Cyrain
Smash Ace
What do you mean exactly? Are you just trying to waveshine backwards? Or are you trying to shine, turn around in the shine so you are facing them and then waveshine forward?
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
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Lovage
Smash Hero
i've gotten a lot better at fighting falcon recently especially edgeguarding him, i have some good stuff most ppl don't do that i think is better than trying to bair a lot of the time.
wait till Stab uploads finals of me vs. mango's falcon from last weekend it's good stuff i think
it's too bad me vs. s2j from the chatworths tourny wasn't recorded at all cuz i was edgeguarding and comboing him really well the whole set
edit: nvm mangos a ****** that set in winners sucked
Doser
Smash Ace
Shining the opponent while facing away from them, then wave dashing towards them then up-smash, grab, etc.
So yes I'm trying to turn around at some point, not necessarily in the shine, but I just muck it up about half of the time and turn around in shine without moving out of shine. So I'm assuming I'm slightly mixing up the button input somewhere.
So yes I'm trying to turn around at some point, not necessarily in the shine, but I just muck it up about half of the time and turn around in shine without moving out of shine. So I'm assuming I'm slightly mixing up the button input somewhere.
Sinji
Smash Master
I was watching some old vids from m2k and i noticed this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfk2vgePkZs&t=1m11s
and this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfk2vgePkZs&t=0m38s
and this. Falcon's di at that percent is a gateway to fox'es usmash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfk2vgePkZs&t=2m6s
I get a lot of low percent kills on falcon using ledge hop shine when doing a bair would've made it very likely for them to be able to recover high and make it back. I'm not sure if the shine can be sdi'd up enough to make this not work though.
Re: waveshine when they're behind you. There's two different ways to do this. You can turn around in shine and then wavedash forward. This requires you to DELAY YOUR WAVEDASH, or else you'll get stuck in shine.
The other option is to wavedash backwards out of shine and then turn around afterwards. The key here is to do your inputs in the following order:
1) shine
2) RETURN STICK TO NEUTRAL
3) jump
4) angle stick for wavedash
5) airdodge
Notice that you don't angle the stick until AFTER you have inputted the jump. This is what ensures that you don't turn around in shine and get stuck.
You just have to pick one method and learn to do it. Personally I always do the latter option; It's way to easy to try to go a little bit too fast and get stuck in shine. But they both work, and they can both be made fast a fluid. You just have to practice the correct motions to build your muscle memory.
Re: waveshine when they're behind you. There's two different ways to do this. You can turn around in shine and then wavedash forward. This requires you to DELAY YOUR WAVEDASH, or else you'll get stuck in shine.
The other option is to wavedash backwards out of shine and then turn around afterwards. The key here is to do your inputs in the following order:
1) shine
2) RETURN STICK TO NEUTRAL
3) jump
4) angle stick for wavedash
5) airdodge
Notice that you don't angle the stick until AFTER you have inputted the jump. This is what ensures that you don't turn around in shine and get stuck.
You just have to pick one method and learn to do it. Personally I always do the latter option; It's way to easy to try to go a little bit too fast and get stuck in shine. But they both work, and they can both be made fast a fluid. You just have to practice the correct motions to build your muscle memory.
mers
Smash Ace
I think dair is an underrated edgeguard against some characters.
If you're edgeguarding Falcon from the stage instead of from the ledge for whatever reason, it's a nifty alternative to dsmash because it can't be teched. They'll be forced to up-B from directly below the stage, which makes finishing them off easy peasy.
If you're edgeguarding Falcon from the stage instead of from the ledge for whatever reason, it's a nifty alternative to dsmash because it can't be teched. They'll be forced to up-B from directly below the stage, which makes finishing them off easy peasy.
Sinji
Smash Master
yep yes i am. :D
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
Fox is awesome.
Smooth Criminal
Smooth Criminal
Sinji
Smash Master
Smashboards gets better and better.
Are any of guys going to Apex 2012?
Are any of guys going to Apex 2012?
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
when you hit a person or shield with the shine, make sure to account for the hit lag. this means wait just a tad before wd out of your shine.
a 2nd possible problem is that u aren't hitting jump before u try to wd backwards, this causes u to turn around...u also cannot cancel the shine while turning around.
so ur probably getting a combination of all 3. practice, make mental checks do u don't **** it up.
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
Doser
Smash Ace
Thanks for the advice guys I appreciate it.
Sinji
Smash Master
I found a good way how to practise your thunders combo.
Just go on practise mode vs falco and put him in evade mode on FD or where ever.
Just go on practise mode vs falco and put him in evade mode on FD or where ever.
dash dancing is like the best move in any situation where you don't know what to do
Sinji
Smash Master
^ it's as if it puts the match back to nuetral terms.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Punch the dashdance muahaha!
