Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Wenbobular]

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any ideas on how to recover better?

edit: Learning to shorten the illusion proficiently is really strong too.

Mad strong

You can probably recover 100% of the time against most Marths just by learning how to shorten

The other thing is a lot of Marths don't edgeguard in the cheapest manner possible (i.e. doing onstage attacks instead of going off) so you can often fastfall and Firefox sweetspot -> tech instant illusion or tech walljump shorten / illusion through them

Obviously you have to adjust if they actually edgeguard correctly but some (most?) Marths seem to be pretty lazy about doing so ~_~ (also you have to be able to Firefox sweetspot mad good haha)

Another thing is if you see them crouching early you can illusion above their Dtilt if you think that's the move they'll use

 

[Deleted member]

westballz mid illusion is really good

 

[Wenbobular]

Until you mess it up at 10% and die haha

 

[omgwtfToph]

why is it the "westballz" mid illusion lol

 

[Bones0]

I thought he was using it as possessive ("Westballz's" looks funny lol).

I use mid distance illusions all the time. It's not any more difficult than shortens from what I can tell.

 

[omgwtfToph]

it's a lot more difficult than full shortens. the frame window for full shortens is pretty wide but I believe it's 1 frame for each respective length of mid-way shortens

 

[Bones0]

Hmmm, well hopefully someone can test it for specifics.

 

[Lovage]

bones change that pic no one watches house anymore

 

[Kyu Puff]

is house an actual place in maryland? i can't tell if your location is a joke or your avatar is a pun

 

[Bones0]

I STILL WATCH HOUSE, *****.

is house an actual place in maryland? i can't tell if your location is a joke or your avatar is a pun

My location is a joke.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I have been fiddling with the idea of changing my profile to:


House0
Smash Master

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Smithsonian, DC
Posts: More than Bones0

 

[ShroudedOne]

That's pretty funny.

 

[Bones0]

I'm assuming that's the woman from the show Bones. lol

 

[Ocho(*8*)]

is it true that upthrow uair is not a legit combo on peach if she DI's well? even if its second hit uair only? thats what was posted on the peach boards... http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14607376&postcount=11095

 

[Lovage]

not sure about the specifics or when it truely combos or not, but as of today's status quo, if you're as quick as you can be, very few peaches will be sucessful in dodging your uair.

SDI is a bigger concern to me than peaches nairing/jumping out, but you can outplay them if you read which direction they're gonna SDI in, and lead your uair that way. a lot of times it's really obvious which direction people will SDI, and people rarely switch it up.

 

[Jake13]

Which way do you SDI out of fox's upair (depending on where he's facing)?

Its always away from the second foot, right?

 

[ArcNatural]

Which way do you SDI out of fox's upair (depending on where he's facing)?

Its always away from the second foot, right?

They smash DI upthrows to avoid the 2nd foot yes, but it's easy to read for the most part.

If you upthrow and they don't DI, just watch for how they smash DI and they will almost always smash DI that way everytime.

If they DI left on the upthrow they will most likely smash DI to the right, and vice versa.

 

[unknown522]

Hmm

Edit: chilling with Otto was mad fun yesterday. Got a lot of games in finally. Also played some other games too

 

[Bing]

You could probably make jab connect because it hits surprisingly high. It's just... you wouldn't be able to do anything after it.

Bing, you remember how you were asking about jabbing Falcon a bunch of times during a waveshine chain instead of just doing a proper chain? This is pretty much the same question except rehashed for a different, similarly 'set' combo.

>__>




edit: Even shine would probably be better after 1st hit uair than jab because at least you can do something with a knockdown. Jab is like... susceptible to shield, SDI > jump (because this is probably mainly for vs other space animals), hold down > shine, etc.

Yeah I've been thinking about using shine its just for some reason I cant waveshine a person falling ontop of me. So like, if I u-throw, wait for them to fall and try to waveshine chase them, I get caught in shine and I dont know why, obviously a tech skill issue just its weird how its only in that situation.

