Ganonic Grimoire (Social) - Commiseration and Hierarchy

[DLA]

Good job DLA. Did that Hilt vs your Ganon get saved?

thanks... unfortunately no, the set was really hyped up and it slipped my mind. I'm pretty sure it was livestreamed though lol, but I don't think anyone was watching the livestream.

 

[Vermanubis]

You went full Ganon against an Oli? Good job, man. Proud of you.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Hey guys. I've been using Ganon ALOT lately. Infact i entered doubles with him yesterday.
I basically wanted to stop in and see who you guys are, introduce myself, and so on. I think i may look more into using ganon as an alt. He's incredibly fun to play.
I find Ganon - Metaknight an AWESOME team. I don't know if thats maybe just good luck on my part, but we can be saved easily from gimps, and alot of team combos. One we figured out was:

MK dthrow - Ganon Dair - (have MK already jabbing for the forced get up - do it again to the edge. Haha.

 

[DLA]

Hey Mink. Yeah I agree, MK is probably my favorite teammate too. He can do literally anything for Ganon--my hero <3


On another note: Hilt and I agreed that the Oli:Ganon matchup is like 80:20... IMO for Ganon, it's basically a guessing game of "when I approach, is Oli going to grab or is he going to smash?" If you think he'll grab then you wizkick... it will probably go over the grab. If you think he'll smash, then run in and shield, then you'll be in a short range situation with Olimar where it's pretty much unsafe for him to grab, so you try to predict what he'll do.

He can either smash again, in which case you can shield and punish it (unless you shield a Usmash, which is unpunishable OoS IIRC). He can also do a jab or tilt, which are punishable with Gerudo's grab armor most of the time. He can also spot dodge, which you can punish with either Gerudo or Stomp... he can roll, which you can punish with gerudo, stomp (if he rolls behind), or wizkick (if he rolls away). He can also retreating aerial, which you can punish with wizkick when he hits the ground (unless he double jumps, in which case he can't punish your wizkick anyways, and you still get to try to punish his landing with something else when he comes down). And finally he can try to grab--if he does a standing grab then you can punish with stomp, and if he does a pivot grab then you can punish with Wizkick.

To punish his recovery, you should always try to tipman (well it doesn't have to be the very last tipman frames, it just has to be reverse Uair). Try to move in the same direction that he's moving when you reverse Uair. The reason for this is because if he's recovering high and whistles the Uair or air dodges it, then I'm pretty sure that you have a guaranteed Aerudo on him, before his whistle or spot dodge ends. Assuming you have the spacing for it of course. If you don't have the spacing for it then don't try it. The most important part is to be moving towards the stage with Oli while you Uair, because chances are that he's going to whistle your Uair and make it back to the stage, and if you're moving away from the stage, then he gets free parking on the stage and you have to approach him all over again. If you stay close to him, then you get to stay in that "short range" zone where you actually have options.

All of this makes the the matchup sound really bad, but that's without taking one thing into consideration--you can kill olimar at like 50% with Ftilt if you get a Gerudo. Also, don't forget to Gerudo -> Dsmash to wrack up damage and to see if your opponent knows how to DI out of it.


Sorry about this wall of text, I just had to get it down somewhere lol.

 

[Vermanubis]

I agree with most of that. It's why I never include Oli in Ganon's top 5 worst MUs. Because, when you look at people like Snakes (who play the MU right and camp their ***** off), MKs, D3s, ICs and Falco, Oli seems tolerable. He's easily the hardest for Ganon to get in on next to Falco, but Oli is probably the single character most susceptible to Ganonrape. When I played Dabuz, Fino or whatever other Oli, I'd always be down by a HUGE percent, but I'd get in once and take the stock.

Anyway, what made you decide to go full Ganon in that MU?

 

[KenniSpam!]

dla MM me ganon vs oli

oli is one of my worst chars also, no trollmo

that MU is at least 99:1 lol

 

[Noobicidal]

Hey guys. I've been using Ganon ALOT lately. Infact i entered doubles with him yesterday.
I basically wanted to stop in and see who you guys are, introduce myself, and so on.

Oh boy, this just got fun.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

DLA way too good. Styled all over me, haha.

 

[stingers]

verm taught me the way of the dark lord on wifi
he shows no mercy

 

[Vermanubis]

verm taught me the way of the dark lord on wifi
he shows no mercy

What can I say other than... murder?

GGs though, Sting. You've definitely got a solid 'Dorf. I look forward to seeing you get better if you plan on using Ganon as a low-tier main.

 

[Noobicidal]

His Ganon is really weird.

It's not bad, but it's weird...

 

[Vermanubis]

His Ganon is really weird.

It's not bad, but it's weird...

I didn't really notice anything unusual about his playstyle. It is typical for beginners of a new character to have a kinda weird playstyle though.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Dude, i watched alot of Verm's vids today, i love watching them. It's like watching a sonic player, it's so fluid. Haha. And Noob, you know i always bring the party.

 

[Heartstring]

i can never call a sonic's playstyle looking 'fluid' imo XD
something like falco is what i consider to be fluid

but yes, verm's ganon is fluid as hell XD

also, what can ganon actually do OOS? i tend to get stuck in my shield against people like peach XD

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Ganon can Shield Drop OoS.

He can jump maybe for UAir or something.

Ganon doesn't really have OoS options.