Sinji
Smash Master
Iv'e been afraid of ganons fair for a while. I find it hard to approach him. what should i do? any advice?
MarsFool!
Smash Lord
I like to dd running jab. It wrecks people if you space it where just the fist sticks out. It gives plenty of time to run if it doesnt work too.
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just nair and shine a lot, unless you space your nairs badly you should be fine.
Cyrain
Smash Ace
If ganon is in the air, move away from him.
If he isn't in the air, do whatever you want.
That's the safest, IMO.
I'm confident in my tech skill and my ability to read players, so I'll often try to get under a jumping ganon and ruin his day. If you're afraid of the F-air though...Just move away. Wtf is he gonna do?
If he isn't in the air, do whatever you want.
That's the safest, IMO.
I'm confident in my tech skill and my ability to read players, so I'll often try to get under a jumping ganon and ruin his day. If you're afraid of the F-air though...Just move away. Wtf is he gonna do?
Usually, if you stay away long enough a ganon player will down and b out of deparation. As long as you're not asleep/half dead/drunk this is simple enough to react to.
So I was falcon yesterday and my friend ran under my short hop nair. Go figure.
So I was falcon yesterday and my friend ran under my short hop nair. Go figure.
MarsFool!
Smash Lord
Idk when ganon is in the air I try to already be behind him. **** his groove up when he tries to throw out an aerial.
voorhese
Smash Master
when i play ganon i dont down b except to tech chase, and when people run i waveland on platforms to try to get to them, its faster than down b by far.
voorhese
Smash Master
yup but what im saying is that wavelanding on platforms is faster than down b...nothing about fox.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
If you can keep Ganon from being in ideal Ganon range then you'll **** him.
Don't get trapped at the edge.
Don't roll into him when he's spamming defensive aerials.
Don't get trapped at the edge.
Don't roll into him when he's spamming defensive aerials.
voorhese
Smash Master
yup, and dont try to nair him where he is standing, expect a fade away fair comin out, or a wavedash back into ftilt. those are both common answers to fox's approach.
Beenpracticing alot of tehcskills and will do that more, but practiced against a friend some this weekend and realised I got shieldgrabbed too much. Sometimes it were probably a late fastfall or missed lcancel but I´m thinking about what (when done perfecly) is totally ungrabable?
Is a welltimed nair>fastfallshine ungrabable(due to landlag) or is it possible to grab between? Or is the spacing still very very important? (Thinking or frame by frame level).
Same question for nair/dair>spotdodge! I´m thinking multishines is totally ungrabable on shield and I guess I´m right at that one =)
Is a welltimed nair>fastfallshine ungrabable(due to landlag) or is it possible to grab between? Or is the spacing still very very important? (Thinking or frame by frame level).
Same question for nair/dair>spotdodge! I´m thinking multishines is totally ungrabable on shield and I guess I´m right at that one =)
There are small windows, depending on the timings of your moves, where you can be grabbed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w6uV1241wo&feature=related
You should try to push the speed of your movement to the max. The game operates at 60 frames a second - you don't need to KNOW the details, but you SHOULD have a good feel for moving at the maximum speed allowable.
Also, don't rely entirely on training your muscle memory BECAUSE!! This game is highly variable. Once you get a grasp of really fast falling through your move and nailing l cancel (the input as well as acting on the first possible frame after the lag is over) you should really try to surprise yourself by how fast you can move.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w6uV1241wo&feature=related
You should try to push the speed of your movement to the max. The game operates at 60 frames a second - you don't need to KNOW the details, but you SHOULD have a good feel for moving at the maximum speed allowable.
Also, don't rely entirely on training your muscle memory BECAUSE!! This game is highly variable. Once you get a grasp of really fast falling through your move and nailing l cancel (the input as well as acting on the first possible frame after the lag is over) you should really try to surprise yourself by how fast you can move.
Yea, but I need to know if I should try pushing a certain limit (speed in certain kind of pressure, in this case, nair>shines) or if it´s really grabable and not effective at all even due to getting closer to the max speed. It´s better for me focusing on something not grabable in this case.
I can refer to players extreemly technical/fast, but that still looses and not wins tournament due to these small exploits against them.
Also being aware of a risk can make that risk an actual gain with the use of mindgames.
I can refer to players extreemly technical/fast, but that still looses and not wins tournament due to these small exploits against them.
Also being aware of a risk can make that risk an actual gain with the use of mindgames.
voorhese
Smash Master
spacing cant be grabbed, not even late nair shines are perfect. i would watch pp and mango they do a lot of "dash dance" shield pressure, or spacing aerials to diminish shields so they can hit their heads/feet.