Legend of Zelda Ganondorf in SS?

[Masky]

Even though it probably wouldn't make any sense, who else thinks that Ganondorf is going to be the antagonist in SS?

 

[Phantom7]

Shouldn't this go in the Skyward Sword Thread?

 

[Luigitoilet]

If someone comes up with some decently thought out theories as to how Ganon/Gannondorf would appear in the game, this could be a good fit in this room I think.

Don't look at me!

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

<.< I don't see how you guys try to patch the Zelda games together through storyline, so to me... it wouldn't surprise me if Ganon came, as I've never played the games for story.

I do like the simple archetype story though^^.

 

[Masky]

If someone comes up with some decently thought out theories as to how Ganon/Gannondorf would appear in the game, this could be a good fit in this room I think.

Don't look at me!

The only thing I could possibly come up with is that SS, along with introducing the origins of the Master Sword, also explains the origins of Ganon's Trident (this would kind of make sense, since the Trident is like the opposite of the Master Sword). Then Ganon (not Ganondorf) could show up as a manifestation of the demonic force that exists within the Trident (hinted at in FSA).

<.< I don't see how you guys try to patch the Zelda games together through storyline, so to me... it wouldn't surprise me if Ganon came, as I've never played the games for story.

I do like the simple archetype story though^^.

There is a clear story connection, confirmed by both the games themselves and statements by the Zelda developers, between OoT WW and TP, which all basically tell the story of Ganondorf (the same Ganondorf) and the Triforce. Skyward Sword has already been stated to take place before OoT by the developers themselves. So, when it comes to the 3D console games at least, it's not "patching the Zelda games together", it's just common sense.

The problem with Ganondorf appearing in SS is that it wouldn't make any sense, since Ganondorf wasn't known as evil until the events of OoT. Heck, at the beginning of OoT, Ganondorf is visiting Hyrule Castle, and he swears allegiance to the King of Hyrule, with Zelda being the only one who suspects that Ganondorf is planning something.

 

[Kingdom Come]

I would like to see Ganondorf. But not as the big bad guy. I'd like to see him as somebody's apprentice or something like that. Discover his origin or something along those lines.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

what about the NES game of Zelda, when did that happen? What about Oracle games when the big final boss if you beat both games is Ganon, what about that?

I don't know, I just don't get that.

Back on topic though,

It would be cool to me if what Kingdom said came true. And also, I guess their could be a split timeline, like these games > these games Those games > those games.

 

[satowolf]

Well of course Ganon is going to pop up out of nowhere, tell his story and fight Link.
It's Zelda tradition.
obv.

 

[Masky]

Well, I was kind of hoping that in this topic we could come up with ridiculous reasonings as to how Ganondorf appears in SS.

 

[jaswa]

The problem with Ganondorf appearing in SS is that it wouldn't make any sense, since Ganondorf wasn't known as evil until the events of OoT. Heck, at the beginning of OoT, Ganondorf is visiting Hyrule Castle, and he swears allegiance to the King of Hyrule, with Zelda being the only one who suspects that Ganondorf is planning something.

If Ganon is some type of demonic incarnation he mightn't have to had exist for a human life time. Possibly he was evil and rampaging around etc. but became Ganondorf by the time you see him in OoT. Remember Zelda dreams a vision from the 3 gods to think that he's bad - maybe they aren't omniscient and were just hanging around in the time period of his previous evil

Pretty loose, but maybe feasible?

 

[Luigitoilet]

That would be awesome if the true Ganon turned out to be some behemoth Lovecraftian god that exists out of time and space, and the physical forms we're used to seeing are just an iota of its true essence.

That'd be a little dark and cosmic for Zelda I suppose

 

[Spire]

That would be awesome if the true Ganon turned out to be some behemoth Lovecraftian god that exists out of time and space, and the physical forms we're used to seeing are just an iota of its true essence.

That'd be a little dark and cosmic for Zelda I suppose

But freaking awesome. Zelda is based heavily on western religion. I began writing an essay on it, but never finished it, so without explanation, I'll just say that Ganon is the Hyrulean equivalent of 'The Devil' and that Ganondorf is his mortal form — 'The Antichrist'. The Antichrist comes into the world and scars it, but is then pushed back into darkness by the 'savior' (Link) aka killed. Ganon has perhaps always existed and the Ganondorf we know in OoT/TP/WW was simply one incarnation, just as the FSA Ganondorf seems to be another.

