Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[ChaosNoobSlayer]

Im pretty much gonna second fox now. Ive been playing him alot recently and I seem to have some success against my friends.

Can somebody explain to me how I would go about waveshining marth. I see alot of foxes do it but I can never seem to get it right

Edit:I mean something like waveshine him across FD.

 

[THeDarKnesS]

I don't know what other foxes you are referring to, but I've never seen a Marth get waveshined across Final Destination...or any stage for that matter.

Marth slides quite far compared to the rest of the cast when he is shined.

 

[JPOBS]

its doable.

you have to have some combination of perfect wavedashes/running momentum/walk/run after shine to link them.

its not that much harder than waveshining other chars, but for the extra effort its not that good.

 

[Lovage]

but for the extra effort its not that good.

yea pretty much

all it takes is a weird DI or a slightly imperfect wavedash and you're probably gonna get grabbed, when you coulda just safely grabbed him

 

[FoxLisk]

think it requires perfect wavedash-> dash -> jc shine, which is just stupid.

if you're referring to shine -> wd -> sh dair -> shine -> repeat

that a) is easily SDI'able and b) is hard. just grab or something.

 

[omgwtfToph]

Yeah like, the fox vs marth matchup especially on fd is ridiculously grab-centric so you might as well get grabs out of your shines as often as possible, unless you want to go for some kind of combo after the shine. grab is easier though

 

[Silent Wolf]

think it requires perfect wavedash-> dash -> jc shine, which is just stupid.

if you're referring to shine -> wd -> sh dair -> shine -> repeat

that a) is easily SDI'able and b) is hard. just grab or something.

it doesnt require that. just near perfect wd walk a tiny bit. no dash momentum. if they smash DI youll need dash momentum. you might be able to reach them if they smash di without dash momentum though. you can reach samus if she they smash Di w/out dashing

 

[PK Webb]

wth y is this a issue just grab him....waveshining a marth isnt rilly needed or that useful and the reward is nowhere near equal to the risk of gettin up thrown....just drill grab up throww up air....u want fancy up throw shine reverse nair or bair........thats sum shiz right there

 

[unknown522]

lmao sion is going to kill all of you so bad. it's going to be so ridiculously unfair that all of EC is going to quit smash and suck sion's 3 foot filipino ****

edit: in that order

I hope that he does well. Out of the canadians, I think he could beat me and (maybe) Raynex. Because falco is amazing. I know KK has beaten him already, both in tourney and MMs. I think IB would win because of marth.

Oh, and he'd probably beat kage, but we'll see.

its doable.

you have to have some combination of perfect wavedashes/running momentum/walk/run after shine to link them.

its not that much harder than waveshining other chars, but for the extra effort its not that good.

yea pretty much

all it takes is a weird DI or a slightly imperfect wavedash and you're probably gonna get grabbed, when you coulda just safely grabbed him

think it requires perfect wavedash-> dash -> jc shine, which is just stupid.

if you're referring to shine -> wd -> sh dair -> shine -> repeat

that a) is easily SDI'able and b) is hard. just grab or something.

Yeah like, the fox vs marth matchup especially on fd is ridiculously grab-centric so you might as well get grabs out of your shines as often as possible, unless you want to go for some kind of combo after the shine. grab is easier though

yeah, pretty much

 

[omgwtfToph]

yeah... in all honesty sion will probably choke, like otto said. but i think he could cause an upset or two ^__^

edit: Btw, whatever happened to Bam? does he still play? i remember him being touted as the best canadian in like, 08-09. and what about vwins? i know those guys reached GFs at RoM2 teams too :]

 

[unknown522]

Vwins, PKM, and Kage were supposed to come to toronto last weekend to play with us, but they flopped.

Bam usually has work, so I haven't seen him for a while, until he came to Pound 4. Vwins also went, but all the guys from Quebec didn't make it out of pools (except Kage).

Also, I dunno if they're gonna go to Rom 3. I'll ask them, because I'm curious now.

 

[KirbyKaze]

they live in a cave on the moon so it's difficult for them to travel

 

[Silent Wolf]

why dont i have any icons for my groups and stuff. well fox thread?!

 

[Kanelol]

Unmod

that seems like a normal thing

 

[Silent Wolf]

whatchu tryna say?

 

[TheDekuNut]

i'm seeing a lot of different icons lately i didn't know you could get Pokemon master and now a see more unmods

 

[THeDarKnesS]

why dont i have any icons for my groups and stuff. well fox thread?!

There aren't any postbits for them.

