Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[_wzrd]

one gimmick i like is bait(usually just with a jump threaten) DJ > uair. if you space well, even if it trades with dair, u win

if they don't jump, sometimes u can just get a uair/bair anyway

or yeah, what toph said is good too

 

[unknown522]

Thanks so much toph. That will help a lot. When I uthrow Doc what should I be looking for? My usual plan is to Uthrow>spaced bair. What else can u get on Doc after the shine?

just try to u-air and beat out whatever move he does. If he jumps. Try to land first and see if you can b-air/u-air him

 

[omgwtfToph]

man shoyo is still fkn good lol

 

[Divinokage]

Well ya, it takes a long time to lose your skills even if you dont play for a while. Shoyo is good indeed. Even then you can just play once a week and maintain your skills easily.. except if your Fox maybe that would be tougher to maintain that consistency.

 

[Metal Reeper]

Im scared of Doc's nair. It eats everything.

 

[KirbyKaze]

lol wut

 

[Volvagia]

unknown522 - Thanks a lot for all the observations and advice. I'll try to work on the things you said and do some thinking myself as well. I might come up with a question or two when I've tried some things out.

 

[Stijn]

Lil' question, what is faster after a shine into wavedash against Samus, A Uair or a Upsmash? Cause sometimes i do hit a Uair at high percentages, but i miss the Upsmash. Or is that because my wavedash is too short?

 

[Van.]

well usmash is faster

 

[unknown522]

unknown522 - Thanks a lot for all the observations and advice. I'll try to work on the things you said and do some thinking myself as well. I might come up with a question or two when I've tried some things out.

Sounds good. Go for it

 

[Jim Morrison]

Lil' question, what is faster after a shine into wavedash against Samus, A Uair or a Upsmash? Cause sometimes i do hit a Uair at high percentages, but i miss the Upsmash. Or is that because my wavedash is too short?

wavedash too short

 

[Silent Wolf]

Uair is too slow to combo, but usmash combos. His wavedash isn't too short; just get better at wavedashing farther And also walk a slight bit before the usmash

 

[_wzrd]

man shoyo is still fkn good lol

yea dude, I always **** forget how good he is

then I'm like

oh yea

****

 

[omgwtfToph]

I heard you got hella better too. **** I wish I coulda played you this trip lol. Oh well next time.

You should come visit me on the mainland when you get a chance :D let's team at some tourney lollz

 

[Turnerfield77]

How on earth do you JC shine into a smash move? I can JC grab out of shine but I just can't seem to get a smash move out of shine

 

[ZeldaFreak0309]

How on earth do you JC shine into a smash move? I can JC grab out of shine but I just can't seem to get a smash move out of shine

you can only JC shine into usmash so if you've been trying to fsmash/dsmash out of shine im afraid that's not possible xD

otherwise, there's two common ways to usmash out of shine, including:

double sticking (tapping up on both the control stick and the cstick after shine)

clawing with Y (hitting Y with your index finger and up on the cstick with your thumb)

 

[Jake13]

You can also just up>A out of shine to upsmash

That way you can charge it without having to do that silly cstick charge with Z thing

 

[rpotts]

You can also just up>A out of shine to upsmash

That way you can charge it without having to do that silly cstick charge with Z thing

There's nothing silly about charging smashes with C-stick + Z. The real question is, when you would ever want to shine-charge upsmash?

 

[ZeldaFreak0309]

i specifically left out doing it with A because it's almost impossible to do it without wasting a few frames on charging (which, as rpotts pointed out, is pretty much never useful if you're doing it from shine)

 

[rokimomi]

when you have undeniable intelligence and evidence from multiple sources and have dug deep into your opponent's psyche and know without a shadow of a doubt that they will sidestep...
that...is when you charge your upsmash

 

[rpotts]

That is the one example I considered. Clearly, it must happen all of the time.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'd still grab them.

 

[Tee ay eye]

i cant shine usmash with up and A

 

[KirbyKaze]

Wow what a noob

 

[unknown522]

Lol. I only do it with up+A now

 

[KirbyKaze]

Wow what a noob

 

[Jim Morrison]

How on earth do you JC shine into a smash move? I can JC grab out of shine but I just can't seem to get a smash move out of shine

Why don't you just run, crouch cancel your dash into shine (running shine) and then U-smash? If you want to do a shine > usmash short range, yeah good luck with that, just U-smash normally imo.

 

[rjgbadger]

i cant usmash ooshine with a i have to use c-stick

can fox do an illusion infinite regrab on the ledge? in looks short enough if you drop-illusion sweetspot grab

 

[FrootLoop]

both fox and falco can. Falco's is harder though

 

[Bones0]

I'm pretty sure you can't maintain invincibility the whole time (except maybe for Fox's insta-grab, but he can only do it once without landing on the stage).

 

[Wenbobular]

Just perfect firestall instant invincible ledgedash c'mon guys it's almost 2013

 

[Jake13]

Rokimomi knows what's up

If you are running shine upsmashing the opponent, the few frames of charge don't matter (tho its not like guaranteed you are gonna charge anyway). Any other situation charge would be optimal

 

[_wzrd]

UP+A is the way. if your fast enough & shine connects it's in there. it's so easy w/up+A.

@toph
yeaaa buddy, let's do it. WC in 2k13 for sure baby

 

[Bones0]

I use tap jump + A, but I also think A has a couple of frames that automatically get added so you can charge that don't happen when you C-stick. Idk for sure, but those frames have never seemed to matter for me either way though.

 

[_wzrd]

yeah I don't think it really matters+if you get an extra percent that's cool(though I doubt that would happen all the time).

as long as you JC shine fast enough & just up+A let go, it's usually a go.

I never mess it up cuz I charged too much. I only mess up when I dont jc at the right time

 

[PGH Carroll]

Lol I've never done it with the C stick.
Up A all day.

Also I hate controllers.

 

[Silent Wolf]

People @lw@ys jump @t the ch@nce to tell which controls they use when, honestly, no one c@res lol.

 

[FluxWolf]

there is nothing silly about Z stick Otto.

 

[voorhese]

I use the A key for words that have an A in them

<3 <3 <3

 

[Dark Hart]

People shine-upsmash with the cstick?? 0_o