 

[Ganonsburg]

But freaking awesome. Zelda is based heavily on western religion. I began writing an essay on it, but never finished it, so without explanation, I'll just say that Ganon is the Hyrulean equivalent of 'The Devil' and that Ganondorf is his mortal form — 'The Antichrist'. The Antichrist comes into the world and scars it, but is then pushed back into darkness by the 'savior' (Link) aka killed. Ganon has perhaps always existed and the Ganondorf we know in OoT/TP/WW was simply one incarnation, just as the FSA Ganondorf seems to be another.

Oh snap. That's simply too good. Ganon(dorf), through this interpretation, just became that more cool. And I guess that would explain why Ganondorf always ends up coming back. Although it doesn't explain why Ganondorf would transform into Ganon in TP, and then go on to have the final fight as Ganondorf. Wouldn't he hold out his strongest form for last? And wouldn't it hold that once Ganon was defeated, that Ganondorf would be done?

Or maybe that has something to do with the Zant connection. =/ Still a cool idea, nonetheless. I would love to see Ganon be the primary antagonist, wreaking havoc on Hyrule while trying to get the Trident (and later the Triforce) so as to create for himself a physical human manifestation. He succeeds along the way, creating Ganondorf (OoT form). Not yet possessing the body, he hides it away for later use. Link comes in, and defeats Ganon. Roll end credits. Everything is happy and all, but at the very end we see a cutscene showing Ganon's "spirit" (or gaseous cloud, or whatever) descending into Ganondorf and walking over to the Gerudo tribe.

 

[GwJ]

Shouldn't Ganon not show up? SS comes before OoT if I'm not mistaken, and from what I've read on this board, that's the beginning of Ganondorf.

 

[Masky]

Shouldn't Ganon not show up? SS comes before OoT if I'm not mistaken, and from what I've read on this board, that's the beginning of Ganondorf.

Yeah. But it's a high-profile console 3D Zelda game so Ganondorf will probably just show up for the party anyway, possibly involving a retcon of parts of OoT or some other random bull****, kind of like how he did in TP even though it was totally unnecessary

 

[Lore]

I really hope that we won't see Ganondorf; I would much rather find out that "Ganon" is some sort of Lovecraftian behemoth, like LT said. That would be amazing.

Of course, they could always just use SS to explain the "one male per 100 years" curse. Perhaps "Ganon" (as the eldritch monster, like LT said, or just a powerful, immortal/reincarnating evil king) is in control of the world in SS, and at the end of the game, he gets cursed to only resurface within one bloodline every hundred years? That would make sense.

 

[Spire]

That would me immensely awesome. So Hyrule (before it is named such) is originally Ganon's world, so Link is sent down to vanquish his evil dominion and seal him away in whatever way possible. Hmm...

 

[Masky]

That'd be cool. It'd also be consistent with the description of Hyrule as "land of chaos" before the Goddesses fixed it up

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

this really isnt relevant to anything but plz...discuss

 

[Luigitoilet]

If you have nothing to contribute, there's no reason to post.

 

[Life]

Since this thread is necro'd:

We'll probably see Dorf's Start of Darkness in this one. (I'm thinking he's a kid that, near the end of the game, gets traumatized by the Gerudo somehow and makes a deal with Ganon (who is a seperate entity at the time) to curse them to live in the desert and not have enough males to go around. In the process, however, he gets cursed to be reincarnated as a Gerudo in X-hundred years.)

 

[etecoon]

ganondorf just being a physical host to a transcendent demon sounds amazing, but somehow I don't see nintendo going that route.

I would really hope not to see ganon in this assuming it is an origin story, but there is always the possibility that miyamoto randomly decides that it should take place way later and completely changes the themes of the game at the last minute, leaving it a horribly incoherent mashup that destroys the series' continuity even further beyond the cluster **** that it was before...he does that sometimes...

 

[Spire]

Do you guys honestly think that this game is based just some 30 years before OoT? It seems that SS is being set up as a multi-century predating story, just as WW and TP are multi-centuries passed sequels to OoT. Keep in mind that "a Gerudo male is born once every hundred years" so while we may not see the OoT incarnation of Ganondorf, we may see an earlier incarnation, or just a wholly different Gerudo male. Or none at all.

