Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[buddy]

jman

i was looking for videos of fox vs. ganon to learn the matchup better.
i found you embarrassing someone in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgYvjTTilww
how you do that?!?

i feel like i should be able to mess up ganon in this matchup, but i keep getting rocked by goram fair cause of it's range, if i try to get close he jabs me in the face.
i also get hit by double dairs, where he hits me when i'm on the ground, then jumps up and hits me as i bounce - any easy way outta that? (there probably is, i'm pretty noob).
and please, if there is an obvious answer, don't assume i know it. i ain't no pro.

 

[Palpi]

BLUE FOX IS THE SEXIEST!!!

caps

 

[(*Jman*)]

wow i really dont remember doin that lol

but yea vs ganon u have to space really good know when to come in.. no ganon gonna be very aggro nots ganon game.. so no the space of your dash cause it goes like have the stage lol and u will be able to get in his face a lot of the time

 

[(*Jman*)]

im thinking green and red but i been on red for like 3 years so i thinking of going green now

 

[KirbyKaze]

I like green the most.

edit: I swear I've seen you use green in the past.

 

[Palpi]

Green is soo ****ing gay!

 

[Cactuar]

Lol. Ah yes Jesus. Like teacher... like student...

Embrace the green. It will treat you well.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

jman, what would you say are some crucial things to have on your mind at all times vs. falco?

 

[(*Jman*)]

yea man those red boots look real cute lol

i no what i will do green is reg jesus red is super saiyan jesus LMAO

 

[Lovage]

@the more technical foxes

What did you practice specifically to get your improve your tech skill / speed with fox, when you practicing alone, not against a human opponent.

practicing against cpu's is pretty important for learning fox. just play against lv1 foxs or falcons or peaches and practice combos and practice moving around the stage really fast. something i like to do is when the cpu respawns i like to shield pressure their invincible body with nair shines at varying timings/spacings

 

[Palpi]

practicing against cpu's is pretty important for learning fox. just play against lv1 foxs or falcons or peaches and practice combos and practice moving around the stage really fast. something i like to do is when the cpu respawns i like to shield pressure their invincible body with nair shines at varying timings/spacings

I do the invincible thing too!

I am just joking though..green is okay.

 

[KirbyKaze]

waveshine f-smash is really easy on sheik/peach for me

but i can't for the life of me get it on ganon/falcon/link




oh yeah you should practice your shffls on cpus and on thin air because the timings are different for each

and remember that staling your move affects the hitlag so you need to alternate so you practice fresh ones and staled ones

fox has a million teensy timing things that eventually become instinctual but learning them is a ***** hahaha



for drills, a good thing to do is to practice tapping the L/r/z trigger/button/whatever quickly and releasing quickly so if they SDI or a body contortion saves them, you don't inadvertantly shield. learning the earliest point you can hit L/r/z to make l-cancel will save you grief vs people that SDI and characters like samoose/bowser that have really weird body contortion habits when they get hit (they like pull back; obviously this matters less if you're inside them [lol homo] but that's not always an option).

and it will make you swim in candy.

 

[Divinokage]

jman

i was looking for videos of fox vs. ganon to learn the matchup better.
i found you embarrassing someone in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgYvjTTilww
how you do that?!?

i feel like i should be able to mess up ganon in this matchup, but i keep getting rocked by goram fair cause of it's range, if i try to get close he jabs me in the face.
i also get hit by double dairs, where he hits me when i'm on the ground, then jumps up and hits me as i bounce - any easy way outta that? (there probably is, i'm pretty noob).
and please, if there is an obvious answer, don't assume i know it. i ain't no pro.

You can wait for the fair and then punish, Ganon has a lot of laggy moves.. you can hit him pretty easily in between, before or after one move.. just have to be smart about it. Bait!!

KK, because it doesn't work on Ganon with proper SDI.

 

[(*Jman*)]

where did u come from cactus lol your everywhere LOL

vs falco man this match up really depeads on how im playing that day...the only falco that beats me a lot is mango.. i think its like 3-2 with peepee im over chops,zu,and the other falcos..

but anyways like i said it really depends on how your playing cause vs falco its like u have to stay on him no mistakes.. but him on the other hand is like CC combo down air combo blah blah blah...

but i would say a good way to think vs falco is to keep your confidence up dont let his 0-80% combos mes with your head

 

[KirbyKaze]

training mode ganon doesn't sdi kage

 

[Lovage]

but i would say a good way to think vs falco is to keep your confidence up dont let his 0-80% combos mes with your head

yea that helps a loot lol. cuz this matchup all he has to do is wait for you to mess up spacing one time and CC shine into a huge combo.

keep your cool and DI as best as you can and **** him as soon as you get out

 

[KAOSTAR]

Let em kno KK haha.

@the more technical foxes

What did you practice specifically to get your improve your tech skill / speed with fox, when you practicing alone, not against a human opponent.

For whoever asked about practicing tech skill with fox. I cannot stress how important it is to practice simply moving lol. PPl over look things like that and it causes them to make mistakes.

You should be able to consistently dash after every aerial and WD, whether u land on a platform, ground, from a FH, SH, wallk/runoff. It goes withoutsaying practice L canceling with random aerials while landing on different heights. Dont forget to practice shining after those aerials, it can be the difference between getting away and getting shield grabbed. Also Practice changing the timing on when u FF, and when u aerial. U just need to be able to make it happen.

