Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[voorhese]

dtilt in teams with puff is ****.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Okay, this is super old and I have read it shouldn't work, but I am not understanding how to avoid a follow-up from falco's Dthrow. I heard random things like crouch cancel it or DI away, but how are you suppose to crouch cancel a grab? I do not understand that at all.

I have been trying to DI away. I always interpreted this as hold control stick left or right whichever direction falco is facing, and I hold down as well to get a shine out, I still get shined before I can get a shine out. Or I end up getting jabbed for I can get a shine out.

 

[Metakill]

teching is the best on fox/falco's d throw

 

[ShroudedOne]

Fox can't tech Falco's downthrow (or if he can, the timing is impossible).

I think hard DI away + mash shine gets you out (at the least, hard DI away always works for me).

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think he can tech it in PAL. But don't quote me on that.

 

[FrootLoop]

I have seen fox tech falco's dthrow exactly once. I couldn't believe it. It was ntsc btw

I have my theories

 

[KirbyKaze]

At high percent in NTSC he can do it, yeah.

 

[Strong Badam]

Fox can't tech Falco's downthrow (or if he can, the timing is impossible).

I think hard DI away + mash shine gets you out (at the least, hard DI away always works for me).

Eat sandwich -> Buffer a roll or spotdodge gets you out.

I think he can tech it in PAL. But don't quote me on that.

Yup.

 

[Tero.]

Yeah we can tech it in PAL

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I have seen fox tech falco's dthrow exactly once. I couldn't believe it. It was ntsc btw

I have my theories

Yeah that was against me I think

 

[DerfMidWest]

DI down+away and mash shine.

 

[unknown522]

Yeah, I heard about riddlebox teching it as well.

I'd guess you have to tech early like with jiggs

 

[Bones0]

You have to tech early with Jiggs because she is light and gets thrown extremely quickly. Just treat it as if it were a jab (I think buffer roll is the simplest solution, but you may get some success with shining/usmashing out or something).

 

[FrootLoop]

Yeah that was against me I think

no it was mundungu at some madison fest. he teched some falco's dthrow at like 40%. I think it was because it was on FoD

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Okay. So if the falco decides to dthrow -> ftilt me at like 60% or higher I cannot do anything except tech in place after getting hit by ftilt. Odd.

 

[unknown522]

If you're at the edge yeah. Otherwise there's a way out

 

[Lovage]

di away dtilt WORKS EVERY TIME

doesnt matter for **** falcos are gonna uthrow you 9/10 times

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

no it was mundungu at some madison fest. he teched some falco's dthrow at like 40%. I think it was because it was on FoD

I have teched it once, too. I have also seen falco's side b send up. Melee still has many mysteries

 

[unknown522]

Phantasm sends up when falco is on the ground during it

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

it was when falco was recovering... like off stage

 

[unknown522]

Oh. Well, dunno how that's possible

 

[KirbyKaze]

Reverse invisible ceiling glitch

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Falcon vs Falco on BF. Falco was recovering on the right. Falcon jumps off with an edgeguard (i think his intention was DJ back uair). Falco sideb'd and hit falcon, falcon got hit up and into the center of the stage as if it were fox's sideb. Ask ORLY, it was his falcon.

 

[DerfMidWest]

thats happened to me twice that I can remember.
I also happened to be falcon, if that matters.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Orly is just magical like that.

 

[Prince_Abu]

yo foxes wats the best way to fall down from the air when an enemy fox is under u

cus dair doesnt work very well

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

fast fall

 

[Bones0]

Up B

 

[Lovage]

you use ur jump to get to a platform or get to one side of him and space ur bair

 

[Tero.]

Does anyone c Stick Jump out of uthrow?

 

[Strong Badam]

no, I claw Y.

 

[Bones0]

I tried learning to buffer C-stick jumps for Marth's fthrow fair chain, but I found it's not helpful for the timing. With Fox, you have a 3 frame window of error to let go of the C-stick so that you don't FH. So if you have to know when the timing for when you can jump within 3 frames, at most you're going to do it 2 frames sooner than pressing Y or X.

tl;dr
Since with Fox you're probably going to be FHing it is usable, but don't expect it to help much more than just knowing the timing.

@Strongbad
Clawing would only help if you can't jump before Fox's throw animation finishes...

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Its a good way to easily jump asap after uthrow, but it won't help you if the opponent DIs

 

[chillindude829]

why dont u just use up to jump after uthrow ive been doing that since 2002

 

[Strong Badam]

I tried learning to buffer C-stick jumps for Marth's fthrow fair chain, but I found it's not helpful for the timing. With Fox, you have a 3 frame window of error to let go of the C-stick so that you don't FH. So if you have to know when the timing for when you can jump within 3 frames, at most you're going to do it 2 frames sooner than pressing Y or X.

tl;dr
Since with Fox you're probably going to be FHing it is usable, but don't expect it to help much more than just knowing the timing.

@Strongbad
Clawing would only help if you can't jump before Fox's throw animation finishes...

It's for the dash -> Jump -> C-stick uair, not just jump.

 

[knightpraetor]

confused as to what you're saying chillin. what's the advantage of using up to jump? I thought only the cstick buffered jumps.

 

[PK Webb]

they have to fix my video its buggin out ill re post it when they fix it

 

[Lovage]

he's saying you don't need to use the same jump button for every single action

you can use up for fast full hop + doublejumps, you can use Y for your running aerials

resourceful players can use these as shortcuts, cuz honestly some things are made easier by using the smarter jump button

 

[voorhese]

I now use X -> claw Y -> cstick for my upthrow to up air, so I can get people who DI my uprthrow well.

Why use Y for running aerials specifically lovage, just curious.

 

[PK Webb]

advice vs peach please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdvZPS78990&feature=youtu.be