 

[mastermoo420]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRXSQzrYbE
LOL WTF? This guy has such a ridiculous Fox style. Is d-throw tech-chase on Jiggz legit?

 

[FoxLisk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRXSQzrYbE
LOL WTF? This guy has such a ridiculous Fox style. Is d-throw tech-chase on Jiggz legit?

yess! i think druggedfox is my new favourite fox. he went for bthrow -> techchase!

and yeah i think dthrow tech chase is legit... it feels legit when i've tried it, at least, might not be perfect.

 

[KirbyKaze]

The issue with D-throw is that Puff can go offstage with just DI away from pretty far and then you don't get a follow.

I guess you can argue that grinding damage vs their into-stage roll/stand/shine reset and eventually forcing them to roll to the edge --> U-smash (go reaction time ****) is better than hitting an U-throw Uair/Bair though.

 

[omgwtfToph]

dthrow techchase works but I think you have to predict the tech direction

know what else is good? uthrow uair >_>

 

[Jim Morrison]

Down-throw is fun near the ledge.

 

[omgwtfToph]

mm i can see dthrow techchase being pretty viable if you only do it occasionally and mix it up with uthrow uair though

anyway, I think cactuar did it a lot in his matches with HMW at RoM2

 

[Jim Morrison]

If you can follow up the up-air on your opponent, don't use Down-throw man.
If you can't, just try down-throw and see how they react.
That's what I do, but what do I know :|.

 

[mastermoo420]

Question about Fox players and not the character: how many people actually main Fox nowadays in the higher levels that we/I can go and look for videos? I mean, there are a lot of people who have a pocket Fox, but how many people really main Fox? I feel like either there aren't as many as one would expect or they just don't get as much spotlight as, like, Mango/Hbox/M2K/etc.

 

[KAOSTAR]

mm i can see dthrow techchase being pretty viable if you only do it occasionally and mix it up with uthrow uair though

anyway, I think cactuar did it a lot in his matches with HMW at RoM2

The second I started reading this I thought somebody upset you and u were calling them out for a MM lol.

good times.

------
you remember that upthrow landing uair tech chase thing, did you ever get anywhere or come to a conclusion about its effectiveness.

 

[PK Webb]

jman, lucky, eggm, lovage, silent wolf

 

[KAOSTAR]

Eggz, raynex, unknown, colbol, lunin, toph, sfat, replicate, m2k

not all pros, but worth watching as well for learning purposes. Watching players closer to your level or higher mid level players are good too because at top level u may not understand their thinking as well, alot more is internalized in the exec offices of fox play.

 

[RaynEX]

I hope that he does well. Out of the canadians, I think he could beat me and (maybe) Raynex. Because falco is amazing. I know KK has beaten him already, both in tourney and MMs. I think IB would win because of marth.

Oh, and he'd probably beat kage, but we'll see.

People severely underrate EC Canada. *shrug*

Toph: Quebec (Bam, Vwins, PKM, Kage) still play every now and then. They don't travel to events, but they love doubles - so they just meet up and go at it every few weeks. Even when they came out to US events it was like that. They barely ever practice singles. They LOVE doubles over there.

 

[Brookman]

uhg.

always write your posts in notepad.**

 

[unknown522]

Eggz, raynex, unknown, colbol, lunin, toph, sfat, replicate, m2k

not all pros, but worth watching as well for learning purposes. Watching players closer to your level or higher mid level players are good too because at top level u may not understand their thinking as well, alot more is internalized in the exec offices of fox play.

I'm surprised that I got listed.

I feel special.

People severely underrate EC Canada. *shrug*

Toph: Quebec (Bam, Vwins, PKM, Kage) still play every now and then. They don't travel to events, but they love doubles - so they just meet up and go at it every few weeks. Even when they came out to US events it was like that. They barely ever practice singles. They LOVE doubles over there.

No. U underesstimate EC Canada =P

Also, you free tuesday around 2pm?

 

[PB&J]

fox icys is won of the best teams..all i want to say

 

[FluxWolf]

thats not how you spell one...

 

[TemPesT-]

^grammar nazi

 

[Tomacawk]

KYLE
are you coming to HDR? if no, **** you, and why?
if yes, see you there bromo <3

 

[omgwtfToph]

^grammar nazi

spelling has nothing to do with grammar. "spelling nazi" if anything.

 

[mers]

thats like meta-correction right there.

 

[KirbyKaze]

so i've decided u-smash is a pretty good move

 

[ZoSo]

pls explain

 

[Eggz]

my ***** toph gettin namedropped by kline good **** lil *****

this might misleadingly imply that I was namesearching toph and not eggz

dont be mistaken, thats just silly