LEarn to stay in your dash dance as long as possible, learn when u arent in your dash dance and how to get back in it without breaking your flow of movement....dash canceling, WDing, loose dashes(flick the stick vs holding it)

If you find yourself doing that stupid turnaround thing when u are trying to dash....means its back to the lab 4 you.

I also heavily recommend spending time getting comfortable with platforms. PRactice shffl on them(dont forget to learn to shine without falling thru), practice dropping thru them and making sure you can hit those L cancels.

When u got all that down pretty good, then work on shield stopping, WD oos, wavelanding, shield dropping. Practice shining after aerials from all the positions above.

learn to jc upsmash/grab out of DD and run.

learn to waveshine after aerials, learn to waveshine falcons across FD(try marth for a challenge)

Just keep doing it faster and faster. You want to gain as much control over your character as possible....dont think of it as tech skill practice, just think of it as learning to control your fox. The more control u have the more creative u can be.

Practice vs air, and practice on cpus....either use level 4s because they have stronger DI and u will get a few more hits in b4 they die. Practice on multiple stages vs different characters.

U can also, do the name glitch trick to play alone, or put it on teams and have u and the cpu be on the same team...turn team attack on and just go ape **** on him, he will never attack you or even move. Another decent way is to use handicap level 9 on a cpu and u at 1. set damage ratio to .5. Then aerial shine like crazy.

If u have AR there are other ways to practice in which I actually prefer

^all of this will get u a bangin fox assuming u learn how to apply them in matchups.

After that you can spend some time

ledgedashing
learning to JC shine with and without shield
dash cancel jabs and uptilts
learning the timing for turning around in your shines and jumping out of them. aka shine turn around aerials and such
Pivots
double shines and beyond


Just keep building off of what u already kno. With fox it just keeps on stacking. PP picked the wrong characters. The better you are at practicing the more fun it becomes, the faster you learn.

Sorry its crazy jumbled and **** but I just was throwing ideas around off top and im sleep deprived lol(bad post johns)

hope that helps tho

 

[(*Jman*)]

yep yep yep

 

[unknown522]

but if both players r playing like m2k it gets kinda boring

haha, I like this part.

Also, it's so true. That's why I love playing dittos with Raynex. He's bad at playing gay, but he's good at what he does; so it's always fun

 

[Sinji]

Lol. Ah yes Jesus. Like teacher... like student...

Embrace the green. It will treat you well.

I agree. Green fox will treat you well.

Green fox represents Jamaica

Green Jacket-Flag
Yellow Undershirt- Flag
Black Pants- Flag
Redboots- Coat of Arms

 

[~Twitch~]

Lol. Ah yes Jesus. Like teacher... like student...

Embrace the green. It will treat you well.

catcus knows what's up.

 

[Ocean]

green fox is the only fox.

 

[unknown522]

I agree. Green fox will treat you well.

Green fox represents Jamaica

Green Jacket-Flag
Yellow Undershirt- Flag
Black Pants- Flag
Redboots- Coat of Arms

Jamaica all day

 

[(*Jman*)]

i like green cause of the red boots \


but i like red cause of the red jacket lol

im so confused >_<

 

[(*Jman*)]

I think the jman tag gives your shines double knock back or something lol.

jman vs falcomist was tight. jesus is such a bully.

i did not even see this LMFAO im gonna sig the first part

and im no bully im a teddy bear =)

 

[omgwtfToph]

i like green cause of the red boots \


but i like red cause of the red jacket lol

this a MILLION times omfg

i like the yellow scarf on the green fox too

 

[Kanelol]

wait are we talking about embracing the green as in blowing trees

or the actual green fox

because green fox is the best

but blowing trees is better

 

[Tomacawk]

I think falcon players, traditionally, are much more likely to be stoners
step it up fox boards

 

[(*Jman*)]

lol, u guys r crazy every fox main that i no but like eggm smokes trees

 

[KirbyKaze]

unknown and raynex don't

 

[Brookman]

I bet kage gets enough tree for both of em

 

[PK Webb]

I've never smoked b4

 

[(*Jman*)]

lol u guys just made me look dumb

but anyway so i still in the mood to answer questions about fox so ask away people

 

[leffen]

How do you correctly camp peach ? I've seen a lot of foxes try but they all just fail.

 

[(*Jman*)]

lshe is so so so eazy to camp u can just run around her all day lol

but anyway platfroms help a lot on must stages she cant reach the top without using her slow *** second jump

so its like lasers platfroms run repeat then they get mad then u can mix it up and **** her **** up they wont no whats coming

 

[Palpi]

How useful are the dair->utilt combos? I get them on some people, but I don't play top level players so I am not sure how they would react to them.

 

[Ocean]

I believe you can DI out of the dair too easily for it to be reliable.

 

[Palpi]

Which way do people usually DI the dair...just away? because I use it as a mix up of approach and lots of times people don't see a SHFF dair, but hm

 

[Wenbobular]

Late fastfall Dair is pretty hard to DI out of isn't it
That said if you aren't fast enough with the Utilt they can ASDI it down
Or maybe they can do that even if it combos
I'd just drill grab haha

 

[(*Jman*)]

yea i use to have fun with that but never really used it when it matter in tourney

but i think if u get the perfect dair it works not to sure on the frame data

but i would say dair grab dair shine would be better but that just me