Fourth and final community vote about Meta Knight.

[Saltix]

They say this is the 4th vote, I wasn't even clued in on the first 3 o.o

This one will be the final determining factor for MK's ban or not?
When will we have the verdict?

 

[bobson]

So like, you can air camp to EDC to air camp again. That sounds like fun, i wanna try that.

Brawl is just brimming with possibility, isn't it?

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

They say this is the 4th vote, I wasn't even clued in on the first 3 o.o

This one will be the final determining factor for MK's ban or not?
When will we have the verdict?

8-7-09 will be the end of the voting.

 

[OFY]

IDC is stalling because you become infinitely invisible and invincible on any stage.

EDC technically isn't infinitely using the DC, so you're not stalling, but rather using it to gain wutever safe advantage you want.

So like, you can air camp to EDC to air camp again. That sounds like fun, i wanna try that.

Orlly?

If MK isn't banned, I'm going to use EDC sooo much. It's going to be fun I swear.

 

[:mad:]

This poll will close on 08-07-2009 at 05:49 PM

If you had read the OP or looked above the results...

 

[MALCORE]

i honestly think that the SBR won't do anything if pro-ban wins the vote.

 

[Espy Rose]

i honestly think that the SBR won't do anything if pro-ban wins the vote.

When the pro-ban has to win by 2/3 of the majority vote, it's easy to assume that nothing's going to change.

The community is almost completely split on the issue, so this vote will do nothing.

 

[IxxI]

i honestly think that the SBR won't do anything if pro-ban wins the vote.

Did you not read the OP?!

 

[Uffe]

From the way things are looking, Metaknight isn't going to be banned.

What are you talking about? I must be missing something.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Brawl is just brimming with possibility, isn't it?

Which is exactly why this is an issue in the first place, unfortunately... >_<;

 

[Sosuke]

If EDC doesn't get banned soon, idk what to say. Wow.

"Hey I'm robbing this bank but not taking all the money".

 

[IxxI]

Erm, my post says it all.

 

[MarKO X]

Orlly?

If MK isn't banned, I'm going to use EDC sooo much. It's going to be fun I swear.

might as well start practicing it now, cause at this rate, MK isn't getting banned due to a lack of clear cut evidence and the fact that MK isn't really that big of a problem in terms of being broken.

better watch out though, because people will start to hate you, from players who are getting mind****ed by it, to TOs who are gonna try and call the EDC the IDC.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

i honestly think that the SBR won't do anything if pro-ban wins the vote.

I don't have much knowledge of who's even part of SBR-B. My opinion with this voting thing always varies. If pro-ban DID win (doubt) you may be right. Meta Knight without IDC, planking, and air camping is tolerable. With those, he's not.

 

[Uffe]

Erm, my post says it all.

If your post says it all, then why would I ask? Clarify, please.

 

[:mad:]

What are you talking about? I must be missing something.

Uffe, this poll isn't what decides whether or not MK gets banned. The SBR's votes do. This poll counts for 10%. Pro-ban needs 2/3 of the votes, iirc.

 

[Remzi]

If EDC doesn't get banned soon, idk what to say. Wow.

"Hey I'm robbing this bank but not taking all the money".

Good way of putting it o_O

It can't really be banned, though.

 

[MarKO X]

If EDC doesn't get banned soon, idk what to say. Wow.

How would you ban EDC? By the distance? As measured by the human eye?
Can you really trust that? Because everytime downB gets pressed, "EDC! EDC! BAAAWWWW! DQ PLZ!"

so, at that point, you're literally banning an entire move from MK's moveset.

 

[gantrain05]

How would you ban EDC? By the distance? As measured by the human eye?
Can you really trust that? Because everytime downB gets pressed, "EDC! EDC! BAAAWWWW! DQ PLZ!"

so, at that point, you're literally banning an entire move from MK's moveset.

i don't see a problem in that.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Just one more reason why mk needs to be banned. His EDC, aircamping and planking break the game, add to that the fact that he has no bad matchups, no bad stages that are legal and he seems and IS broken. Why make even more rules to keep MK in the game? I have an idea- instead of making an arbitrary rule for banning EDC, why dont we ban mk?

 

[Uffe]

Uffe, this poll isn't what decides whether or not MK gets banned. The SBR's votes do. This poll counts for 10%. Pro-ban needs 2/3 of the votes, iirc.

Okay, I get it now. But what I don't get is why they'd need 2/3 of the votes when the poll itself clearly shows that most do want MK banned. The SBR should just do the voting alone.

 

[phi1ny3]

I'm a failure at being a psychic, lol.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

It's a 2/3 win in the back room, with one more point for each 2.5% over 50%.

The question is if pro-ban is going to get another one point, or two.

EDIT: I swear, my computer didn't show the last bunch of posts.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I'm a failure at being a psychic, lol.

Oh yeah...better luck next time. I'm done for today, cya tomorrow ppl.

 

[Remzi]

Just one more reason why mk needs to be banned. His EDC, aircamping and planking break the game, add to that the fact that he has no bad matchups, no bad stages that are legal and he seems and IS broken. Why make even more rules to keep MK in the game? I have an idea- instead of making an arbitrary rule for banning EDC, why dont we ban mk?

you know... that's a lovely idea =)

 

[MarKO X]

i don't see a problem in that.

you don't see a problem in that?
are you serious?
it's not banning a technique that goes with a move, such as DDD's dthrow standing CG. On the characters that you can standing CG, you can still use dthrow and you can still do the moving CG.

