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I only play IaMP, SWR has no competitive value whatsoever.
What SWR community, they don't exits.I only play IaMP, SWR has no competitive value whatsoever.
Aya is broken, lol. And yes, literally broken. Though even the SWR community doesn't ban her.
Edit: Also, I play the Shmups, too.
I dunno, this whole point of view has me thinking pretty hard for a smartass rebuttal. If THIS is what pro-ban is after, then I suppose banning MK could potentially produce a better game.
Let me rephrase: The few competitive SWR players don't ban Aya.
even cf agrees with this statement <3
Not really...
True. There is really no reason not to play MK if you want to win.
Then I would support her banning as well, TBH. But I won't go on that route because I know nothing about the game.
Player X beat Player Y. Therefore, player X's char is better.
It's better. It also means that chars completely destroyed by MK get a chance.
eh i dont know as much about Aya. I play marisa and patchouli.Let me rephrase: The few competitive SWR players don't ban Aya.
But even if there was a community they wouldn't be whiny *****es and ban Aya.
Wrong.
I've directed him to a place having all of the games.
She just can do about everything perfectly. lol
Falco gives him problems too <_<. He locks down Fox's movment pretty well, and platform stages (which are the majority) limit Fox's chainthrow on him. Very even matchup, but often said to tip in Falco's favor on platform stages
Umm...remember that we're eliminiating human reaction time? Fox just won't shine if it's a projectile. All projectiles have more than 1 frame of startup, so Fox can just wait to see what it is and powershield it instead (which has 0 frames of shieldstun. Projectiles act differently than melee attacks)
Taking it in context with the game, most aerial moves leave the character's hurtbox more exposed than before (very few character's have moves disjointed enough to not get hit by a frame perfect shine <_<).
Yep. But don't worry, Marth can hit him (it's been done time and time again, to even the most technical Foxes), because the Fox PLAYER is unfortunately human and thus is restricted by his own reaction time (which is very slow in comparison to how fast Fox can act).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5AkW5gD-CE
RANGE has nothing to do with it. It's disjointedness. Fox could shine striaght through Sheiks bair because she extends her leg (which counts as a hurtbox). Few attacks are DISJOINTED enough to stop this (most of them being ground moves, which are typically unsafe on a powershield).
He's not shining here <_<. He only shines if the opponent is within range. If the opponent will not be in shine range when their attack comes out (which is predetermined by the amount of disjointedness of the attack), then he will simply dash away during the startup lag, or powershield if he doesn't have time to do that (and dash->punish out of his powershield. In melee when you powershield a melee attack, you are no longer considered "shielding" after it. Most people hold shield and thus put their shield back up, but you CAN attack or move DIRECTLY out of a powershield on a melee attack).
Frame perfect Fox with Frame perfect reaction time IS untouchable, because he can counter every action in the game after seeing it (there are only 3 one frame attacks, and one of them doesn't have enough range to matter <_<)
I was saying that ignoring human limitations make Fox LITTERALLY untouchable. My entire post was just me theorycrafting how a "perfect" Fox would play.
Every character that gets destroyed by MK loses to Marth/Snake/Wario/Falco/D3 as well; possibly worse. There's no difference.
Think of it this way: If MK were easier to beat, would people still want him banned?
So a normal saturday for you guys, right?
That has nothing to do with what you said earlier. Every sane person knows that Meta Knight is, without a doubt, beatable.
Check my sig.
Sure thing.
I would have to disagree.
indeed that that is why we'll use the example of Marth with his massive range. As such he would be able to avoid the issue concerning the shine where as other character would well, eat a ****.
This, theory crafting is entertaining.And I was just having fun theory crafting Shadowlink, I wasn't talking about anything actually practical in matches
I thouht we were still assuming the whole perfect frame data XD. Hence my statement, i know full well Fox is still a character thtat can be struck,
Not what I was referring to. I meant vs matches.
My error, I implied disjointed hence my example of Ness vs a character like Marth.
At least Marth doesnt have to worry about the **** other characters would eceive.Unless they're Marth <_<. But Marth's attacks are too slow to deal with a robot Fox
Wasnt it rest?
I say we get an AR and just do it. Would be easier
Correct which is what I said looong ago in this topic.
It has everything to do with it. Banning MK means that he's over-centralizing the game, compelling others to use MK for bad matchups, use MK to beat MK, and consequently, become overplayed/dominate tournaments.
Usually the people who play melee don't like brawl's lack of combos, wave dashing, l-canceling and so on. Not really because of Meta Knight.
The chaingrab is only potent on 2 out of the 6 neutrals though (dreamland and FD). And Falco's lasers do indeed lock down Fox's movement. They force him into making a lot of jumps and Fox has no means to challenge Falco's uptilt in the air (or even a well placed bair)
Well, powershield->dashforward->pivot shine would still wreck Marth.
That is true. Fox would still ultimately be a guessing game though (since shine is 1 frame and thus can't be powershielded on reaction). He'd run up into shine range and you'd have to guess what frame he shines on to powershield it. If you shield early Fox covers all of you options with frame perfect multishines and frame perfect wavedashing to cover rolls/spotdodges/and all OoS attacks. If you shield late, you get hit. So the situation still heavily favors Fox, but you do have a possibility of powershielding the shine (and winning the match with your counter attack if your character has an infinite stall)
Yep, except for the 3 attacks that come out in 1 frame. The two shines and rest!
Indeed
I went on a little tangent where I used real battle scenerios. My bad
That WOULD be fun to watch
Yeah I understood what you meant. I just wanted to emphasize that few characters can pull that off.
He'd just get powershield ***** and not shine ***** <_<
Yep
Admittedly, powershielding does seem to be the superior option. The only catch is that you still suffer shield stun when powershielding melee attacks in melee (so against something like Peach's floatcancel fair, you'd still be at a frame disadvantage). In which case pivoting into an attack, or dash dancing into a shine would probably be better options.
lol, but it would take FOREVER
YAY. Logic
I agree (and I also don't know enough about the current brawl metagame to make intelligent discussion about it).
Of course no good MK approaches with drill rush, because it's not a viable option. Therefore, it's further evidence that MK isn't broken!
He said "come back". Usually the people who have quit brawl have gone to melee, not just dropped smash forever. That's just what I thought he meant...
I've never heard of any of the competitive players quitting solely because of Meta Knight.