Oh, so I was playing this game, TMNT Smash-Up. Shredder's Strong Forward Smash in it is a 70 frame ridiculously powerful move in which he thrusts an electrified sword forward. It's like Ganon in ninja form. (Oh, he also has set-ups for said attack)

 

[Ray_Kalm]

I'm irritated by the fact that Index 22 was delayed due to it.

Is that it? What about the people?

I'd have a bit more respect for the country that gives you your anime and brawl.

 

[the king of murder]

Ganon can Shield Drop OoS.

He can jump maybe for UAir or something.

Ganon doesn't really have OoS options.

I disagree with this. Ganon may not have godly OoS attacks, however he has some decent options. For example a buffered U-air OoS is just too good. Stomp OoS is decent too, because if the opponent is shielding it you can just buffer a roll away and be safe(unless your foe is someone like DDD). Shieldgrab works too if your opponents spaces one of his/her attacks poorly, though this should never happen in high level play but such mistakes can happen in the hands of a human.

Ganondorf is such a character. You have to find every little crack in your opponents wall to break it, bit by bit. Remember, if you can't find a crack in the opponents wall, you have to make one yourself. Even if the chance of winning is 0.1%, we won't back down as long as the chance doesn't drop to zero.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

You can't buffer UAir, can you? Even soft-tilting, I always get an USmash.

 

[the king of murder]

^http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=289085

 

[Noobicidal]

Is that it?

Well, there's also Madoka, Zombie, KnT2, Merry, Fractale, Hourou Musuko, and Gosick, if you wanted me to name a few more series that I'm keeping up with this season that were delayed.

What about the people?

i'd have a bit more respect for the country that gives you your anime and brawl.

I mentioned nothing about any disrespect towards Japan, nor anything about the general populace there. Every time I load my RSS feeds to see if any new episodes are out and see that there aren't any new updates, I know that Japan is still in deep ****.

Want to know what I did from 3-6 AM on the day of the first earthquake? I watched NHK's broadcast of the event. I watched flaming masses ride on top of the ocean as the water headed inland. I watched the first hydrogen explosion that took place in a nuclear reactor. I saw the faces of the people as despair encompassed their visages.

Now, I could just post and say that "My thoughts are with Japan", but what does that accomplish aside from giving that said person an air of philanthropy? I have no monetary resources to attempt to donate to Japan, nor any ability whatsoever to be of use to Japan at all. The phrase "It can't be helped" can't be more accurate at this point. I understand that the Japanese people are suffering not only from the earthquake, but due to ignorant Americans proclaiming that the earthquakes are just an act of God to punish Japan for Pearl Harbor, apparently. I understand all of this, and yet you're going to assume that I have no respect for Japan and its inhabitants due to the fact that something directly affected by Japan that affects my daily life is delayed?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Everywhere I go, I see the same response to the disaster. "What's gonna happen to my anime, and games now?" Etc.. etc. It just irritates me. A bit of exaggeration put on that "everywhere".

Sorry.

 

[Noobicidal]

Everywhere I go, I see the same response to the disaster. "What's gonna happen to my anime, and games now?" Etc.. etc. It just irritates me. A bit of exaggeration put on that "everywhere".

Sorry.

Well, it's a good thing I wasn't questioning what would happen. I knew that the episodes and Blurays of various series would be delayed.

 

[AyatoK26]

I understand that the Japanese people are suffering not only from the earthquake, but due to ignorant Americans proclaiming that the earthquakes are just an act of God to punish Japan for Pearl Harbor, apparently.

An American said this? Things like this make me not want to be American sometimes. Smh.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlHnBgOmmgY
WTF GANON?

 

[DLA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlHnBgOmmgY
WTF GANON?

I was there when this happened.

Many lulz were had.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Earthquake talk reminds me.

Last I checked, nothing had been heard from either Earth or Brood.

Has something been heard yet? I've been out of the loop for a week or so.

 

[Heartstring]

Earthquake talk reminds me.

Last I checked, nothing had been heard from either Earth or Brood.

Has something been heard yet? I've been out of the loop for a week or so.

practically everything is down in japan, they wont be contacting anyone untll it all gets sorted

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Yeah, I know.

Still can't help but worry. I mean, I might not know them, but I was planning on going to Apex 2012, so I might have met them.

 

[Zeallyx]

Have you guys heard about MK's Dtilt lock 0->death combo? lol

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Yes.

Unless you're regularly getting hit by Warlock Punches, the only way he should EVER be getting it set up is with a footstool, or if he pushes you off a plat backwards. These are the only 2 times you can't tech.

 

[Zeallyx]

Yes.

Unless you're regularly getting hit by Warlock Punches, the only way he should EVER be getting it set up is with a footstool, or if he pushes you off a plat backwards. These are the only 2 times you can't tech.

MK's airgame is perfect for getting airbourn footstools in, though

 

[Heartstring]

MK's airgame is perfect, though

fix'd for accuracy

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Fair enough.

 

[AyatoK26]

Fair enough.

I don't think even fair can save him from the lock.

/random stupidity

 

[Zeallyx]

fix'd for accuracy

It was already accurate.

 

[Heartstring]

It was already accurate.

fine then, fix'd for more widespread accuracy ^.^

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

No one is safe from the lock.
No one...

 

[Zeallyx]

fine then, fix'd for more widespread accuracy ^.^

Thats bettah<33

 

[Exalted]

Guys, I'm gonna be honest. The real reason I main Ganon isn't bloodlust or the need for power. It is so I can deal with this:

inb4NobodygetsIamjoking

 

[Supreme Dirt]

That is an epic hat.