instantly trying to recover, we could attack it with uair/bair and drift closer to the stage before trying to recover a little differently.

 

[Attila_]

can't falco just delay his jump more?

falco japes =)

didn't attila usta cp norfair with snake XD
its a good snake stage.. but i guess better metaknight =P

**** rainbow cruise u drop through the stage like defino sand glitches.

i used to... when people didn't know how to play the game...

 

[swordsaint]

attila, you're being dumb again. they're grabbing falco out of his jump.

Oh, and one more thing, the fact they're stunning falco during the startup of firebird/phantasm means we can probs get out a reflector. (and probably die anyway =P)

 

[Zero]

yeah thats never going to happen in a real game because it requires grabbing falco without a jump.

also, can zero suits neutral b stun gun be clashed with? If so, instead of instantly trying to recover, we could attack it with uair/bair and drift closer to the stage before trying to recover a little differently.

You realise you need to jump to phantasm onto the stage, and you only have one jump off the edge?

 

[swordsaint]

You realise how hard it's going to be to get that grab properly?

 

[Zero]

Yep, I didn't say it was a reliable tactic.

It's just **** sexy, is all. Although if I guess right and time it right, that stock is mine.

 

[swordsaint]

Yep, I didn't say it was a reliable tactic.

It's just **** sexy, is all. Although if I guess right and time it right, that stock is mine.

Seeing as you're the one that has to space properly and guess what I'm going to do, the job is so much easier for Falco than ZSS.

Nothing worth getting worked up about imo. <3

 

[Zero]

IT'S SEXY AS.

GOSH.

way to kill the mood.

 

[luke_atyeo]

yeah thats never going to happen in a real game because it requires grabbing falco without a jump.

yeah you say never, yet I've seen ted do this to you several times before.

 

[Scabe]

I swear everytime I see someone post a video which shows something new and cool there'll be the haters who'll be all hatin' and be all like, "dat ain't ever gon work''.

Haters gon hate

 

[Splice]

Norfair and RC give a lot of characters some form of help against MK

Olimar likes to play RC vs MK, iirc. And I think 2 bans gives everyone less chance of the opponent getting a free win stage, even with the additional stages. I mean with only one ban gw has to vs marth on either battlefield or lylat which is crap, or people have to play diddy on smashville or fd, etc.
CP should benefit you but shouldn't be autowin
2 bans plus more stages actually acheives this and also gives characters CPs against more characters.

This won't have any affect on MKs either imo
Just ban RC
I still don't see a problem vsing MK on Norfair. Maybe if I was Diddy, but every S tier, go ahead lol. And Ganon would CP MK to Norfair btw.

Also Luke, if that is what he meant with my teamate using nado and I Uair, we'd never do that coz we dont need that to win coz me and aled da bess anyway and it might kill aled which is worth much more than one of their stocks. I dont think there are any other MK-GaW teams... come back Tanman! Khoa!

 

[MTGod]

Olimar likes to play RC vs MK, iirc.

Um... what...?

 

[swordsaint]

yeah you say never, yet I've seen ted do this to you several times before.

Ted

wolf

Zero

Zero suit samus

big difference.

i.e zss grabs trash.

btw, how long ago were the ones you're reffering to? I know he's done it, but I don't remember him grabbing me with a jump any time recently.

@Scabe - but if we didnt do that how would we figure out how to beat things?

 

[Zero]

Hey, it's only 9 frames difference.

 

[M]

Can't falco just drop, jump and phantasm the edge again? Provoking a really really bad missed grab?

 

[C~Dog]

what he ment splice, was in doubles your team-mate (who is an mk because thats all your state ever plays) catches somebody in a tornado, you then proceed to use your uair to blow the tornado up off the top of the screen, killing the person stuck inside the tornado.

not a bad idea conner, although it'd be ****ing hard to pull off.

See, this guy gets epic team combo ideas.

What you are forgetting Luke, is that this is MK, and he can do anything he wants because he's the best.

 

[swordsaint]

Can't falco just drop, jump and phantasm the edge again? Provoking a really really bad missed grab?

There's plenty he could do to provoke or prevent bad grabs at the edge. That's why its not a good idea lol.

 

[M]

Cool team ideas? People obviously do not remember the likes of old-school me and Toby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igLKvyAGBFg#t=1m22s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD6kFOumSHE#t=6m36s

Not recorded unfortunately was the legendary Bullet Seed > PK Flash

And all performed in tournament too, btw.

 

[J-Birds]

<3 Toby, come back!!
He absolutely wrecked that DK in the first vid.

Oh the team combos were good as well.

 

[luke_atyeo]

I miss the days of the pk rocksmash flash team.

cool awesome team combos are for people who are good at doubles and win often.
bl splice.

 

[Zxv]

Holy ****, have you guys seen some of the other ZSS videos? Such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwhLG2O32PM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Many of them much more practical + technical.

 

[Zero]

Apparently that one ain't legit.

But that's just what Nick said. I never bothered trying to learn it.

**** MAYBE I SHOULD NOW, **** YOU DIDDY KONG! DIDDY KING

 

[C~Dog]

Dedede can do that on Diddy too.

It looks hilarious.