Skler
Smash Master
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
- Start date
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
The shine bair thread would look like:
Jump out of shine and do bair.
/endthread
The Marth I faced in those recent videos is good. CCs my jabs, CCs my nairs and bairs. He doesn't have much of a combo game, but his CC game and shield game are really good. I got wrecked on FD though. Notice how I wasn't playing defensively at all. He has waiting for me to either attempt a dair or come charging at him. I must have not been thinking because I kept running at him mindlessly. Thats what happens when you run at Marth on FD. You get *****. But on the platform stages I had alot of room to WD around and bait his grabs and get easy openings.
Doesn't have to be the top of the shine if they d.i. into it. lol
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
As you can probably tell I'm decent at the theorycraft of smash but I don't have much experience. >_>
Lovage
Smash Hero
pretty much it...lol
how to shine bair:
u shine
then u bair
lol why cant people understand it
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
iuno luvaage i guess we 2 good.
shine bair 2 hard.
shine bair 2 hard.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Lovage
Smash Hero
also using shine turnaround bair is a good way to punish your opponent's survival DI
its very easy when they DI up, towards or up/towards
its hella fun, dont try it in tourny unless ur comfortable
its very easy when they DI up, towards or up/towards
its hella fun, dont try it in tourny unless ur comfortable
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
Can someone with AR or something tell me if it's possible to shine-nair a non-di:ing pichu?
i've been able to do it on every char except pichu lol
i've been able to do it on every char except pichu lol
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Oh wow, just Fox running made me laugh so hard.
lol, you could also write down some chars/%ages where it stilll combos with good DI.
And how to space the shine
and stuff
pound 3
Also: How do you CC grab?
press down --> let go--> Z
press down-->R/L+A
press down-->JC grab
?
I usually grab with Z, but when i CC then release the control stick and press Z i lightshield =(
And how to space the shine
and stuff
pound 3
Also: How do you CC grab?
press down --> let go--> Z
press down-->R/L+A
press down-->JC grab
?
I usually grab with Z, but when i CC then release the control stick and press Z i lightshield =(
L__
Smash Master
Pound 3, Mango paid M2K to lose.
shenanigans.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
JC grabbing is only for when you're running. When you CC you aren't moving so you already get your standing grab. Z is unreliable because if you mistime it even slightly you lightshield.
CC -> shield grab is the best option. Easiest to time, and even if you miss you can block sometimes.
CC usmash /dtilt is better though.
brawlpro
Smash Master
is there ever a time where a cc grab would be a better choice, if not i'm not gonna bother with it. even though it's like..easyish
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
If usmash won't kill, then go for the grab...thats what I do.
If Sheik ftilt/jabs you can grab because most Sheiks mis-space ftilts. against her dtilt and fair use CC usmash or CC dtilt because they usually try to poke you with those moves.
Against Marth's fair/nair use dtilt because they usually auto-cancel after they hit you and usmash/grab is too slow.
Basically, if they mis-space use grab, if usmash will kill use that instead. Dtilt if they poke you with spaced tilts and aerials.
CC shine is good too if you want to be fancy.
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
Doesn't usmash have more range then grab?
I could very well be wrong here, but i was under the impression it was the case...
I could very well be wrong here, but i was under the impression it was the case...
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
of course it does. But uthrow uair will kill at lower percents in many different situations.
i.e.: Marth/Sheik at 85ish and over.
i.e.: Marth/Sheik at 85ish and over.
Yeah, i know, but if i do CC+JC grab i can still use Z to grab without lightshielding everytime.
However, i'll better just get used to shieldgrab there.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
do what you want. id rather accidentally shield than accidentally jump. lol
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
pound 3 had lots of foxes
Lovage
Smash Hero
mango get the **** out of here
<3 birthday boy
<3 birthday boy
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
wow it's his birthday!?
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
i ask jman about jman
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
sweet man, yo take over this thread with some real mangos
CanISmash
Smash Lord
anyone know how to di outta the drop zone. i do it but im not sure how lolol. down, down and away, no di and just shine? im pretty sure it can be done without relying on the opponent to mess up. i think you can shine before they can knee or something like that.
thoughts?
thoughts?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
down and away is dangerous sometimes. It gives Falcon an easy utilt/hog->bair edge-guard. I think neutral still gets you knee'd. The hitstun from dthrow is pretty long.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
i think you're bound to get hit regardless at that point
CanISmash
Smash Lord
hmm you guys sure?
cause i mean say you're predictable and go down and away + shine.
you can stall in the shine as you see fit and still jump on the stage or onto the ledge without up b or illusion i think.
cause i mean say you're predictable and go down and away + shine.
you can stall in the shine as you see fit and still jump on the stage or onto the ledge without up b or illusion i think.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
mmm.........like when the falcon dthrows you and you just shine?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
if you d.i. away and stall shine, they usually double jump back on the stage after they see your d.i. So now you're way out, not close to the stage, and Falcon has the edge.
Its over with proper edge-guarding. What I do is survival d.i. up and towards, and try to force the reverse knee. Then walljump tech -> shinespike. lmao
Its over with proper edge-guarding. What I do is survival d.i. up and towards, and try to force the reverse knee. Then walljump tech -> shinespike. lmao
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
Then walljump tech -> shinespike. lmao
if only this can happen every time in this situation : )
if only this can happen every time in this situation : )
CanISmash
Smash Lord
reading what you wrote raynex i just had to say STFU out loud to myself.
lolol.
also you like waveland perfectly onto the stage in a lot of your vids who the how the what do you do it. tips?
e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaUeyG21fk 2:05 is just buttery smooth. im more like peanut butter.
lolol.
also you like waveland perfectly onto the stage in a lot of your vids who the how the what do you do it. tips?
e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaUeyG21fk 2:05 is just buttery smooth. im more like peanut butter.
chunky i assume though? cuz creamy is pretty smooth
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
What's the "drop zone"? >_>
L__
Smash Master
Example:
Falcon Forward Throws -> Knee off the stage.
Go see Silence, by Silent Spectre as an example.
Falcon Forward Throws -> Knee off the stage.
Go see Silence, by Silent Spectre as an example.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
haven't you seen SS's combo vid, Silence? Dropzone is dthrow -> knee off platforms and stage edges.
I practice ledge-wavedash ALOT. My advice is treat the ledge-wavedash like a normal wavedash. Just tap down first and quickly make your control stick almost horizontal with the stage. Beyond that its almost the same. Fox's jump is so fast it feels almost the same.
Perfect is when you ledge-wavedash without the sound of his airdodge being audible. My consistency with that is like 75%.
If you end up suiciding alot you aren't holding the control stick horizontally enough or you pressed hit airdodge way too early.
I practice ledge-wavedash ALOT. My advice is treat the ledge-wavedash like a normal wavedash. Just tap down first and quickly make your control stick almost horizontal with the stage. Beyond that its almost the same. Fox's jump is so fast it feels almost the same.
Perfect is when you ledge-wavedash without the sound of his airdodge being audible. My consistency with that is like 75%.
If you end up suiciding alot you aren't holding the control stick horizontally enough or you pressed hit airdodge way too early.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Sexy .