Mind you this is all just incase I mess up the uair, I'd much rather hit the full uair as opposed to 1 hit uair combo drop.

 

[Bones0]

@Bing

It's because you're jumping during hitlag. Just pretend it's a regular grounded waveshine and you should be fine.

 

[Bing]

I am doing that..

I just try and do a normal waveshine just my hands refuse to coordinate with me :S

 

[unknown522]

Why try to waveshine falling opponents? That should be like a last-resort, if you think that they may hit you first or something

 

[Bing]

lol its just fun to do. I see westballz do it once and awhile lmfao.

 

[omgwtfToph]

Sitting here in the Twin Cities airport waiting on my flight to Toronto that's currently delayed almost 2 hours. This is greeze. I just wanna kick it with Otto KK and unknown T.T

 

[unknown522]

There are too many fox mains in one room over here!

 

[Pachinkosam]

Add one more

 

[S1 The God]

Unknown is going hard right now

 

[F A N G]

Is utilt > grab legit at all?

 

[Bones0]

On FFers, sure.

 

[PGH Carroll]

anything is possible

 

[PK Webb]

going back into techskill practice. nair shine chains r hard again 4 some odd reason(dam u x button) and whats faster to grab ledge. run off shine turn around firefox or run off sweetspot forward b??

 

[Wenbobular]

Runoff illusion sweetspot is pretty slow isn't it
Shine turnaround firegrab is ok
Turnaround waveshine is decently fast
Wavedash -> fast PC hog is also decently fast and is probably the safest (can't airdodge off, can't get stagespiked)
The edgecancel shinehog is by far the fastest I believe, but it's also pretty hard to do
You can also turnaround laser edgecancel
Am I missing anything

 

[PK Webb]

the illusion isnt that slow actually when sweetspotted since u grab almost immediately after the "ping" sound

 

[Bones0]

I think it goes:
1. Shinehog
2. Turn around waveshine
3. Illusion
4. Runoff shine turn around up-B

 

[voorhese]

Switching falco SUCKERS!!!! lol...for real though. Going to take him serious for awhile. I feel like fox is so versatile that he can skip over some fundamentals and still do fine until a pretty solid level of play, while other characters cannot. Also I feel like that is a problem I have had, and I need to take my game slower as it is already. What better way to do so than to switch to a character who is similar in hand motions, slower by nature, and can't get away with as much? Especially because of another thing I have noticed (Which leads me to believe the original point). EVERY great falco I know of has a pocket fox, but not every great fox has a pocket falco...I am not saying the great foxes rely on fox being able to do **** other characters can't and don't NEED to do extra safe ****, that isn't what I mean, what I mean is that it is an odd coincidence to me that it does kind of seem that way...especially because the meta always changes, and the "best" does with it. I noticed today especially that m2k was using his lightshield a lot more than he usually does, and at different times. I have learned to use my lightshield in those ways for awhile now from ckit/little england. The point is this, m2k didn't use that, because I don't think he felt he needed too or something, now he does, and he was playing really well. That is an example I think of fox being able to just get away with more ****, but once he actually implemented it (m2k, not fox) he did better. The best part of this example was that he was doing it on sheik. I think I need a 2ndary to get a better handle on the game, and once I have it my fox will just improve on it's own (i don't need any more techskill). Also I like how all of falco's bad matchups are positive ones for fox. so having a pocket fox (especially after it used to be my main) would be awesome to have. And I think that learning the game from a different perspective will make my pocket fox then better than my current fox anyway.

tl:dr;

FALCO DA BESS *****ES!!!

 

[PK Webb]

sellout......

 

[Lovage]

just turning around and WD'ing back is also really fast (and easy)

fast illusion sweetspot is faster than waveshining off tho.



voorheese you ain't gonna do ****

 

[PK Webb]

ok kool. i find waveshining off more difficult going to the right but easy peezy going left so i was gonna replace it with the illusion going right.

 

[voorhese]

lolololol you don't even know man imma by hooj *tear*

 

[PGH Carroll]

moonwalk baby. my one and only