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Smash Hero
I'd rather go for the charged usmash after the reset.
Usually leads into a nair or something. Extra damage is pretty nifty.
Usually leads into a nair or something. Extra damage is pretty nifty.
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Q&A Game and Watch Q&A Thread
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Cactuarz
Smash Ace
O.O omg, I'm gonna add that into my game, what a way to punish CCers, dtilt > jab reset > usmash > nair would be like 50% haha, hell the usmash could lead to a grab against fast fallers too, hmmmmm *tinkers*
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
lol, hmm, i should look into what %'s G&W's dtilt being CC'd will lead to tripping, make a list for each chars since this wouldn't be a bad thing to look into
DualCats
Smash Ace
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I would love you forever. <3
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
My next off day will then be dedicated to this *wednesday*
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
Double post for awesomeness
Following %'s are when the opponent is crouch canceling, after the dtilt connects
Tested in NTSC v1.0
CC'd Dtilt > pratfall (ending %'s) {to see what % to start at, a fresh dtilt does 12 %, so bowser would be 29 - 70 if you hadn't used dtilt in a long while}
Bowser 41- 82
CF 38 - 77
Doc 38 - 74
DK 40 - 76
Falco 34 - 69
Fox 33 - 68
G&W 30 - 59
Ganon 39 - 79
IC 35 - 67
Jiggs 30 - 57
Kirby 32 - 63
Link 38 - 76
Luigi 38 - 72
Mario 38 - 70
Master Hand Cannot Pratfall
Martha 35 - 68
M2 35 - 67
Ness 37 - 67
Peach 36 - 69
Pichu 29 - 57
Pika 34 - 67
Roy 35 - 69
Samus 40 - 76
Sheik 36 - 71
Yoshi 39 - 76
YL 35 - 67
Zelp 36 - 69
Hope ya enjoy this =D
Thanks also to rocket33r for CC'ing >.>
Following %'s are when the opponent is crouch canceling, after the dtilt connects
Tested in NTSC v1.0
CC'd Dtilt > pratfall (ending %'s) {to see what % to start at, a fresh dtilt does 12 %, so bowser would be 29 - 70 if you hadn't used dtilt in a long while}
Bowser 41- 82
CF 38 - 77
Doc 38 - 74
DK 40 - 76
Falco 34 - 69
Fox 33 - 68
G&W 30 - 59
Ganon 39 - 79
IC 35 - 67
Jiggs 30 - 57
Kirby 32 - 63
Link 38 - 76
Luigi 38 - 72
Mario 38 - 70
Master Hand Cannot Pratfall
Martha 35 - 68
M2 35 - 67
Ness 37 - 67
Peach 36 - 69
Pichu 29 - 57
Pika 34 - 67
Roy 35 - 69
Samus 40 - 76
Sheik 36 - 71
Yoshi 39 - 76
YL 35 - 67
Zelp 36 - 69
Hope ya enjoy this =D
Thanks also to rocket33r for CC'ing >.>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1GnbmIvL7o&feature=related
2:35
Is this what you are talking about?
Shameless self-promotion
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
Yea, same idea, cept that was a funky pratfall since i think you hit with the aerial hit and the pika went crazy O.owhy did the pika fall over there?
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
he didn't go through the jab reset animation O.o and the pika was too low of a % to pratfall O.o
all i can think is that you hit him when he was still moving then SDI'd down right away into a pratfall, idk though
all i can think is that you hit him when he was still moving then SDI'd down right away into a pratfall, idk though
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
the jab didn't jab reset O.o if you look closely after the jab he put a shield up O.o i'm fairly confused right now
maybe i'm crazy
maybe i'm crazy
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
ah ok lol, i really need to get on top of my smash DI x.x thanks
QERB
Banned via Warnings
good cactuarz, much appreciated
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
bigups to Cactuarz's holding it down in this thread
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
O.o hi? hahaha. I don't know if I'm the best person to have this thread >.> but I'll accept the responsibility and abuse it =D
Guess I need to step it up eh?
Guess I need to step it up eh?
keeper
Smash Champion
Come on, step it up.
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
I shall step it up, I'ma crush you monday keeper! I DON'T FEAR YOU OR YOUR SHEIK RAWR
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
i give you the totem to hold for now, my current living situation prohibits me of internet so i have to go the library.and i no longer have smash in my possession, but G&W will stay in my favor as always.
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
i was wondering is CG with up-throw good against Spacies from 0%?
keeper
Smash Champion
=P Right.
Is there any way to tell which direction G&W is throwing or should the player just DI whichever direction they feel best?
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
@ noct the CG works from 0-35 on fox, if he DI's up and shines out of it, falco a little longer, then you can go to dthrow according to everyone who tries telling me G&W ***** falco... ugh haha.
@keeper, my van is working again, so we'll be up monday to **** you/gage/eggz =D also there is a way to tell apparently, I've heard that each throw makes the person/balls G&W juggles move in different directions, though i've never actually needed to know that in battle so I can't tell you which is which haha
@keeper, my van is working again, so we'll be up monday to **** you/gage/eggz =D also there is a way to tell apparently, I've heard that each throw makes the person/balls G&W juggles move in different directions, though i've never actually needed to know that in battle so I can't tell you which is which haha
keeper
Smash Champion
I'll figure this out and edit back in a couple minutes.
LThrow- Ball moves left to right, character always starts in right hand no matter which side you grab them from.
RThrow- Ball moves right to left, character always starts in left hand no matter which side you grab them from.
Dthrow- Ball moves from opposite hand you grabbed with to whatever hand you grabbed with.
