Fthrow/Dthrow Chaingrab Thread

[[FBC] ESAM]

Working on the vid now...chill, its with somebody trying to escape. Shows MK, Snake, D3, Wolf, Sheik, and Fox.

 

[KayLo!]

Thanks for updating the OP, Tag. I'll update the guide with this when I do all the other edits as well.

As for the people automatically saying "This doesn't work," I understand that sentiment..... I didn't believe it at first either when Tag & Prime were talking about it in the chat (sorry guys, lol, didn't wanna get my hopes up). But people have been testing it in real matches, offline, against other good players, and I know that Bear and ESAM have both said they're working on getting vids up. Be patient.

 

[CY]

i really hope this doesn't work. this will pretty much kill falco because tournaments i attend, people play to win to the max. meaning, insta pika CP :o

ah well i'll just pick up marth or something

 

[Ussi]

i really hope this doesn't work. this will pretty much kill falco because tournaments i attend, people play to win to the max. meaning, insta pika CP :o

ah well i'll just pick up marth or something

Wise choice. Best thing to a Pikachu Counter. (I'd say his only match that's 35-65)

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Vid is being published on movie maker and will be uploaded shortly thereafter. I only did Wolf, Sheik, Fox, Snake, MK, DDD, and Falco (yes it does work on falco)

 

[KayLo!]

Wise choice. Best thing to a Pikachu Counter. (I'd say his only match that's 35-65)

Don't encourage them....!!!

Instead of Marth, why not give Fox or Sheik a try? <3

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

VIDEO IS HERE!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v8Myoltijo

 

[Stealth Raptor]

Sure, because we know some japanese dude that found this exists. Seems like a niko_k prank to me.

here is my proof.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=226042

testimonial of a respected mk that i tested this on.

and ky! WTF! you aint got no chance son. neither you nor nynja. you guys better be ready when the devil rat comes back to town!

 

[!Boom!]

Sexy stuff ESAM

 

[KayLo!]

VIDEO IS HERE!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v8Myoltijo

Great video, ESAM. Using this for the guide, hope you don't mii~iind.

 

[Tagxy]

ESAM, did you try using pummel instead of fthrow?

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Why would i mind? Anything for the pikas *bows* i didn't test any of the other ones because imo 2 grabs doesn't really make a difference..

Yes i did, and it didn't work. You won't realistically get more than 1 pummel on the wolf at that time, and the 2nd DDD thing he gets out if i pummel once or twice. Don't ask...its weird as ****.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

lawl the ddd one is so specific. thats epic. i cant wait to test these on anyone i can find

 

[Veng]

whats buffering a grab?

so for falco. get him to 20-30% then dthrow like you would on fox?

i dont get buffering... does this mean grabbing at the perfect time so you dont shield...

 

[Stealth Raptor]

its grabbing in the 11 frame window before it ends. my simple analogy is- cg like you were playing online, and that brief setback in grabs buffers it. make sure to hit z fast though (as in dont hold it)

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Basically. I personally use Z-stick (grab function on the C-stick) so i never shield, so you guys have to pracitce more . Yes, you just input a grab after you shield, but before the grab is actually over...just practice it.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

why would you have to practice? i didnt sheild once. if you cant push the z button fast enough you shouldnt be playing brawl at all lawl

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Well no, its the fact that if you do it too early you will not grab, and if you do it too late you will shield.

 

[The Truth!]

Thanks ESAM. Ill add the video right now.

Yeah the grab is weird because it isnt visual, which is why we missed it before.

 

[Spelt]

VIDEO IS HERE!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v8Myoltijo

Did you test Falco's shine for his CG?
people are saying he can escape at around 70% with it.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

falco escape with shine? look at how high he goes and tell me if he can escape with shine lawl. he doesnt even get IF's with it idt

 

[momochuu]

I just used this on a Falco! :]

 

[Zajice]

Man, these things are so awesome... The Snake chains kinda make me worry though. At least my Pikachu has another thing to use against Snakes, buuuut if my Snake runs into another Pika, I'm gonna have some problems... I guess I should be glad that I can escape with the grenade since I will rip people's heads off for the 4th port. The d-throw over the ledge ruins that though... :/

Aaaaaaarg! This is a strange mixture of happiness and sadness at the same time! D:

Did you test Falco's shine for his CG?
people are saying he can escape at around 70% with it.

The Falco's are already saying that they can't do anything about it. The only thing that can get them out of it before 100% is if they're on Lylat and it tips.

 

[Spelt]

Well never mind then, i'm obviously crazy.
Better for pikachus anyways. xD

 

[StarWaffle]

hmmm dammit, i dont really like cgs but o well

 

[Masky]

Question: Let's say I grab MK at 30%, Snake at 50%, or Falco at 50% with a fresh dthrow. Can I still dthrow CG them to the maximum percentage, or do I need to start the CG at the lowest possible percent?

 

[stealth3654]

Working on the vid now...chill, its with somebody trying to escape. Shows MK, Snake, D3, Wolf, Sheik, and Fox.

Awww.... Poor Sheik
I might just have to use Zelda for the Pika matches now.

One question though, can you spam the grab button to buffer it, or can you only press it once?

 

[Stealth Raptor]

we need to test out masky's suggestion. this would be need to know info.

 

[supermario27mx]

ESAM, did you try using pummel instead of fthrow?

You're not supposed to pummel on some chars because the grab/throw needs to be stale for some chars. Pummel would slowly refersh Dthrow

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

Just so you guys know, using the c-stick to grab makes the cg rediculously easier to perform and buffer. Its the same reason i use c-stick to grab to do the DDD infinite.

That kind of grab is called either Z-sticking or Brick-sticking.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

thats sorta the point why we pummel in some of these. the exact staleness needs to be regulated in a few. the ddd one for example.

 

[Zylar]

Awww.... Poor Sheik
I might just have to use Zelda for the Pika matches now.

One question though, can you spam the grab button to buffer it, or can you only press it once?

Spamming the grab button can cause you to misstime the regrab or shield. You have the last 10 frames of his dthrow to regrab.
So, as someone else put it, it's like doing it online with lag : you do it before you see it.

 

[Ussi]

Question: Let's say I grab MK at 30%, Snake at 50%, or Falco at 50% with a fresh dthrow. Can I still dthrow CG them to the maximum percentage, or do I need to start the CG at the lowest possible percent?

cap % have not been tested yet unfortunately.

 

[SSJ5Goku8932]

This may be what Pika needs for the TOP TIER!

 

[Van Jones]

Ok. I just tested the cg on Sheik. So far, I have averaged about a max of 100%. Back to testing.

 

[stealth3654]

Ok. I just tested the cg on Sheik. So far, I have averaged about a max of 100%. Back to testing.

Are you sure you don't want to test someone else first

I need someone to test out Charzard and Sqirtle if anyone has time.

 

[The Truth!]

wooops, mistake post

 

[nothing.]

This was found by someone in Japan. We don't know when he found it, but it could of been 6 months ago.

they found about the buffer grab about 10 month ago.

Prime did say that the MK can escape the grab if they SDI almost every single frame, but it works in all other instances. Every time I have tried it, it has worked.

how could you SDI every single frame?
is he doing it on homebrew hack or something?
if he is, i would like to know more about it.
if there is something like a debug mode, i'm pretty sure japanese would love it since they have no knowledge about hacks.

 

[Zylar]

But I doubt they roughly knew the percentages that quickly.

BTW, thnx.

 

[Piman34]

thanks for the video esam, i think the visual effect will help everyone to get it down, that and practice