 

[etecoon]

that too, I mean, they never actually say what a gerudo lifespan is either, but this game should be hundreds of years before OoT assuming they don't change anything

and it could make sense for every gerudo male to be named ganondorf considering that there's only one of them every hundred years...makes much more sense than link which has never been explained, or zelda where every princess being named zelda is explained in one of the very last games in the timeline...

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

I predict the game will truly be that if a legend hylians even in OoT will tell tales of.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

It would be cool if ganon in SS was an easter egg and not actually involved in the plot of the game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that only one male Gerudo is born every 100-something years? And that he'd became the king of the desert. If so, I see no problem with there being another Ganondorf.

Besides, didn't Twilight Princess already proof Ganon is transcendent demon? I mean, just look at the final battle against him (especially after beating the beast form).

I have no problem with Ganon being the end boss again. It's a Zelda game afterall. Do you see people complaining about Bowser being the villian in Mario everytime?

 

[GwJ]

I'm starting to doubt what they're saying by no Ganondorf. I believe it's possible that Ganondorf is just like Zelda in that all Gerudo kings are named Ganondorf. That does not mean that the king would be the Ganondorf WE KNOW though.

We could see a Ganondorf that is not the king of evil, but the kindly Gerudo King.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Well, if you want to be pedantic, they DID specifically just say "no Ganon". No -dorf on there at any point.

That would be really weird though, and I really doubt it. Gannon/dorf has always been the same being throughout the series hasn't he? It would be hella weird to suddenly, after all these games, just throw in some OTHER guy who is also named Gannondorf.

 

[Spire]

Do you troll with Gannon, or have you played LoZ so many times that the misspelling has become a habit?

 

[Glöwworm]

Do you troll with Gannon, or have you played LoZ so many times that the misspelling has become a habit?

Then it was Luigitoilet that put the same mispelling on SS's thread title? I joked about that in that thread telling some guy to never make that mistake and then all of a sudden, the thread title had the mispelling

 

[Luigitoilet]

There is no Dana, there is only Gannondorf

 

[Marc]

It would be weird for a main line Zelda console game to not have Ganondorf, unless it's a side story directly building on a previous entry, like Majora's Mask. They managed to somehow drag him into Twilight Princess at the end and considering how much of a staple character he is (he's in the smash games for a reason), not having him would no doubt upset many fans.

It taking place before Ocarina of Time is a rather daring choice IMO, as it puts not just Ganon, but the entire story at risk of opening up plot holes and inconsistencies. They could do some sort of origin story or even have him travel through time to fight this game's Link, something which seems farfetched until you realize that OoT actually had time travel. They could also make it so that whatever happens for some reason can't be passed through history (for example with a drastic world change, has also happened before with the flooding...), so they don't have to deal with none of it being in OoT and subsequent entries.

 

[theeboredone]

Well, Ganondorf is a Gerudo and male Gerudos rarely ever show up. So I figure that the OoT Ganondorf would be a descendent of a previous Ganondorf, or that there is yet to be a Ganondorf born, and one does not come around until the time of OoT.

Overall, I figure he just isn't "born" yet.

 

[Problem2]

I think the belief that Ganon is a dark entity that has always existed is the most likely option. I mean. Every game that mentions the Master Sword always mentions Ganondorf. I can't imagine the Master Sword being created to defeat someone not Ganon.

Also *spoilers*, I believe it was confirmed that Girihim is working for a 'master' of sorts right? Wouldn't seem too far fetched to me. I also started thinking this because the evil sealed in the chest of Minish Cap features Moblins, who are loyal followers of Ganon. This would mean that the evil of Ganon would have to predate even Minish Cap.

 

[Spire]

I don't want to find the evidence because it'd take forever, but I've pieced together a fairly concrete belief that Majora may actually be our ultimate foe in SS.

 

[GwJ]

Can you give me a condensed version? I'm quite interested.

 

[escro]

do tell, Spire.
even better, make a new thread in the theory section. needs some revival imo

 

[Orboknown]

I don't want to find the evidence because it'd take forever, but I've pieced together a fairly concrete belief that Majora may actually be our ultimate foe in SS.

please make a thread about this.or explain it further here at leeast.