- Apr 18, 2006
- Kansas City, Kansas
there are IF's at the beginning of the shine. it depends on whether or not he has the time to get it off.
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first 6 frames are invincible that's why i ask. But if the hitbox doesn't reach... I don't think you can jump cancel reflectors like melee.. can you?there are IF's at the beginning of the shine. it depends on whether or not he has the time to get it off.
Although we havent tested wolf or fox yet, so far Falco has had 0 frames of freedom with a buffered grab. Judging by the timing and the fact that unbuffered CGs already used to work to lower percents, I'm almost certain Fox and Wolfs will also have 0 frames of freedom, but for obvious reasons were testing the higher tiers first. Also, like Falco's grab, Wolfs needs to be started at 20%. But as mentioned he can be fthrow to that percent like Falco.Wolfs Shine has a lot more range than Pika's grab. If there's enough time for the Shine, then range won't be an issue. Wolf can also Shine Marth out of many moves as well as any non-tether grab.
Either way I don't think it'll affect the Wolf match-up very much. Wolf is one of the harder characters to grab. No character can actually shieldgrab his bair (not even Olimar) so I can't see it becoming a **** match-up. Same for Falco btw, you still have no safe ways to approach him.
MK on the other hand will obviously be the most drastic change. You can basically play the Falco-game: CG to 60%, run away and spam projectiles (except that Pika runs faster and has a much better recovery...and I think he's a bit heavier than Falco). This match-up might become even in Pika's favour.
I can't see this being any good vs Snake. It's more or less impossible to grab him, especially if he places mines and grenades well. His dthrow techchase is probably still better.
Amazing find none the less. I love how people used to say Brawl lacks depth...now it's possible to survive Chainspikes, Falcon can combo into guaranteed knees and Pika can take half of MKs stock from one grab.
Was this talking about MK, Snake, or both? (I think I'm on a different page than everyone else here...)The cg won't give Pika that much of an advantage. Now they know that you will try the grab them at start, so all they have to do is avoid getting grabbed till they reach a safe percent and the chain grab won't work.
Yeah, we just got to condition the opposition to fear grabs. FEAR IT!Perhaps. But then again, I'm sure there's some great mindgames potential there.
Im starting to regret sharing this info -_-
i thought i would point this out. if you guys decide to hide it i will repost all the info in my own thread. hiding info does nothing but slow us down. i would rather learn how to deal with anti grab strats now then in the middle of a big tourney with a lot on the line.Dont be. This is how we progress the Meta game. Finding ways to avoid it, either by getting on another character or ultimately not getting grabbed while on meta.