Uthrow- Ball moves from opposite hand you grabbed with to whatever hand you grabbed with.
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
its also easy to gimp spacies with d tilt and chair in front of ledges i enjoy that lots.
StealthyGunnar
Smash Champion
How does G&W fight marth? Should he approach, wait, camp? (I don't know how yo ucan camp w/ him but w/e.)
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
I'm not the master of this matchup (I usually go zelda vs a marth) but stage wise, go brinstar/FoD against him. Brimstar ***** against marth =). DL64 I assume wouldn't be bad since it messes with him, getting under platforms is always nice, ruins his game.
Baiting moves works well, up b OoS is good if you get stuck and he is in the air at the normal up-b punishing spots/%'s (low % if close to ground, high % if higher in air, only use if there's a top platform to safely land on)
The matchup for G&W relys almost solely on getting in on him, via baiting his attacks and QUICKLY punishing, which can be hard, though if you get a grab/dtilt(low%)/fair(low%)/nair(mid-high)/bair(if he DI's up or away) you can usually get a free hit/combo in. once you get in on marth you can just destroy him, trick is baiting, and WATCH OUT FOR THE DASH DANCE CAMP.
I wouldn't mind hearing how other G&W's take the matchup, i have issues if they dash dance camp well =c
Baiting moves works well, up b OoS is good if you get stuck and he is in the air at the normal up-b punishing spots/%'s (low % if close to ground, high % if higher in air, only use if there's a top platform to safely land on)
The matchup for G&W relys almost solely on getting in on him, via baiting his attacks and QUICKLY punishing, which can be hard, though if you get a grab/dtilt(low%)/fair(low%)/nair(mid-high)/bair(if he DI's up or away) you can usually get a free hit/combo in. once you get in on marth you can just destroy him, trick is baiting, and WATCH OUT FOR THE DASH DANCE CAMP.
I wouldn't mind hearing how other G&W's take the matchup, i have issues if they dash dance camp well =c
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
im not a fan of the marth & G&w match up becuase is so easy to get chain grabbed by him and Tipped..
StealthyGunnar
Smash Champion
Alright, thanks. And what is your opinion vs. doc?
I realize, since I main doc mostly, he WILL pill spam. So maybe wavedash and immediately light shield while still sliding to get closer, or maybe duck under his pills. Probably take him to battlefield or a place w/ platforms? I know I hate going to stages with platforms when playing Doc, since he relies on chaingrabbing. Does this sound good, at least to you guys?
I realize, since I main doc mostly, he WILL pill spam. So maybe wavedash and immediately light shield while still sliding to get closer, or maybe duck under his pills. Probably take him to battlefield or a place w/ platforms? I know I hate going to stages with platforms when playing Doc, since he relies on chaingrabbing. Does this sound good, at least to you guys?
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
@nocturnalist just hold down when he grabs you...
@cash Vs doc is stupid, don't even try light sheilding his pills unless you have to, they eat your already pathetic sheild quickly, ducking does work as long as you're moving, I personally believe G&W is stupid without platforms in general, Doc won't grab you. Try to get port priority, (port 1) otherwise if doc grabs you he get's a free fair... ouch
Doc won't chaingrab you, he's too lame like that. Pills **** you, cape is good, but you can sweetspot, nairs are your friend in this matchup imo, like... throw out random short hop nairs if you think he might run into it wavedashign all over the place. If he camps, just bair pills and stay way back? I'm not that good at this matchup
@cash Vs doc is stupid, don't even try light sheilding his pills unless you have to, they eat your already pathetic sheild quickly, ducking does work as long as you're moving, I personally believe G&W is stupid without platforms in general, Doc won't grab you. Try to get port priority, (port 1) otherwise if doc grabs you he get's a free fair... ouch
Doc won't chaingrab you, he's too lame like that. Pills **** you, cape is good, but you can sweetspot, nairs are your friend in this matchup imo, like... throw out random short hop nairs if you think he might run into it wavedashign all over the place. If he camps, just bair pills and stay way back? I'm not that good at this matchup
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
lol you still get F_Smashed ><
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
O.o down + jump out of it you should only get fsmashed at low %'s if any, maybe i'm wrong?
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
nah your totally right
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
yea, the marth matchup is SOOO much easier if you DI throws down and all attacks (about 70% and down) away from him. He can't combo you and it changes from a 90-10 to like a... 70-30?
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
im a sucker when it comes to di.. thats approach against marf is ugly
keeper
Smash Champion
A lot of it comes down to knowing where the throw puts you and what the animation even looks like so you can react. You don't even need to react super quickly if you can recognize the animation VERY early on and react in time before they release you. It's what really shows amongst scrubbier players when they don't exactly know what to expect. They just know that "oh no, this sound and movement means he will try x, I better do y because I know that his plan won't work as long as I react."
That's just my opinion though... I got tired of getting fthrow->fsmash long ago. An explanation I once heard from M2K during doubles was "I heard the Jiggs uthrow sound so I just knew that if I jumped and hit *move here* I'd knock my partner and the Jiggs away saving him from rest."
Edit: Holy **** rambling. ^
_KuyaSombreo_
Smash Ace
Anyone else think that Uair reminds you of a vuvuzela?
Btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKZCGwZINSw
First ever vuvuzela combo at the end, and excuse my friend for being a racist a**
Im pretty experienced in the marth matchup, so maybe a few vids will help you guys?
Btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKZCGwZINSw
First ever vuvuzela combo at the end, and excuse my friend for being a racist a**
Im pretty experienced in the marth matchup, so maybe a few vids will help you guys?