These results have a decent decline from other large tournaments such as hobo11 and CoT4 in the past, yet people are saying that MK's tournament results will only grow. They've shrunk. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that his tournament placings will get better.[/quote
Decent? How so? Is he showing a drastic decrease? Hardly, because there hasn't been much of a change in terms of dominance. Metaknight is still averaging over 20% of tournaments and still places extremely well where he outplaces everyone else including Snake.
First of all, what exactly is an even match-up?
5-5
Even matchup
a.k.a ditto.
Rare in other matchups.
If you're really on-paper-picky, then even match-ups don't exist except for ditto matches (but even then, port priority).
port priority does not matter much in most cases.
But realistically, an even match-up is just a match-up where it's very close, and the more skilled player will generally win. And the top players are pretty close in skill.
Correct?
To say that MK has no even or close enough to even match-ups is hard, given the evidence. Ally, a Snake main, has gone back and forth with M2K, an MK main, as well as beating other top MKs. Lain, an Ice Climbers main, beat Dojo and M2K, both MK mains, at Apex. ADHD, a Diddy main, has beaten Dojo in an MM at Apex and come very close to beating both M2K and Tyrant in previous sets.
K now lets look at all the other times those players have lost to those other MK players.
How about how wyatt lost to tyrant's MK.
Or how Ally has lost to M2k's MK?
HOw about the fact they are HUMAN and make mistakes.
M2k getting spiked by Snake's laggy *** Fair?
If MK had a clear advantage on every one of his match-ups, why would things like this be happening?
Cause they are human and prone to mistakes, mindgames. sickness, etc etc.
If you want to argue the match-up specifics of why I think that he has even MUs like Snake, ICs. and Diddy, then go ahead and challenge me, because I don't feel like writing out long match-up summaries. I will say this though; Diddy Kong especially has only improved in this match-up since it's been explored, and he has a lot of known technical room to grow, such as single banana locking and working out the kinks of mid-ranged zoning, room to grow in the match-up that MK doesn't have. These match-ups are looking worse for MK as time goes on.
Go ahead and challenge you even though you wont defend your points enough?
-_-
forget that idea
Second: Planking and aircamping have been known for ages, The infamous Plank vs. SK92 match where Plank...well...planked and played very campy was a match from September of last year. It's late July now. Everybody knows about the match, everybody knows about planking and air-camping, INCLUDING MK mains. If they wanted to have planked every match to net a win by now, they'd do it.
K and your point is?
But not only do many people choose not to play like that because it's boring and not fun for them (M2K being a good example of this), many don't do it much even if they could because they aren't horribly broken. A good chunk of the cast has a very safe answer to planking, and EVERYONE can get past planking and air-camping by simply approaching. Is it safe? Not always. Do we know the specifics of what each character can do against planking and air-camping? No. So should people stop saying, "LOL IT'S BROKED BAN EET" and actually try to find out how good or bad it is before they say it's bannable? Yes.
No they don't. Why?
Sweetspotting.
Did you honestly forget that the MK is in control of their movement?
Many characters can do allt hey want to fight planking but mos areill equipped to do so or stip it.
The argument of, it hasn't happened, therefore it is not ban worthy is a TERRIBLE argument.
If I have a character who can OHKO you just by pressing A, does that mean we should wait to experience it before we ban it? NO.
Same with IDC.
Same with wall infinites. None of them ever were used to dominate tournaments but were banned in one manner or another.
People have been saying that since November.
It's late July now.
Hey, guess what, competitive Brawl still exists! And look, all of the signs, such as his match-ups and tournament placings, show that his lead on the cast that he once held is now, in fact, slipping! There's no evidence to suggest that the meta-game will deteriorate, especially since people have been saying that for over half a year and the situations only gotten better!
ummm, the metagame will die? Since when?
It would only be a metagame that revolves around MK.
a.k.a over centralization.
There is no logical reason to ban MK at this point. While the scare back in November or whatever was understandable, the situation's gotten better, and pro-ban is using the exact same argument. If competitive Brawl would have died, it would have happened by now. There is no evidence to suggest that MK will have some broken new tech, or MK will dominate results in the future. Even if there was, you don't ban things pre-emptively because you theory-craft that they MIGHT be bad. You ban them when they're a problem.
K. by that logic, we should allow a super broken character to exist simply cause he hasnt ***** the hell out of tournaments.
Saying that we should wait for it to be a problem is terrible as an argument.
We only wait in the event that it is controversial, o very difficult to discern if ban worthy or not.
Not, wait for it to be a problem.
We did not wait for Akuma.
This argument you used is poor.
K devil's advocate is done. I hope i did decently.