You are banning an entire move out of MK's moveset.

What does that lead you to believe?

 

[da K.I.D.]

Mark.

There is no "rule of CP". Counterpicking does not have to exist in a game in order for it (the game) to exist. People are implying that Metaknight breaks the counterpicking system, but anti-ban is saying that the counterpicking system is not a mandatory requirement for fighting games.

It's preferable; 90% of our population comes from Melee alone, but it isn't a requirement nor is it necessary. It's just a preference.

honest question.

Do you think a tourney with 7 stages and every match being a random neutral, would get as much of an attendance as a tourney with 15 stages and the robust counterpick system we have in effect now?

 

[gantrain05]

you don't see a problem in that?
are you serious?
it's not banning a technique that goes with a move, such as DDD's dthrow standing CG. On the characters that you can standing CG, you can still use dthrow and you can still do the moving CG.

You are banning an entire move out of MK's moveset.

What does that lead you to believe?

oh nooooooo, not dimension cape?! what the hell would MK do without it? i mean he'd be completely unviable right?!

 

[Uffe]

Could someone tell me what ECD is?

 

[phi1ny3]

Could someone tell me what ECD is?

Extended Dimensional Cape.
IDC without the infinite "stalling" part.

 

[MarKO X]

Could someone tell me what EDC is?

EDC is this here tech, used at 1:07 of this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK8UA3BJIVI

 

[ShadowLink84]

oh nooooooo, not dimension cape?! what the hell would MK do without it? i mean he'd be completely unviable right?!

Itis a move. What happens if the buffer kicks in and they hit down B? Auto dq.
Banning a move impossible, you might as well ban the character at that point.

 

[thrillagorilla]

you don't see a problem in that?
are you serious?
it's not banning a technique that goes with a move, such as DDD's dthrow standing CG. On the characters that you can standing CG, you can still use dthrow and you can still do the moving CG.

You are banning an entire move out of MK's moveset.

What does that lead you to believe?

Until its proven to be broken, it doesn't need to be banned. Besides, dair camping can be dealt with before the MK lands. Also, it is enforceable if necessary, especially in finals matches where there are always TOs watching. The distance traveled and time spent off screen are both very measurable without re-play.

 

[MarKO X]

oh nooooooo, not dimension cape?! what the hell would MK do without it? i mean he'd be completely unviable right?!

you're not understanding. it has nothing to do with him being unviable without it. It's the fact that EDC makes MK pretty broken.
If you're banning a whole move from the moveset, you're practically saying "look, this move is too good. Literally."

 

[gantrain05]

Itis a move. What happens if the buffe kicks in and the yhit down B? Auto dq.
Banning a move isimpossible, you might as well ban the character at that point.

might as well ban any form of dimension cape that has any input on the C-stick, i see no reason to keep it around. if your flicking your Cstick your DQ'd lol.

 

[Remzi]

Itis a move. What happens if the buffe kicks in and the yhit down B? Auto dq.
Banning a move isimpossible, you might as well ban the character at that point.

So many... typos haha

But yea, if you have to ban a standard move, then theres no option but to ban the character.

Even without this, he is banworthy, but with it he just flys past the line.

Until its proven to be broken, it doesn't need to be banned. Besides, dair camping can be dealt with before the MK lands. Also, it is enforceable if necessary, especially in finals matches where there are always TOs watching. The distance traveled and time spent off screen are both very measurable without re-play.

Are you joking? Ask anybody. ANYBODY. And they will tell you that a tech that allows you to instantly escape any disadvantageous situation, is broken.

Ok, in the finals it's monitorable. Now that we're past that, how bout 99% of the tourney matches that aren't monitored by TOs?

 

[thrillagorilla]

honest question.

Do you think a tourney with 7 stages and every match being a random neutral, would get as much of an attendance as a tourney with 15 stages and the robust counterpick system we have in effect now?

Its called Oregon, and yes. Most of the time its the out of state players that pick the other available stages.

 

[MarKO X]

Until its proven to be broken, it doesn't need to be banned. Besides, dair camping can be dealt with before the MK lands. Also, it is enforceable if necessary, especially in finals matches where there are always TOs watching. The distance traveled and time spent off screen are both very measurable without re-play.

|------------| <----- unbroken distance
|--------------| <--- broken distance

ok TOs. Good luck with that controversy.

 

[phi1ny3]

lol some people should vote "Yes" up to just under "66%" to make it more dramatic.
In all seriousness, whenever someone says "he's not bannable if he's winnable" remind me to not lead my make-believe game company's designing team, nobody in their right mind would make a character so obviously lopsided in advantage in a fighter unless they wanted to suck in the variety department.

 

[thrillagorilla]

|------------| <----- unbroken distance
|--------------| <--- broken distance

ok TOs. Good luck with that controversy.

I------I <---- regular time

I--------------I <---- broken time

XX:XX:XX <---- timer that shows time elapsed

Its not an issue.